About last night ...

posted by Mike Boone at 7h44 EST on Jan 16


If the dream Stanely Cup final is Canadiens-Red Wings, the nightmare scenario would match Nashville against Florida.

The TV ratings would be the lowest ever .... and not just because the finalists were two of Gary Bettman's ridiculous Sun Belt teams.

It's the style – or lack of same.

Grinding defensive hockey. Rapid line changes. Hard-working, tight-checking players who won't be in the All-Star game.

In his superlative The Game, Ken Dryden wrote that defensive hockey was the easiest to coach, as long as players were dedicated and bought into the system.

Easy to teach; but man, it was hard to watch last night.



Maybe it was the letdown after an emotional game in Boston.

Maybe it was playing an unfamiliar and largely faceless opponent lacking two of its best players: Shea Weber and Jason Arnott.

Whatever, the Canadiens and Predators dialed up a non-classic, the most exciting moments of which came during the final minute, when the home team managed to miss an empty net five times.

The Canadiens had TWO shots in the second period and six in the third. Absurd ... and really boring.

But two points is two points. And it's not like I paid to get into the Bell Centre.

The team bagged a W against a difficult opponent. And they did it – again – without their number-one goaltender and three of their top forwards.

Not to mention the "heavyweight champ."

When his face appears on the giant scoreboard during pre-game introductions, Georges Laraque still gets tumultuous applause.

Why?

BGL has played in 17 games this season. He has fewer penalty minutes than Alex Kovalev.

And while Laraque nurses a tweaky groin and a bad back while ballooning up to 260, his valiant teammates are losing fights.

I don't know why Steve Bégin squared off with Jordin Tootoo last night. It wasn't a good idea, and Bégin joined Kyle Chipchura and Tom Kostopoulos as players with big hearts and inept fists.

(For a example of effective pugilism, check out Sheldon Souray drilling Craig Weller with a left.)

So tell me again why the Canadiens signed Big Georges.

Robert Lang was a better acquisition. I love watching this guy play hockey.

Lang never makes bonehead plays. He has intuitive hockey sense, the lack of which was what me drove me nuts watching Michael Ryder last season.

Segei Kostitsyn has it, too. But Lang is more experienced and bigger. He's no Todd Bertuzzi, but Lang uses his size and reach effectively.

Lang is a superb complement to those two wild and crazy guys from Belarus, the older of whom is on fire. Andrei Kostitsyn bagged his 15th last night on a one-timer to Pekka Rinne's short side. AK46 has scored in four straight games, all on the power play.

The PP is 8-for-26 after a 1-for-22 drought. The first wave still loses the faceoff too often, which necessitates regrouping and wastes time, but once it gets set up, the PP has ecome a dangerous weapon again – and a disincentive for opponents who might otherwise take liberties against the Canadiens.

The most impressive stat last night? Against a fast-skating, hard-working and disciplined team, the Canadiens took only two minor penalties – and none in the third period, when Nashville was coming on strong.

A minor quibble about a minor: my friend Sean Gordon of the Globe and Mail, who actually watches the game while I'm live-blogging like a maniac, pointed out that Patrice Brisebois's interference penalty came after the referee had warned Breeze about holding up a Nashville player on a previous dump-in.

Brisebois was minus-2 last night, as was Roman Hamrlik. But Mike Komisarek  (four hits, six blocked shots), Josh Gorges and Francis Bouillon were steady, and Andrei Markov was spectacular.

The Canadiens blocked 26 shots (to 14 for Nashville) and did a good job clearing the rebounds that still bounce off Jaroslav Halak often enough to keep the fans on the edge of their seats. Jaro made 23 saves and did not look elegant on any of them. He'll never win style points, but Halak has won 10 games and provided quality goaltending while Carey Price rehabs a sore ankle.

Speaking of blocked shots, Alex Kovalev had six of seven blocked last night. But Kovy played a strong game with Tomas Plekanec (10-6 on faceoffs, including a crucial win late against Radek Bonk in the Canadiens zone with an extra Nashville attacker on).

I'm starting to love Max Pacioretty on the Pleks line. Big kid who uses his size. Excellent and tireless skater. There's still the odd defensive lapse or bad decision in the O-zone. But what the heck, Max-Pac is 20 years old and has played all of seven games in the NHL.

Definitely a keeper ... and we can only hope Pacioretty's play inspires Christopher Higgins.

Here's one to ponder: When Higgins, Saku Koivu and Alex Tanguay return, do Maxim Lapierre, Guillaume Latendresse and Tom Kostopoulos become the Canadiens' fourth line?

If so, there won't be a better one in the league. Max has to be the most improved player on the team, Gui! has been revitalized and Tom the Bomb is the line's Energizer Bunny ... albeit a rabbit with bad hands.

Off to Ottawa tomorrow morning for the first of three road games heading into the All-Star break.

Canadiens are sitting fourth in the conference, three points up on Philadelphia with a game in hand.

Best of all, they – and we – have seen the last of Nashville.

 

 

 

 


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georgesd's picture
Since Mike Boone talks about how the Chipchuras, Bégins and Kostopoulos lack pugilistic hutzpa here's an article my son sent me on Sportsnet by Georges Laracque published on Monday, January 5, 2009 titled The Rock's last word at http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/blogs/2009/01/05/laraque_last_word/. It's all GL's philosophy on fighting. Interesting reading. Good reading, Georges D

Brian vs Goliath: Hot Sens Rookie to Start in Nets vs Habs .. by Bruce Garrioch/SunMedia ..... http://www.ottawasun.com/Sports/Senators/2009/01/16/8048111.html .................. Gerber Dignified, But Departing .. by Ken Warren/Ottawa Citizen ..... http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/Gerber+dignified+departing/1182956/s... .................. Sens Rediscover a Few Things .. by Wayne Scanlan ..... http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/Senators+discover+good+things/118295...

For tonight's game i would put D'Agostini on the Lapierre line in place of Tommy K to get him going and insert Greg Stewart into the lineup to give #6, he's lost a step due to the injury, and his ankle time to mend and also play him against the Devils. There's no urgency these days so we should give our wounded ample time to recover cuz we got the depth. These two games for Stewart will give him a look and also give the Ritalin crew on our site what they have been crying for.

Robert L's picture
LMAO! You should post a list of the Ritalin crew. I'll post a list of everyone I know who claims to be related to Don Cherry.

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/


Tidbits from the Eastern Conference .. Seth Rorabaugh/Empty Netters ..... http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/emptynetters/archive/2009/01/17/... ........... Tidbits from the Western Conference ..... http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/emptynetters/archive/2009/01/17/... ............. Newsmakers in the NHL: John Madden's Controversial Goal .. NHL FanHouse ..... http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/17/newsmakers-in-the-nhl-john-maddens-co... ............................. Suspensions in the Alexei Cherepanov Case .. by NHL FanHouse ..... http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/16/khl-hands-out-suspensions-in-cherapan...

splurge's picture
It really is mind boggling sometimes, but if Don Cherry just stuck to stating his opinions on the game and the issues pertaining to the game, he would be a perfectly great analyst. The absurd racist comments he makes at times completely undermine is credibility. They are absolutely unnecessary. I guess it adds to the 'entertainment value'. I can be a fan of his at times as he has great hockey sense but the politics and derogatory comments need to stay out. Splurge

FSLN's picture
Regarding the ongoing debate over Don Cherry: I could care less whose uncle he is or what anyone thinks he has done for the game. The man is a xenophobe and a racist. He has proved this fact repeatedly. There is no excuse and no defense for that, and it has nothing to do with hockey. I have family members in the U.S. who are older and racist and I call it like I see it with them. That he is allowed to spew this filth on a weekly basis is a national disgrace. To defend him without addressing this issue is to miss the point. Any good he does or anything constructive he says will always be tarnished with this fact. Sorry if this lacks tact, but there is no excuse for tolerating or defending racism.

Chris's picture
100% agreed.

FSLN's picture
Thanks for that, glad to see that racism and discrimination aren't glossed over and forgiven by everyone on this board.

this last game was a snoozer for sure and with our upcomming schedule for the next 10 games or so we will be palying bottom feeder teams i hope the guys use this oportunity to get into a good groove and rack up some important points for the end of the season wich will be an interesting one again this year it seems. i wanna see hungry hockey were we blow out these teams not merely get by and collect 2 points i want the other teams to sit in there locker rooms after the game and think "wow those guys made us look like a junior league team" even if our team is made up of 1/2 ahl and softmores guy atm

Yesterday Al Strachan had a blog:'Cap having Negative Effect on Teams' .. Fox Sports ..... http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/9079294/Cap-having-negative-effect-on... ............... SURPRISE: Barry Melrose Rocks Blog Disagrees: 'Al Strachan Doesn't have a Clue about Cap Crunch' ..... http://melroserocks.blogspot.com/2009/01/al-strachan-doesnt-have-clue-ab...

Kristopher7's picture
Thanks for the in depth "about last night" Mike, I enjoy reading your writing, especially the longer posts.

RudeMood19's picture
Guys, why isn't Guy Lapointe's number retired?

The open net at the end of the game was funny. It was like the guys saw it, knew they would win the game, and were just trying to get the game over ;-). If the puck went in great, if not, please just let the clock run down. I think like a lot of fans do. BGL at 230/240 and healthy can be a plus player with >10 goals and maybe 25 points. He needs to be able to play 12 minutes a game though. It seems if they take him past a fight and five he hurts something. Might be too heavy beyond 220. I sure wish he could play to his potential though.

likehoy's picture
it's never over till it's over... patrik stefan missed icing the game and hemsky scored on the other end with less than 5 seconds to go. "ONE CUP, ONE PRICE."

Robert L's picture
I posted the Patrik Stefan clip last year here if anyone wants a look. There's also a bunch of oddball hockey clips as well. http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2008/03/video-stop-this.html

bigjames's picture
robert, those bloopers are classics. was laughing my head off. thanks!

Steiner's picture
Tell that to Team Russia of the WJC. They most certainly know... its not over till its over.

Robert L's picture
In a discussion earlier this p.m., krob and habsrule1 and I regretfully got into it over the merits of Don Cherry. Don happens to be HR1's uncle, and unforetunately it became personal. having already stuck my neck out, I feel obliged to clarify my views here. My opinions will differ from theirs. Don is not MY uncle, but if he was, I imagine I'd come to his defense as much as HR1 has. Krob posted a list I asked for, so I will meet him half way on this. I've copied and pasted your work krob, I'm impressed by what you brought forth. I'll add my thoughts to it. Where it is we disagree, I hope we can do so without name calling and insults. Here goes: -"He has brought the game into households that otherwise wouldn't have watched it." I don't know about this. I tune in to watch HNIC. Some people do tune in for Cherry. I do know a guy that used to tune in just for Coaches Corner. He wouldn't be alone. I wouldn't go so far as to say he's made HNIC prosper, but he's a big part of it's entertainment value. But they made him, and not vice versa. -"He always advocates respect on the ice." 100% true, and in his forum he should absolutely do that. He does an excellent job at it too! -"He praises and thanks the grass roots of Canadian hockey at every opportunity (the several hundred thousand volunteers)." I was one of those volunteers for 11 years. Cherry is a great booster of all levels of hockey. He's brought great recognition and acknowledgement to those selfless folks who put in all kinds of time into this facet of our social fabric. Just don't confuse Canadian Minor Hockey thriving because of Don Cherry, though. It's a success because of the individuals involved. That said, his promotion of it likely has helped flow a good bit of Government money into keeping it healthy. -"He brings a personality that has been marketable enough to make him known even south of the border and his contribution to the income of the game is something that is a benefit to every player and employee of the league." Don isn't seen south of the border the same way he is perceived up here. I'm sure his contribution has brought some income into the NHL, but I doubt that it is in a big way that would make a significant difference. His marketable personality has benefitted himself though. -"He teaches the basics of the game and is always quick to point out the things a player should never do (shoot wide on an odd man rush, block shots improperly, screen your own goalie, play the body not the puck, take away time and space, stand your ground or lose it forever,etc)." True, not to sound condescending, but he'd make an ideal minor hockey coach with what he preaches, and how he gets it across. - "He teaches the importance and relevance of being a teammate not just a member of a team." Don's always been "All for one and one for all." There is no other way to be in a team sport. -"He teaches honour, loyalty, respect to those who paved the way for you, he teaches to never forget your roots and where you came from. Absolutely. Those are always good manners and traits to pass along. -"Here is one some of you harping about compassion will hate to swallow...for all of his toughness he is brought to tears nearly every week for a soldier, or minor hockey player,etc he doesn't even know....a real animal and neandrathal that Cherry is...how many hockey men cry on national tv and then have the balls to get right back up there and preach tough hockey." That is very true. I've seen it more than once. He's never been an animal and he's old school perhaps, but hardly neanderthal. His compassion could be extended to some other areas, but I digress. -"Is there a bigger supporter of Canadian hockey alive.....would the world juniors and national teams be fawned over as they are without Don backing them for so long? Think about it...were they before Don?" There isn't a more popular supporter of the Canadian Juniors than Cherry, but before he came onto coaches corner, the program Hockey Canada runs as it is now, didn't exist in the same form. It has grown exponentially because it is expertly run. Because it is run so well it has become successful and Canada has regularly won gold medals. Because Canada has become a perennial winner, it is televised and covered in great detail. Sorry, but all of this happened without much more than a thumbs up from Cherry as far as I can tell. -"How many of you remember sitting around listening to Don with your parents or friends to a memorable episode of Coaches Corner." Of course, but that's entertainment. -"Don also teaches humility as he always the first to admit that his players and especially Bobby Orr are a main reason he is where he is today." Yes he teaches humilty, but he's hardly in a medium where he can practice it consistently. -"Don helps promote the Prospects game every year along with Bobby Orr to give the game more credibility and star power (you know those kids listen to every word he says)." Yes, he does help promote it, but again, it would all run fine and dandy without him. I watch it to see the kids, personally. -"Don teaches persistence and tells kids to never give up and stop listening to people who tell you you can't .....he preaches for parents and coaches to never give up on kids." And that's the right thing to do. -"Don preaches the benefits of hard work and the importance of always giving your all and putting the sweater before the player." As it should be. -"Don tells parents to stop meddling with coaches and push their kids too hard and always emphasizes the importance of fun in the game...even at the professional level....he is always quick to show clips illustrating comeraderie and sportsmanship." And those aren't negligable points. As a hockey, that's advice I need once in a while too. I'll toss one in of my own. Cherry has created a pretty cool chain of restaurants in his name, that has given employment to thousands of Canadians, my niece included. ------------------------------------------------------ All your points taken together prove to me what I already understood, and some things that perhaps I have overlooked in assessing him at times. He's definitely a great Canadian in a multitude of ways. He has his shortcoming here and there, but frig, don't all of us. Cherry is a great promoter of many aspects and facets of the game. That said, I feel that we must not confuse his endorsement and moral support of several great causes and undertakings as being the fundamental reasons behind their continued existence and success. Cherry might just back a lot of things with his own hard earned bucks - he seems to be that kind of guy! If one chooses to ask "What would all these things be without Don Cherry?", that is their take. One could also suggest "What would Cherry be without all this to get behind?" I think it is a fair question to ask. While recognizing all that Cherry has contributed, it is understandable, and without doubt that he is an icon of hockey in Canada. I would back him up all the way, should he get a nod for the builders category in the Hockey Hall Of Fame. --------------------------------------------------- In discussing Cherry in several emotional posts scattered about in today's threads, I admit I've come down hard on him in places for the things I thought he wasn't. I maintain my personal opinion that Cherry was a good NHL coach, and not a great one. I also stand by my view that he is overesteemed as a hockey thinker. It should never have gotten to be about me in any way, as my hockey resume is dreadfully short compared to many, never mind an NHL icon. I regret that it came to what it came to. I was all just my own personal view based on what it is I believe I know. Paul is Cherry's nephew, and that is pretty cool. Obviously, he knows his uncle a great deal better than any of us, especially including me. I apologize for how I treaded this earlier. I asked for a response to a question earlier from both krob and Paul. Being that I made the request, and time was taken to respond to it, this is my best to meet that halfway.

i dont like Cherry at all he uses his status to pass cheap political comments everytime he can like most sports people sadly enough, i wanna watch hockey not hear someones biggoted opinions

Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
ya know, i think Nightmare49 should be whipped with a wet noodle and hung by his toenails for posting that initial Cherry HOF thread. Man, were we sucked in and so off topic!

classy post... we all have moments where we speak too fast, or a little too harshly.

Robert L's picture
I often have those nanoseconds!

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/


Yeah I can't really give him all the credit for a lot of that stuff he Juniors,etc but he is a hell of a supporter but I'm glad you are able to look at it objectively...try being a Kingstonian...for years I wouldn't watch Cherry either....I too thought his views antiquated but as I got older, started coaching myself, had my little guy watching the shows with me sometimes I realized how much I learned from him even as a kid and that most of what he preaches are important messages in an entertaining way...and I wanted my little guy to listen to him. I would watch a Coaches Corner and think damn I wish the little man had heard that...it made me realize just how much good Don does and that I used to get frustrated with him for his personality too at times. After this debate I think a good way of assessing him is to say he has done a masterful job at finding a way to be entertaining to the masses and still manage to teach some basic life lessons and a wealth of basicnhockey knowledge along the way(as per his on air persona...cause we'll still disagree about the coach thing..he won a coach of the yr award in the AHL too and I still think he was a good coach though lol). I never would have even considered this if not for Nightmare49 (suspiciously absent during all of this..probably sipping pints and laughing all day lol) hadn't posted the link by Mike Milbury.....who by the way should probably considered a "builder" in his own right...just think about how many teams he helped during his time as a GM lol.

Robert L's picture
LMAO! I wish I had a young son to watch hockey and Coach's Corner with. My daughter has loved playing for 9 years, but just can't sit and watch for more than 5 minutes. Best she's ever done was a period of the women's 2002 Olympic team, cause Laurie Dupuis was a local gal.

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/


mrhabby's picture
nice one. where do you get the time to do this.

Robert L's picture
For me habby, it's termed a temporary layoff!

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/


Habsrule1's picture
Very nice post, Robert. Thanks. Uncle Don will be touched that you sorta dug deep to see that he may not be all bad after all....and maybe, just maybe...he knows just a bit about the game we love. Oh....and he's not really my uncle. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

MikeL's picture
HAHA that's hilarious and awesome.

Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
"Oh....and he's not really my uncle." Gee, i wonder how many more of those deceptive posts we've already read or will have to read. I can't believed you played that card!

Habsrule1's picture
It was a joke, and Robert found it funny. That's all that matters to me. It was wrong, but it got him to do a bit of soul-searching, so it wasn't all bad. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
i understand. i still can't believe you did it. at least you fessed up!

Robert L's picture
Bobby Orr's my father!

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/


Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
i see the family resemblance

Robert L's picture
Ever heard the one about when a girl has a Bobby Orr? Anybody remember what that means? Hint: Think of how Orr taped his hockey stick!

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/


Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
sorry, never heard the expression. indulge me.

Robert L's picture
Orr used to tape his stick with one strand of tape. It looked a lot like a certain usually unseen, nicely cropped. part.... I'll be flagged if I go any further. :)

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Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
i realize how Orr taped his stick... don't go any further. please!

Robert L's picture
He's not, LMAO! Either way, he shouldn't give a *** what I think anyway! I thought you were off here for the day and fired off an e-mail to you. I didn't have to dig all that deep to see he was a good guy!

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/


Habsrule1's picture
Didn't think it would morph like it did...was just having fun. I guess it wasn't all bad....got some soul-searching accomplished! Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

Robert L's picture
That's damn funny! You hooked me good too, cause when I start something, I normally try to reach a conclusion. I was making a great effort not to be too misunderstood, and yeah..some soul searching always gets accomplishment when trying to respecfully disagree. It's so easy in HIO to be perceived as an (_!_), I try to avoid it every chance I get. When you read the comments in here, any opinionated person can attest, you must bite your lip a 100 times a day. Fun waste of an afternoon. Now I think I'm two hours late for picking my kids up at school. Time flies. ROTF!

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CanadianPGA's picture
For the record; sorry it's broken. You can only hear certain songs. But here they are: 1. The HABS are 2nd in their Division ooh yah yah! 2. The HABS are 4th in the Conference ooh yah yah! 3. The HABS are 6th in the League ooh yah yah! Songs I'm hoping to play when the record is repaired: 1. Get off the band-wagon before you're pushed uh huh! 2. Love the team or cheer for another uh huh! 3. Be thankful you're not married to a Leafs fan da ding! There's so much to cheer for. Let's get onside and Les Canadiens will triumph, create memories for years to come and give us what we want: #25.

Sorry I'm a fan (for 50 years and counting), not a Koolaid drinker. My team can and does make mistakes and I can't pretend that they don't. The fact that this is a game played by and for humans seems to have escaped you, mon ami. You actually sound like a LEAF FAN. Now there is a "nation" of Koolaid drinkers. You're welcome to that world.

CanadianPGA's picture
I'm glad the Koolaid reference made an impact; didn't know if it'd be grabbed. I agree that discussing the merit of the squad as well as the challenges the Team faces is the reason for this site. I'll go quietly and sip some sugar water and have a freezie. It was more of a "let's get excited and stop bashing" a team that is performing well inspite of it all, as opposed to being a bed wetter. I can't wait to have been a HABS FAN for fifty years, you've seen a lot and the perspective is appreciated. Offside though; you'll never see this guy cheer for the Leafs or insinuate such a thing in this forum. I guess that right comes with 50 plus seasons?

Habsrule1's picture
As long as we can disagree with their mistakes without bashing a team that is doing as well as they are, we can all be Habs fans. It's called supporting your team. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

I didn't find the game all that boring. Not a classic, but it was fast and both teams worked hard. At least it wasn't frustrating, which is what I found the third period of the Boston game. In his post-game comments, Carbo said that after Tuesday's emotional game, he was afraid the team wouldn't get up for this one. I think the last game against a lower-seeded team that they weren't prepared for was the Tampa game early in December. It seems that, like the second half of last season, they're taking each game seriously. This, combined with their ability to win without their number one goalie and a whole forward line, means they should have a great second half. I even think we could still catch Boston, although the focus should not be that but just winning the games one at a time. After his two shaky games, Halak has really settled down. He still gives up rebounds, but overall he's much more solid and his puck handling is better. He seems to be the kind of goaltender who needs to play regularly to stay focused. I love the Lang Kostitsyn line. Lang is so smart, his passes, his reading of the play, how he knows exactly where to go on the ice. Who knows if Plan A would have worked as well as Plan B is?

Garbo's picture
Fun poll for a Friday afternoon: Which forwards on the Canadiens are worse than Latendresse? I will start with Begin, other than that, I'm not comfrotable naming anyone. Any thoughts?

Habsrule1's picture
He's been very good. On pace for another 16 goals. Last year he had the most goals per minute of ice time on the team. Any other intelligent polls up your sleeve? Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

Garbo's picture
I didn't say he hasn't been good. I agree he's been much better lately, but is still in my opinion one of the worst forwards on the team. ps. Despite your critique, you couldn't answer the question.

Who is the worst immediate family member you have? If you want to rephrase this and make people phrase things in terms of depth than it would get a better response but when you start saying who is worse than Lats it comes off as argumentative and intended to cause a reaction. Noone on here wants to really bash are own. ...there is a fine line between critiquing,analzing, offering an opinion,etc and showing an obvious dislike for a player (which you are entitled to do ..but expect responses from those who disagree). I better call it quits for the day cause I am ticking myself off getting involved in these things and don't like reading some of my own posts today. Sorry to anyone if I offended you in some of my rants...Ian and Robert especially...I was joking in both cases but when I read them over a few minutes ago they don't really come off that way....a little bit... but not quite as impersonal as I meant them.

Habsrule1's picture
Don't be sorry krob. Your posts today were dead balls on. Both Ian & Robert L should be ashamed. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

Gary320's picture
Begin and Kostopolous. But it isnt taking anything away from them. I think everyone is great.. it's just... well, they don't have the scoring punch as anyone else on the forwards list. So maybe rephrase the question from worse to another word..

Garbo's picture
Haha, maybe "least effective" would politically correct enough for you.

Gary320's picture
Yeah it would work better lool. I'm just saying, because I said Begin and Kosto being the "worse" people would think I mean they suck, they don't. They just aren't as effective... so yeah thats a better word.. lol.

Harani's picture
For a change guys...go read this piece on Carey Price http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3836512 Btw...he told RDS that he expects to come back in a game next week. I'm guessing New Jersey. He really wants to be in the All-Star game and if he's alright why not? Get well soon Pricey!

You Want Stress? Try Being the Canadiens Goalie - A Look at Habs Carey Price .. by Lindsey Berra/ESPN Magazine ..... http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3836512 ............................................................ The New York Times Morning Skate: Injuries, Goalie Injuries and the K C Shuffle and much more .. by Stu Hackel ..... http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/15/the-morning-skate-goalie-in...

Ian G Cobb's picture
Here is the weekly 3 stat report on how we compare in the 30 team league as of last night. Not much change from last week where we were in 6th place out of 3o teams. First is Goals Against- 114, we are alone in 6th place, same as last week. Second is Total Points-58, we are still tied in 5th place with Calgary. Third is Goals For -136, we are in 6th place with Calgary, better than 8th place last week. Even with injuries we are staying close to the 6 best teams in the 30 team league. Wonder if we move on up the ladder when we get our injured back after the All Star break?

JD_'s picture
All about the coaching. And staying focused as the Preds valiantly tried to hyp-mo-taz the Habs to sleep. Good times. Pre-Game: > Is the Preds' David Legwand aware that RDS must be, by the looks of it, using his DUI arrest photo for their forward lines graphic. > Bonk! I'm employing it in the sound effects context. Pure coincidence. Game: > Preds came out flying on their very first shift and settled into an aggressive forecheck. Here we go again. Fortunately, all was forgotten by the second shift. I have no doubt Trotz tattooed (tootooed?) the word “forecheck” on their collective foreheads during the first intermission. It was back on for the second and third periods and slowed down an otherwise very fast Habs transition game. We scored on the power play but were held to only two shots over two opportunities. > Jordan Tootoo is Darcy Tucker without the mouth. Wouldn't want to see him in a Habs uniform. Props to Begin for trying to settle the score on the Gorges cheap shot. Think Bouillon would have been a better dance partner and almost was after pasting the little weasel early in the second period. > Kovy always plays better when he's mad. After getting whacked around a bit early in the first period, you could almost see the switch flip. “Don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.” It appeared that he actually started lapping some of the Preds on that extended dipsy-doodle. I'm just thinking out loud here, but it might not be such a bad idea to have one of those little kids, who skate around the Bell Centre ice before the Habs come out, drive his flagpole into Kovy's skateblades as he jumps onto the ice or just spear him outright. Again, just a thought. > Halak's play of late certainly suggests his earlier stumbles were rust and nerves. He's not as steady nor confident as Price, but he's been consistent. Kudos to Carbo for being relatively unwavering when the temptation might have been to play Denis more. Not sure why, but I don't recall the tie Carbo was wearing last night. Maybe that's a good sign. > The k.t. Lang line is really gelling. You don't have that kind of drop-pass fest without a lot of chemistry. Unfortunately, Lang's shot went way over the net; it was straight out of the Bob Gainey-Mike McPhee School for the Advancement of Puck Shooting. Fortunately, Santorelli immediately returned the favour by seeing if he could actually get one over the filet protecteur behind Halak. New All-Star Skills Competition category? > In fact, that whole empty-net missing session by the Habs at the end of the third was almost a Gainey tribute, of sorts. That or they were all trying to endear themselves to the wise ol' GM to avoid being shipped out in any Lecavalier trade. Post-Game: > Ranking very closely behind the Dodge Ram ads in terms of presenting a distillation of pure nonsense are the Subway ads. The ones with the monkey. There is no escaping the tremendous irony when, at the outset of the commercial, Subway tells us they are about to challenge our IQ. If I somehow liked Subway – i.e., if rainbow-hewed “roast beef” was my bag – the ads alone would keep me out of their establishment. That and the growing suspicion that the “roast beef” is actually monkey meat. “If the meat doesn't have a rainbow on it, it's not Finian's.” > Speaking of eating at Subway, Nashville is coached by Barry Trotz. Bring on the lowly Sens! JD

mrhabby's picture
does barry trotz have a neck..just asking.not trying to be rude.

no..he donated his for a revolutionary neck extension operation years ago to Petr Svoboda.

Robert L's picture
So that's what robbed him of his chin!

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Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
thanks for the laugh, JD. good stuff! entertaining and insightful!

Habsrule1's picture
Don's my uncle and if any of you knew your *** from your elbow, you'd know he knows his stuff, even though you don't agree with him. He won the Jack Adams for a reason. Can't wait to see all your resumes! Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

MikeL's picture
I agree that for the most part, Don knows his stuff. The problem is he lets his emotions get the best of him and then his logic becomes rants. It's kind of like Pierre McGuire. I listen to Pierre on the radio and he doesn't even sound like the same guy. He sounds like a very toned down, smart hockey guy. But when he gets on TV, he starts ranting and then it's hard to appreciate his smarts. Last weeks Coach's Corner is a great example of how Grapes does know his stuff as long as he keeps his emotions in check. I thought it was one of his most impressive Coach's Corners to date because he was emotional, but he didn't get carried away. He made a lot of great points.

Habsrule1's picture
Well put MikeL. His personality can be debated, but his hockey knowledge truly cannot. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

Higgins21's picture
What's the street price for a pair of tickets in the reds?(Bell Center)

Hockey Socks's picture
Depends on the game. $130 give or take.

Dintrox's picture
As for our poor pugilistic showing, Carbs should insert Stewart into the line up. He has had some great tilts in the AHL.

likehoy's picture
i just hate it when people would avoid the heavyweight after a nasty hit...and go for a middle or light weight... e.g. coyote avoiding laraque but fights kostopoulos. but last night...ethan moreau was about ready to fight that minnesota player...but shelley souray steps in and tells moreau he's got this guy...next thing you know...the minnesota player is down and out. laraque should take notes. "ONE CUP, ONE PRICE."

Ian G Cobb's picture
Chris in Guelph, I am with you 100% about grapes the raisin. And I know him personally.

So you know a Jack Adams trophy winner personally who has done more than anyone in Canada except Gretzky for promoting hockey and you call him a raisin? Didn't you billot an all star and cup finalist in Jason Spezza (or at elast you said he ate at your table several times or something) and then lambaste him on here for the last two years? Hmmm..... sour with Grapes and Spezza a because there wasn't quite enough corn on your Cobb? You should have found some better coattails to ride Ian...lol ! Seriously though you really beleive he shouldn't be there? Do you have a real reason putting aside personal bias or is it just because you don't like him? Chris' reason had to with Cherry's ehtnic references which I find annoying at times but by no means enough to ignore his impact...which is like no other not anmed Gretzky.

Ian G Cobb's picture
He is all show and never listens to any other point of view on anything. He is always right because he is always the loudest mouth. About Spezza, he was at the house many times because i had team mates living here. On fridays if they were not on the road, the whole team ate at my place, or most of them. There are not many kids or people that I don't like in this world, but if you knew him as I did, I'm sure you would not be a fan of his, as a man.

Habsrule1's picture
Ian, Uncle don says we really shouldn't take what you say too seriously. He said other stuff too, but this is a family show lol Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

longbow's picture
Cherry is a jerk.He's like U.S.television.Pandering to the lowest common denominator.If he's popular it's because a lot of other jerks out there made him so.The same reason UFC fighting and wrestling is so popular.It appeals to the Neanderthals out there.Hey ,don't get me wrong.If Don can make a living at it then good for him and if that's what the Neanderthals want then good for them.One can only hope that society could elevate themselves above such nonsense. Meanwhile it's "BREAD AND CIRCUSES"

Ian G Cobb's picture
Agreed, Longbow

ouch...i take offense longbow lol....I am that common denominator...i don't take everything he says as gospel but the man knows his hockey and there is a reason most players respect him. Don Cherry is not a jerk he is just caught in a time warp at times. His intention is to teach kids honour, loyalty, clean but tough play. ....basically everything a sport is supposed to be..what exactly has he done that makes him a jerk to everyone? Give me an example of what he has done that is so bad.....to anyone but the thought police that is. Seriously what has he done...he has never done anything to really warrant any of the ill feelings some have towards him...he isn't shy to speak his mind....but is that so wrong? You don't have to agree with him.

longbow's picture
I must reply Krob 1000 I admire Don Cherry for speaking his mind.I admire Don Cherry for teaching the proper etiquette of sports to millions of children across the world.Loyalty is great,honor is great,tough play is fantastic!Yes he is in a time warp - I am glad that you acknowledge that fact because that is the most important aspect about Don Cherry.All the good points that he teaches are erased horribly by his lack of time perception. He teaches kids to not wear visors,he teaches racism and he teaches barbarism in a sport that is far too often vilified in the media - namely the U.S, where the game is 'continually on sale.' It makes you wonder if fellows like Sean Avery grew up as Cherry fans and how many little Avery's have been bred and continue to be bred by Cherry';s rantings?I say Cherry's time has come and gone and surely there is a Barak Obama of hockey skating around somewhere that can teach all the right qualities of sports such as loyalty etc...one who also preaches a compassionate ,less ignorant side to sports and humanity.

I don't think he teaches racism...that is taking it a lot further than it is...what he tries to do is take pride in being Canadian...othing wrong with that...there shouldn't be a need to bash others and it should be left at praising Canadians..taht I am fine with. Things like him not wanting Euros in Junior hockey I disagree with...we send ours down to play in the NCAA. My pint is that he has done far, far, far, far, more good for the game and those that take only the negative from his message are not IMO examining his value objectively instead getting hung up on apoint or viewpoint they find offenseive or disagree with...noone is claiming he is an eloquent speaker but his benefit and contribution to the sport IMO is undeniable IMO. Hall of fFame builder....IMO. Sean Avery? He is actually the only palyer I can think of who has publicly insulted Don with his shin pads and magazines comment. Don blasted Avery ....so ...no. I really think that Don does teach the best aspects of PROFESSIONAL SPORT (with respect tot he fighting and rough stuff) and he does reach fair, clean, hard play with kids. He doesn't believe in goons but he believes the game needs to be self policed...as it always has been...he wants the instigator abolished....so do all the players. The visor issue...he was behind the times on that one...even my men's league is making it mandatory next year.

Robert L's picture
Well then I am missing something here! Could you please list just a few of his contributions to hockey that have beneficial to the game other than having promoted himself real smooth over the years. And don't even mention the Rock 'Em Sock "Em series. I get that he does teach on ice respect to a point. That I'll give him hands down.

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-He has brought the game into households that otehrwise wouldn't have wathced it. -He always advocates respect on the ice. -He praises and thanks the grass roots of canadian hockey at every opportunity (the several hjundred thousand volunteers). -He brings a personality that has been marketable enough to make him known even south of the border and his contribution to the income of the game is something that is a benefit to every player and employee of the league. -He teaches the basic of the game and is always quick to point out the things a player should never do (shoot wide on anodd man rush, block shots improperly, screen your own goalie,play the body not the puck, take away time and space, stand your ground or lose it forever,etc) - He teaches the importance and relevance of being a teammate not just a member of a team. -he teaches honour, loyalty, respect to those who paved the way for you, he teaches to never forget your roots and wher you came from. -here is one som eof you harping about compassion will hate to swallow...for all of his toughness he is brought to tears nearly every week for a soldier, or minor hockey player,etc he doesn't even know....a real animal and neandrathal that Cherry is...how many hockey men cry on national tv and then have the balls to get right back up there and preach tough hockey. -Is there a bigger supporter of Canadian hockey alive.....would the world juniors and national teams be fawned over as they are without Don backing them for so long? Think about it...were they before Don? -How many of you remember sitting around listening to Don with your parents or friends to a memorable episode of Coasches Corner. -Don also teaches humility as he always the first to admit that his players and especially Bobby Orr are a main reason he is where he is today -Don helps promote the Prospects game every year along with Bobby Orr to give the game more credibility and star power (you know those kdis listen to every word he says) -Don teaches persistence and tells kids to never give up and stop listening to people who tell you you can't .....he preaches for parents and coaches to never give up on kids. -Don preaches the benefits of hard work and the importance of always giving your all and putting the sweater before the player. -Don tells parents to stop meddling with coaches and push their kids too hard and always emphasizes the importance of fun inthe game...even at the professional level..he is always quick to show clips illustrating comeraderie and sportsmanship So Robert those are just a few (I've gotta go eat my lunch now)without even touching on his actual career as a coach and player so if you take your personal blinders I am sure the picture is getting clearer...now it's up to you to simply choose denial or concede that the man is not as evil as you wish he were because he is a BRuin and Leaf fan.

Robert L's picture
My reply is posted on page one.

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ok I'll bite but where is page one? what thread?

Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
What you've described, mostly, is what I know to be true of most church-going men in their 70's that I've grown to know over the years. -They've seen the ups and downs of life, but never give up. -They're loyal & unchanging. -They have a strong work ethic. -They support the troops. -They want kids to succeed through discipline and hard work. -They cover their buddies' backs. -They tend to be politically incorrect and innocently racist. -They encourage fighting for causes and standing up for what you believe in. Don Cherry, God lov'em, is a great guy. A grandpa to brag about and look up to. An eccentric old-timer who teaches & preaches the same message incessantly. In fact, many of those 70-something year old guys I know do the same stuff as Don does, and I sincerely respect them all for that. A Hockey Hall of Famer they are not. And neither is Don "Grapes" Cherry. His on-air persona is arrogant & ignorant. Entertaining? yes. A showman? for sure. Proud? oh, yea. A big heart? absolutely. A team guy? without a doubt Insightful about hockey? not on his show. A teacher & great mind of the game? on the basics (with all due respect to Don as a good man, he'd be schooled by a guy like Joel Bouchard on the finer points of the game) Inspires people to love hockey and play? on air, don't think so (people I know who are nominal fans usually laugh at the mention of his name) Motivates people to watch his segment on HNIC? yes, because of the sheer entertainment value (i stopped watching him years ago - got tired of the same rants) Hockey Hall of Fame 'builder' inductee worthy? NO. not in my opinion. What he's built is his show, TV persona, bar/restaurants, a phat retirement fund, and support for the Canadian military via his celebrity status. What the little monkeys are to Subway, Don Cherry is to hockey. I can't believe I've wasted so much time on this. Wow. I won't anymore.

Habsrule1's picture
krob....you're more willing that I am to open his eyes. He obviously does not want to see it. I've told him all that Don has done is too much to list. You did a good job, but there's much more. Just what he's done for my children & my neices & nephews alone to teach them about hockey would be enough to get him into the hall of fame. All people like Robert want to see is the negative, and they are blinded by the few things he says that they do not agree with. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

Robert L's picture
Cherry's popular because of a lot of stupid people believing he knows a lot about hockey today. He's been irrelevant going on 20 years now.

So can you think of one pro hockey player ...even a family member if one exists who would go on public record claiming you know more about hockey than Don Cherry! lol come on Robert .... he isn't afraid to be loyal to the teams and players he prefers (perhaps his biggest pot stirring factor) but to pretend that anyone on here knows hockey like Don Cherry is beyond laughable. How about this when you win the Jack Adams trophy and host a regular show on the biggest possible forum for decades and garner the respect of virtually the entire league for a quarter of a century you come back and we'll resume this until then look in the mirror and see irrelevance like I do every morning.

Robert L's picture
You comparing me to Cherry? I think you missed the point. It doesn't amount to crap that he's loyal, won a Joke Adams, and has a show. Trailer Park Boys don't have a shown cause they are Einstein's. They are on because they're simply entertaining. But I will say this, Cherry is no way as knowledgeable as he is given credit for. Not once in all the year's I've watched him, has he ever said a thing that I've found provacative. He'll rattle on about helmets, visors, hitting from behind etc...all the usual schtick. His forum is called Coaches Corner, but does he ever pick apart the game, break it down, analyze it, go into great detail about what makes good player's tick and what runs good team. I'm sure he has all kinds of great insight to offer, but where is it. I've heard and reads tons of wisdom and vision from smart hockey minds, and never once has Cherry struck me as anyone I would hand a team to in trust. He looked great in the NHL coaching Esposito and Orr, but in junior with Mississauga, he was a fiasco.

Howie Meeker tried that and was run off of television...Don could do it but it would only be us diehards that would care to follow it. To be honest it's a big reason I like this site because we do that....simple reality though is that even as hockey fans we (the hardcore) are int he great minority and the broader issues and surface stuff is as involved as the typical fan cares to be involved. He does on occasion (when no broader topic is currentyl int he news) get somewaht detailed and tackle the finer points but you are right they are rare....why is what I would challenge...yes the show caters to the masses and so int hat respect I understand your frustration but really....that doesn't mean he doesn;t know what he is talking about. As for the Espo and Orr stuff.....do you really think guys like that would play for a guy they thought knew nothing and didn't respect?

Robert L's picture
Meeker did it for about four or five seasons. After that, he became redundant. I learned an awful lot from Meeker. I still recall one episode of "stop it right there's" where he broke down Bob Gainey's positioning and angling himself to a puck carrier to explain in great part the success he had in shutting down players. "And Golly Gee Whiz, if i could skate like Gainey, I'd still be playing!" I get that it doesn't sell anymore, but that was beside my point. Of course Orr and Espo respected Cherry, he was a good and very legitimate coach. A great one? Not even close.

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Habsrule1's picture
Sorry Rob....I've read your stuff, and my uncle Don knows way more than you about hockey. you might get there though....who knows? Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule