About last night ...

posted by Mike Boone at 6h18 EST on Mar 7


The Canadiens' slump began in Atlanta and that's where it ended.

What? You're saying the Thrashers won 2-0 last night.

Indeed, 14th-place Atlanta shut out your fifth place (for now) Montreal Canadiens.

But this is no longer a slump. It's a debacle.

And if the Canadiens lose in Dallas tomorrow, it will become a catastrophe.



I think I'm going to spend a cloudy Saturday in Montreal trying track down a taste of what Guy Carbonneau is smoking.

The Canadiens' coach, in the portion of his post-game scrum that aired on RDS's l'Antichambre, said he liked his team's 60-minute effort. The Canadiens, Carbonneau added, played better and were "less demoralized" than in Buffalo.

It was a fairly tight camera shot so I couldn't see whether Carbo was tugging on his ear lobe to indicate he was kidding.

Because if the "60-minute effort" line wasn't a spoof or a specific reference to Carey Price, who was great for 59:18, the coach is seriously delusional.

Does the second period count as part of the 60 minutes? The Canadiens needed more than seven minutes to get their first shot, en route to a grand total of five.

Do the last 33 seconds of the first period count toward the total? That's when the Canadiens, having just surrendered the game's first goal, had a 5-on-3 man advantage. The coach, in his wisdom, had Glen Metropolit on the power play.

Yes, Metropolit is a right-handed shot – and he's used it to score four goals this season. Andrei Kostitsyn, with 22 goals, and Alex Tanguay, who has 10, watched from the bench.

I mean .... c'mon. Glen Metropolit? This is getting too psychedelic, even for a survivor of the 1960s.

Danny Ozark, who managed the Philadelhia Phillies back in the day and was famous for malapropisms, once was asked if a losing streak had affected team morale.

"At this point," Ozark replied, "morality is no longer a factor."

So the Canadiens are less demoralized?

Maybe it's time for Carbo to wake up, smell the coffee and become seriously demoralized. Maybe it's time for he and his friend the general manager to dial up YouTube and watch a former Canadiens coach offer this candid assessment of his team.

Like most members of the media, I'm a Guy Carbonneau fan. His press briefings always feature intelligent, highly quotable comments.

One year removed from 104 points and celebrating 100 years of the most storied franchises in hockey, Carbonneau can't pull a Therrien.

Carbo can't blithely admit:

"We suck, we're going to miss the playoffs and I have no answers."

Late last night,I got an e-mail from a fellow Canadiens fan:

I don't know about you, but I'm kind of looking ahead to the summer already, and if Gainey picks the right guys, he can completely rebuild on the fly.  He'll have a ton of space and manouverability most GMs don't have...especially when added to a young core.  There are no playoffs this year.  Even if they squeak in, they'll be murdered.  But I'm optimistic next year will be better.  And, when you think about it...there's an argument to be made that NEXT season is actually the hundredth year...
I've got my doubts about Carbo though.

Here's what I wrote back to her:

Grim. They don't deserve to be in the playoffs. And they give every indication they've quit on Carbo.

Re the summer: Who would want to play here? The team is constantly rebuilding, the media scrutiny is relentless, every cab driver is an expert, etc. ad nauseam.

I respect Gainey but I'm starting to wonder whether he's in the same league as Lamoriello, Wilson, Burke, Shero, Holmgren, Sutter, Lombardi.
I'm not including Holland because there's nothing to wonder about there.

Does Gainey blow up the team? I'm comfortable with Price as a cornerstone, but the D is awful. Two more seasons of Hamrlik? Komisarek is a mess. Gorges tries, but he's not a Top-4. Do you rush Webber and Subban and McDonagh up hoping one or two of them is Luke Schenn or Drew Doughty?

Forwards?
Keep Max-Pac, Lapierre, Latendresse, D'Agostini and hire a Belarusian psychiatrist for the brothers. Give Koivu two years if he'll sign cheap. Everyone else can walk. Maybe hit a home run with a free agent.

OK, my rant was a bit extreme. I was tired and a few beers to the good. E-mail has become the 21st century version of Drink and Dial.

But the Montreal Canadiens are breaking my heart. And in a city that lives and dies with its hockey team, there aren't enough cardiologists to go around.

I can't even bring myself to dissect last night's loss. The Canadiens played lazy, undisciplined, clueless hockey for long stretches of the game.

A team sitting 14th in the conference had eight power plays. And even during  5-on-5, it looked like Atlanta had an extra man.

Saku Koivu, Alex Tanguay and Christopher Higgins were reunited and played well. They didn't score, but it wasn't for want of trying.

Max Lapierre's line always tries – and never scores.

Our ertswhile number one line? They're starting to remind me of the darkest days of Sergei Samsonov.

Gregory Stewart landed a few good ones on Cliff Thorburn. Ryan O'Byrne beat up an 18-year-old kid. 

The D? Softest in the league. Mike Komisarek and Roman Hamrlik each had one hit last night. Josh Gorges, Mathieu Schneider, Andrei Markov and Ryan O'Byrne had none.

As a team, the Canadiens had FIVE hits.

Steve Bégin will have more than that in the first period tomorrow. And he'll be coming hard for 60 minutes.

Buffalo is in Ottawa and Carolina plays at Tampa Bay tonight. The Rangers are home to the faltering Bruins and surging Pttsburgh visits stumbling Washington tomorrow.

Anyone looking forward to perusing the Eastern Conference standings on Monday morning?

 

 

 


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Habitant in Surrey's picture
...if you ALL can endure my I TOLD YOU SO ..I knew Kovalev would return ...have his one or 2 promising moments ...and incrementally disappear into the mist ...I knew Plekanec and Kostitsyn's games would disappear after being reunited with Kovy ...as they demur in his presence ...Kovy must be taken off the first, possibly even the top 2 lines ...let the dynamic players like Plekanec, Koivu, the K Bros., Higgins and Tanguay do there thing with grit support from Patches, d'Agostino, Stewart and Latendresse when/if he returns ...Kovy should only be used for PP, PK and 3rd line ...if that does not sit well ...cut him ...bottom-line, Kovy is toxic for players like the Kostitsyns & Plekanec ...he slows them down, and confuses them ...but that all may only be semantics now ...can't imagine more that can go wrong for Our Team ...EVERYTHING Negative Under The Sun has occurred this year to Our Team ...being a Fan ...all We can do now is hang-in there waiting for a miracle ...though the odds are long ...on the encouraging side ...miracles DO happen ...Hallucinations too ! Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

shuttle-lemaire-lafleur's picture
B.C. bud does indeed cause brain damage,you are living proof.

Xtrahabsfan's picture
You have been a rude dude for the last 24 hours ,why don't you lite one up yourself,lol

shuttle-lemaire-lafleur's picture
Rude....I admit I have been one ornery sumbitch lately...but rude...ah maybe you're right...smoke'em if ya got'em...lol !

Habitant in Surrey's picture
...ah ! ...obviously a ripe Rev. Jim Jones disciple Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

Exit716's picture
There's no leadership on the team and it starts with the old driveway shoveler at the top.

Harani's picture
Coach doesn't know what to do! What does he do? Change up the trios. But I have to say this kind of makes a lot of sense: AKos (The shooter)- Koivu (The worker) - Tanguay (The passer) Max Pac (He who cares!) - Pleky (The hot in the cold!) - Kovy (The rejuvenated) Higgy (The supposed natural scorer) - Laps (The piss-offer!) - Tom the Bomb (The Heart) Stewart (The "IN" kid) - MetroPolit (Not the metro!) - D'Ags (The Oops in the defensive end) And Dandy on D! The first line, logically, on paper seems to be like instant magical chemistry. Pretty sure AKos will light it up! MaxPac worked well with Kovy and Pleky. He cycles well and digs in for the pucks. Third line will possibly never score. Imagine...Higgy and Tom the Bomb! How many times wll you hear "Quelle belle chance ratee!" or "Il avait une cage beante" with this line out? The fourth line is the grandpa with the Kids. The "energy" line!

phillyhab's picture
Great post!

craz11's picture
Will you be our coach? Please?

captaink4life's picture
I agree with these lines. Not too sure about Dagger on the 4th line but wtv _____________________________ Koivu for Prime Minister :) Drive for 25!!

In a way I am glad there is no Habs game tonight. Why spoil a perfectly good saturday night. I mean does anybody really think they will beat the stars? So we might get 6 hits and maybe one lame goal when game is out of reach and Carbo will be happy with the effort. But in the end we will still lose and find ourselves out of playoffs by next tuesday. And yet, nobody in the media still openly questions Gainey's competence as a GM and Carbo's (oh man, I can't even bring myself to say competence in the same sentance with Carbo) suitability to coach.

Maybe it's just that after a decade and a half of futility, the Montreal media has resigned itself to the endless mediocrity that the Habs have become. Hell, I was listening to Team 990 on the computer yesterday and you would think that the local soccer team was freaking Manchester United. That city has to host a World Poker Tour or fitness pageant. There is just so much Celine Dion that people can take.

Maybe media is just as mediocre as the team?

It just baffles me that the Montreal Canadiens have been allowed to suck for this long without. Even the NY Yankees' case of the sucks when they were owned by CBS was much shorter than a decade and a half.

here we go with the Yankees again

They remain the gold standard for professional sports franchises in North America. The Habs use to be, but you and I both now how that turned out.

t1tan5's picture
The Impact made it to the quarter-final of the CONCACAF Champion's league. That's a HUGE accomplishment considering that they are a B-league team.

Things like that do happen with a fair degree of regularity in soccer, especially open tournaments like the FA Cup. You know that gives me an idea. Why doesn't Gainey just bring up the whole Hamilton squad up for a game? Even better, make the current squad sit together in one section and let everyone in the Bell Center rag on them by showing them continuously on the scoreboard screen.

Habitant in Surrey's picture
...I miss JT already ...do YOU think Bob is talkin' to JT ? ...don't ya think she'd slap ass ! Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

t1tan5's picture
Where did JT go?

Habitant in Surrey's picture
...she has regrettably bowed out of further blogging in HIO or Boone's game commentary for varied internal reasons ...read her "The Last Post" in the Other Wing ...sad day for HIO ...but, like I allude to, might make good choice to replace Carbo ...could not possibly do any worse ...and she would be nuclear in the dressing room ...let alone the showers Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

Clay4bc's picture
But does she speak French? Fire Carbo NOW!

t1tan5's picture
We need a coach that plays mind games with the players much like Scotty Bowman used to do.

First, we need some players with minds!

mrhabby's picture
nice.

t1tan5's picture
Touché

and coaches.

Some nads would be useful as well. Did you see the way the Sabres responded last night when Afinegenov got throttled? It was the polar opposite of what the Habs did after Gorges got sent into orbit against the Kings.

Doesn't matter if Laviolette can coach. Can he speak French????

I don't think so. Might have to get him the Rosetta Stone software before he takes the job.

coachdoug's picture
Might be good he can't...screw the media for a while...if we start winning no one will say a damn word... "Laissez-les manger du gateau..." Go Habs Go! "Proud home of the five sacred cows"

I agree. All the French reporters can speak English, why break the coach's balls about something that has nothing to do with the performance of the team on the ice.

Disheartening indeed, Yeats, disheartening indeed............so true....Habs have needed a big biody cenetre for years so what do they keep drafting???? Minnesota defencemen.

They draft one more high schooler who is voted Mr. Hockey of Minnesota and he better damn well be a centerman.

Gary320's picture
TANGUAY KOIVU ANDREI PACIORETTY PLEKANEC KOVALEV HIGGINS LAPIERRE KOSTOPOLOUS STEWART METROPOLIT D'AGOSTINI That was this mornings lines. FINALLY. Took you a game Carbo, but good job.

Fant-HAB-ulous's picture
You better not be messing with me!! FINALLY!!!!

t1tan5's picture
Those are the lines we have been praying for! Thank you, Forum ghosts!

yeah... and they will last grand total of 5 minutes and then Kovalev, Kosto and Metro will be reunited to lead the glorified offensive effort.

Maybe I'm biased because I see way more Devils than Wings games, but Lou Lamoriello and his organization are the closest group in the current NHL to the Habs under Selke and Pollack. And, I don't think it was a coincidence that the three guys who led them to their Stanley Cup Championships all had ties to the Habs. He runs that team like an automobile factory managed by Henry Ford. Every player in the organization is just another interchangeable part. You don't like it here? Fine, go somewhere else. All Lou has to do is just reach into his parts bin and you're not even missed. Want to enjoy the Metro NYC nightlife? You better pray to the Almighty that it doesn't show up in the papers. The Habs draft a bunch of slick softies up front. Not the Devils, Lou goes after character guys like John Madden and Zach Parise. Year after year the Habs have the same problems like not having any size up the middle. You'd have to be marooned on an island not to know about it. But does Gainey get a kid with some size who can play that position? No. I understand the logic of drafting the best player available regardless of position, but when you have such a gaping hole every season, it's just plain dumb not to plug it. Being a fan of this team is just disheartening as hell these days.

Clay4bc's picture
Wouldnt it be great if we had no scoring lines at all? Consider the following senario...Carbo's wet dream. Maybe we will get lucky, and some of the southern USA teams will fold over the summer. With more players in the pool to choose from, and Carbo as coach, we will be able to attract a whole team of 4th liners. Then we can play them in every situation, 60 min a game. I know Carbo tries to give them this ice time now, but sometimes they get tired, and he has to put out scoring lines for the occasional shift. Fire Carbo NOW!

Team 990 covered the Irishman of the year breakfast and mentioned that Gainey was not in attendance this year, he had to be in Hamilton. Wonder if he was discussing things with Don Lever?

sidhu's picture
Well said, Boone. In a sense I agree with the person who emailed you last night - I'm not optimistic about the rest of the season and am becoming increasingly interested in how our 09-10 squad will look. Actually, I'm more interested in who will be coaching/managing that squad. Patience with Carbo and especially Gainey is growing thin. We've been outscored 7-1 since Gainey decided to do nothing. Gainey, aka "Inaction Jackson", should walk if we don't make a serious playoff run.

cautiousoptimist's picture
Here's a mood-brightener, from Wikipedia: Dennis Kevin Bonvie (born July 23, 1973, in Antigonish, N.S.) is a retired Canadian professional ice hockey player, most notable for being the most penalized player in professional hockey history. He now serves as a professional scout for the NHL Toronto Maple Leafs. Of course he does. 1. www.flickeringpictures.com - not a hockey site, but still kinda neat 2. Josh Gorges on Montreal's attack: "They're comin', they're comin' and they keep comin'. Just line after line, wave after wave..."

It's all Kovy's fault...

Habsrule1's picture
I don't know. I counted 4 Breezer giveaways. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy

Wops's picture
A serie of loss brings delusion in Montreal... Don Lever? come on guys... 1- Probably 95% of us never saw a game coached by him.... 2- He coaches the exam same system as Carbonneau... 3- Many of you think Carbo has no system, soooo.... _______________________________________ CH is for Chris Higgins

sidhu's picture
He did win a Calder Cup with Price, Dags, Chipper, etc.

linp's picture
Looks like sitting out 2 or 3 games did help (Kovy and Price). Can Bob find a way to sit Carbo for 2 to 3 games? I think he is kind of lost right now.

t1tan5's picture
I like Coach Doug's idea to bring in Laviolette, an experienced, proven coach to lead this team. His style matches well with the way the team should be playing. I think Carbo's welcome is wearing thin. I remember earlier on in the season, there were quite a few staunch Carbo supporters. Now it seems that there is a consensus opinion here that Carbo should be shown the door.

cautiousoptimist's picture
We could certainly do worse than Laviolette: He began his coaching career as head coach of the ECHL Wheeling Nailers. In one season as coach, he led his team to a 37–24–9 record and took his team to the playoffs where they lost in the third round. He left Wheeling to take over the head coaching job for the Providence Bruins. In 1998–99 he coached the team to a 56–15–4 regular-season record. In the playoffs Providence won the AHL Championship and hoisted the Calder Cup with a 15–4 playoff record. Laviolette was named AHL Coach of the Year for his efforts. Laviolette's success in the AHL earned him a stint as an assistant coach for the Boston Bruins. Having grown up in the Boston suburb of Franklin, MA, Laviolette was disappointed when he did not get the head coaching job in Boston after that season so he left for the head coaching job on Long Island. After taking over the New York Islanders, which had suffered seven years of post-season futility prior to his arrival, he led his team to the playoffs in both seasons he was there. His first season in New York resulted in a surprisingly consistent reason in which the Islanders earned 96 points (42–28–8–4 record), nearly winning the Atlantic division, before losing a close playoff series to Toronto. The Islanders sneaked into the playoffs the next season, despite just 35 victories, and then lost in 5 games to the Ottawa Senators in the first round. Laviolette came to the Carolina Hurricanes in the 2003–04 season. He took over following the firing of Paul Maurice. In his first season, he coached 52 games during a rebuilding year. Laviolette led the Hurricanes to an excellent regular season during his second year at the helm, winning the Southeast Division with 112 points (52–22–8 record). The Hurricanes won their first Stanley Cup championship in franchise history during the 2006 playoffs, after winning two very close seven-game playoff series over the Buffalo Sabres and Edmonton Oilers. He was runner-up in the Coach of the Year Award, which was awarded to Lindy Ruff in the closest vote ever recorded for this award, 155–154. 1. www.flickeringpictures.com - not a hockey site, but still kinda neat 2. Josh Gorges on Montreal's attack: "They're comin', they're comin' and they keep comin'. Just line after line, wave after wave..."

t1tan5's picture
That is a very impressive coaching record. He has a lot of experience and a very good track record across multiple leagues.

I think it is time to bring Patrick Roy into the fold in Montreal (perhaps as a goalie coach for now). He's the last player the Habs had with a real burning desire to win and his ego and confidence alone would be a welcome presence in that Habs dressing room. He could probably work wonders with Price's confidence level and no one understands the pressures of playing net in Montreal better than he...

Harani's picture
I had to go to a wedding and couldn't watch the game. The way you guys are talking...I really think it was bad. Just hope Dallas doesn't murder us alive. I say we'll win. Not by a big margin but we will emerge victorious. Only problem is that Carbo's comments don't seem to correlate with the performance. He seemed happy with the effort but the way you guys are saying, it wasn't that solid. What's with all the penalties and the what happened to our PP? Disorganized. Last time we were in Atlanta, Kari Let-one-in never did. Was he that good or the shots were just really sucky?

Clay4bc's picture
5 hits all night - that tells you all you need to know. Kari made 3 or 4 great saves...so did our Cary. He was very good, really (for a pleasant change). Fire Carbo NOW!

t1tan5's picture
Lethonen was good but didn't have to be great. We had about 4 real scoring chances the whole game. By the way, don't you have to be alive to be murdered? :D

coachdoug's picture
Laviolette and Lever seem to me to be the best two possible candidates if the appocalypse happens and we get a coach change... Laviolette has a Cup ring as a coach and he had similiar players to ours now on his 2006 team...no real size...hard working Captain...mostly he had some of the fastest skaters that he developed...I saw several of their practices and they worked very hard and skated like crazy...they were just faster than everyone that year...to include us!!! Lever is also a great candidate as he has shown some great success in the AHL...he seems to be able to get a lot out of his players...it would be easier to get Lever up at this point... Not saying it is all a coaching change but it would be the easiest solution to try and salvage this year while we are still in the running... I know we may still not have the team...but giving up another year when it gets harder and harder to field a Cup team...doing nothing at this point is really quitting...and I hate quitters... Go Habs Go! "Proud home of the five sacred cows"

notbigbird's picture
I'd go with BG himself to run out the year. He needs to get in that dressing room and sort it out. His assistants, both coaches and office, can do a little extra to reduce his load a bit. Then, he can look more deeply in the off-season rather than making a hasty choice now.

coachdoug's picture
Laviolette would not be hasty in my opinion...he could be long term...he has a Cup ring as a coach...not a lot of guys out there with that that are available... Go Habs Go! "Proud home of the five sacred cows"

Ian Cobb's picture
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Harani's picture
In the loss, we gain Price!

mrhabby's picture
it was one game but he did look good. lateral movement , square to shooter, good vision, challenging shooters. damn i feel sorry for him. he wants to do win could be the start of things to build on..team just has to play with urgency to get on a role.

Corporate's picture
A lot of people are saying that Carbo's system is not working. First of all many of you don't think he has a system. But he does... he asks 2 things from his players 1) Work hard. 2) Shoot at the net They rarely do both together. But when they do we win and we win very comfortably. Yet the team doesn't seem to buy into his system. And as some poster mentioned, they might have quit on Carbo. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Koivu for Prime Minister...

notbigbird's picture
Sorry, I can't agree that that's a system.

Corporate's picture
he actually has a system just the players don't follow.. They are not skating. Our big asset was the transition game and all we do is stand in the neutral zone with passes that are way of and then we turn it over. At teh games that we are reall good in, we successfully conquer the neutral zone. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Koivu for Prime Minister...

mrhabby's picture
i have no crystall ball on this mystery team. carbs fault...i guess. players fault..i guess. gaineys ..i guess. youpii..i guess. ps..if team misses playoffs ..wow scarey thought so may changes to come in summer.

Corporate's picture
You know I don't understand.. Pretty much teh same team as last year yet we can't even buy a game this year. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Koivu for Prime Minister...

mrhabby's picture
damn frustrating for sure. sad really. the only good thing is we can still make the playoffs that is a must.

I just realized who would be a fantastic GM. Pierre Mcguire! man would he turn this franchise around a la Brian Burke. yes! that who I want as GM and as coach, Don Lever. he could always hire a tranmslator for the frenchies. asistant coaches, Robinson and Roy.

ZepFan2's picture
Yeah...let's not and say we did, m-kay. Btw, what's a "tranmslator" do exactly? ------------------------------------------- "I think when you talk about the Canadiens, you have to put the word family in front of it." - Patrick Roy

mrhabby's picture
sorry man..i just can't see it.

Corporate's picture
The you woke up and realized that was a stupid dream.... LOL ------------------------------------------------------------------- Koivu for Prime Minister...

Kevin's picture
Don Lever with Les Canadiens!

but the sad thing is, even Garth Snow, the NYI GM, a former goalie, with no NHL managing experience, is a better GM than gutless Bob. know why? because he understands the game. he knows his team is awful. so what does he do? he becomes a seller at the deadline, and now has several draft picks, unlike gutless Bob, who does NOTHING, year after year after year! can anyone tell me the last time Bob made an impact deal at the deadline??? try NEVER! he will never improve this team, only make them worse, and if Gilette is too stupid to see that, then expect decades of mediocrity, because folks, I don't think Gilette has the balls to fire Gainey no matter how many games we lose, or how many times we miss the playoffs. We need an owner who takes an interest in his team, instead of celebrations for a 100 th year. How many times does Gilette come to Montreal? I bet not more than 4 or 5 times a year. If he was here, he would see what we all know. And changing a coach can do wonders. just ask Pitt or Ottawa. Why are we the only team who is afraid to fire a coach? because Gainey is such good friends with Carbo, that he allows the nepotism to show first. and besides, lazy Bob would then have to go behind te bench for the remainder of the season, and it would really interfere with his knitting class and his daily naps.

Habsrule1's picture
You are so wrong. The Islanders sucked when he got there, and they still suck. The Habs had missed the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 years when Bob got there, and then they made them and missed them by 1 point, then finished first and here we are. They came off a 77 point season when Bob took over and our lowest total since was 90. Give your head a shake. We are getting better, and will be even better if the players cared and gave an honest effort every night. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy

and now they will miss playoffs 2 out of 3. Which proofs once again that last year was a fluke and that what we see on the ice today is the real team, the real coach and the product of the real GM. And if the last two don't change this is what we are going to see next year.

Habsrule1's picture
You may be right, but what if we make the playoffs? Not that it matters much if we lose in the first round. Again...different team next year, and same coach. Either we see success early or Carbo is gone by November. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy

Corporate's picture
In pitts the change of the coach did nothing. It started clicking when they got Kunitz. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Koivu for Prime Minister...

doug's picture
Invalid argument- their team quit on the coach but their coach had a system: was personality conflict. Our team has not qui on thew coach, they're trying to follow a bad system altogether and one that rewards pluggers and disciplines offense. Nothing is going to turn around until Carbonneau is gone.

Habsrule1's picture
How do you know there is no system? You at practice? When the team plays for 60...or even 40 minutes, they win. It's when they are lazy and stop playing after 20 that we get in trouble. He has a system...it works only with effort....and he rewards the players that actually show some effort. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy

no it didn't the pens have won 4 or 5 in a row. remember they did beat us last week? and I watched them in their last game. they looked great.adding 2 scorers does wonders for a team.

mrhabby's picture
i disagree with snow being a better GM ..jesus give gainey some credit. The islanders have been bottom dwellers for years and will be so for years to come. just remember where this team was 5 years ago. he has done a great job on the development side with drafting which was non existent 4-5 years ago. it may be time to pass the torch to somebody else but comparing to snow pfffft.

WRONG! they have the #1 pick, getting Tavares, and several other picks. right now they are a better team than us. don't let the points fool you. the habs got most of their points in Oct and Nov, and done nothing since. in 2 years NYI will be a better team than us, guaranteed!

Habsrule1's picture
And we know every single #1 pick is in, or going to be in the Hall of Fame, right? Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy

ZepFan2's picture
"WRONG! they have the #1 pick, getting Tavares" That's what a team gets when they're bottom feeders. The Habs are a middle of the pack team. So close, yet so far. ------------------------------------------- "I think when you talk about the Canadiens, you have to put the word family in front of it." - Patrick Roy

mrhabby's picture
iam talking over all since he has arrived buidling through the draft...tavares sure ..the islanders have been bad for so long..agree to disagree.

Corporate's picture
Having number one pick means nothing. Look at the Thrashers. they had many good first round picks. Where are they now.. They are slowly dying. You need to build a team on the long run. look at detroit. They were not built in a day. It took years of drafting and trades. But now they are in the drivers seat. From 1990 to 1997, the team looked pretty bleak. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Koivu for Prime Minister...

mrhabby's picture
exactly.

t1tan5's picture
Impact deal: BG got Kovy at the deadline.

how many years ago was that? 6 years? OMG, and it wasn't on trade deadline day.

t1tan5's picture
You're right that it wasn't on deadline day, my mistake. But it was an impact deal, just a week earlier.




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