About last night ...

posted by Mike Boone at 6h45 EST on Oct 26


You didn't really think the Canadiens would go 81-0-1 did you?

The team was bound to lose in regulation time eventually.

There inevitably was going to be a night when the goaltending was less than spectacular.

And there will be nights when the goalie at the other end of the ice stands on his head.

 



Guy Carbonneau saw some positives in his team's 6-4 loss to Anaheim, notably the Canadiens' 51 shots.

That was the first time they've cracked 50 since Nov. 17 of last year, when they had 52 in a 7-4 win over Boston. In that game, Michael Ryder had 13 shots and didn't score. Last night, Tomas Plekanec had 13 – including seven in the third period – and rang up a big goose egg.

The Canadiens erstwhile number one line – albeit without Andrei Kostitsyn – had 18 shots on Jean-Sebastien Giguère. And nothing to show for it beyond minus-2s all around. With the game tied 3-3, the line was on for Chris Kunitz's go-ahead goal and Travis Moen's shorthanded effort.

And after the Canadiens had scored three unanswered goals – capped by a Tom Kostopoulos crowd-pleaser – to take a 3-2 lead, Alex Kovalev took an ill-advised – and coach-critiqued _ tripping penalty. The Ducks scored on the subsequent power play, added another one two minutes thereafter and that was the ballgame.

I think the shot total was grossly misleading. Giguère, who rented a suite at the Bell Centre for family and friends last night, had a view of the game as good as theirs. The Ducks goaltender saw every shot. The most frequent sound heard last night was the thonk of another shot hitting Giguère right in his bread basket.

The Ducks' D and backchecking forwards did an efficient job of clearing rebounds and keeping the slot free of red jerseys. And as Saku Koivu noted, Anaheim excelled in transition, producing more odd-man rushes than Canadiens have seen in any game this season.

It was a different story at the other end. Of Anaheim's six goals, I can't recall a single one when the scorer had to fight off a check or make some sort of nifty move to evade coverage.

The Canadiens' defensive zone coverage was softer than a sneaker full of wet cow flop. And that's troublesome.

At no time was the faiblesse more evident than when Ryan Getzlaf, Chris Kunitz and Cory Perry were on the ice. They each scored a goal, they had nine shots among them and, most significantly, 10 hits.

Keyed by Getzlaf, who's an absolute monster, the line is huge and they take no prisoners. There isn't a line in the Eastern Conference that confronts the Canadiens with this combination of skill and physicality .

A couple of seasons ago, Michel Bergeron said the Canadiens' problem was their tough guys couldn't score and their scorers weren't tough.

Know what? It's still true. The skill guys, however, are so good that most nights their lack of a physical game doesn't matter.

And having said that, I ought to point out a couple exceptions: Andrei Kostitsyn hits, and so does rapidly-improving Guillaume Latendresse. But there's no one to compare to the Getzlaf line.

Nor was there anyone on defence who could handle them.

Getzlaf against Josh Gorges? C'mon. The refs let it go, but Human Rights Watch would have whistled the play dead.

The Canadiens were able to produce one mismatch. When Big Georges Laraque had the puck down low, there wasn't a Duck who could take it away from him.

No one on the fourth line can score, but give the muckers credit: François Gagnon points out the fourth line drew three Anaheim penalties.

Another bright spot: Christopher Higgins. In his first game of the season, Higgins had three shots, a couple hits and some good chances when he was on the PP. Higgins skated well and had a lot of energy. It's good he's back, and once AK46 returns and SK74 joins the Robert Lang line, they'll make some noise.

Did the four-day layoff hurt the Canadiens?

They started slowly. For the first time this season, an opponent opened the scoring; and Anaheim was up 2-0 faster than you could finish a beer.

Carbo had better figure out some drills to keep the boys sharp. After visiting Long Island on Nov. 1, the team is idle until they go to Columbus on the 7th. 

Carolina at the Bell Centre Tuesday night. Unless he comes down with bubonic plague, Carey Price will be in nets.

•  •  •

Carey Price took the L last night ... and didn't deserve it.

Price was the losing goaltender because  he relinquished the fifth goal in a game that ended 6-4.

Dumb rule.

It should be like baseball: the losing pitcher is the one who gives up the run that puts the opposing team in the lead for good.

That way, Jaroslav Halak – beaten when it was 3-3 by Chris Kunitz on the Ducks' 12th shot (and promptly yanked)  – would be saddled with the loss.

 

 

 


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Chris's picture
Montreal loses its first game of the season, and I see that the Carbo critics are now out in force. Yes, Montreal played a bad game. So did Anaheim. Can we move on now? Detroit layed an egg in Game 1 versus the Maple Leafs...should they also be dumping half their lineup and firing Mike Babcock? Perspective, people. As for Hamilton players coming up, please picture me rolling my eyes as much as is humanly possible. Max Pacioretty is nowhere close to being ready. He needs to be on either the first or second line. The Habs are reasonably set at the moment (Higgins, A. Kostitsyn, Kovalev, S. Kostitsyn, Latendresse, and Tanguay) at the wings. Pacioretty is not cracking the top 3 lines, so I think its a non-starter. Let him get the ice time he needs in Hamilton this season (barring injury) and see how ready he is next season. Pacioretty has played 60 USHL games and 39 NCAA Division I games. That's it. We don't even know if he's got the stamina to make it through a full season...many NCAA players hit the wall in January in February of their first season. Greg Stewart is probably a career minor-leaguer with the potential to fill in when injuries strike. He showed a little bit of flash against the Leafs last season, but his career is what it is. Here is his entire career: 2003-04 Peterborough Petes OHL 58 4 6 10 76 -- -- -- -- -- 2004-05 Peterborough Petes OHL 68 16 18 34 111 14 3 3 6 20 2005-06 Peterborough Petes OHL 60 24 15 39 83 19 1 6 7 30 2006-07 Cincinnati Cyclones ECHL 62 8 15 23 126 10 5 2 7 36 2007-08 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 69 10 7 17 137 2007-08 Montreal Canadiens NHL 1 0 0 0 5 2008-09 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 7 1 3 4 22 The kid never scored more than 24 goals in the OHL, and has 19 total goals in 139 career professional games. Kostopoulos, in his first two years in the AHL, had 42 goals in 156 games. Both Begin (24 goals in his first 125 games) and Dandenault (9 goals in his first 103 games) are much closer to Stewart in terms of production, so I'm okay if Stewart gets added to the mix with those guys. Mind you, Dandenault is very handy due to his ability to play defence in a pinch. I get accused of putting too much weight in statistics, but I always find it mind-boggling that people will overlook 5 seasons of a player's career output to instead focus on one game. As for Chipchura, I'm not sure what to do with him. Lapierre has been hustling this season and has been very good in the faceoff circle (ranked 10th in the NHL at 57.6%). I think that Chipchura is probably better defensively, but his faceoffs were an issue and I think he has much less offensive potential than Lapierre (mind you, if Lapierre would ever learn to pass the damned puck, his potential would go up by a factor of ten, at least). Chipchura is, for me, a victim of the numbers game: he's not replacing Plekanec, Koivu or Lang, and Lapierre has been playing too well to justify being replaced. The only thing that might work here is to put Chipchura on the wing with Lapierre...I would be okay with that. And I would take him before I took Stewart or Pacioretty.

Xtrahabsfan's picture
Cris, nicely written,it's just you forgot one thing about Stewart,HE'S TOUGH.Dandy and Breezer= WET NOODLES,GOOD FOR A FRIENDLY GAME OF RINGETTE ,NOT N.H.L. pro HOCKEY......

Chris's picture
There are three spots available for the likes of Laraque, Lapierre, Dandenault, Begin, Stewart and Kostopolous. I agree with you that Stewart is tough, but I also believe that Kostopoulos is tough. I think that Begin is tough. Laraque is a beast. So I think that Stewart's biggest asset is something we already have a bit of on the 4th line. For me, his skating, offensive potential and defensive awareness are not at the same level as Begin, Kostopolous or Lapierre. Dandenault, while weaker offensively, is better defensively, a fantastic skater and is a good insurance policy for the defence. Laraque already fills the role that people seem to be looking for from Stewart. I just don't see what he brings that we don't already have. As for Brisebois, I would agree that he's not the answer. I personally don't think O'Byrne is either. We need a top 4 defenceman, and I don't really see one FOR THIS YEAR (in the future, we're pretty good on the blue line if even half the prospects reach their potential) on our team or in the system. Until that point, a platoon of O'Byrne and Brisebois, depending on the opponent, is fine.

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
exactly XTRA....stats don't reveal the drive these kids have in their gut. they stand on their head when they get their shot, then Carb banishes them to destroy them for our organization. 1. The work of BGL will be key to our success this season... 2. The Bell Centre should be rebuilt to hold 80,000... 3. Kovalev is now in his prime...

Chris's picture
Small samples of one season do not reveal the drive these kids have in their gut, either. Otherwise, Gilbert Dionne would be a perennial all-star and Pierre Dagenais would be getting his number hoisted to the rafters. Given the option of looking at a small sample, I prefer to look at stats and scouting reports (for example, Greg Stewart is ranked as the 35th best prosepect in Montreal's system). I guess my issue here is that a player's drive only carries them so far. I've met some truly abysmal hockey players that have all the drive in the world. If you don't have the talent and skill-set, your chances of making the NHL are pretty long. That is where I see Stewart...good guy, hard worker, but unfortunately not particularly gifted as a NHL hockey player. I hope I'm wrong.

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
isn't the pre-season (tryouts) an opportunity to make the team? when did that change? could it be when the agent/manager quagmire took hold of hockey and made it big business, meaning Gainey has signed BREEZE/DANDY etc so we have to play them, get some product shelve life out of them, STEW/CHIP/PAX will be released at a later date...The ultimate goal is to maintain profitability, not win LORD STANLEY - obvious! because our best players in the organization are not dressed! Guy Lafleur and the ROcket had dismal first seasons, I guess we should have given up on them?...lucky for us we had leaders with VISION, BOWMAN and IRVIN knew how to see talent beyond the 'small samples' as you suggested are not enough of an evaluation.... sure, it doesn't always work, and i'm not saying a flower/rocket is hidden in our youth, but thats why the NHL provides the 9 day tryout before signing.... 1. The work of BGL will be key to our success this season... 2. The Bell Centre should be rebuilt to hold 80,000... 3. Kovalev is now in his prime...

Chris's picture
Again, the key thing is whether there are alternatives. Guillaume Latendresse made the team because we frankly had no other options...this was not his fault, but an organizational reality. He was still a great prospect, but he would have been better served to develop on one of the top two lines in the AHL, get some PP time and learn to dominate at that level before making the jump to the NHL. I believe he is a good player this year and we're going to see what he can do in the next 2-3 seasons. Today's Montreal Canadiens are a different organization. Through shrewd drafting and much better talent evaluation, the Habs have much stronger organizational depth than they did even two years ago. This means a player like Max Pacioretty does not have to be rushed and can play in an environment much more condusive to his long-term development. Greg Stewart, in my opinion, does not bring any tangible benefit over players that are already on the roster. I can agree with you regarding Brisebois. Chipchura is one where I can see the merits of the argument, but he suffers from having a skill set that, while extremely useful, is not necessarily flashy enough to convince everybody he is a "can't miss" prospect. I would be perfectly okay with throwing his hat into the 4th line mix, but I'm not sure that him playing 2 out of 3 games with 4th line minutes is as valuable for him as a player as playing heavy minutes with the Bulldogs and being put on the ice in key situations. One of the pitfalls of organizational depth is that young players don't always get to the show as quick as we or they might like. But it is also usually a sign of a good NHL team. Here's the top 11 scorers from last year's Detroit Red Wings roster and their age at the beginning of the first NHL season they played in: Datsyuk (70 games, 23 years old), Zetterberg (79, 22), Lidstrom (80, 21), Rafalski (75, 26), Cleary (6, 21), Hudler (12, 19), Holmstrom (47, 23), Samuelsson (4, 23), Franzen (80, 25), Filpulla (4, 21), Kronwall (20, 22), etc. Compare this to Chipchura (36, 21), Stewart (1, 21), D'Agostini (2, 21) and Pacioretty (19 years old, no NHL games). We're not exactly alone in holding up our young players, and it didn't seem to hurt people like Datsyuk, Zetterberg or Lidstrom, all NHLers on track for the Hall of Fame. Nor did it hurt people like Rafalski, Holmstrom, Franzen, etc. to get some extra time in the minors or other international leagues before making the jump to a solid NHL career. Patience is a virtue when dealing with NHL prospects, and I think people lose sight of this.

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
good points... 1. The work of BGL will be key to our success this season... 2. The Bell Centre should be rebuilt to hold 80,000... 3. Kovalev is now in his prime...

Les-Habitants's picture
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HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
Predictably we lost.... late to comment, but its warranted. I'm going to lay out exactly why we lost and exactly why we will continue to lose until the Laffs pass us in the standings and then MAYBE Carb will wake up, because I already see the house of cards collapsing, the season is only going to get tougher as teams refine themselves. That said, don't get me wrong, we are a stronger better team than last year and that should equate to us finishing higher and farther, and that my friends can only mean cup contention. But what can make it all fall apart? Coaching decisions which deteriorate our performance at all levels. Lets start with the Forwards: Begin/Kostop/Dandy - these forwards who 2 of the 3 are seeing regular duty including 3rd line!, that is a joke and below NHL standards, we are weaker because of it. We only need one of these guys and he should be in the pressbox, not taking a regular shift. When the hell will management wake up is beyond me, but a TYKE coach can figure that out. PAX, STEWART or CHIP can easily replace and produce NOW!. HIGGINS is an underachiever, and we were reminded of that again, he cannot score unless its hand delivered to him. Terrible and worthy of 4th line demotion. SERGIE is upset and its affecting his play, put him in the pressbox, he is emotionally effected right now. All the other forwards are doing their job. Defense? we have one massive weakness on D - BREEZE. it is utterly farcical that this individual is on the ice - every single shift he committed an error, ever single play into our zone he committed an error, his attempts at puck/player separation where laughable, and then once he fell onto his knees, he was VERY slow to get back to the front of the net and cover his man. He is totally useless and should not see another minute of icetime. He has been directly responsible for every single goal against. to think otherwise is to be content with BELOW mediocrity and failure. weak and contemptible. On a positive note, Larock has added another dimension and has proven himself invaluable. LANG, is very solid, but isn't it time he was given some REAL linemates? not Kostop?..thats a JOKE!! ...and PRICE looks to improve where he left off...but CARB may destroy that with is shuffle the deck style... at this point, I blame CARB 110%. 1. The work of BGL will be key to our success this season... 2. The Bell Centre should be rebuilt to hold 80,000... 3. Kovalev is now in his prime...

JIMVINNY's picture
You are way to grumpy to take seriously. Recognize the fact that we are 5-1-1, and come back with something a little less negative. Then I won't be forced to laugh at your obvious lack of rationality.

Kristopher7's picture
"PAX, STEWART or CHIP can easily replace and produce NOW!." /facepalm

Chorske's picture
Holy smokes, dude, I respectfully disagree with absolutely everything you say here. It's like we watched different games. Kostopoulos was one of the few guys who showed up and played his *** off for 60 minutes. He was one of the few who won battles on the boards. Kostopoulos wears his cojones on the outside and as far as I'm concerned, there's a few who could follow his lead. Pax is doing NOTHING in Hamilton. Why call him up? Brisebois was only as bad as everyone else was- I'll bet Markov had as many turnovers, including a real doozy when he fell over. And another where the puck hopped over his hand. And another HUGE turnover on a lazy cross ice offensive zone pass. Among the defense, I thought Komi played OK and Gorges and Hamrlik played very well. But to blame Brisebois for every goal against? NONSENSE. Everyone sucked Saturday. Brisebois was NOT the worst of them. And Laroque? Scuse my Hungarian but he hasn't done sh!t for the team. We got absolutely railroaded on Saturday- to wit: a hit to Plekanec's head that left him dizzy and stumbling towards the bench. Where was Laraque? Moving blockily around, getting outplayed by the faster and tougher Ducks. I have yet to see him pay any dividends whatsoever. And for the record, Price was every bit as shaky as Halak. Our dudes had an off night- I've already said that the main culprit may have been a four day layover matched against a Ducks team firing on all cylinders. We were cute when we needed to be good, and arty when we needed to be fast.

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
Maybe Kostop is the one to see the most ice time, but it should be on the 4th line, I like Kostop, he was the only HAB doing anything against Philly. But if we are putting our hopes in Kostop/Begin/Dandy/Breeze...boy there is something wrong. To me Hamilton means nothing. Pax already proved himself to make the team, why is politics holding him back? he was clearly the BEST HAB during the pre-season, so why is Carbs pets in the lineup? that is a problem. Sure Komi made mistakes, but he also drilled PARROS into the boards and broke up a 2 on 1, but Breeze brings nothing to the game, he is a wet noodle. Larock looked good behind the net or in the corners which is all you can ask, along with his policing...why are you discrediting his presence? look at it this way, if he wasn't there, we would have been dismembered. Price/Halak, I agree, but pricey is sick, and Halak was a victim of 2 fast goals thanks to the sub-tyke work of Breeze. 1. The work of BGL will be key to our success this season... 2. The Bell Centre should be rebuilt to hold 80,000... 3. Kovalev is now in his prime...

Chorske's picture
Kostopoulos IS on the fourth line- unless there's an injury or Carbo feels the need to shake things up. I'm sure that he felt like shaking things up after Anaheim went up for good in the second period. I certainly did. It's a little paranoid to blame politics for keeping Max Pac in Hamilton. He's already admitted to being completely overwhelmed by the pace in the AHL. Explain to me how being prematurely bumped up to the Show would do anything but hurt his confidence. And what policing by Laraque? If Pleks can get hit to the head and the offender get off scot free, what is the point of having him? Why in the name of Gawds green earth is BOUILLON fighting instead of Laraque? Brisebois, Brisebois, Brisebois, yak yak yak. Breeze had a bad game. So did EVERYBODY. Including, particularly, the man you mention in your tagline. Kovalev sucked. His brain fart leg out tripping penalty was a TSN turning point.Look at the scoresheet. Brisebois came out EVEN for Saturday's game. One assist. One SOG. You think Kostopoulos sucks? One goal, even. Komisarek, Kovalev? Minus one and two respectively. Markov, -2. Brisebois was NOT the worst player on the ice on Saturday, so you should get off his case.

Brisbois was the worst player saturday

Chorske's picture
Why?

BEcause the game has passed him by.He's scared to get hit to make the play.He constantly fell down,let's his man go in the D zone because he plays scared.If you watched the game closely,his failure to get the puck up constantly lead to un needed pressure in our own end.Now I'm not one to bash Brisbois(constantly)but Saturday he was pathetic

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
why is there such a lack of faith in giving a kid a shot? if we had a fraction of the faith we show in Vet 5th liners I think we'd really make that leap to give us a look at the cup. We had the faith in Price, why not Pax? you'd have to be blind to not think he made the team during pre-season, he was the best player on the ice period. He is miles ahead of Lap, he's faster, hits harder and has great hands and finish!, bloody amazing he is not in the lineup. I won't even compare him to Dandy/Kostop or Begin, there is no comparison. Now if we are waiting for his AHL #'s to prove he deserves a chance? thats wrong. To contend for the cup we need scoring beyond KOVY and KOIVU's line, we need that 3rd line to step up, and LANG with KOSTOP will not cut it. Not worried about the 4th line, its the 3rd that needs tweaking...Lang-PAX is the answer, just a matter of how long its going to take for Carb to figure it out. kovy-plek-akost/tan-koivu-Lat/PAX-lang-skost/larock-chip-lap or stewart anyway, thats my opinion, we are better than last year, and I believe in CHIP, STEWART and PAX....so we've got GREAT TALENT on the edge...in time there will be no choice but to insert them. 1. The work of BGL will be key to our success this season... 2. The Bell Centre should be rebuilt to hold 80,000... 3. Kovalev is now in his prime...

In your infinite wisdom you forgot Higgins.You know,the guy that scored 27 goals last year.Chips lost his job to Lapierre.Stewart had 1 game against a crappy leaf team(where he had tons of chances and didn't score)and fought tough guy Macabe to a draw.Yaaah.And Pax can't crack our top 3 lines.Period.Whose spot does he take.

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
I lay'd out the lineup as I think it should be, just my opinion. but tell me, was Stewarts one game just a normal first game for a rookie? aren't rookies first games to be nothing to write home about? lost forever, a 5-7 minute game with nothing notable, well that wasn't the case. and Pax during the pre-season was a superstar, lets just tell it like it is. He was our best forward, simple. But you know it reminds me of going into the post-season last year, all of a sudden we have all the old dogs in the lineup, Breeze and Dandy, and Obryne/Chip are in the hotdog stand, thats what you get from Carb, going with the sub-par vets, they were sub-par in their prime, heaven help us now... Damn look at those Laffs and the excitement they are creating exceeding expectations, with a bunch of rookies!!!, but our standouts, or should i say outstanding standouts can't even crack the lineup over a Dandy, or a Breeze etc...somethings wrong with this picture. As for Higgins, nice person, can't finish when it counts, he could have easily had 50 goals last year. 1. The work of BGL will be key to our success this season... 2. The Bell Centre should be rebuilt to hold 80,000... 3. Kovalev is now in his prime...

Pax had 1 good pre season game and now the kids a star.Let's rewind a couple of years when another kid had a great camp and actually made our team.And now,people want to hang him for being garbage because he never proved himself.That guy was The Great Gui

24 Cups's picture
Chorske - spot on. You can also add Komi's name to the list of Dmen who played like crap. Going for the Brass Ring - 25 Cups in 100 Years

slamtherimtim's picture
carbo is a complete idiot , i think its almost time bob does something about the situaion , if you plan on bringing anyone up from hamilton now is the time , the experiance of the season will get them even better for the playoffs , we do have a better team but the low end is all the same , im happy they are winning , but am sad for what may happen

Chorske's picture
I am sad too. It only took one regulation loss to unearth the Carbohaters.

Gary320's picture
Complete idiot?.. Yeah heres a guy who has played in the NHL more than you have ever had.. who has played the game, knows the game, loves the game.. and hes a complete idiot? What does that make you? What ever is worse than complete idiot then.

Remember Tremblay.That guy played alot ,coached alot and loved the game as well.But that guy WAS a complete idiot.Now he's not an idiot because he didn't play,it's the stupid things he says

Gary320's picture
One game. 70+ to play. Take a breather.

Drew42's picture
Come on... They lost 1 game and it wasn't as if they just gave up. Would you relax a little, if these types of performances continue then your Doom and Gloom complaining about them has grounds, but be realistic, its 1 game and you havent even seen how/if they bouce back from it. _______________________________________________ "I got to get the Swede, eh?" - Saku Koivu

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
Bounce back? - fortunately we are not in a series against the Ducks...so we will not know how they 'bounce back', opposition is changing. But if you consider the Ducks as a measuring stick, we failed. Sure its one game no need to panic, just don't agree with the lineup personal and the lines...as another poster above mentioned, the "youth" should be playing NOW so they will be ready post season. (pax/stew/chip) 1. The work of BGL will be key to our success this season... 2. The Bell Centre should be rebuilt to hold 80,000... 3. Kovalev is now in his prime...

Habsrule1's picture
Ok...Habs-Student...and even that is a compliment. So, outshooting them 51-24 is what has you convinced that they "failed". Obviously, the Habs would be swept in a series based on their terrible performance in that one game. As for you youth movement, we're going through a pretty good span of time where many players have come up from Hamilton and done well. I suppose what we should do is trade all our veterans for draft pick and bring up every Bulldog that had 1 or 2 good pre-season games, right? I'm just happy that skipping over most of your posts is fairly painless. "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Go Habs Go!! Habsrule

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
I understand its tough to read the truth. As the season moves along you'll see my argument make perfect sense, Dandy,Breeze, Begin will make it to the hotdog stand and the youth movement Pax/Chip/Stew will get their chance. We'll just have to endure some pain before Carb snaps out of his retro stance. 1. The work of BGL will be key to our success this season... 2. The Bell Centre should be rebuilt to hold 80,000... 3. Kovalev is now in his prime...

Habsrule1's picture
"The truth" - funny. The beauty is they are there if we need them, but unless there are injuries, they are not the answer this year. "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Go Habs Go!! Habsrule

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
whats funny is I hope your right....and I also hope your wrong! 1. The work of BGL will be key to our success this season... 2. The Bell Centre should be rebuilt to hold 80,000... 3. Kovalev is now in his prime...

moser17's picture
I agree with you wholeheartedly, Mike, about the goaltender-loss rule, and your proposal sounds good. I wonder what the rationale is for the present state of affairs? Anyone know?

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Xtrahabsfan's picture
nightmare_49,with all respect,Duck's point of View can suck my........!!!!!!

TommyB's picture
I hope the Habs don't lose too often...really puts a damper on the content and number of posts. Or...is it just that all the HIO regulars have not returned from the Summit? Or recovered? Anyway, too bad the Habs didn't grab the W for you guys last night but I'm sure you all had a great time. From what I have read so far, whoever decides to grab the ball and run next year with a Summit III will have a hard act to follow. And speaking of the game....funny how all the dagger-weilding types wasted no time jumping out from behind the curtain, eh! Gee, it's almost as if they could hardly wait for a loss and something to bitch about. Naw, that can't be true can it? They're all die-hard Habs fans, right?

Ian Cobb's picture
Missed you being there Tommy, lots of stories to tell!

Kristopher7's picture
An L is an L. Like Boone said, did people expect them to go 81-0-1? Lol, if you think about it that's ridiculous (although we all secretly wouldn't mind that ;p) but yeah.. 51 shots.. some shots were easy but the fact that they tried and hit a few posts as well... some games you just lose.. anxious to see them play against Carolina, thank God it's only a 3 day wait instead of a 5 day wait! 5 is WAY too many nights off for me!

RetroMikey's picture
Yeah but to lose after being fully rested for 5 days and practicing for 4 days as well and Anaheim playing 3 games in 4 nights? Which team has the advantage? No excuses! Plain and simple, the better team won. "We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets"

Chorske's picture
I think we got TOO MUCH rest. Anaheim looked really sharp in practice. Could be that the "better prepared" team won?

Whenever they get too much rest, they do not play well. Can't Price get the flu shot like everybody else?

Willy the bum's picture
That's true, Mr. Boone... The Habs can't win them all, but they'll do their best to win as much. Besides, they gotta lose sometimes; no matter where they're standing in their division, they gotta show their best at every game they played. ---------- "We all wore the same costume as Maurice Richard did; the red-white-and-blue costume of the Montréal Canadiens, the best hockey team in the world." - Roch Carrier

Big Bird's picture
Love the picture. One of the first books I read my daughter was Roch Carrier's masterpiece. You have probably seen this already but if not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJlilwLlBhg

Hockey is actually a very, very simple game. You just have to embrace Yeat's "Two Goal Rule." If the defense and goaltender are able to hold the opposition to two goals or less, it is the responsibility of the offense to carry the day. If the offense is able to pot more than two, the burden falls on the d and the kicker. Last night, the d and goaltenders didn't pull their weight, end of story.

likehoy's picture
so pretty much both parties have a buffer of 2 goals before we deem it their fault.

Yep, two goals is pretty much the tipping point. You ever play the game?

Kristopher7's picture
Well whenever I play at 2 goals you still feel like you have a shot at winning the game, when the gap gets to 3 and above morale goes to ***. I still am amazed by the Habs comeback against the Rangers last year.. the 6-5 SO Win from 5-0.

Ian G Cobb's picture
Hi everyone, 1st the game, remembering that all 4 lines were out of sink and could not maintain puck possession so they just shot from where ever on the ice, and we had a lot of pitch and catch shots that Gigaire just enjoyed. There were no passing plays in front and the whole game was not very pretty. The Koivu line, Higgins was not nearly close to being in game shape yet, putting that line right out of wack. The Kovelev line, Sergie plays the game much different than his brother and this line could not make two compleat passes in a row, so this line was really a no show other than a moment or two of individual play. The 3rd and 4th lines were much the same, some individual play but no team chemistry. Everyone worked hard enough, but there was no puck control and chemistry, except on the power play. This game was no big deal, once we get all our walking injured back, including O'Byrne's hip pointer, we will be just fine. Higgins has to play himself back into game shape, and Andre K. is showing sign's of getting back. And besides it was Duck's weather in Mtl. and then some. We will lose games this year, and we will also finish 1st in the east this year. We have some kids that need a little more seasoning in the coming months, but after the 1st of the year, we will be on fire.

likehoy's picture
i'm surprised to hear no one has suggested "WE NEED TO CALL UP MAX PACIORETTY" to stop our losing streak.

sidhu's picture
I think that's because he hasn't been productive in Hamilton so far. In contrast, D'Ag, Glumac, and Maxwell, deserve a look. That said, I would do something like this: Lats-Koivu-Tang Chipchura-Pleks-Kovy Higgy-Lang-SK74 Begin-Lapierre-BGL/Kosto Bench: Dandy Markov-Komo Hammer-OB Cube-Gorges Bench: Breezer I do think we need another top 4 D. Breezer should be put on waivers. Someone I have in mind - Ruslan Salei. Or, if we want to be bold, make a pitch for Letang.

fuhgawz's picture
i personally do not think Letang is a top 4 D-man .... he is decent in shoot outs but other then that he sure is not stepping up and filling the role of the pens missing d-men at all.

Shiloh's picture
Higgins should play with Saku and Tanguay.

S - Haven't you seen that Saku and Higgy act before, give it a break.

HabLion's picture
We get it. You don't like Latendresse. Try putting aside your bias and watch him play. A point per game player who is hitting everything on the forecheck and hard to get off the puck in the offensive zone. Try making a point other than "bench Latendresse, send Latendresse to the minors, put someone beside Latendresse on Koivu's line...etc, etc, etc". Bottom line, this has been our best line.

TommyB's picture
Well stated. Anyone who can't see the improvement in Latendresse from last year is someone who just doesn't want to see it. And for the guy who feels Lats hasn't paid his dues....this is his 3rd year in the NHL. Two years of learning in the NHL is at least equal to, if not better, than 3 or 4 years of learning in the AHL.

Shiloh's picture
It is sad - I hope you take the time to watch him (I mean really watch him) out there. He makes half a dozen bad plays for every good one.

Chris's picture
Look, there is no question that Latendresse has his faults. But, as with all players, you have to focus on what he brings to the table instead of what he doesn't bring. Gui is a big body that doesn't mind the dirty work along the boards. For a big guy, he has relatively soft hands. His passing is much better this season that previous years. He is a hard worker who spends his summers trying to improve different aspects of his game. He is playing better than ever before, his line is the top line on the Habs and he fits well with Tanguay and Koivu. Not to mention that I think Koivu genuinely likes playing with Latendresse, judging by their celebrations on ice. The options to play with Koivu and Tanguay are Higgins or Latendresse, unless the Habs trade for somebody. Higgins seems to need the puck on his stick a lot to be effective, a trait that I think makes him a little bit incompatible with Tanguay and Koivu. Latendresse knows enough to get the puck to those two, and only holds on to the puck along the boards. There is nobody in Hamilton that is even close to Latendresse's level at this point.

Chris - Very nice post and though he's a right winger i wouldn't count Matt D'Agostini out as he has a wicked shot and has shown sniper potential and may fit right in with those two playmakers.

Chris's picture
I never discount Matt D'Agostini...he played junior here in Guelph, so I got to see him 10-15 times a year for his 2 seasons with the Storm. He's a great story (undrafted in the OHL, he made the Storm as a tryout) and ultimately ended up on the Storm's top line. However, I would be REALLY surprised to see him as anything more than a third line, Mike Johnson type player. He has a decent wrist shot, but he's usually more of a pass-first guy. He is pretty shifty, and can dazzle with one-on-one dekes at times on the ice. He was speedy enough in the OHL, but the jump from the OHL or AHL to the NHL is huge in that EVERYBODY is fast...I suspect he would struggle with that a bit. Seems like he's a very hard worker, and his defensive game has improved leaps and bounds over where he was in the OHL. I think Latendresse is ahead of D'Agostini both in terms of where he is now as well as his potential ceiling. Latendresse is bigger and younger and seems to have more offensive potential based on his junior career, at least. They are both outstanding young talents who realize that you have to work hard to become a good hockey player, so its great that the Habs have both of them in their system. :)

Deano's picture
Shiloh ... bang on right. Gui can play on the line when starts shaving. All the other solid core players (Pleks, AK, SK, Higgins, Komi, etc) paid their dues. He is a year or two away. Hopefully, not having to play in Hamilton has not significantly hurt his career.

Sakuismyhero's picture
I was at the game last night, and while I love Higgins and also notice that he assisted on Saku's goal, I think he missed a lot of chances because he shot wide of the net and I don't think Koivu and Tanguay need someone who can't finish one of their amazing passing plays. They need someone to put it in, and like it or not, Gui is doing that on a regular basis. Once Higgy starts to find the net again, maybe, but for now, lets not mess with a good thing.

likehoy's picture
gui has 1 goal.

Sakuismyhero's picture
One goal BUT he's the one bashing the guys in front of the net to get outta the way so Saku and Tanguay can put it in...I am not Gui's biggest fan but I don't think Higgins is ready yet.

likehoy's picture
"They need someone to put it in, and like it or not, Gui is doing that on a regular basis. Once Higgy starts to find the net again, maybe, but for now, lets not mess with a good thing." gui has one goal.

Sakuismyhero's picture
Yes I apologize for that. He has one goal. But he will have more given the amount of chances he has. And if not, put Higgins on. One pt per game is something to be happy about, not something to be nit-picky about.

likehoy's picture
yup i'm happy with lats' production...hopefully he keeps it up...he has to keep his stick on the ice more often.

One goal and a whole lot of potential. Gui looks great this year, he is becoming the player Bob was looking for. He is playing fantastic and the goals will come.

Garbo's picture
How long can his value lie in his "potential"?

CHsam's picture
That pic of megaman is awesome

OldGrover's picture
He's currently a POINT PER GAME player and you're complaining? Sheesh. What do you want him to do before you cut him some slack - play defense, goal and forward all at once and manage a shutdown, four assists and twelve goals?

Big Bird's picture
Sounds like a pretty accurate assessment to meet the expectations of some.

likehoy's picture
that'd be nice..when can he start?

Kaptain K's picture
As long as that line keeps scoring, his potential starts becoming reality. --- CAN YOU SMELLLLLLLLL...WHAt La- RAQUE...IS...COOKING!!

Chorske's picture
That line is our main offensive weapon right now. I wouldn't touch it. Plus, Higgy played with some fire yesterday, but he also looked a little out of sync. I'd wait before bumping him back up with Tanguay and Koivu.

BIG-D's picture
Can anyone please tell me how I can get my hands ont the Habs 100th aniversary patch(both ones) that they wear on ther shoulders...... Thanks


gmd's picture
I've seen them on ebay.

sidhu's picture
Interesting question asked of the boys, Kosto will a funny response at the end: http://canadiens.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=838&id=23168

Kristopher7's picture
lol nice answer by Tom !

likehoy's picture
hahaha tom k! but what's funny is everytime latendresse answers...it's always something super french...lats is the frenchest guy alive! he didn't even know who kiss was when kovy dressed up as kiss for halloween! you know what...i bet the habs halloween party was this week so they were all messed up from the R&R before last night's game.

NHL Morning Papers (Sunday Edition) : NHL Teams Talking to Claude Lemieux and Sens Interested in Ohlund. .. by Richard Pollock ..... http://www.illegalcurve.com/2008/10/26/nhl-morning-papers-sunday-edition... ...................................................... Empty Netters : Tidbits .. by Seth Rorabaugh ..... http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/emptynetters/archive/2008/10/26/...

The Teacher's picture
I think this is the latest you've ever posted the "Morning Papers" Bryan. Where did you disappear to last night? At some point a few of us were looking around for you as your name came up. My suggested overtime format and other sports talk

Teach - My back started seizing up and even after two medium pitchers plus the nagging pain kept getting worse so i went for a walk that usually loosens it up but not this time so i split, rather than being a drag. There will be a next time.

The Teacher's picture
Yup, definitely in for a next time. How was the pain in your head this afternoon ;) after those two pitchers? My suggested overtime format and other sports talk

Teach - After being rudely awaken by a carpenter in the next apartment at 7:20AM i needed Tylenol but after a repit my head was fine or as fine as it ever be. That place is great to watch a hockey game and there was great atmosphere and the guys i was sitting at the bar with really got into the game.