About last night ...

posted by Mike Boone at 5h25 EST on Feb 25


If Georges Vézina was the Chicoutimi Cucumber, arguably the greatest nickname in the history of sports, what's Jaroslav Halak?

The Bratislava Beetroot?

OK, not the greatest nickname in the history of sports. Considering he hung a goose egg on Vancouver last night, maybe Halak should be the Bratislava Bagel.

We've got at least until Friday night to dream up something better.

Guy Carbonneau has decreed that his number-one goaltender is the one who's winning.

And that's the Bratislava Whatever.

Jaro Halak gets the start in Philadelphia, where the Canadiens will try to win three n a row for the first time since early January.



How good was jaro last night?

Even Red Fisher was impressed. And the Living Legend of Sports Journalism is hard to please.

Halak pinpoints Colorado as the game in which he began to get hot. He made 46 saves to beat the Avalanche, got yanked in the third period of a loss at Vancouver and has beaten Ottawa and the Canucks at the Bell Centre.

Through those four starts, Halak's goals-agains average is 2.38 and his save percentage a sizzling .944.

If those were his numbers on the season, Halak would be 10th in the league in GAA and first in save percentage.

Not bad for a player who was chosen 261 spots behind Andrei Kostitsyn – and 231 spots behind Cory Urquhart –  in the 2003 entry draft.

Not bad for a goaltender signed through next season at a bargain-basement $750,000 per.

Not bad for a guy who was pretty much forgotten as Canadiens fans agonized about The Franchise and whined about how dumb it was to trade Cristobal Huet.

For now, Carey Price is the team's backup goaltender.

We can debate whether Price would have done as well as Halak against Vancouver last night. But this is beyond dispute: The Franchise couldn't have done better than the Bratislava Afterthought.

Halak made 34 saves to shut out the Canucks. He stopped two breakaways and  stood tall, for a short goaltender, through six Vancouver power plays, including a two-minute 5-on-3.

Halak is not as physically impressive or technically gifted as Carey Price. My friend and former colleague, Michael Farber of Sports Illustrated, says Halak handles the puck worse than any other goaltender in the league.

But as Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said during his team's march to the Super Bowl, "we don't care about style points."

Dominik Hasek was inelegant. So is Tim Thomas.

The bottom line, especially at this time of the season, is Ws.

Jaro Halak is winning, and he's doing something Price hasn't been able to do: win games in which his teammates have been outplayed.

Halak stole a W in Colorado. He stole another two points last night.

The Canadiens had 17 shots – their lowest total of the season. Quality, however, trumped quantity. The great Roberto Luongo didn't have much of a chance on the Tomas Plekanec and Andei Markov shots that beat him.

Jaro Halak is not the Canadiens' only feel-good story of late February. In four games since his suspension, Plekanec has scored five goals and added two assists.

Pleks is not going to match last season's 29-goal, 40-assist breakthrough. But he had five shots last night, won 11 of 17 faceoffs and his game is coming around at the right time.

During that disastrous western swing, I was ready to throw Plekanec under the bus. He wasn't scoring, his playmaking had gone south and he was softer than a ballet slipper full of wet cow flop.

Pleks will never be a dominant, physical centre like that big galoot wearing number 13 for Vancouver. But unlike some of the other unsigned Canadiens, he is playing his way into Bob Gainey's plans for 2009-'10 and beyond.

Andrei Markov is signed for next season and 2010-'11. At $5.75 million per, Markov is the team's highest-paid player and, IMHO, the Canadiens' MVP.

Markov played 26:05, including 6:10 on the PK. He had a goal on the power play, which has scored in each of the four games since Mathieu Schneider was acquired.

On a night when too many defencemen and forwards laboured to clear the zone and move up ice, Markov stood out as the one D-man capable of skating and/or tape-to-tape passing the puck out of trouble.

He has off-nights and is guilty of too many giveaways. But Andrei Markov would play in the Top Two pairing of any team in the NHL.

And it's cool that in the meritocracy Gainey is trying to run, the Canadiens' best player makes the most money.

Compare that to the New York Rangers.

Some other players I liked last night:

Saku Koivu was 10-3 on faceoffs and tied Elmer Lach for 10th on the all-time Canadiens point list. And how fitting was it that the Captain's 623rd point was that brilliant, diving pass that found Plekanc coming out of the penalty box? Koivu won't get to Bernard Geoffrion's 759, but this season will bring him past Mats Naslund, Dickie Moore and Lach.

Maxim Lapierre did a good job on Mats Sundin. Max Squared and  Tom Kostopoulos generated a lot of energy and were the only line that forechecked Vancouver effectively.

• The 13 players used on the PK were uniformly heroic.

Gregory Stewart chipped in with six quality minutes and rallied from a sucker punch to lay some good shots on Shane O'Brien. Speaking of meritocracy, Stewart is making $500,00 this season – exactly $1 million less than Georges Laraque.

Josh Gorges played 4:50 on the PK, second only to Markov.

Patrice Brisebois became the team's number 3 goaltender ... and Price is hearing footsteps.

The Canadiens are two points up on the Rangers, for whom the John Tortorella era begins tonight in Toronto.

They're three head of Buffalo and Florida (which has a game in hand), four points up on Carolina. If the playoffs were to begin tonight, the Canadiens would be in Philadelphia.

Which is where they are Friday, riding the Slovak Strawberry ...

 

 

 

 


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Nahlsy's picture
"If Georges Vézina was the Chicoutimi Cucumber, arguably the greatest nickname in the history of sports, what's Jaroslav Halak?" Call him 'Any Port in a Storm'? At least it'd be honest.

max halickman's picture
Jaro is the man "Il faut commencer avec le travail, et finir avec le talent." BG "Start with the work, and finish with talent." Bob Gainey

Habbu's picture
Watching Max, hard to believe a year ago he was playing for the University of Michigan. His lack of experience is painfully obvious at times but for a 20 year old with that size, strength, speed and the way he thinks on the ice....man if he continues to improve the Habs could have...dare I say it?.....a bona-fide superstar in the making...

Chris's picture
Somewhat useless stat for people to peruse, since many like to point out the team's record with and without players in the lineup. Sorted by the percentage of games won in which the player played, here's the record for each player when they are in the lineup: Dandenault: 17-6-4 (63.0%) Chipchura: 8-4-1 (61.5%) Tanguay: 20-8-6 (58.8%) Brisebois: 28-15-6 (57.1%) Maxwell: 4-2-1 (57.1%) Lang: 28-16-6 (56%) Latendresse: 24-16-3 (55.8%) Komisarek: 25-16-4 (55.6%) Begin: 23-14-5 (54.8%) Gorges: 32-21-7 (53.3%) Hamrlik: 32-21-7 (53.3%) A. Kostitsyn: 30-21-6 (52.6%) Kostopoulos: 30-20-7 (52.6%) Kovalev: 31-21-7 (52.5%) Plekanec: 31-21-7 (52.5%) Markov: 32-22-7 (52.4%) MONTREAL CANADIENS: 32-22-7 (52.4%) S. Kostitsyn: 27-20-5 (51.9%) Lapierre: 30-21-7 (51.7%) D'Agostini: 20-16-3 (51.2%) Henry: 1-1-0 (50%) Schneider: 2-1-1 (50%) Bouillon: 26-22-6 (48.1%) Koivu: 21-17-6 (47.7%) Pacioretty: 11-12-1 (45.8%) Higgins: 16-15-5 (44.4%) Stewart: 3-3-1 (42.8%) Laraque: 10-9-5 (41.7%)

likehoy's picture
dandeneault is the man! koivu and higgins both have losing records but it's fair to say they JUST came back when we lost 10 of 13. - does carbo bargain for the right Price before games?

Chris's picture
That's pretty much the reason I said this particular stat is somewhat useless. It doesn't take into account that players take a while to round into shape, nor does it take into account things like the opposition. Higgins and Koivu have their numbers somewhat skewed because of all the time they have missed. I think there is some useful information: the team has struggled without Lang, Tanguay and Latendresse. I think that is something most would agree on. What is perhaps surprising is the team's record with Dandenault and Brisebois in the line-up...those two guys take a lot of flak at times, yet the team has performed far better with them in the line-up. In Brisebois' case, he's been playing throughout the entire season, so one can't really point to that his stats are skewed by missing time during a Habs slump.

Thanks for the stats. A different way of looking at things. Would be odd for sure if they were consistent across three years or so, or two teams.

Mr.Hazard's picture
LOL Strawberry. Ex nihilo nihil fit

Bonsoir, BGL! And take your "code" with you, wherever that may be. Hopefully, for your own sake - and career, you will realize that following the "code" is for "Pirates of the Carribean" fans, not professional hockey players who are signed to be an enforcer but won't enforce. Sorry, Georges, as much as I loved BG signing you, you didn't fulfill your part of the contract. Don't blame the franchise for not being honest with you - everyone this side of the Atlantic expected you to ensure we had less problems with teams taking liberties (eg. Lucic, Artyhukin, etc.)with our skilled players.

Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
Halak name suggestions: - Slovakian Stealer - Bratislavan breakaway bitch - Slovakian Seraphim - Bratislavan Barricade - Slovakian Score-slayer - Jaro 'won't give ya Jack' Halak

SlovakHab's picture
Jacques Halaque is my own one, and a personal favourite :)

Mr.Hazard's picture
Oh. Well obviously Bratislavan breakaway bitch. It's the easiest to say, and it's got a poetic, intelligent feel to it. Ex nihilo nihil fit

Kaptain K's picture
I wasnt online last night.. but all i gotta say is. WOW HALAK WOW Plekanec WOW KOIVU (for the pass to Plecs) WOW BRISEBOIS (for saving Halak's ass) oh and did i mention.. WOW HALAk

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
check the tape, Breezer caused the disaster that led to him making that goal line save...I reviewed it several times, so he just made up for his own mistake. how about WOW PAX for being in warp drive the whole game, and WOW STEWART for being a Hab with BALL(*&SSS that took on a legit heavy wieght that UNCODED (hear that La Pebble?) blindsided Stew, but then Stew returned 4 unanswered left hooks to the head.

Chuck's picture
You'd rather that he NOT have made the goal-line save? Give him some credit; regardless of how the puck ended up there, he saved Halak's shutout.

likehoy's picture
brisebois should be a zero for that suicide pass. - does carbo bargain for the right Price before games?

Chuck's picture
That pass is made on power plays all of the time. The big difference with Breezer's pass is that: a) the defender anticipated it, and b) he didn't manage to saucer it over the defender's stick.

likehoy's picture
true the pass is made all the time...breezer did it out of instinct he didn't even look to check what's going on and that will kill us against the flyers with mike richards being a shorthanded superstar. the old man has to keep his head up. - does carbo bargain for the right Price before games?

A suicide pass is when you pass it into a guys skates and he hs to turn his head or try and find the pass, can't see the freigth train that is about to run him over...usually in the middle of the rink leaving your own zone. The pass Breezer made was just a Stupid Pass (if you are referring to the one on the pp).

likehoy's picture
i know what a suicide pass is but i'm trying to change that cause it doesn't sound right...suicide is to kill yourself...but a "suicide pass" is someone setting you up for a death trap. suicide would be hurting you or your team. - does carbo bargain for the right Price before games?

The M's picture
have to agree with krob. accepting the pass is suicidal?

from the Team 990: LARAQUE WANTS OUT OF MONTREAL!

Montrealer2's picture
Show him the route to the airport,centrale station,the bus station,.or drive the dink to whichever border he would prefer............he's a BUM

Ian G Cobb's picture
ATTENTION HIO COMMUNITY! THE SUMMIT this year IN HAMILTON ON SAT. APRIL 4TH 7pm, against Grand Rapids. Tickets are specially priced at $14:00 ea. and all seats will be together on the first level. You must order your tickets yourself by getting in touch with Kyle Robinson at 905-546-8170. But you must use the password name of (THE MONTREAL SUMMIT GROUP) I have his e-mail address also at the Bulldogs office. The Bulldogs are going to have a pregame meal set up for us at 4:30 in Hamilton close to the rink. Please phone me or talk to me on line if you are going with us so I can get a proper head count. ASAP Organize your car pools and bring your Habs sweaters!

SlovakHab's picture
Wohooooo!! JACQUES HALAQUE!!!! JAROSLAV HALA-KILLER!!!! Slovakia and Montreal love you! To all the people who have repeatedly said that he is an AHL goalie at best: IN YOUR FACE!! People, let's stay realistic.. Jaroslav is our hotter goalie at the moment, and he deserves the number 1 spot until he loses it.. But Carey Price is a talented goalie who might be out number 1 goalie before the play-offs start.. So let's see how they fight for the spot and let's not throw any of them under the bus.. Right now, we can benefit from this situation: Carey Price can learn that he is not a superstar just because he was voted into the ASG. He will have to work hard to become one. At the same time, we are able to get some points, because our other goalie is doing well.

GP HABS FAN's picture
AK46-PLEK-KOVY TANG-KOIVU-LATS PAX-LAPS-HIGGINS KOSTOP-STEWART-D'AGS MARKOV-SCHNEIDER HAMRLIK-KOMI GORGES-BREEZER/DANDY

t1tan5's picture
I think this would work better: 13-11-46 67-14-27 21-40-84 22-17-70-6 79-24 8-44 26-71

Can't we just enjoy the win from our newly Anointed #1 Goalie....

t1tan5's picture
No. We wouldn't be habs fans if we didn't argue about every little thing.

Harani's picture
If you thought Ottawa had a lot of scrums, wait till we see Philly! It's gonna be a tough game but with a two-day break, the Boys look like they are upto the challenge! 3 straight?

Chorske's picture
They're without Briere. But they still have enough firepower to give us trouble, and they don't quit, ever. Plus they have the main ingredient that seems to kill us every time: second and third forward units that work aggressively and score points. We'll have to play a picture perfect game defensively, and stay out of the penalty box, to win this one- Philly has the 4th best PP in the league. They're also one of the most penalized, so let's hope our PP continues to improve. ______________________________________________________________ Il faut commencer avec le travail, et finir avec le talent. BG

t1tan5's picture
If BGL doesn't play in that game, he will have crossed the line into "Completely Useless" territory.

ReverendJim's picture
He's already there, to me at least. The games he did play he didn't do much. Besides, is he that good of an asset? I mean, NO ONE wants to dance with BGL, what impact does that have, really? Since its illegal to jump a guy, BGL is already useless.

Let's just say that sucker punch that O'Brien threw last night would not have happened with BGL in the lineup. Or that jerk going after Koivu would have thought twice. Vancouver would have been much better behaved. I would play BGL in both weekend games.

t1tan5's picture
Yeah I think that BGL's presence acts as a deterrent. Maybe we should measure his effectiveness on the ice by looking at what doesn't happen as opposed to what does. Remember Lucic cowering away behind his coach when BGL shadowed him? I think that was a great move by Carbo. Lucic would have wreaked havoc if BGL wasn't in the line up.

twocents's picture
I agree with those who argue that Andrei Kostitsyn should be moved off the line with Kovy. I think there are a few issues; Kovy slows AK46's game down too much, which takes away from Ak46's strength, Kovy gets too much of Pleks' attention, and lastly, and likely most importantly, he is simply far more effective as right winger. People have said this separately, I concur with all these analyses.

Sakattack's picture
I agree. I'd like to see these lines against Phili- Pacioretty-Plekanec-Kovalev Higgins-Koivu-Kostitsyn Kostopoulos-Lapierre-D'Agostini Stewart-Chipchura/Begin-BGL and the same defensive pairs except replace Breeze with Dandenault.

J. Ambrose's picture
Me likee. To you from failing hands, we throw the torch.

t1tan5's picture
I agree. I think AKost as Koivu's RW along with Tanguay would be a great line combo.

twocents's picture
Me too, I have been hoping for that one all season. Maybe we will get to see it next week.

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
We can draw some solid conclusions from last nights tilt... Laps/PAX/Kostop can be the premiere giant killers in this league. These chaps don't let up and can play the game at both ends - note to Carbo, do not disrupt. AndreK isn't skating, thats the problem, when he has success its by turning on the jets, we've seen it before, but right now he is the slowest of that trio. When Koviu's line gets TANGY back and Higgs is sent to the pressbox, that line will lead the Habs in scoring - Koviu/D'AGs/TAng....yeah, thats right, D'ags plays at another level beyond Higgs reach. Halak, no surprise here folks, he brought us to the door of the playoffs until Carbo screwed things up...anyway its Halaks time now, and its all good because Pricey is starting to slow boil...as he should, it will drive him. Breezing? what was that tape to tape for the VAN breakaway...that is no worse than Obryne's gaff...hope he bought Halak a new car this morning. STEWART, well you know my opinion, he should have been on the roster from GAME #1, but it takes time for the dense to see past their prejudices. He has proven himself and I know Carbo has finally taken notice. The kid is EXACTLY what we need more of, tough SOB solid hitting attitude on the ice that diffuses better than that code card carrying waste... on another note - time to deal out some JUSTICE. The following players should never see the game ice for the Habs again and/or be taken aside and severely reprimanded: Breeze/Lats/Hamr/plek/andre these are the guilty culprits who were on the ice when that abhorrent crime was committed against our good Gorges...how soon we forget. ----- "...there are indications that the severest phase of the recession is over..." Harvard Economic Society, Jan 18, 1930

J. Ambrose's picture
There's NO way Dags stays on that line in place of Higgins. He'll be lucky to stay on the 4th line. To you from failing hands, we throw the torch.

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
I vehemently disagree!

punkster's picture
Look, I'm going to head outside for a bit of energizing fresh air and exercise on this beautiful sunny winter day so I won't make a big deal out of this. However I can't resist taking a shot at some of your comments here...and I stress "your" comments. First, "we" can NOT draw solid conclusions from last night. You are certainly allowed to offer your opinions but don't include us in your "royal we". For example, "I" do not believe Higgins should be sent to the pressbox and Dags played in his place because Dags is not yet ready for prime time. He has been good overall, better when he first came up but not so great in recent games. Higgins is struggling with accuracy but so was Plek for a while and look at him now. He's a pro. He'll come around and in the meantime he works harder than most. In regards to Breeze, he is playing possibly his best hockey ever. His giveaway was unfortunate but his goal saver was critical. Score him a +/- 0. Next is Stewart. Love this kid and he has a role to play for sure. But he needs more time up here before anyone can make a definitive call on his future. You cannot compare him to BGL in any way, shape or form just yet. Finally, your suggestion of metting out justice is nothing more than blame laying. Get over it, move on. I'm sure the team has. Now, outta here for a breath of fresh air.

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
WE'VE watched higgs under achieve for the last 4 years, is it not time to move on? I agree Breezit is playing his better hockey, but it is still full of weak blunders and poor no strength play in the corners, he will be our undoing in the playoffs, he needs to be the 7th, lets not lose sight of that. Dandy should be back there, can anyone explain that one.... and what are you waiting for with Stew? he is not going to score 15 goals. His objective is to provide good checking and a tough presence, some good attitude on the ice and he has delivered 110%, therefore he stays in my books. After the code card carrying LaPebble, Stew is the only legit fighter we have, the 'kid' has had dozens of fights against some tough AHL'ers this year. Carb knows what he brings to the ice, and its more than LaPebble brings...that said, A line of STEW-BEGIN-LAPEBBLE would be a terror against Boston and Philly. what I really can't understand is how some on here can get behind a faltering underachieving veteran just because of his past... and have only negatives to say about the Youth Movement that has come up and salvaged the season for us! PAX,D'ags,STEW along with CHIP and HENRY are still key in my perfect post season roster.

punkster's picture
Beautiful day for a snowshoe out there. Here goes: - "Higgs under achieve for the last 4 years"...What? Time for you to get a new stats guide. - Breeze..."he will be our undoing in the playoffs...let's not lose sight of that", and my tarot cards tell me he will be our hero in the playoffs. My positive tarot cards are just as valid as your negative cards. Predicting the future is a chump's game. - Stewart..."dozens of fights...". Look, the AHL ain't the bigs. Stewart should do well with more seasoning, more experience in the bigs. And he'll get lots with us (particularly if the BGL trade rumours pan out) but to pin our hopes on guys like him (and Henry)because you think we need a "lgit fighter" is simply pie-in-the-sky. Like the song says "Wishin' and hopin' and thinkin' and prayin'..." - I can't keep up with either your Youth Movement or your NAG participants. - Pacioretty is the only guy on your current list of Youth Movement members who has shown he has the capability of staying here, for now. He may still fall prey to the same slumps as the other "Youth Movement" members have...TBD.

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
giving a rational opinion on the future based on what we are seeing in the present and have seen in the past, is far from a chumps game...its the only game that makes sense. Blindly relying on players to come through without looking at that reality will leave you disappointed. Stewart is not one to pin hopes on, but just a tough no-nonsense hard worker that needs to build a career, and will give his left arm to help his team, I'd take 3 like that on my squad anyday. When you recognize that linemates can contribute to slumps or eliminate slumps then you'll place less blame on the likes of D'ags. Pax isn't lighting up the red lamp lately either, but no problem because he is with Kostop in a checking role, but because D'ags who has better hands and mimics Tangs style to a certain extent, remains with Koviu, and is not producing as he was, you place blame on him soley. What about HIGGS? and lets not deny the versatility of HENRY, he can play FWD & DEF.

I've not watched Higgins under achieve over the last 4 years really... unless you consider 23, 22 and 27 goals under achieving. Of course, the Habs are so overflowing with 20 goal scorers, why not sit them in the press box? And what has D'Agostini proven so far...? He has 3 goals in his last 20 games.

Chris's picture
Sorry, I can't get behind a youth movement just for the sake of movement. Like many young players, D'Agostini had a nice flurry to start his NHL career. Since then he's been ordinary at best, and of late I feel he has been very below average. Henry is useful in the regular season, not so much in the playoffs when there are very few fights. Brisebois was not our undoing in the playoffs last year, despite the assertions of many here. I'm a little surprised you are so confident he will be this year. He might play well, he might not...I have no crystal ball.

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
you can't get behind the Youth Movement....but you will.

Chris's picture
Read my comment again, but perhaps a little more carefully. I can not get behind a Youth Movement when it serves no purpose. You want youth? Mike Komisarek - 27 Tomas Plekanec - 26 Chris Higgins - 25 Josh Gorges - 24 Andrei Kostitsyn - 23 Jaroslav Halak - 23 Maxim Lapierre - 23 Sergei Kostitsyn - 21 Guillaume Latendresse - 21 Carey Price - 21 Ryan O'Byrne - 24 Kyle Chipchura - 23 Matt D'Agostini - 22 Gregory Stewart - 22 Max Pacioretty - 20 Young players go through up and down years. Higgins is having an off year. You're banishing the guy because you expect more of him, but willing to give D'Agostini a flyer when he is playing far, far worse at the moment. You rave about Gregory Stewart because he does his job, but its all based on that you expect nothing from him. Yet you pan Latendresse because you expect more from him, even though he scored at a much better pace then your new saviour, Max Pacioretty, has in his rookie season. Your problem is that you have expectations of every player and if they don't fulfill what you think they SHOULD do, they are obviously not worth having on the team. You are like the Nostradamus of Habs Inside/Out: you make 1000 predictions and then boast like a horny peacock when 5 of them stick. "Mark my words, this team will go on a losing streak when Higgins comes back...see, it happened so my opinion is validated". Here's some equally silly theories:
  • The Habs are lost without Guillaume Latendresse: they went 24-16-3 with him but are only 8-6-4 without him!
  • The Habs season will only improve when they ditch Matt D'Agostini: their record was slighly better before he arrived (12-6-4) than it has been (20-16-3) since he was called up!
  • Max Pacioretty must be exorcised from the lineup! The Habs have sunk to a 11-12-1 record since he arrived, after chugging along at a 21-10-6 record without him!
  • We will only win the Stanley Cup with Patrice Brisebois (28-15-6) in the lineup! We will only win John Tavares if we bench Patrice Brisebois (4-7-1)!
  • Alex Tanguay was key to our success: 20-8-6 with him versus 12-14-1 without him!
  • Greg Stewart (3-3-1) makes the Habs a far better team than Georges Laraque (10-9-5)!
  • I could point out that most of your grit players and keys to our success have also resulted in the Habs having a worse record than they did otherwise, but that would be as pointless as the coincidence that the team plays worse with Higgins in the lineup (16-15-5) than they do without him (15-7-3). The team wins and loses as a team, not as a collection of individual players.

    HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
    Chris I appreciate your response. I have been expecting more from Higgs since he came on board. He is an underacheiver, not a bad hockey player. If there was a stat on missed opportunites he would lead the NHL. Yes he scored around 20 goals consistently by it is not a lie to say it could easily have been 40, maybe 50. My expectations are based on watching the player very closely and remembering the HIGHS and LOWS in terms of capabilities under different situations. If a player starts to trail off as you say D'ags is, then I search why and usually its a change of linemates, demotion to a different line, different role (you were probably one of those guys yelling that D'ags wasn't scoring anymore after he dropped from KOVY to KOIVU and then to KOSTOPS line where the drought started)...injury, personal problems, weight gain whatever... The fact is you can come to a conclusion on a players capabilities by watching them at peak performance. Just like the story of Sam Pollack watching a young Gainey flatten the super star Bobby Orr during an exhibition game, then to everyone elses surprise, Gainey makes the team. You need to have an eye of Pollock in your analysis... as for the silly theories, they don't take into account overlapping factors of players returns, like PAX and his 'avg' stat at this point, but fail to see his 11-2 stat when he arrived, but with the return of saks and higgs it has worsened. You are twisting stats, not I.

    Chris's picture
    I'm not twisting stats, I'm showing you that such stats are completely and utterly meaningless. For instance, I intentionally neglected who the opponents were. For example, Higgins has played 14 of the 16 Habs games against the West, who they struggle against in recent years. He has missed a disproportionately high number of games against the East, games that are traditionally easier. I could also point to the 10 games immediately before Higgins went down with the shoulder injury, a stretch where the Habs went 6-1-3, with the lone loss coming at Washington, and the overtime losses coming against Boston, New Jersey and the Islanders on home ice. You mention peak performance...I and many others believe that Higgins is hands down a better player than Matt D'Agostini when they are both at their best. Higgins is faster, better defensively and has outscored D'Agostini at every level. I have zero doubt which one Sam Pollack would choose. Its actually funny that you are the one arguing this with me: in the history of the NHL, few players have under-achieved to a greater extent than Alexei Kovalev. Yet who would you rather have: an under-achieving Kovalev that can still score 30 goals per season (instead of the 50 or 60 his skill set would suggest he's capable of) or an over-achieving Matt D'Agostini that might get 30 goals in a season if every star in the sky aligns in precisely the right way? The answer is obvious: Kovalev. Its not quite as extreme with Higgins and D'Agostini, but it is still obvious: Higgins can provide more to the team than D'Agostini. You can't hide behind the lines: D'Agostini has been playing wing with Koivu for a little while, the same guy with whom he had success when he first came up. You want to know why D'Agostini has struggled? He changed his game. He is no longer driving the net, he is no longer content to find a hole and wait for his teammates to get him the puck and he is no longer forechecking. Now, he's carrying the puck more than he should, he's making poor decisions and he's now staying on the periphery like many of the other Habs. So in essence, he is now playing the same game as Higgins, but without any hint of Higgins' defensive acumen. As for yelling at D'Agostini, I've never yelled at him for the very simple reason that I've always known what to expect from him. I've said it time and time again that I watched him for two years here in Guelph playing junior hockey, probably 30 or so live games both in the regular season and playoffs. He was never a goal-scorer and he was never a guy that liked traffic. I was pleasantly surprised when he first came up, but the D'Agostini you see now is the one that played here. A leopard does not often change his spots: a play-maker throughout his entire career rarely becomes a goal-scorer, and a soft player rarely becomes a guy who drives the net. I like D'Agostini, I think he's a great story, but at the end of the day he is a third or fourth line player that can fill in on a scorin line during an emergency. I will stick by that until I see him maintain anything different.

    HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
    I can see you have a strong opinion on this and I respect that. I see some magical talent with D'ags, maybe your right, he is or has potential to be a very good playmaker because of his soft hands. But there is always an unknown, and I don't buy your leopard analogy. Many players are scoring sensations in Junior but can't put the puck away in the big show (Alexander Daige etc), so the opposite can be true. A good playmaker who may be willing to take some risk (as D'ags has done going down low and along the boards, not losing the puck) can become a good supporting player on an elite line, 1st or 2nd easily, not 3rd and certainly not 4th as your leaning. I admit to have tired of Higgs and his lost opportunities, and I am looking for 'new blood' on our team, so when I see the upcoming talent, the Youth movement showing signs or hints of greatness, I throw my weight behind them! at the end of the day, if either of us is wrong, then it is good for the team! ----- "...there are indications that the severest phase of the recession is over..." Harvard Economic Society, Jan 18, 1930

    punkster's picture
    Chris...good stats...I'm copying this for future reference. H-P needs to be reminded of realities from time to time.

    Chorske's picture
    Huh, what happened to Weber. the list changes like the weather. It's easy to say I told you so when your version of what you said keeps changing. The grinders have been completely ineffective against Boston and Philly this year, and WE have NO evidence that STEW-BEGIN-LARAQUE- which combines some of the Habs slowest dudes with cement hands and little fundamental hockey instinct- would cause "terror" in anyone except Habs fans. You overrate grit. Grit is great in the ECHL. ______________________________________________________________ Il faut commencer avec le travail, et finir avec le talent. BG

    HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
    what happened to WEB? we got SCHNEIDER, and his shot...come on man! The injection of YOUTH GRIT with TALENT into the roster is to make up for deficiency's. If the deficiency's are solved by trade then the requirement changes, simple logic, addition and subtraction. as for the UFC line....lets get serious here, we need to put something together that puts us at the top of the league in TOUGHNESS if we expect to go all the way....and the important fact your ignoring is that this 4th line of UFC's with their 6minutes / game will allow the top 3 lines between 17 and 25minutes. Sounds like a great plan to me....you go to war with all your weapons. you only take out the bazooka when needed though...but you want to leave the bazooka in the closet.

    gmd's picture
    I agree with you about Higgins. He works harder than Dags and is great on the PK. Higgins will not be in the press box.

    Chorske's picture
    I'll join you out there. Agree on all counts. Would add that Habs-Prof's ongoing Kovy crush fanboy obsession leads to him picking on Plek and mostly AKost. Clearly if Pleks/AKost both excel in Kovy's absence, and struggle when he's around, that's THEIR fault. Not His. ______________________________________________________________ Il faut commencer avec le travail, et finir avec le talent. BG

    The Cat's picture
    One of the conclusions Im drawing after last night is that were likely to continue to get creamed on the road if we keep playing like that.

    HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
    we are certainly getting the hometown crowd lift right now...just when we needed it.

    t1tan5's picture
    How were five additional skaters on the ice when Gorges got hit?

    HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
    my error - it was MARK/ANDRE/LATS/PLEKS.... all non-NAGS.

    notbigbird's picture
    Speaking of nags in the lowercase sense of the word ... Sorry HP, I can't help myself. I can't agree with you on Higgins at all. He has been miscast; he's meant to be an all-round third line player like Gainey way, not a first line scorer. There's nothing wrong with that. He got misused when there was no talent on the team; now he has to be put in his rightful role. I and just about everyone have to agree on MaxPac. He's a keeper for sure. So Carbo will probably bench him for the playoffs. Sorry, couldn't resist that either. I guess I'm irresistible.

    likehoy's picture
    d'agostini isn't very good in his own zone...or without the puck. Higgins either. Higgins can forecheck...d'agostini cannot. both of them wait for break out passes as if they were breakaway passes...they're both cheating to get out of the zone every time instead of making the simple chip out play sometimes...koivu is stuck baby-sitting the slack work of higgins and d'agostini in their own zone. either way, both do not deserve to be on koivu's wing. - does carbo bargain for the right Price before games?

    HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
    sounds like your even on D'ags vs Higgs... but when TANGY comes back (next year?) who moves off Koivu's line? or are you thinking of tweaking AndreK over to Koivu's line and moving D'ags with Kovy's line. I think that may work... KOVY-PLEK-D'AGS TANG-KOVIU-ANDREK

    likehoy's picture
    tang - koivu - akost patches - pleks - kovy higgins - lapierre - kosto (lats when he gets back) 4th line of whatevers i think d'agostini could do some more time playing defense...give him PP time but 4th line time during the 5 on 5. - does carbo bargain for the right Price before games?

    Habsfan_jay's picture
    Those are some great lines!

    HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
    the problem with your lineup is you change EVERY SINGLE LINE....thats worse than CARB!!! why touch the LAPS/PAX/KOSTO line? I'm talking about a slight tweak/exchange to make room for Tangy...and we agree on that setup: TANG/KOIVU/AKOST but we differ on HIGGS, your trying to find a place for him on the ice, I found a place for him in the pressbox. You are punishing a brilliant upcoming NAG rookie and I'm rewarding him. Kovy-Plek-D'ags - it worked before....

    There's no way Kostopoulos should be on the ice and Higgins in the pressbox. They both bring grit, forecheck and defense to the table, except Higgins also happens to know how to skate and doesn't have concrete hands. So the line of Max/Kosto/Pax become better as the Max/Higgins/Pax line.

    HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
    good point, I agree, have PAX-LAP-HIGGS, that will add the finish on both sides of Laps hard work in the offensive side. just get Higgs away from Koivu, : D'ags-KOIVU-TANG

    t1tan5's picture
    I don't think it's worse than Carbo. First of all, Carbo's lines don't make sense sometimes. These lines would work very nicely, IMO. It's ok to change every single line as long as it makes sense, i.e. NOT playing Gorges on the fourth line.

    This is for Retro Mikey...is Mike Glumac any good....he is a big right handed centerman who I saw play one exhibition game live in Ottawa this preseason who actually stood out....he was one of the few who did. I wonder why he has never got the call....obviously those who need to know more than me ..was a I deceived int hat one game or could he come in and do a better job than Chipper.

    Ian G Cobb's picture
    James, I called the trip the second Koivu followed through with his motion and gave just a little extra. He got away with that one and the Ref was about to put up his arm on the play but it was so close he did not make the call. I'm sure he prayed for no goal every second that Plekanec skated towards the net, but he was committed to the non call. I'm glad it went our way for a change.

    bigjames's picture
    Hi ian, how are you doing? My point, that I am sticking to, is that by the time the van player had fallen over sak’s stick or arm, the play was long gone. You have to watch it many times in slo mo. I did anyway. The puck is over the center line before the van player falls and sak has his eyes focused on the puck (remember he had just done a sort of spinarama move so was not in a position to line up the opposing player to “trip” him.) in any event, sak has the hockey intuition to know that a guy who is moving east west to cut off the play, is never gonna catch a player who is two lines ahead of him going north south! It was the right call and would have been a travesty had the ref called it. (ref had pretty good position too.)

    Ian G Cobb's picture
    He certainly made a great play, and your right Pleks was already gone, so it was great that there was no call on the trip. How is the Orient treating you my friend.

    bigjames's picture
    busier than a man with two sticks! non stop action, even in the terrible economy. gotta find a way to relax but the habs are hardly doing that for me!

    Chris's picture
    Same here. Great play by Koivu, and great "bounce" for the Canadiens that he got away with the trip afterwards. The Habs have not received many breaks the past month or so, so it was very nice to see one go their way this time.

    bigjames's picture
    On the issue of the second swipe of sak’s stick, that is really a tough one. Sak was spun around because of it. I am guessing (to give him the benefit of the doubt) that he was trying to get up by putting his hands down on the ice and therefore as the player skated into his stick, you get that big movement, that spun sak around. But hey we’re all friends here supporting the same team and we all agree that sak went all out there, and we will never know what was in his mind, so I am prepared to call a hung jury on that and say you guys raise good points and I just don’t know. Could be he got away with a sneaky one. But it was hardly a brazen trip….

    Chris's picture
    I can live with the compromise...we scored a critical, highlight-reel goal that turned the momentum to Montreal. It was a fantastic penalty kill culminated by a tremendous goal.

    twocents's picture
    THE BRATISLAVA BATTLER! THE SLOVAKIAN STUMPER!

    I don't think that game was a steal. Despite the turnovers, we played better defensively than we have for some time. Usually the opposition can waltz merrily through the middle and across our blueline and set up as though they're on a powerplay. Last night they mostly had to chip the puck in along the boards, resulting in fewer scoring chances. There seemed to be less of a gap between our forwards and defensemen than usual. Also, we created lots of chances, especially in the first period, and were able to capitalize on some of them. The powerplay, even when it doesn't score, looks dangerous and the penalty kill was perfect - that's one area in which we did well even in that terrible western road trip. That said, it was still far and away the best performance by a Canadiens goalie this season. It should be a huge confidence-booster for Halak, the coach and the team. When a goalie is struggling, the other players are nervous, miss their chances and cause turnovers. When they have confidence in the goaltender, they play more aggressively. I'm really happy for Halak, he had a chance when Price was injured to show that he could be a no. 1 goaltender but didn't really do it. He won most of his games but didn't look great doing it. Now he has another chance and is seizing it with both hands. His rebound control is much better and he no longer looks nervously behind him after every save. The negative? Carbo's defensive shell system when the Canadiens have a lead. It worked last night, but more often than not we get burned trying it. We take a bad penalty, the other team scores and the momentum swings their way. We played really well and aggressively during the first period last night, why couldn't we just keep doing it?

    mastodon's picture
    As much as I love Price, the great thing about Halak is he has to be way more athletic in trying to make saves because he is so much smaller. Halak cannot just rely on flopping to his knees and hoping the puck hits his giant frame. He always has to battle to see the puck. I like how he makes unorthodox saves and looks like he's actually trying to battle and stop the puck. It is just a nice change to see compared to post- injury/all-star break Carey Price. I agree we need to get Kostitsyn off of Kovalev's line. When Tanguay comes back I would like to see as the top six. Tanguay Koivu A.Kostitsyn Max-Pac Plekanec Kovalev Also I am tired of the Laraque bashing. Any GM always overpays for UFA's, that's how it works. Carbo just does not know how to utilize him (not bashing Carbo), he just doesn't know what to do with him. He needs to be on the fourth line and move Dandenault back to defence and Brisebois to the pressbox. And anyone who is praising Breezer on that save (which was awesome), look to how the puck got there, he blindly threw it up the middle to a Canucks d-man.

    P St. Pierre's picture
    Good post. I too agree that Andrei Kostitsyn needs to play without Kovalev. He's simply better on the right side and we saw that when Kovalev was on his little break. He has a better angle for his shot and although he's a very skilled athlete, he doesn't issue the same great passes that Plekanec, Kovalev, Koivu, Tanguay and his brother do. A left handed shot at left wing is generally more of a passer. Kostitsyn is a shooter.

    Go Habs Go Theme Song Guy's picture
    My morning laugh: "...softer than a ballet slipper full of wet cow flop." Too much! Cheers Mike! You spin a metaphor like nobody's business... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDOW6KofuLo

    Natrous's picture
    Just out of curiosity, where are all the Carbo bashers, who by now should be calling for Price to get a start instead of Halak?

    Odie Cleghorn's picture
    Anyone else concerned about how Carbo's system will now focus on the goalie's ability to "steal wins" from here on in? What about learning how to "seal" wins once the team has a two goal lead? Wasn't defensive excellence Carbonehead's forte? Just have a look at the goals for AND against differentials between us and the top teams.

    likehoy's picture
    carbo should be fired and price should be traded...halak can't stop a puck - does carbo bargain for the right Price before games?

    Go Habs Go Theme Song Guy's picture
    I'm not a Carbo "basher" per se, I just don't think he's a great coach. He was a helluva player, and possibly the character trait that made him such a good player might actually be his achilles heel as a coach. Too much fire in the belly, a mercurial temper, reacting instinctively and in some cases, rashly. I much prefer the Julien type. If we win the cup however, I will eat my hat cheerfully and with relish. Perhaps some mustard too... That said, I'm glad he's sticking to his guns and is going to go with the hot hand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDOW6KofuLo

    mastodon's picture
    I only bash Carbo when he plays Kostopolous for 21+ minutes a game, haha. I would be angry if Halak does not get to keep starting. But would he start back to back games this weekend? If not I do not know who I would play for each game.