About last night ...

posted by Mike Boone at 6h32 EST on Feb 20


Well, at least the scandal isn't that scandalous.

The big La Presse scoop concerns links between the Kostitsyn brothers and Pasquale Mangiola, a 38-year-old Montrealer with a criminal record who was arrested last week in Operation Axe, a massive crackdown on the city's drug trade.

The story does not accuse the brothers or Roman Hamrlik – who is also, the story alleges, a pal of Mangiola –  of any criminal activity.

The players are friends with a suspected wiseguy.

On a 1-to-10 scale of problems afflicting your Montreal Canadiens, that's a 6.

Coaching? That might be an 10.



The Canadiens were trailing by one goal with 90 seconds left in last night's game. Marc-André Fleury had been shaky. The equally inept Carey Price was poised to leave his net for an extra attacker.

Whom did Guy Carbonneau have on in pursuit of a tie and a valuable point in the Eastern Conference standings?

Maxim Lapierre, Tom Kostopoulos and Gregory Stewart.

Give me a break.

Jacques Demers, on L'Antichambre after the game, was flabbergasted.

"I always defend coaches, but ..."

But some of these strategies are indefensible.

In Washington, Carbo used Kostopoulos in the 4-on-4 OT.

On the Capitals' tying goal, David Steckel beat Maxim Lapierre on the draw, got the puck back to the point and went to the net. Lapierre did not follow to tie Steckel up.

I love Max. He's a fine young player who's going to be a steady third-liner.

He is coached by Guy Carbonneau, Doug Jarvis and Kirk Muller – three guys who excelled at defensive-zone faceoffs.

What the heck is going on with this team?

The Canadiens did not tie the game with Max and TtB and Stewart on the ice in Pittsburgh. They did not gain a point in the standings.

They come limping back from the road clinging to sixth-place. They're in a logjam with the Rangers, Florida and Buffalo, Carolina and Pittsburgh aren't far back.

I thought the shootout loss in Washinton would change the Canadiens' season.

It didn't. 

I don't know what to think anymore. This will be a brief edition of About last night ...., and then fans posting to Comments can explain this mess to me.

Here's what I know: a third line of Max, Tom the Bomb and Stewart is not going to lead this team into the playoffs.

The Canadiens need scoring. And you know what that means:

Welcome back, Alex. We missed you.

Here's something else I know: A 39-year-old defenceman can't play 51 total minutes on consecutive nights.

Mathieu Schneider got a goal on a Canadiens power  play that has come back to life. But he had a very tough time 5-on-5 and finished the game minus-4.

The Canadiens had three shots in the first period. At the other end, Carey Price was having another off-night.

Positives?

As was the case in Washington, the Canadiens didn't quit. They came back from 1-0, 2-1, 3-2 and 4-2 deficits to make a game of it.

The last two games of the road trip have produced at least one top-notch forward line. Tomas Plekanec, Max Pacioretty and Andrei Kostitsyn (who probably doesn't read La Presse) were brilliant.

They had three goals and 11 of the Canadiens' 27 shots. Max-Pac is a player we'll be enjoying for years to come – if his career isn't derailed by Montreal madness.

Bob Hartley, a rookie on l'Antichambre, talked about the media scrutiny he faced while coaching in Atlanta:

"One journalist," the former Thrashers coach recalled, "with a K-Mart tape recorder that had dead batteries half the time. He'd ask me questions for three minutes and then go off to another assignment."

It's a bit more intense in Montreal – especially when there's blood in the water.

There will be questions about the Kostitsyns today.

Questions about Kovalev.

Questions about Carbo.

Questions about Bob Gainey, who has sent Sergei Kostitsyn to Hamilton. What did Bob know, and when did he know it?

There will be blood. And everyone will have fresh batteries.

 

 


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Price is an arrogant kid. He is a stiff in net. He never accepts accountability for a bad game. It's always "the other guy's" fault. If one cannot accept accountability for one's errors, then there can be no learning or growth potential. It also causes a split within the team comradery. I've been saying it since last year. So now he has blow up his nose. Is that how he dropped those 25 pounds? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I was never happy with the Huet trade. We mailed it in with that one. One hundred years of tradition. 24 players and Habsgirl on a mission.

Montrealer2's picture
I wish the Habs would get over this 'having to be bilingual' it's what's held this team to relative mediocrity for 20 years or more,.let's face it since Sam Pollock & Scotty left the fold,.the team is mediocre,...two exceptions not withstanding the '86 win & '93 miracle .but that was Won by Players who really did have pride in the 'CH' crest on the chest , the Bleu, Blanc ,Rouge........since the two rare wins,against the odds ....this team stinks ,& hasn't had a Great GM or Coach since,....I believe that Bob Gainey will be the guy to lead this weakened franchise back to health & that does take time, I in no way like to support a loser & it's been painful being a Habs fan all these years, but I was happy to see BG get back here & with that hope came the expectation of him building a Team of the future a new modern day dynasty,..but I think now he needs to look towards having a 'smart hockey thinking new head coach' who doesn't have to be bilingual (yet) someone who can motivate & utilise the players that they have right now, (Price being the exception I think they should trade him for building purposes) but let's get away from the bilingual thing & get a 'Hockey Mind' in there...Keep in mind Bob G couldn't speak a word when he came to Montreal, but did his 'talking' on the ice,in both official languages......That's what we need,..........keep Carbo in the organisation but at something he's a master at, defensive coach. If his ego can't take the 'percieved' demotion,.then FIRE HIM see how he takes that,....but let's get back to building & playing with the 'tools' we've got ( pun intended)

Aaron13's picture
Well said. It's unfortunate that this team has been in "building mode" for 15 years and we definitely need a competent coach with people skills - even if he doesn't speak French. I have no use for the French press. They constantly create mountains out of mole hills and start rumours about fantasy trades dancing through their heads. They criticize Kiovu for not speaking French. They criticize anyone who doesn't speak French. They live in a uni-lingual bubble. As for Carbs, he's an arrogant, unapologetic child that has ruined this team. He's at a complete loss. He should never have openly criticized players. He can't handle the veterans who should be having some input as to how things should run. He hates Kovalev (the Russian translator to the young Russians, including Markov) because he expresses his opinions about the on-ice system. I have no use for Carbs. Time for him to shut his gob in front of the press and focus on mending fences to make it into the playoffs. As for BG, with all due respect, he allowed the coach to drag this team down into the abyss. It's too late in the season to fire the coach. I don't envy BG. It's going to be a long, hot summer. Finally, where's the owner? He should be ashamed of himself for not taking control, and assuming some responsibility.

Steve in Kingston's picture
I think now we have enough material for that overdue HIO puckcast.

Bill's picture
"I guess Gainey is out to prove that you CAN fire 23 players and keep your coach." - Fun Police

This is the breakpoint of the season. The team will rally together and start to win as all of the pressure has been lifted off their shoulders with the focus now on off-ice issues. The Dallas Stars started to play better after Avery was sent home and this will hold true for Montreal. Players like Price, Higgins, Kostitsyn(s), and Hamrlik will step up after being humiliated. Kovalev, after seeing Ovechkin and Malkin play lights out, will return with a vengence. Everyone wanted a shake-up....here we go! GO!HABS!GO!

Habitant in Surrey's picture
...I hate to have to keep pointing this out ...notwithstanding Guy LaFleur's opinions on Kovy ...the first sense of Habs' passion & push-back has happened when Kovalev was pulled out of the line-up ...Plekanec has suddenly begun to show what he can do because with Kovalev not there means HE and AK start to Express Themselves ...Kovalev, who I agree is a very talented athlete ...if HIS mind is in-control of his body ...unfortunately his mind flies in the clouds farther-out into the ether than his plane ...Kovy, through no fault of his own is a 'seducer'...apparently of Fans and other players ...so many of his team-mates are awed with 'the POTENTIALl of his talent' ...again, notwithstanding the relatively middling reality of his real-world productivity ...give or take a season, or part of a season here as will SK when he returns ...there may be a honeymoon where Kovy has hopefully made up his mind for the moment ...that YES, he will be busting his butt ...hopefully if it occurs, this will persevere through the play-offs ...yet ...eventually ...sooner rather later ...Kovy WILL return to his ol' oblivious self Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

sidhu's picture
Trade rumors from TSN's Scott Cullen: TRADE RUMOURS - The Minneapolis Star-Tribune suggests that the Wild may have to consider moving goaltender Niklas Backstrom if he can't be signed to a contract extension. - According to the New York Post, Ducks defenceman Scott Niedermayer has an understanding with Ducks management that he won't be dealt unless he requests it. - The Montreal Gazette reports that the Canadiens have been shopping winger Alex Kovalev since the beginning of February, without any takers. - The Denver Post had the Bruins scouting Avalanche defencemen Jordan Leopold, Brett Clark and Ruslan Salei. With Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli admitting he has a wishlist that includes eight names heading into the deadline, the Boston Globe picks eight for the Bruins to target, including: Chris Pronger, Keith Tkachuk, Erik Cole, Jay Bouwmeester, Tomas Kaberle, Nik Antropov, Dominic Moore and Fredrik Modin. - As the Ducks embark on a six-game road trip, theLos Angeles Times suggests that Chris Pronger might not return to Anaheim with his teammates, noting that the Ducks should be happy to get a good young player and a first-round pick in return. Depending on the calibre of the young player, the Ducks may be able to get more than that. - According to the Ottawa Sun, the Sabres may have to consider moving ever-injured Tim Connolly, who is playing well while he's healthy, but will be an unrestricted free agent in the summer. - Amid widespread reports that Maple Leafs defenceman Tomas Kaberle has a list of at least ten teams to which he would accept a trade, the Toronto Sun notes that it's believed all are in the Eastern Conference. - The Delaware County Times reports that the Flyers may want to consider Nikolai Khabibulin if, as rumoured, he's available from the Blackhawks. The paper also has Flyers GM Paul Holmgren working the phones with Florida and Anaheim as well as Chicago. - The Winnipeg Sun mentions that Canucks goaltending prospect Cory Schneider could be trade bait as the deadline approaches. - The Tennessean reports that Predators defenceman Ville Koistinen, a healthy scratch over the last eight games, wants to be traded. - According to the Tampa Tribune, the Lightning have been mentioned in a couple of rumours, with Vaclav Prospal rumoured to Columbus (seems like a long-term deal for the Jackets to accept) and Martin St. Louis to Pittsburgh. The natural exchange for St. Louis would figure to be a package including Ryan Whitney. - The Ottawa Sun reports that the Coyotes have shopped Olli Jokinen, Derek Morris and Ed Jovanovski. The New York Post reports that the Devils may have interest in Morris or Jovanovski. - The Bucks County Courier Times says that the Flyers' rumoured interest in Chris Pronger won't subside, though it would require the Flyers to ship out significant salaries in order to create room. One Flyer mentioned as possible trade bait is third-line winger Scottie Upshall.

RH's picture
Wow! Slow day at work or what? Good job.

sidhu's picture
Copy and paste my friend, copy and paste.

Carb is better at press conferences (very composed) than he is at coaching during the games. Why doesn't anyone ask the coach what was his plan during the last two minutes of the Penguins game? Bob is, unfortunately, starting to sound like the Ottawa GM. I like it better when he doesn't say much.

jj's picture
Carbo has made some questionable decisions in the past but since the player meeting two weeks ago he's been on fire (burning away the season). Patches played two great games alongside Pleks and AK47. Now he is set to play with Chipchura and Laraque. Kovy coming back shouldn't break up the only line that gave us chances.

Papers are in distress times with their revenue going down, and scandals sell papers. The last juicy one was Bernier and his biker girlfriend Couillard, the press and the public could not get enough. Bernier is the ex foriegn affairs minister of Canada and got duped in a relationship, so its not that hard for a few hockey players to make some unwise choices. All this fuss its like he forgot Carbos play book after a sleep over

Couillard would be a great special teams coach for the Habs. They seem to know all the same people.

EastCoastHab's picture
Ok, are all the skeletons out of the closet now? Can we get back to playing hockey? Geesh, there can't be much more out there now is there? Hopefully there is some sign of relief in the dressing room now, all the secrets are out. (i really hope). The news wasn't that earth shattering anyway...I was up until 5 am last night waiting to find out more and this was it? We have all done probably worse than this! Back to hockey, back to a winning streak.

Steiner's picture
In case anyone cares, Mike Comrie traded back to Ottawa (along with Chris Campoli) for a SJ's first rounder 09 and Dean McAmmond.

Chorske's picture
That's a pretty good move for Ottawa. They were definitely thin up front already, and with Alfie gone... Il faut commencer avec le travail, et finir avec le talent. BG

The blurb on Laps is that he controlled Crosby in the Q. At NHL com you can check Laps and Crosby's time on ice, including when the shift started and ended. You can look at that yourself. Aside from that Laps -1, Crosby +1, and Crosby had 4 more minutes. Unfortunately for the Habs the NHL is not the Q, Laps is not Riseborough,and Crosby got better. Dale Hunter is the type of coach a team like the Habs need. He wouldn't follow a quick pp goal on a two man advantage by pulling the scorers and playing the pluggers. Most nights the Habs play not to lose. Surest road to defeat in any sport. As for the other matter, urinanlysis. Dale Hunter and jars. Problem over.

Ian G Cobb's picture
Gee, I'm a wise guy, or I think I am. Can't any one hang out with me????

Aaron13's picture
I'll hang with you. We can reminisce about the '70's "Trust your car to the man who wears the Star" - Stalin

Wayne's picture
Sure Ian,.. meet me at Tim's and don't forget to bring that way cool umbrella :-) We'll put the Double Double back into Double Trouble. _________________________________________________________________ "To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Don't put it out."

Wayne's picture
Questions about Bob Gainey, who has sent Sergei Kostitsyn to Hamilton. What did Bob know, and when did he know it? "Tittygate" :-) ________________________________________________________________ "To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Don't put it out."

CanadianPGA's picture
It is not the time to blow anything up; it is the time things need to come back together. Team is what I believe will fight its way through this. As of now we're in the play offs, and everyone knows what can happen post season. We have seen glimpses. When the Team needed to step up due to injuries early, they did. It can't imaginably be farther from this now. It will come together and yes, there may be new faces. Already old faces are new again! Either way this Team has done the first thing it needs to do; continue to do and nothing else matters without it. And that is fight for the 2 points. Play with passion. And never give up. It's been way too long for this to rejuvinate. Les Canadiens will always rise. And from this despair their climb has begun, as a Team. And yes, hopefully, welcome back #27. New canvas La'Artiste...

the habs need solid goaltending to win. i hope price can manage. olay olay olay nice rump

Wayne's picture
I agree. Price has been dismal. Then again, in a machine with many parts, he's not the only part that's busted. _________________________________________________________________ "To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Don't put it out."

port elgin's picture
Price sucks, plain and simple, all he cares about is partying. Hey way to go Bob, thx for trading Huet ( who is on fire) for nothing. Thx for the Kostytins, bunch of bums, way to go bob.

Properly speaking the Kostitsyn's wouldn't be a bunch of bums. They could be a pair of bums, or a couple bums, playing with a bunch of bums. Or you could add in several more players, then you would have a real bunch of bums. I prefer another term, but this is a family page. You were close though.

Aaron13's picture
Bullet Bob is no genius. As I've said before, Price will never be a superstar. As for the two brothers, I'm sure there are other players that know seedy characters. Remember Tocchet? "Trust your car to the man who wears the Star" - Stalin

Aaron13's picture
There should be no questions regarding AK27. He's a veteran general. He's much smarter than the coach. RDS+La Presse = Yentas Carbo = Putz Gilette (sic) = More Chins than a Chinese phonebook "Trust your car to the man who wears the Star" - Stalin

rp25's picture
Kovy is no General..weirdo guy..

Aaron13's picture
Of course he is. You just don't get it. The fans will cheer when he steps on to the ice on Saturday. They know his worth.

DMAN's picture
I can't say I hope that Guy Carbonneau is replaced...............but if He is Bob Hartley would be an excellent replacement. Given the skill of this team and Hartley's experience I think he could take us where we want to go. Now that the daydream is over heres to hoping that Carbo can right this ship that seems to be extremely of course. ------------------- Individual records are nice to get, but before the season starts, you want to play to win the Stanley Cup! ~ Guy Lafleur

Dale Hunter would be an excellent choice. Bob Hartley would be a good choice, who is bilingual which is excellent :-)

Olay Olay Olay's picture
I've been Carbo supporter all year, through all the line juggling, through all the "I don't know" s, But He keeps saying that his best players need to be their best players but then benches them when it counts the most. For the most part I like that he rewards the guys who put in the effort but we finally start to get on track again and this happens. I just don't get it.

Harani's picture
Our Montreal Canadiens will make the Playoffs! I think all this buzz and hoopla over nothing will tick them off. Watch how they play tomoro. A big thankyou to Boone and Stubbs for not bandwagoning against the Habs that shows your true professionalism and that you follow your "Code" (make sure it's true before reporting it!). There is a hockey game to watch tomorrow people!

fun police's picture
we always talk about how ufa's wouldn't want to sign here. there is another side to that story. i guarantee you the habs are in the process of ticking off a majority of the agents in the league right now. they represent habs players in contract years and are watching their commissions going down with every game. their skilled clients are not getting enough icetime, they are not getting prime ice time and they are constantly being shuffled throughout the lineup. what do you think these agents are advising their other clients to do?

Good point. Only one thing to do to make amends; move them all before the deadline and give them real chances to fatten their points with playoff bound teams. It would be the fair thing to do.

Harani's picture
at least Kostopoulos will have a happy agent!

PrimeTime's picture
I just want to watch Hockey. I dont want to hear all this B.S. about Criminal connections amongst the players. We all have or know someone that has had some sort of criminal activities but no one is GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION. La Press disgusts me! RDS built this up last night as THE APOCALYPSE of the team. Give me a freakin' break!!!!! I would bet every dime I have and then some if any of these Tabloid Artists didnt have and dirt on them. I credit this site for not piggybacking on this non-story. Perhaps they are doing some due diligence first before commenting which is respectful reporting. I guess they learned their lesson from supporting La Foy's story on the "Kovy Leak" that he supposably spoke to a Russian reporter about not coming back. Darren Dreger at TSN killed that story! All this B.S. only gets legs because when the fans eat it up. I dont know why some do but this isnt Europe where sensationalism journalism reigns. I thought we had more common sense and were able to filter out the shit from whats important. This is now a world is of Paris Hilton admiring intelligence. I just want to watch hockey!! Get it??

JB_15's picture
So much for doug's post on the mob-related activities not hitting HIO front page...

doug's picture
yeah, spoke a bit too early

Have you heard? The big La Presse scoop is that Kovy was abducted by aliens before the game in Washington and The Management at CH covered it by telling people he needs a rest. Oh....wait...Sorry that was a National Enquirer story.....forgive me..those two papers are so alike I got confused. As for BGL. His "code" is killing us. I heard him mention in an interview on RDS that when his career was over, all he will have is respect from other players because he adhers to the code. Maybe he should check his million dollar bank account. His duty is to the people that sign his check. I can just hear opposing coaches say to their "Dure", " Just politely decline Georges offer to dance and endure his 15 seconds chatter and his code will make him go away." Don't believe it? Case and point Donald Brashear who creams Boullion and gets away with it. Maybe we can get those aliens I refered to earlier to put Kenny linseman into Coded George Laraques body.

Aaron13's picture
Flash! La Presse reports that AK27 is KGB. Kidding. "Trust your car to the man who wears the Star" - Stalin

dylan151's picture
I have been a habs fan and hockey fan for about 36 years, I bleed the Bleu, Blanc and Rouge. I have watched their ups and downs even when I was in Phoenix, AZ for 13 years. Now I am back in Malta, New York and have watched every game I could for the past 11 years. I am a dire hard fan to the end and will not give up on this team. However, my observations to what I am seeing out of the best franchise in sports, yes over the Yankees, makes me want to projectile puck like the girl in the Exorcist. Kostop may have earned the "A" to be temporarily worn on his sweater, but putting a 4th liner out with 90 seconds to play when down by 1 is very odd. I love Guy C. as a player and respected him enough and want to give him time to blossom as a coach, but some of the decisions he is making should ring a big bell in Gainey's head that maybe at this moment in time he still is not ready run the boat of a fast sinking ship. I believe Guy Lafluer's comments about the shuffling of lines do seem to be a direct relation to issues of chemistry on this team. Is firing or demoting Guy the key to the issues, maybe so - maybe not, but it may be too late at this point in the season to bother worry. Kovalev is lazy at times, but this is way deeper than him. If you look at most successful players in the NHL, most times you will find someone else who is a contributor to their success. Lecavalier - St. Louis, Ovechkin - Semin or Backstrom, Datsyuk - Zetterbeg, Kane - Toews, etc..... Who do the Canadiens have that can rank up there with some of these combinations? I am syaing that Kovalev could use someone with a close skill set to his to play on the same line. I am not sure that will completely kill his laziness at times, but it might boost his confidence a little and enable better penetration into the zone. I have pulled my hair out this year on the dump and chase. They are not the Flying Frenchman of the 70's. Also, the turnovers in their own zone and Offensive zone penalties have been a killer. Now that Matt Schnied is here that might eliminate the turnovers a little more and obviously we see the difference on the Power Play already. I cannot blame Carey Price for the Gonchar Goal, but wonder when he is going to steal a game for the Habs. All the issues should not ride on his shoulders, but taking away a goal or 2 is a really big momentum booster. They played well over the last 2 games. I give them tons of credit for not lying down on last nights game. However, my point is that maybe they do not have the correct tools to be successful. They are missing a true superstar on this team that might be able to pair up with Kovalev or groom one of the younglings to provide the tandem role I was referring to. Also, that was great they fixed the power play, but defense seems to be a major issue. Look at all the goals we gave up in the road trip, that will tell you where things are at. A top 10 defensive defenseman with stanley cup experience would help some of these younger players like Gorges, Kom, and Boullion. It does not seem like breezer or Hammer are getting it done. Gainey really needs to do something if he believes this team has any chance. If not, this season is at a loss. I do not see the Habs defeating the likes of Washington, Philadelphia Boston, or New Jersey in the 1st round. I am really sad to even say that, but I always fight to believe in the Habs no matter what. Make the right moves Bob, you have the power. "In Bob we trust" as the saying goes. Please provide the faith us fans need to keep in your new era of leadership. Jim G.

fun police's picture
great post. i was a season ticket holder when i lived in montreal. unfortunately, it was when darby, petrov, corson, zholtok, malakhov etc... were the core of the team. jason ward was our only "prospect". Gainey has done a tremendous job turning the ship around. however, i'm losing patience with his inability to make a decision on carbo. i know he essentially said earlier in the week that he was backing carbo (he sat kovy, ship sk74 to minors), but enough is enough. carbo is embarrassing himself. he thinks he is smarter than every other coach. he knows better. carbo can put a fourth line out in any circumstance because he knows better.

mrhabby's picture
cannot disgree with that post. good points all around. the fact we have not had a superstar player like a Vinny, OV etc, etc cannot be underestimated. the pressure that saku, kovy must feel to play up to the star status must be no fun at all. A player of star quality taking pressure of some players would be super. To me Saku should be a second line centre with kovy on the 1st/2nd line wing.I think this teams is at a bit of a croosroads with the older players. we could see a change of face this year give the FA's.

likehoy's picture
tanguay should be back next week so we'll have a nice roster shake up i'm going with tanguay - koivu - kovy patches - turtleneck - andrei k higgins - lapierre - dandeneault (lats when he comes back) 4th line of assorted players. - does carbo bargain for the right Price before games?

forskis's picture
Chipchura is definitely trade bait...if there is a package in a trade, he is definitely part of said package...he played awful last night...almost like he has not learned a thing in Hamilton...too bad, I had high hopes for him.

Habsrule1's picture
He'd just be a throw in. He has zero trade value. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy

GP HABS FAN's picture
Read this article in the 'other wing' http://habsinsideout.com/otherwing/j-t/15920

Habsrule1's picture
LOL do we need links to articles on this very site now? "check out The Other Wing" would probably do :-P Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy

Mitch.sc's picture
So another La presse story about nothing. Big scoop eh? this is why no one trusts you paper.

TommyB's picture
This story (mob association) simply cannot be true. If there was one single thread of truth to this story, you have to believe Grabovsky would be sleeping with the fishes by now.

The Teacher's picture
Nice.

JVF's picture
Lol!

forskis's picture
Everyone is taking these close losses harder than the blowouts...why? Because at least they had a chance to win and that just makes things more frustrating, at least with a blowout you can say they were never in it...AK46 had an open net and whiffed in the 3rd with a tie game. They are playing better, they still hold a playoff spot, there is still a quarter of the season left...they will make the playoffs and salvage this season...keep the faith, you'll see.

GP HABS FAN's picture
good call

cynic's picture
With this latest scandal on top of the dismal play of late how could anyone seriously believe this team will still make the playoffs? It's great to support the team but Holy Moses, the writing on the wall can't be any clearer... ... or do we need to place "Habs Suck" Billboards all over Montreal to get the message across?

forskis's picture
Until they are officially eliminated...there is always reason to believe...the 1971 underdog Cup is an example of never counting them out, so was the 1993 Cup... You fight until you cannot fight anymore...and if the past two games is any indication, there is still fight in them.

Habsrule1's picture
Well said, forskis, well said. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy

Ian Cobb's picture
http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1441258 Finally, thanks fellas! PK SUBBAN STORY

JasonM's picture
Great story, read it earlier today. My dream is to meet P.K. Subban and get his autograph. I really hope he does well in the next Habs training camp.

JB_15's picture
PK's dad was the principal of my middle school way back when. Very nice guy. As for the kid, I dont know him, but if he's anything like his pops im sure he's a great guy.

The Habs will most likely never attain Stanley status again when they have to compete in a league with one hand tied behind their back. We are their worst enemies. It's like being in a marriage with a spouse that expects you to be perfect and when you are not, rips you apart at every chance. Can nobody see why our "pure laine" players such as Lecavalier, Marleau, Briere do not want to play here? I don't blame them. We seem to think that the more pressure we put on them, the better they will perform. It won't happen. Christ himself could not lead this team to a Stanley cup in this quagmire of stress. Our "religion" should maybe involve a little more worship so to speak and a little less crucifixion. Jean Perron? Is he not dead yet?

Chorske's picture
I liked your line about more worship, less crucifixion. This is nothing new, we're the best fans in the world when we're winning, and the harshest when we're losing. But the one thing we will not tolerate is perceived lack of effort. It's the one thing that brings out the brute.

forskis's picture
But what about these past two games? They have been playing much better, good enough to win on most nights...yet we still see the hammer and nails coming out...this is starting to turn around for the better.,,

Chorske's picture
Fully agree. I've actually enjoyed the last couple games, despite the end result. Look, we like effort- that's what's been hardest about this slump, it's like the guys have stopped CARING about winning. I've liked the spunk that the guys have shown since washington, coming back from 1 and 2 goal deficits and fighting the good fight. That's all I ask.

oshawahabsfan's picture
Hire Boone's guru as coach, he points out our flaws in no time every time the Habs are on TSN, yet Carbo can't figure it out still

Hockey Socks's picture
I've advocated hiring Pierre McGuire as a scout for years. The guy is one of the best in the business when it comes to assessing talent. I think he likes his job in broadcasting too much, though.

Our scouting is good, it's our coaching that's bad. McGuire, imo, is terrible on TV, a shriller version of the great Howie Meeker. One who's vision is 20/20 in hindsight and who knows better than anyone what should have been done ... after the fact.

It is isn't as fun writing "monster" as it is saying it.

GP HABS FAN's picture
I think hed be 'incredulous' even if we offered him a job

JB_15's picture
Yeah I was going to say, i dont think he wants to coach again.

Hockey Socks's picture
Korneev and Emelin don't have contracts for next season. I hope Bob can lure them to North America. Korneev probably has a better chance of playing top-four minutes for the Habs (maybe with countrymate Markov) if Schneider doesn't return next season.

JB_15's picture
Yahoo! sports is calling Ovechkin's goal against us the other night the "Goal of the millenium"....

Hockey Socks's picture
Well Ovechkin called it one of the best he's ever scored. If any goal is going to be the "goal of the millenium", it's probably going to be one that Ovechkin scored.

The guy has a long way to go. Lemiux scored 20 goals better then that in his career...easily. Watch youtube if you need to see.

JB_15's picture
Fair enough, but aside from the spinarama (which was very cool) it isnt even close to the best goal in the last decade.

Chris's picture
My vote is for Doug Weight's goal with the Oilers a few years back. That one was the best one I've seen since the mid 1980's.

isirota1965's picture
I have to wonder, does Carbo have a man crush on Tom Kostopoulos?

GP HABS FAN's picture
haha, i sure hope not, but TTB is playing great

fun police's picture
again, there is no way anyone can say he is playing great. that is a lie. if he plays 18-21 minutes a game, you have to judge him accordingly. fact is he is a minus player, gets 1 shot or less a game, has 17 points and 1-2 hits per game. HE IS NOT PRODUCTIVE. you can say he works hard, but by no means is he playing great.

I think you're being unfair to Carbo Mike. If it was that line's turn to play, so be it. He has just taken the "NHL-as-house-league" concept to its natural end. I think Carbo and his assistants would be fine coaching a bunch of mites, pee wees or bantams. I like their underlying approach to the game and would let my kids play for them anytime!

craz11's picture
We don't need Laraque. We just need one of the Kostitsyn bros. to call one of their Mob Goons to take care of them on the ice!

doug's picture
While we're bashing the media... MAJOR props for no comments on this on front page on this website. I don't think it's a 6 out of 10 as Boone contends... I think it's a 2 out of 10 with it's ultimate destination unknown pending more news, if there is any.

Chorske's picture
I fully agree with you. If we're on a winning streak, this is a 0.5/10. But we're losing so it's a 2 at worst. Regardless, it's a total non-story.

Wops's picture
Exactly... far from worst day in Habs history... 2guys friend with a dealer...maybe they didnt even know...maybe they did.. Theodore's father WAS an Hell's Angel Theodore's father-in-law rapped littel girls... Thats way darker then the Kostitsyn's story partying with people who are loaded like them... _______________________________________ CH is for Chris Higgins

Xtrahabsfan's picture
I WANT VINNY with the C.H.

I think Vinny just probably narrowed the list of teams he would accept a trade to after this nonsense.

GP HABS FAN's picture
Maybe he wants to come to the Habs to save them?




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