Mondays suck

posted by Mike Boone at 10h42 EST on Apr 27


And I like them even less while reflecting on the hockey I watched this weekend.

Would your Montreal Canadiens be able to beat any of the teams that are still in the hunt?

The Rangers?

Maybe ... but I don't know that King Henrik would be having this sort of meltdown if he were facing shots by Gui! and Tom the Bomb.

The other Cup aspirants?

Fuhgedaboudit!

Off the top of my head, players still playing who are better than ANYONE on the Habs' roster:

Alexander Ovechkin, Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Eric Staal, Zach Parise, Jarome Iginla, the Sedins, Jonathan Toews, Joe Thornton, Ryan Getzlaf ...

As for goaltenders  .... let's not go there, OK?

Hey, Bob Geldof: How about a Live Aid for our hockey team?




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When the playoffs were all said and done and that Newfie we did not want anymore on our team last season was laughing all the way back to Boston. The people of Montreal needed an outlet. Now enter Carey Price...yes I know he did not play the way we all wanted him too. But just for a moment can we please look at our Defense! There needs to be some radical changes. how many times was Carey Price left out to dry! -Markov-Love this man! Thank god we have him. -Schneider-What a pleasant surprise he was. -Komisarek- Great shot blocker...loves to hit...that's where it ends. Now enter our stellar extras. -The Breezer- Come on, really? -Ryan O'suck- For a man that size he should be putting people directly through the boards and into the Molson section. I see him line a guy up and I get so excited only to see him gently tap the guy..most of the time the guys goes around him. -Francis Boullion- I respect the "little engine that sometimes could" but when is he not hurt? - The Hammer- That nick name suits him in no way shape or form. What I would like to see is the Habs make room for P.K Subban and Yanick Webber. Those two would be quite the duo! Almost like a Markov Schneider. They would complement each others style really well. That would give us. Markov -Komisarek (if he is still here) or Markov-Schenider P.K Subban - Webber The Hammer- Boullion

mrhabby's picture
sounds good but not going to happen. theres only one place pk and webber should be and thats in steel town getting valuable experience. we don't need to rush these guys. BG has the money to go out and sign a couple of dman this summer thats what we need.

Timo's picture
Ducks win!!! Yes! What an amazing team. Aah, the joy of having an exciting, hardworking team that... I'll never know such joy. Sigh.

EricInStL's picture
I don't think Detroit will be able to handle their size and skill, and I still don't trust Osgood. But speaking of Montreal, with the draft at the Bell Centre it's our opportunity to yell at TT when we draft another US defensemen.... Why draft a big centerman????? _________________________ Hoopdeedamn-doo !

Timo's picture
Seabrook, Parise, Getzlaf and Perry are all leading their teams deep into the playoffs. And no, I will not stop making this reference and I will not give it a rest. Habs scouting department strikes again. Why is Timmins so highly regarded by many? I guess same reason as Gainey... but I still don't know the reason. Anyway, Flames are out and I can't wait to go to work and see some sour faces tomorrow. Should be an awesome day. Ducks continue to amaze me if not by their skill but by their ansolutely ridiculous dedication. Go Ducks!!!

The Cat's picture
It beats me, Ive been saying for a while that the drafting has sucked. Its always players cut from the same mold. I believe twocents had a great post about this and Timmins days with Ottawa. And one can see the mentally shaky aspect. I dont think Timmins is that highly regarded other than with the Montreal fans that can see the organization do no wrong. For example A Kostitsyn: Most scouts thought he had a great shot but that he was a bit of a mule. Plus factor in his medical predicament. Im not saying he wont ever score 40 goals but one has to ask why take this risk?

Vid's picture
Goes to show you that Anaheim really isn't an 8th place team. They seem to lack depth at LW & C but when you got Getzlaf playing so well, a D corps consisting of Pronger, Niedermayer, Whitney & Beauchemin with great goaltending from Hiller (who is this guy?) well a lot of good things can happen.

Timo's picture
I agree but good things happened to them because they are all absolute work horses and don't know the word 'quit'. They also don't know a word 'fear'.

EricInStL's picture
Det vs Ana, ?????? Van vs Chi ?????? I believe the layoff will hurt Vancouver, I would love to see Anaheim vs Vancouver. _________________________ Hoopdeedamn-doo !

Timo's picture
Me too... jsut for the sake of seeing sedins and sundin getting some hurtin'.

Vid's picture
Beauchemin looks good. Hard shot, good passes. Looks like he's recovering well from his injury. He could be a good long term replacement for our pp point shot although I have a hard time believing Anaheim won't try to resign him.

Timo's picture
Was Beauchemin once a part of the Habs organization or am I thinking of someone else?

JasonM's picture
He was, for 1 game. "He was then drafted 75th overall by the Montreal Canadiens in the 1998 NHL Entry Draft. Upon being drafted, he returned to the QMJHL for two more seasons, helping Acadie-Bathurst to a President's Cup in 1999 as league champions. Turning pro in 2000–01, Beachemin spent four seasons with the Canadien's organization playing between several minor league affiliates. He made his NHL debut in 2002–03, appearing in 1 game for the Canadiens. On September 14, 2004, Beauchemin placed on waivers and claimed by the Columbus Blue Jackets."

My " lune de miel " with Gainey ended on the 14 th of sept. when we lost Francois Beauchemin which had showned great promises during all of the training camp pre-saisons games I saw him playing in at the Bell from 2001 up til 2003. Beauchemin was actually more NHL ready than Komisarek when Gainey decided to promote Komi as the 7th defenseman of our 2003-2004 MTL CH edition...... Komi no doubts could have had developped better than he did had he spended that year in Hamilton as a regular instead of being on a part-time shedule as he was on that season with the big Club...... had Komi developped his puck handling skills a little better since we drafted him in 2001 he wouldn't be the question mark that he is today on the eve of reaching his UFA status.... drafted 7th overall I whish our organization could have turned this right-handed good skating beast into a keeper..... but they didn't and that is such a lost... but we are used to such waste of talent aren't we ?..... not having Beauchemin playing for us the last 4 years was a waste...... not having Streit playing for us this season was a waste..... please pinch me someone.

vaya_'s picture
i'd take the 4-5 million komi wants and send it beauchemin's way!

I think I get it now. People think Price is a failure because he did not single-handedly win us a Cup the way Dryden or Roy did at the beginning of their careers. What people are forgetting is the terrific teams playing in front of them. Price did not even have Markov. Roy, for example, had Robinson, Chelios, Rick Green and Craig Ludwig. Price did not have Lang, Tanguay and a healthy Koivu. Roy had Bobby Smith, Mats Naslund, Carboneau, Ryan Walter, Lemieux, McPhee, Skrudland, and a young kid named Richer. Dryden and Roy were added to those teams when they were already otherwise developed into their primes. The difference with Carey Price is that he is starting early in the development stage, too. Most of the guys he will be winning Cups with are not playing with him yet. Comparing him to Dryden and Roy in this way is unfair. What would have happened if Patrick Roy was mercilessly and unfairly booed in '86 instead of '95?

Steve in Kingston's picture
As far as sub-0.880 goalies go, Carey Price is a definitely in the top-ten. (Show me the way to the next whiskey-bar. Oh don't ask why...)

Timo's picture
And Brisbois, don't forget he had the Breezer.

patrice brisebois's picture
not just any breezer,the FULL BREEZER. go "FULL BREEZER" at fullbreezer.com

Timo's picture
Was the Breezer full in 1993 or was he still in development?

JasonM's picture
Rookie season.

forskis's picture
1993 was the climax of the Breezer. "Even Roy can be run out of town after 2 Stanley Cups."

punkster's picture
I'm curious. How does a Full Breezer translate to the golf course? Is it in the backswing, the follow through, the stance, the hands? Teach us oh wise one.

Timo's picture
YOu know, I spent about 30 minutes trying to come up with some wise-ass comment linking FULL BREEZER to golf and I can't...

HardHabits's picture
In '86 nobody expected Roy or the Habs to go all the way. This season we were force fed 100 years of history with a side order of high expectations.

doug19's picture
Wow 2003 turned out to be a good draft year for many teams First Round 1 Pittsburgh Penguins (from Florida Panthers) Marc-Andre Fleury 2 Carolina Hurricanes Eric Staal C Canada 3 Florida Panthers (from Pittsburgh Penguins) Nathan Horton RW 4 Columbus Blue Jackets Nikolai Zherdev RW Russia CSKA 5 Buffalo Sabres Thomas Vanek LW Austria University of 6 San Jose Sharks Milan Michalek LW Czech Republic Ceske 7 Nashville Predators Ryan Suter D United States 8 Atlanta Thrashers Braydon Coburn D Canada Portland 9 Calgary Flames Dion Phaneuf D Canada Red Deer Rebels 10 Montreal Canadiens Andrei Kostitsyn RW Belarus 11 Philadelphia Flyers (from Phoenix Coyotes) Jeff Carter C 12 New York Rangers Hugh Jessiman RW United States 13 Los Angeles Kings Dustin Brown RW United States 14 Chicago Blackhawks Brent Seabrook D Canada Lethbridge 15 New York Islanders Robert Nilsson RW Sweden Leksands 16 San Jose Sharks (from Boston Bruins) Steve Bernier RW 17 New Jersey Devils (from Edmonton Oilers) Zach Parise C 18 Washington Capitals Eric Fehr RW Canada Brandon 19 Mighty Ducks of Anaheim Ryan Getzlaf C Canada Calgary 20 Minnesota Wild Brent Burns D Canada Brampton Battalion 21 Boston Bruins (from Toronto Maple Leafs) Mark Stuart D 22 Edmonton Oilers (from St. Louis Blues) Marc-Antoine Pouliot C 23 Vancouver Canucks Ryan Kesler C United States 24 Philadelphia Flyers Mike Richards C Canada Kitchener 25 Florida Panthers (from Tampa Bay Lightning) Anthony Stewart RW 26 Los Angeles Kings (from Colorado Avalanche) Brian Boyle C 27 Los Angeles Kings (from Detroit Red Wings) Jeff Tambellini LW 28 Mighty Ducks of Anaheim (from Dallas Stars) Corey Perry RW 29 Ottawa Senators Patrick Eaves RW United States Boston 30 St. Louis Blues (from New Jersey Devils) Shawn Belle D

throw in a g and that's essentially a whole team.

Timo's picture
So #$%& sad.

habsoul's picture
Sorry, I don't know why that posted twice.

habsoul's picture
The ineptitude of this year's version of the Canadiens became even more apparent as I watched the last two games of the San Jose-Anaheim series. Two tough, talented CALIFORNIA teams playing hockey at a very high level. Balls-out, tough, and talented. I know Montreal suffered injuries to key players, but if Lang, Markov, and Tanguay were 100% healthy for the Boston series, the Bruins would have still prevailed in 5-6 games. The series might have gone 7 if Halak had gotten a chance to steal a game. Carey Price a thoroughbred? Not yet, Mr. Gainey. Not yet. Make him fight for his job. And give Jaroslav Halak a chance to take it away from the Annointed One. I am no longer convinced that Mr. Price will take his place among the pantheon of Olympian net-minders that include players named Plante, Roy, and Dryden. Carey's free ride is over. He needs to become a premier goalie in 2009-10 or his days as a Hab are numbered. Komi is as gone and so is Schneider. I suspect Koivu is headed out the door as well—he's perfect as a second-line center for a team that's a player or two away from the Cup. Lang? Bring him back at a reasonable salary. The same for Tanguay. Kovalev as well. For all his shortcomings, he played his best when it counted. You keep Chris Higgins and put a "C" on his chest. You don't give up on the Kostitsyns yet, but you got some coaching and locker room leadership that help them reach their potential. The same for Plekanec. The key acquisition for next season is the Coach. No more first-timers. Bob Hartley comes to mind. Patrick Roy? He may rub people the wrong way, but I don't care; if he can get the most out of our players I say hire him. I am good at what I do and I get paid good money to it. But no one is going to pay me for past performance. I have to excel at a high level every single day. My clients expect nothing less and it's what I expect from myself. This should be the same for anyone who goes to work in a Montreal Canadiens jersey. Losing is not an option. Failure is not an option. These are the Montreal Canadiens—hockey's greatest franchise. Nothing less than a Stanley Cup victory is acceptable. This should be the prevailing mindset for everyone in management as well as for those employees who wear ice skates instead of loafers. You're not going to win it every year, but the right attitude will keep you in the mix right to the end. NO 25 IN 100

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likehoy's picture
you bringing this up pisses me off. :( (don't take it personal) - Pride + Envy = Second Place

Xtrahabsfan's picture
Oyyoiyoi,thanks for reminding me koopy,makes me want to snort Vodka:o

boy from school's picture
it's best not to think about it. although andrei was supposed to be a top 5 draft pick but his stock dropped cause of his epilepsy or whatever. but there's no reason why he can't turn into a 40 goal scorer. that being said, i'd still take carter, brown, burns, getzlaf, seabrook, kesler, perry, and richards over AK any day.

_koopy_'s picture
what's even worse is that in the next round that year, we took Cory Urquhart over Patrice Bergeron.

doug19's picture
Cory who? Where is he now?

likehoy's picture
maxime lapierre picked JUST before david backes - Pride + Envy = Second Place

That would bring us up to the 2005 draft. Tell me there aren't just a few guys you would have chosen ahead of Price. Have no size up the middle and pass on Kopitar? Brilliant, freakin' brilliant!

Les-Habitants's picture
Getting rid of Gainey would be a horrible mistake, and I am going to have to disagree with even the Living Legend of Sports Journalism on his take of the season...pardon me for that piece of heresy. Injuries were the major cause of this season's collapse, whereas all the subsequent issues were magnified as a result. Teams that were able to recover from their injuries, such as Anaheim and Pittsburgh, were able to do so because they got their players back at the right time. Anaheim had the additional benefit of having an elite level prospect who was NHL-ready, I'm referring to Bobby Ryan, waiting in the wings followed by the return of Beauchemin. Despite both Malkin and Crosby, the Pens were having a horrid first half until the return of Gonchar. Their winning ways return rather quickly with the addition of their best all-around D-man. Your Montreal Canadiens are not in need of a drastic overhaul. This season did demonstrate that we currently lack an elite level prospect currently playing in the AHL, and I say that despite the admirable performances by Weber, D'Ags, and Max-Pac. With the loss of key players who were counted on to produce, we did not having the scoring depth to replace 3 of our best players. Of the UFAs to sign, I hope the big 4 return: Komi, Koivu, Kovalev, and Tanguay. Each of those players provide a very tangible asset that the Canadiens need, and could not be replaced at this time, not to mention that they represent the leaders within the room. The loss of every single lettered player in the dressing room is not the right message. Losing Lang and Markov during the season did highlight that this team could use a large offensive centerman and another puck-moving D-man, and with 30mil in cap space I hope Gainey aims to attract those players through trades or free agency. But the core of this team is still very strong, and an overhaul would be a huge mistake. The 5 year plan is not in tatters by any means, but hampered by 276 days lost to injury. Just ask Vancouver what a healthy season can do, or Pittsburgh how valuable your best D-man is. Losing in this way sucked, but there is still a lot to be positive about.

HardHabits's picture
Even if what you say is true the Habs still need 3 top tier forwards including the ever elusive top line centre. Komi might have outstayed his welcome and I don't see him as a viable "leader" given his being owned by Lucic this year. Koivu is not going to give any team a full season without injury so he can't be a go to guy. Right there you diminish his leadership value. There are no 1st line players in Hamilton except maybe MaxPax and he'd need two players better than him to make a top line a real top line. The big weakness is at centre. I'd rather see a team dress 5 centres than 7 defenemen. A Kostitsyn can make himself look good if he scores 100 points next season otherwise that was the worst pick in decades, given the Habs weakness at centre and given that Getzlaf, Richards, Carter and Kessler were picked after him. I wont mention Parise because he's a winger, but he's still out classing A Kost but then again the Devils outclass the Habs too. Pittsburgh's season changed dramatically when they changed their coach and hence their system or style of play more than the return of Gonchar did. Nothing in my gut tells me the Habs can cause any damage next year. Everything in my gut tells me that 9th or 10th is likely, 8th or 7th possible, anything better highly improbable and much, much worse highly desirable.

Vid's picture
kostitsyn possibly the worst pick in decades? By virtue that he's had two 20+ goal NHL seasons would mean he absolutely can't be the worst pick in decades. Disappointing sure but not one of the worst. The habs have had many 1st round busts who didn't even play a full season in the NHL.

HardHabits's picture
Worst pick given the choices that year.

I was watching the Rangers/Washington game, hoping the Caps would go away or that Avery would catch a puck when I saw Koslov drive to the net and score. I don't remember seeing a Montreal Canadiens player do that since, well a long time. Maybe Kovalev when he was torqued at the team. D'Ags a few times when he first came up. Watching the other playoff teams makes me sad. Everybody has excuses but the Montreal Canadiens team plays the same way each year. Looking at the roster the players have changed considerably just in the last two seasons alone. Guys come in, play really well for a week or two, then they become like the others. There is something wrong with the Montreal Canadiens. They do not appear to be a fast team, or a gritty team. They do appear to work hard, but don't appear to work together. They do not seem to shoot very well, very often, or from high percentage areas. The points don't seem to work together, always on the boards trying to get the puck into the corners and leaving the whole width of the rink open between them. They appear to run around in their own end and it always seems they are beaten to the puck, and more importantly the open space by just about everyone except Boone. I don't know what is wrong with the Montreal Canadiens but it has been wrong for a long time and is not getting better. Me, I'm old, so I always fall back to strength down the center, but it is more than that. The fans and media are right to be angry because it is their devotion that pays the freight for the CH enterprise. Last year the team won the Conference, and failed miserably in the playoffs while healthy. This year, same old, only injuries are cited for eight place and bowing out in four straight. Gainey's fault? Price's fault? I don't think so. I think somewhere after Grundman got the GM job for no reason, and before Savard bowed out, the team (not the players) moved somewhere else. Tremblay and Houle were just the face of the new company. This is all about making $$ now. Do you think Dion and friends want to buy the team and Bell centre because they don't have a match to burn those extra dollars? Perhaps it is time for the fans to move on as well. Ovechkin may be a hot dog, and Crosby may go after every advantage, but they play hockey and so do their teams.

doug19's picture
Grundman instead of Bowman your right! The bigest mistake made in hockey ever!!!!! It belongs in the HALL OF SHAME! The best is now behind.

Ayan_SB's picture
Totally off-topic, but this is a rather hot way to diss Crosby. http://deadspin.com/5225245/maybe-shes-calling-sidney-crosby-a-pelvis

forskis's picture
Seeing as how many are throwing out their ideas to fix what ails the Habs...the ideas range from sophomore jinx/aberration-type patience to a full-blown tear down and start anew...I figure I might as well throw in another name into the hat for discussion purposes only as it is not an idea I prefer: How do you think Glen Sather would do in Montreal? He was responsible for the Oilers dynasty of the 80s, that last Cup against the B's and he kept the team relatively competitive and helped develop their kids during those shoestring budget years...seeing as how he has not helped really in NY, besides signing big-name free agents (Drury and Gomez...great centermen...but not if they are on the same team)...and he is used to the spotlight...would he be a good fit? Discuss. "Even Roy can be run out of town after 2 Stanley Cups."

Exit716's picture
Look at Sather's drafting record in Edmonton and NYC before thinking that smug SOB would work in Montreal. He's even more out to lunch than Gainey. At least Bob won a Cup 10 years ago, compared to 20 for old Slats.

forskis's picture
If you say Slats is more out to lunch than Gainey...then knowing what you think of Gainey...wow...that's really WAY out there... :P BTW is that avatar a picture of a real dog? I have always wondered. "Even Roy can be run out of town after 2 Stanley Cups."

TorontoHabsFan's picture
That's precisely the kind of thing that keeps me up at night. I think Montreal Sather would be exactly like New York Sather, and nothing like Edmonton Sather. Whenever the heat gets turned up NY Sather's answer is to make a big splashy FA signing with what appears to be little to no consideration about the future. I think he'd do the exact same thing with Montreal. *shudder*

forskis's picture
But you gotta admit, the flashy FA signing is what everyone has been clamoring for in Montreal...they may critique the price, but they will be on his side for getting the player...until it doesn't work out, then they will lambaste him for getting the player in the first place... "Even Roy can be run out of town after 2 Stanley Cups."

TorontoHabsFan's picture
Oh yeah, it's fun alright...but I'm sure you've looked at nhlnumbers.com and seen what NYR is up against next year? It's nuts. Actually now that I think about it - there have been precious few big FA signings ($6mil and over) that have worked out.... Brian Campbell is arguable...actually that'a all I can think of. Can you think of any recently (not players signing extensions like Ovechkin and Crosby...I'm talking about your regular run of the mill FA superstar)

forskis's picture
Drury has been scoring big goals but he cannot do it alone. Briere has put the numbers up, but even with the cast he has, they are not getting over the final hump for some reason. Khabibulin has finally worked out. "Even Roy can be run out of town after 2 Stanley Cups."

TorontoHabsFan's picture
Fair enough, but can you say that any of these guys are legtimately worth $6 or $7 million? Lately it seems like the big FAs don't pan out. It should be interesting to see what Atlanta does with Kovalchuk (and Columbus does with my hometown boy Nash) next year...

Eric37's picture
Well, Kovalev isn't worth 6 or 7. Markov is, but didn't have the chance to prove himself this year in the post season. Joe Thornton might want to be left off Boone's list... Regardless, the Canadiens need that kind of player. He isn't coming as a free agent though, not after this year. Will have to be trade, and for someone with a no trade clause. E.

forskis's picture
If the Sharks flame out tonight...Thornton is gonna be on his way out...maybe the Habs can be a destination, we love our headcases....but I think a talk with Gainey can cure what ails him in the playoffs. "Even Roy can be run out of town after 2 Stanley Cups."

mrhabby's picture
nope. scuttlebuck says...thornton and marleau for heatly and spezza. a change of scenery for classic underachievers.

forskis's picture
I heard the same thing on this site...would be a shock to the Ottawa system...hope Gainey can break that idea up. "Even Roy can be run out of town after 2 Stanley Cups."

Hayward4Price's picture
a walk along the old port? do you think kovy will tag along? :)

Eric37's picture
Markov. Kovalev is unstoppable in the play-offs. E.

This is getting silly. Markov is better than half of that list. He's easily one of the top five defencemen in the league. Half of those guys would be parted with in a blink of an eye if we were stupid enough to offer Markov. Iginla, Parise, the Sendins, and Thorton were not what they are now at 21, as Price will not be what he is now at 24 and for a decade after that. No, we don't have Ovechkin and Crosby and Thorton, but we didn't have Orr in the 70's and Lemieux in 93 and Thorton all those years we beat Thorton right out of Boston, either. Some guy (or woman) who knows nothing about hockey is going to end-up owning the team, picking a yes-man for g.m., and they're going to panic reading sites like this one and we'll end-up getting fleeced undervaluing all of our assets in trades as we were with Chelios, Leclair, Desjardins, Turgeon, Lumme, and on and on.

Ed's picture
Quote from Boone: "Off the top of my head, players still playing who are better than ANYONE on the Habs' roster: Alexander Ovechkin, Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Eric Staal, Zach Parise, Jarome Iginla, the Sedins, Jonathan Toews, Joe Thornton, Ryan Getzlaf ..." ______________________________________________________________________________________ Boone, you're just toying with us now, by stating the obvious.

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likehoy's picture
i like how the habs get two! - Pride + Envy = Second Place

yathehabsrule's picture
"As for goaltenders .... let's not go there, OK? " Oh why not? 26 degrees and sunny here and I'm at work, so I'm cranky! Varlamov, Hiller Just for you Price bashers out there..... Mind you kids, Hiller was 26 before he signed as an undrafted FA. Goes to show some goalies develop better at a later age.

TorontoHabsFan's picture
Aww Boone, I'm not sure you should've went with the Boomtown Rats reference...it's kind of in poor taste. from wiki: Geldof wrote the song after reading a telex report...on the shooting spree of 16-year-old Brenda Ann Spencer, who fired at children playing in a school playground across the street from her home in San Diego, California. She killed two adults and injured eight children and one police officer. Spencer showed no remorse for her crime, and her full explanation for her actions was "I don't like Mondays, this livens up the day." maybe it's not the best song to describe being bummed about the playoffs ;)

Mike Boone's picture
Oh for the love of God, gimme a break!

TorontoHabsFan's picture
Hey Boone, did you not notice the winky there at the end of my message? Winkys mean the preceeding is tongue in cheek. (but really, that song is depressing as hell once you know the story behind it)

Mike Boone's picture
Sorry, bro. I tend to overlook emoticons. My bad.

MikeL's picture
Let's add to that. All of the remaining players who would be the Habs number 1 center, and where they stand on their own team's depth chart: Pavel Datsyuk (1st) Henrik Zetterberg (2nd) Johan Franzen (3rd, 2nd line LW) Patrick Marleau (2nd) Joe Thornton (1st) Joe Pavelski (3rd) Mats Sundin (3rd/2nd line RW) Ryan Kesler (2nd) Henrik Sedin (1st) Oli Jokinen (1st) Jonathan Toews (1st) Patrick Sharp (2nd) Scott Gomez (1st) Chris Drury (2nd) Niklas Backstrom (1st) Travis Zajac (1st) Marc Savard (1st) Patrice Bergeron (2nd) David Krecji (3rd) Eric Staal (1st) Sidney Crosby (1st) Evgeni Malkin (2nd) Ryan Getzlaf (1st) Borderline: Daymond Langkow (2nd) Rod BrindAmour (2nd) Brandon Dubinsky (3rd) Sergei Fedorov (2nd) Valtteri Filppula (3rd) And that's only the remaining teams. Kinda scary. "Hey Brian, no hard feelings. Right?" ___________________________________________________________________________ "Everything's possible. But it's a long road and a long way ahead of us." - Saku Koivu

HardHabits's picture
That is so depressing.

patrice brisebois's picture
depression is just anger without enthusiasm,you need to go FULL BREEZER go "FULL BREEZER" at fullbreezer.com

Mike Boone's picture
Man, how did I forget Datsyuk and Zetterberg and Lidstrom and half their roster? I'm getting stupider by the day and today feels like next Thursday.

ButJohnnyLovesHockey's picture
Boone - If you have a chance to interview anyone (especially Price, Higgins or Komisarek) you should ask them about the double-standard of their complaints. They NEVER complain when they're put up on a pedestal despite average play but they complain when they stink up the joint (really badly) might I add? Price had a 4.something GAA! Komisarek was tremendously bad for most of this season. Higgins was blind until the very end (in a checking role). Know what? 80% of the fans still love them. These guys are frustrating because they're spoiled. Spoiled by having constant, mostly positive, attention. Only two people in the last 3 years REALLY got media/fan pressure. Carbonneau (unjustly, in my opinion) and Kovalev. In both cases they were "leader" icon's who were for some reason or other underperforming. People complained about Price... for a day or two. Then everyone would say "... but he's only 21". People complained about Komisarek... then everyone would say "but he's a leader!". A bunch of whiney, overpaid, underperforming losers is what they are. We need real players not these pansies.

You know, I was about to reply something, but there's just too much wrong in this post.

Depends. Are they healthy? There's not a team in the league, from San Jose on down, that can win a playoffs series missing their #1 D-man, let alone him plus two key forward and another top D-man. If the Habs were healthy, I think they would have a chance against several of those teams, yes... I don't know that they are better, I doubt it, but it would have been nice to find out and with the injuries they've had, that was plainly impossible. And in Markov, they do have a player that's better than several of those you name, although they're all forwards so the comparison is tough to make. But far from me to raise a dissenting note in the post-season bashfest. I know the Montreal sports media loves little more than to pick the Habs apart after a season. Take a deep breath. Crappy seasons happen, and the team is not nearly so bad as it showed in the latter part of the season (if it were, how come it was so good in the early going?) The worst thing that could happen is for management to be rash and ditch talented without taking good stock of their real ability and, if appropriate, their attitude (though ditching players for attitude reasons hasn't been a successful strategy for Montreal lately...) It's going to be nice next season -- this year is going to cause the expectations to be set unreasonably low, and Montreal should have no trouble beating them if they don't suffer the same silly number of injuries. One could easily argue that with all the injuries they had (never mind the media tempests), 93 points is a shockingly good result...

I would have never bothered with my comment if I saw this one first which says it all better than I did.

I'm not saying the team couldn't use some fixing, and this offseason is a prime opportunity to do that. But to panic, blow it up, let all the UFAs go, and trade Plekanec, Higgins and the Kostitsyn brothers for peanuts will set the team back a lot more, even if they decide they DO want to rebuild (which I don't feel they need to do). The team is being exclusively evaluated on its post-ASG performance, and that's not a good way to get a complete picture. You have to worry that they went downhill (rather than start bad and go up), but those pre-ASG games are part of the team's overall performance, too. The difference between the two is so great that a worthwhile pursuit would be to figure out WHY a team that was chasing the Bruins and put its coach in the ASG as the second-best win% in the conference played like a lottery team after the ASG with very little transition.

If anyone is dumb enough to give Komarisek $6 M a year I think he had better grab it and run. This is a team in turmoil whether those with blind allegiance believe it or not.The list of Mr. Boone's of players better than anyone on the current Habs is probably a heck of a lot longer those he noted. We hear of the montreal "core"...who, pray tell, would they be??? Other than Markov and MAYBE Koivou because of his heart and Kovalev (maybe)......what difference does it make? Georges? Plekanek? the Kosy-Snot-sons? Which ones couldn't be replaced? Remember..there are all those hall of famers in waiting just standing by in Hamilton. Courtesy of that all time great drafter, Timmins.

Komisarek is constantly bashed for his next contract...when did he go out and said ''hey, I'm gonna get 6 million next year!'' Never. If people overrated him and what he's worth, it's not his fault. I don't get why people are always insulting him on that.

Na, double post

Glorious CH's picture
we suck badly, and with Bob still calling the shots it aint gonna get any better

Captain aHab's picture
Oh get over it boys...they're out. It's a sunny summer day today. Go outside and have a beer. Does wonders... __________________________________ From Hell's Heart I Slap At Thee!!

TorontoHabsFan's picture
In two hours my friend, in two more measely hours :D

captaink4life's picture
A lady friend of mine (and for those of you that are so preoccupied with the name of my source send me an e-mail and I'll give you her name because I don't want to have it floating around on H I/O) was at Buona Notte on St. Laurent last Friday night (2 days after the Habs were eliminated). For those of you that don't already know, Buona Notte is a restaurant during the day and a club at night. In any case, she was on her way out when she noticed Komi lurking in one of the VIP areas. He called her over (she's a very pretty girl) and they started talking. He was with Gorges, Price, Higgins and Markov. Being a pretty big Habs fans she asked him what everyone wants to know: What happened against the B's? Are you coming back next year? etc etc He gave her the same answers he gave the media for why they lost against the Bruins i.e. too many injuries, they were a great team etc. After that he actually told her that he was almost positive he wouldn't be back with the Habs. He said the team offered him $3M/season and he was looking more in the $6M/season range (can you freakin believe that???). He said he's already looked at Dallas as a possible destination. He also told her that he "hates all Montreal fans" (quoting her directly here) for what the fans at the Bell did during Game#4. Final note... While talking to Komi she noticed that Markov was beyond drunk and that he was dancing on a table. I wouldn't be passing judgment if he hadn't ended the season on the sidelines because of a so called "lower body" injury. _____________________________ Koivu for Prime Minister :) Drive for 25!!

habsoul's picture
This is so stupid. Why do some people get off on making up stories about players? Markov dancing on a table? Yeah, right. And Komisarek sharing negotiation details with a woman he just met! Beyond ludicrous. Say, as long as you're fabricating stories that defame sports figures why not go all the way and say your "friend" smoked crack with Gainey and he told her that he had hired Russian mobsters to "take out" Grabovski and make it look like a boating accident. People like you make me ashamed to be a Habs fan. NO 25 IN 100

captaink4life's picture
WHY THE HELL WOULD I MAKE THIS STORY UP? DANCING ON TABLES AT CLUBS IS VERY COMMON PRACTICE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE INEBRIATED BUT MAYBE YOU'RE TOO OLD TO REMEMBER THAT. PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING A FELLOW HABS FANS MAKE ME ASHAMED OF BEING A HUMAN BEING. IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT MAKE ME LOSE FAITH IN MANKIND. YOU HAVE TRUST ISSUES. _____________________________ Koivu for Prime Minister :) Drive for 25!!

zozotheclown's picture
Regarding Markov, I can atest, and im sure many others can as well, that a solid amount of alcohol can make any kind of muscle or ligament pain disappear completely. Just another perk of alcohol, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems :)

captaink4life's picture
You're right about that lol _____________________________ Koivu for Prime Minister :) Drive for 25!!

Hayward4Price's picture
if only gainey knew this...he would put grey goose in the water bottles and cosmopolitans in the gatorade bottles :)

itpf's picture
First, I don't put any credence into these second hand fan stories. I remember after Schnieds was hurt someone said that they, themselves has seen Schnieds in a sandwich shop with a neck brace, and that Schnieds told them he's done for the season. But then a few days later he was back playing... with a shoulder injury that had nothing to do with the neck. Second, you're implying that Markov didn't play cause he's an alcoholic, right? So you're lady friend may not be the type to lie, but you're just some anonymous person on the internet.




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