The shakeup continues ...
posted by Mike Boone at 15h51 EST on Feb 17
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Submitted by bolder on Wed, 02/18/2009 - 08:52.
What a joke .... They recall Steward and don't play him. He should be in the line up and dandy back on defence. As always Carbo has to have a defencemen playing forward. This man has no clue in the direction that is required to make this team go.
Submitted by Habbu on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 23:26.
Stewart may not have the skills of SK but he works hard on every shift and will go with anyone. Doesn't win them all but shows up....the kind of grit this teams needs right now.
Submitted by Habitant in Surrey on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 22:05.
...Kovalev needed this badly ...it will either turn him around ...or he must be traded or waived ...for the sake of the young players to find themselves and not be further influenced by Kovalev's work ethic
...Kostytsin I like ...he is young ...he is one of those poorly mentored by Kovalev ...I hope he comes back ...he should be playing with his brother
...Stewart is something we lack ...push-back ...hope he has the skill to go with it
...Schneider ? ...39 ? ...for a second round draft pick ? ...in normal times this is more than I would pay for a 39/40 year with a huge salary and UFA ...BUT he is a former-Hab that can get a few young heads in the room to better understand and cope with Habs' Fans scrutiny and focus on getting things turned around and playing hard ...also a certain up-tick for the power-play
...fresh air can do wonders ...look at the Senators' play lately
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049
Submitted by Woah_Dana on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 22:13.
"Kostitsyn I like ...he is young ...he is one of those poorly mentored by Kovalev"
That could very well be, & it's probably great that the two are separated at this time.
GO HABS!
Submitted by Yeats on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 19:34.
I told you that there would be some surprising moves over the course of the next two games. But to be fair, I warned you that they might not be good.
Submitted by secretdragonfly on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 21:02.
Thanks Cassandra - in waiting mode now.
Submitted by Yeats on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 21:28.
It took the effort of a fart to call this one.
Submitted by The Teacher on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 19:47.
He gave them every possible opportunity to improve their play. He's patient, but don't play games with him. He decided he had enough of the BS, and he did it with force.
Submitted by fun police on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 17:20.
i guess gainey is out to prove that you can fire 23 players and keep your coach.
Submitted by Bill on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 22:10.
Too damn funny! One of the best lines ever.
Submitted by Chorske on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 19:24.
After watching this group sleepwalk and tiptoe through a dozen games... well, it seems to me that the only guy who seems physically revolted by all the losing and poor performances is the coach.
I'm in the same camp as those who think firing the coach only has short-term benefits. It doesn't solve deeper issues of character or personal conflict or plain old luck.
Submitted by wd40 on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 17:13.
i've got no issue with these moves for the simple reason i have watched the last 13 games. there is simply no way this can make us a worse team, less enjoyable to watch, or decrease our chances of making the playoffs.
Submitted by Mike on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 17:03.
Higgins - Koivu - D'Agostini
A. Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Pacioretty
Bégin - Lapierre - Kostopoulos
Laraque - Chipchura - Dandenault
Thats a bloody joke.
Our team is crap now. Who are other teams afraid of? No 1.
We Went from having no rookies and no defense man on offense to having a joke of a team. Carbo is a fool.
Submitted by Xtrahabsfan on Wed, 02/18/2009 - 11:38.
L a r a q u e
Submitted by Nicolas St-Henri on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 17:00.
I'm not sure if I truly like the moves on AK27 and SK74 yet...but one thing's sure : I like the shock value of them!
Submitted by Harani on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:52.
Ak27 was asked by Gainey to stay home, rest and clear his mind. He was against it at first but heeded to his boss' orders. The most fishy thing:
Kovalev, qui n’est pas blessé, était contre l’idée au départ, mais il a finalement accepté le conseil de son patron. Kovalev n'a pas demandé à être échangé et il veut demeurer à Montréal, mais "l'avenir dictera s'il demeurera à Montréal ou non", de dire Gainey.
Can we expect a frustrated Return of the Kovy we all know and love?
Submitted by HAB-PROFESSOR on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:56.
too bad this bad news comes out today...during the great Stew news....
maybe this is good for KOVY, and is the only way to send him to the pressbox without really sending him.
Interesting that it came from the big guy BG.....Kovy will be fine.
this may be just what the doctor ordered.
Submitted by James on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:54.
If so, that will only drive up his trade value, which would be great for us as he WILL be traded before march 4th.
Submitted by mrhabby on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:54.
maybe ak27 is frustrated for reasons other than hockey.
Submitted by eyhp on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:42.
Did anyone saw this from RDS:
Alex Kovalev n'accompagne pas ses coéquipiers à Washington. Fatigué, il est resté à Montréal.
Kovy getting traded soon??
Submitted by Chorske on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:51.
Now I have officially heard everything. Lamest excuse to miss a game, ever.
Submitted by Harani on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:41.
Kovy is out for tomorrow! It simply says he's tired from the trip so he'll stay back.
Me likey the trios..well kinda better than what we've seen to date. This makes more sense:
Higgins - Koivu - D'Agostini
A. Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Pacioretty
Bégin - Lapierre - Kostopoulos
Laraque - Chipchura - Dandenault
Submitted by mrhabby on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:51.
apparently BG asked him to stay back.
Submitted by Chuck on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:54.
Perhaps Bob is going to have a long walk/talk by the St. Lawrence with him.
Submitted by gmd on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:50.
He's tired! Is that seriously what it says? Tomorrow I'm calling my boss "hey it's me, I'm not coming in today because I'm tired.
If that's true it't time for Kovy to go. He can drive off into the sunset with his new truck he won at the ASG. Of course he'll have to pull over into the road side rest stops because he's tired.
Submitted by Mike on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:40.
BLOODY RIDICULOUS. IS THE THE NEW RYDER FOR THE COACH.
Submitted by HabsFan2 on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:45.
Sergei scored 30 goals? Which season?
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Submitted by wd40 on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:37.
good.
Submitted by The Cat on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:37.
I like that SK is sent down, trade his brother while were at it too, better yet trade both of them.
Submitted by HabsFan2 on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:38.
Yeah, trade our leading scorer. Lay off the cat-nip.
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Submitted by The Cat on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:40.
I dont care who scores points and all that, I look at who disappears when the games get tough.
Submitted by ENV on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:49.
I agree, cat. The two prime candidates for "Kovy in training" are the brothers K. Sergei is still wet behind the ears and he thinks he can take shifts off. Andrei, on the other hand, seems to think he can take 4/5th of a game off, so long as he get his one scoring chance. Hopefully this wakes the younger one up, and remind the older one that he has to skate.
Submitted by nick on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:44.
Who doesn't disappear from the team? Sure the Kostitsyn's are having a tough go right now... But are they seriously doing that much worse than the majority of the team?
Lets not forget, back in January it was the Bro's and Lang who had put up nearly 30 points in 6-7 games. Funny how people forget things.
Submitted by HabsFan2 on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:44.
That would be most of this team.
Why pick on the one guy (so far) that can put the puck in the net?
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Submitted by mjames on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:29.
These latest moves are dumb. We have another T Kosto with slightly more skill. He will be chasing the puck around just like rest of this lost team. I hope Washington creams us. I want this mess to be brought to a head. Carbo is a first class dolt.
Carbo has declared war on Sk74. He wants to break him. All he has done is further alienate and split the team. I am sure there are those that support Carbo and those that do not . Carbo went after Ryder, O'Bryne, Perezhogin. Now he is after SK74 and Halak. Just another example of his misuse of players. This is the first time I have see an player get demoted based on on the fact that he parties. Did SK74 hit anyone, get into a fight, shoot himself, beat up a woman, etc. If this team is going to have team police following them around then hell I can understand them wanting out of this asylum.
For those Carbo's fans watch how this team sinks into last place. Right now they are the worst team in the league. Tomorrow night they will prove it again.
8-1
mjames
Submitted by James on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:38.
Man what team are you watching?
SK74 has played a maximum of 5 games this season in which he looked like an NHL player.
Right now, he's an AHL caliber forward, so he should be in the AHL. Not saying he doesn't have potential to be a good NHL forward. I'm just saying he isn't yet.
Submitted by HabsFan2 on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:37.
Carbo? You do know Gainey is the GM and not Carbo, right?
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Submitted by bigbird76 on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:34.
If Carbo was going after him this will still be good for him, does him no good playing with Begin and LAraque. Hell get plenty of ice time in Hamilton put up some points and get some confidence. I think he has lots of skills, but lost his drive lately.
Submitted by mjames on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 18:51.
Agree on you point wiht who he is playing with.
mjames
Submitted by Gary320 on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:31.
Oh COMMON, it's not because he partied.. He's been having a lack-luster season. SKOS hasn't been doing anything that warrants him a stay here..
Submitted by Timo (not verified) on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:29.
That's the move I can get behind. Sort of. I still would rather Sergei played better but if this will give him a good kick in the a$$ I am all for it.
Submitted by HAB-PROFESSOR on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:35.
TIMO, at least we're getting closer to playing like tough SOB, GRIT...on paper anyway.
take a look at Calgary's roster, one tough SOB canadian roster they've got there...now that is the extreme, but we need to head in that direction.
80% GRIT, 20% Finesse....we have it backwards right now, but its changing..
Submitted by TripleX on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:33.
GM Burke was on Hockey Central. What a revelation! He was unafraid to answer any question asked about the team and individual players. He talked about what he plans to do to improve the team, what he thinks about the current roster who he wants to trade and keep. He even told what he said to Kaberle's agent about a possible trade! He was completely open and transparent. Talk about the polar opposite of BG. I had to laugh when he said that if he is pissed about a player the media will know about it. He also said there are no untouchables on his team, he does not believe in that bulls**t.
ps he said he liked the Schneider move by BG. said that BG beat the rush to the deadline.
Submitted by James on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:40.
Surprised he approved on BG getting Schneider - considering BG probably called him first inquiring about Kaberle and declined his too-steep asking price...
Submitted by mrhabby on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:52.
he loves to hear himself talk , always did always will.
Submitted by Mike on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:27.
THIS IS B.S. Carbo is a freaking idiot!!!!
Submitted by RetroMikey on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:23.
One cancer gone.
Gregory Stewart will give us grit and play hard every shift.
And he will listen to Carbo, and not be a whiner.
"We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets"
Submitted by boy from school on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:33.
i think that's a bit harsh. while his play has been shabby at best most of the year, he's still a young kid who's emotions factor very heavily into his play on the ice. i think (hope) hamilton will do him some good, but i think it's an exaggeration to call sergei kostitsyn a cancer.
sergei's pretty gritty too, just needs to hone it more.
Submitted by RetroMikey on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 19:26.
I`m not being harsh at all towards Sergei it`s just the facts.
I remember going to the Bulldogs games when Sergei played a mere 20 or so games and I can tell you from my personal experience that Sergei was not a welcome addition in the dressing room among his peers.
When the Habs get back on track, everybody will forget about Sergei being in Hamilton, an overrated player in my opinion.
But I do wish him well in Hamilton riding the buses as others have in our organization and hope he gets his mojo back in his game.
His attitude and personality must change for the better as well.
"We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets"
Submitted by HAB-PROFESSOR on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:23.
I Consider this BIGGER NEWS than SCHNEIDER.....
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1.Kovalev is now in his prime, he just needs linemates at his level..
2.VETERAN YOUTH: PAX, D'AGS, OBYRNE, STEW, WEB & BELLE must stay/be on the team to contend for the cup.
3.The "HENRY Effect" is key to our success in the post season.
Submitted by joe the pro on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:21.
again, its not the coach, players don't care anymore to win a cup. they all still get paid. a good idea is to put gainey with carbo behind bench and kick some *** and egos.
Submitted by bigbird76 on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:23.
i doubt PRice would clear waivers
Submitted by solsub on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:24.
Price hasn't played 160 regular season games yet. He isn't eligible to be put on waivers.
Submitted by Gary320 on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:27.
That's for a player.
For a goalie it's 80 games.
Submitted by Malreg on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:26.
If I'm not mistaken, goalies only need to play 80 games before they have to go through waivers to be sent down.
Price CANNOT be sent down without clearing waivers.
Submitted by James on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:31.
More precisely he CAN be sent down without waivers, but he can't be CALLED UP without clearing - thus why it's called re-entry waivers.
Submitted by Gary320 on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:33.
No, he would have to go through waivers no matter what.
13.4. Waiver Draft/Regular Season Waivers. With the exception
of those exempt Players set forth below, Players party to Player
Contract must be cleared through the waiver draft and/or regular
season waivers prior to being assigned to a minor league Club:
Submitted by James on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:34.
Damn! I stand corrected, thanks for that info - and sorry for sounding so certain when I hadn't looked up the exact ruling.
Submitted by solsub on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:30.
Actually I looked into it and it's only 60 games (cumulative regular season and playoffs) for goalies of 21 years of age. So yeah, it looks like he'd have to clear. My bad.
Submitted by nick on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:18.
Ok perhaps he needed it.
But seriously, on another note... what kind of message does it send to young players when they get benched repeatedly, sent to and from Hamilton, when seasoned vets, who are the so called superstars of the team, getting paid ridiculous amounts of money play worse, make ridiculous mistakes... and still have a regular spot on the ice?
Submitted by Bryan on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:23.
I agree in theory. However, Sergei isn't the same as MaxPac or D'Agostini. He HASN'T shown the grit and hunger that the other young guys on the team have.
And you simply can't scratch a guy like Kovalev. Like it or not, he's our most talented player.
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In Saku we trust.
Submitted by nick on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:32.
Kovalev is the top guy. The guy who should be scoring the goals when all hope is lost (well in theory anyways)...
Here are stats... (oooo don't we love stats!)
Vancouver 4, Montreal 2
Kovalev 0 Shots.
Montreal 4, Colorado 2
Kovalev 0 Shots.
Edmonton 7, Montreal 2
Kovalev 2 Shots, 1 Assist.
Calgary 6, Montreal 2
Kovalev 0 Shots, 1 Assist.
Toronto 5, Montreal 2
Kovalev 2 Shots, -1, 1 Assist.
4 shots, in the last 5 games. Forget that he's on the top line. A weeeeeee bit on the ridiculous side no? Tell me, if that doesn't warrant a little rest in the press box, what does? Ooooooo right. Must be not getting any scoring chances on the 4th line with Laraques. On that note, it'll be awesome to see who the Habs new whipping boy is now that Sergei is back in Hamilton.
Submitted by Bryan on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:35.
I agree that Kovy needs to get his *** in gear if we are to start winning, but you don't bench your "top line" (sigh) player and your alternate captain.
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In Saku we trust.
Submitted by nick on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:41.
Everyones been talking about a shake up. Shake things up. If you sit Kovalev, perhaps the guys will realize that their not untouchable... That they might actually have to play for a contract next season.
Lets face it, for the most part - all there is now is a bunch of guys skating around the ice waiting for the mail man to deliver the next Ferrari / Plane / small country payment. :P
Submitted by Bryan on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:18.
Who gets sent down with Tanguay comes back?
IMO, Paciorrety. He's played well, but his game is too incomplete. He'll be a top 6 forward on the team next year for sure.
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In Saku we trust.
Submitted by mjames on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:15.
What is the point of Mike Boone's post? If Higgins, Price and SK76 are a problem then get rid of them. Somehow I don't think they are. Maybe they want out of from Carbo. If we do get rid of them Carbo will come up with another three amigos to blame. Incidentally it would be nice if someone wrote something on the coaches. What is their role in the team's current performance ? Stubbs reports that Carbo says he is still employing the same system as he was at the beginning of the year. Can someone who has access to him please ask what is that system? One last thing, Carbo is a first class a-hole for blaming the Vancouver loss on Halak. I wish Gainey would step forward. I actually hope that Washington skates us out of the rink. It would like to bring this torture to an end.
The team's current performance is not all the fault of the players. Yes they have role but it is not all their fault. It would be nice if Boone , Stubbs , Hickey said something about this.
mjames
Submitted by zak on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:37.
Higgins has been with the team the longest ;he should know better a be a leader.He has an "A"
Submitted by James on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:41.
Doesn't have an A anymore, Komisarek has it
Submitted by solsub on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:15.
Sergei!? Bu...bu...but... what about the Three Amigos!?
Seriously though, it's a sound move by the club. We can use some of Stewart's grit down this stretch. I just hope that Sergei doesn't blow a gasket and screw something up. He'll be back, I'm sure.
Submitted by Harani on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:12.
Sergei is the type of guy to be pissed when something liek this happens and usually it's for the better. I'm sure he like playin' up here with these guys than the Bulldogs!
And it's a clear message for him to start working because D'Ags and MaxPac stay up here. If he had performed, they could have been the ones to go down.
Sergei will be back and on fire!
Submitted by MikeL on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:14.
He didn't even like being sent to Hamilton the first time, and that was when he had zero NHL experience. I'm kind of worried about how he handles this.
Submitted by HAB-PROFESSOR on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:11.
WELL FOLKS, we just had 2 equally great moves these past few days.
Schenider and STEWART. We've just moved up on the NAG scale.
AWESOME!!!!!!!!...can't wait till WED.
glad you've been reading my posts Carb! (or gainey!)!!!
here is another piece of advice, don't dress PLEK for Wed.
Submitted by James on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:36.
"the NAG scale"
that's funny Prof
Submitted by TripleX on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:09.
Good move? Hardly! Do you think his brother is going to be thrilled about this? Another bum boy creation of the great Carbo, put him on a fourth line with pluggers where he is destined to fail. Send him down to totally demoralize and destroy any confidence he had left. Bring up another low skill forward to chase after the puck and pontificate at the feet of the great Carbo. I truly believe Carbo is going to play Schneider on a forward line. Washington is going to annihilate this squad, how many points for Ovy and Green.
Submitted by Gary320 on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:29.
I'm fed up with this favoritism and making people happy ***.
If Andrei isnt happy because his brother is playing lack-luster hockey, then he can suck too and go to Hamilton. It's about doing what is BEST for this team, not to make so and so happy.
Submitted by Shobud on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:38.
Well if it doing best for the team send Carbo to hamilton and bring up Lever
Submitted by Harani on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:14.
Sergei doesnt seem to me like the type of guy who feels all dejected and down. On the contrary, he is the type to get angry and show that he is worth. His character is pretty intense and strong. He'll back up in time for his next match-up against Grabs.
Submitted by RetroMikey on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:16.
Don't bet on him being recalled this season.
He'll be stuck playing in my hometown Hamilton for along time.
"We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets"
Submitted by Sags on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:13.
Who cares what his brother thinks....Is Andrei running the team now?
Submitted by nick on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:23.
Probably not, but he's leading in scoring. So thats gotta count for something :P
Submitted by HAB-PROFESSOR on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:13.
Send Andre down too...
Submitted by James on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:24.
Andrei has played too many games and if you send him down, he'll have to clear re-call waivers on the way back up.
As much as I know you despise Euros, it would be pretty dumb to lose him for nothing.
Submitted by Sags on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:06.
Perfect.
Next thing is to trade Kovalev, Higgins and Plek's, maybe include Price in a deal for Lecavalier and Mike Smith. Smith and Halak would play well in the Canadiens nets.
Don't resign Lang....resign Saku on a home discount for 1 year as teams 2nd or 3rd line centre.
Submitted by Harani on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:08.
Price is not goin' anywhere! Your maybe before Price proves that it won't happen!
Submitted by mrhabby on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:08.
Take Price out of the eqaution and i like that but they want Markov..would you do it.
Submitted by Sags on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:12.
mrhabby, at this point I'd include Markov in a trade for Lecavalier. Markov is playoff soft. I'd include Price too. Smith is a gamer. Tough and still young. Good Kingston boy :)
Price, Markov, Pleks, Higgins and a pick for Vinny and Smith....
Submitted by James on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:22.
You are out of your mind. Did you take your pills this morning?
How do you know Vinny is not 'playoff soft'? Much like Markov, he points-per-game drops significantly in the playoffs. And he has exactly the same playoff experience (40 games).
Vinny has never proven to be a playoffs game breaker - and don't start with the Lightning's Cup! He was 4th in scoring ON HIS OWN TEAM during these playoffs.
Submitted by Sags on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 17:17.
Doesn't matter James....fact is, he played a role in winning a Cup. Markov has not....sorry, end of story.
Submitted by mrhabby on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:20.
who do you replace markov with???
come to think of it..they would not want Kovy.
they want something like this..markov, higgs, (maybe pleks)subban, mcdonaugh and some pics.
Submitted by Sags on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 17:34.
Markov, Higgins, Pleks and Price for Vinny and Smith...keep PK, McDonaugh and picks
Markov and Plek's are too soft. Higgins and Price are over-rated and party too much. They can't handle Montreal's nightlife....apparently.
PK and McDonaugh will replace Markov in time...
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