The PP

posted by Mike Boone at 18h16 EST on Jul 1


First wave: Gomez, Cammalleri, Markov, Spacek and ... AK46? Kovy if he comes back? Tanguay?

Not a Johan Franzen among them, but still pretty good.

Weber and Hamrlik on the second wave, with Gui!, maybe the brothers ...

This was an interesting day.

The D is better with Spacek and Gill.

Gomez and Cammalleri are very good forwards.

The team still needs some size, though.

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You look at the money Mike Komisarek signed for and you wonder what the Canadiens' offer was, and how much value they put on a player they know more about than Brian Burke does.

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Not exactly a stampede out in the market to sign Saku Koivu, Alex Kovalev or Alex Tanguay.




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Chris's picture

We don't know how much of a stampede there has been on Koivu or Tanguay.  I don't actually expect Koivu to sign for a few days...I really don't think he cares that much about the size of the salary at this point...he's going to take a look around the landscape and probably try to pick a contender. 

I'm not as sold about him going to Minnesota...many seem to take this as a done deal.  He said it would be nice, but he also expressed reservations about stepping into his brother's personal space while he's developing his own personality as an NHL star. 

Washington has about $4 million in cap space and need a centre to replace Fedorov.  San Jose has almost $5 million in cap space, but don't have as clear a need for a centre unless they deal one of Marleau or Thornton.  New Jersey has $10 million in cap space.  Carolina need a centre and have $7 million in space...

Koivu will have some interesting offers to ponder, I suspect...


J.J. of Turku's picture

According to NHL.com Kovalev signed for 2 years $ 9 M with Habs... How about that?


HardHabits's picture

Link please?


J.J. of Turku's picture

I´ve lost it... Still looking... I was kinda all over the net... I´ll send it here asap...


HardHabits's picture

I think it might be the false alarm from earlier today.


J.J. of Turku's picture

I bet my house on that it WAS in this story http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=433109 Seems like they took it away...?? Sorry..


Niflster's picture

Seems it's still out there. Althought NHL.com has been too fast at reporting it. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=432992

If anyone can counter that report, I would be glad to hear about it.

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sisu's picture

Cammalleri was an overpay, coming off a career year which he's unlikely to repeat.  *Never* buy high. 

Tanguay for the same term/dollars would be much more palatable.

 

Gomez+Cammalleri = $13.35M

Sedin+Sedin = $12.2M

 

Gainey should have offered the Sedins $7M each for 5 or 6 years.  OTOH, Maybe he did.


The Sedins took a hometown discount. Just because we can throw out higher numbers doesn't mean we're guaranteed them, the players themselves still have opinions as to where to go.

(100 in 25!-- ...what?)


showey47's picture

Gainey couldn't offer the sedin's anything they never officially hit the ufa market.Never buy high? What do you think july 1st is, a yard sale? Have you ever heard of a top 6 forward selling himself to the lowest bidder on july 1st?


sisu's picture

Sigh.

 

Buying high, in this case, would be signing, say, Cammalleri because he's coming off a career year.  Buying low would be, say, Tanguay.

 

Tanguay is the better player, but he'll get less of a contract than Cammalleri's because he's had an off year.

 


showey47's picture

Actually tanguay has had an off last 2 seasons and still made 5.75 million dollars. Tanguay is the better playmaker but cammilleri is the better goal scorer and can play any of the 3 forward positions.I still think we are going to keep tanguay and kovalev also. Oh i forgot.......sigh.


ZepFan2's picture

You could be right on signing one of those two. We still have 10.5 million left in cap space. Depending what happens with or RFs, Bob may be able to pull something out of his sleeve.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The patience that Bob Gainey showed me when he could have gotten rid of me years ago, I am just really grateful for it." - Mike Modano, June 30, 1999


TorontoHabsFan's picture

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=49660

 

not a career year, his 2nd 80 pt season in 3 years.


sisu's picture

82 > 80, therefore "career year."


sisu's picture

I like the Gill contract.  Spacek, not so much.

For all the experience the Habs now have on the blue line, *no one* has regularly played the right side.  This will hurt the PK most of all.


likehoy's picture

what's the deal on havlat?

- Pride + Envy = Second Place


ZepFan2's picture

He signed with the Wild.

6 years, 30m

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The patience that Bob Gainey showed me when he could have gotten rid of me years ago, I am just really grateful for it." - Mike Modano, June 30, 1999


Brian14's picture

I lived in Calgary last year and saw Cammi play. He is very comfortable playing on the wing. He's a deadly one-timer shooter from the right side and he should be able to put up similar numbers here with Gomez feeding him. He's got wheels and some grit but has a tendancy to leave the defensive zone early and gets caught out of position. Jacques Martin should be able to cure him of those bad habits.


TorontoHabsFan's picture

It would appear that the big offers that Komisarek's agent was expecting never materialized. I'm guessing once he saw the king's ransom Anaheim got for Pronger and the $6m extension Niedermeyer signed that his client would easily get in the $5m + range. Signing so quickly with Toronto for such a (relatively) low figure would suggest that his agent got scared that nothing better was ever going to come along and so he jumped.

Burke HAD to do something having lost out on the Sedins and Ohlund (and this after he flew to Sweden to make his pitch personally!), so he gets a player that he can pretend was his focus all along.

You gotta wonder, if they actually do trade Kaberle for Kessel...who the hell is going to play the point on their PP? Komisarek? Schenn? Finger? Exelby? Van Ryn? Ian White is about it really...

(now I hope and pray The Monster signs in Dallas - it will make Burke's off-season of discontent complete!)


Kovy, Tang, Lang, Saku? The Habs still need 1 or 2 of these guys.


dpthehabsfan's picture

Wasn't a big fan of Alexei last year, but now that the dust has settled, I'd take him out of that group. I suspect BG wanted to sign Tanguay, but his camp is probably asking for one of these new-fangled 22 year contracts.

Personally, I feel the Koivu years should be over, and I guess Habs management feels the same. Otherwise they would have signed him before today.


Sanchin Films's picture

I would really like to see Tanguay back again. When he's healthy, he's dynamite. However, he'll probably find playing for Martin just as palatable as he did Keenan. Yet for all the talk of adding Cup rings with Gill and Gomez, people forget Tanguay has one of his own - and I remember him scoring some biggies for the Avs in the '01 final.

It's been an interesting day. For years I've been a believer in Mr. Gainey, but I'm not sure about what I've seen today. The Canadiens are settling for the table scraps of free agency, and paying for filet mignon.

The Canadiens have the best fans, the best building, and now the best practice and conditioning facility in the league. If the Heatleys and Hossas and, yes, the Lecavaliers still aren't sold on playing in Montreal, maybe it's time the Habs found a better salesman than Bob.


cerbere29's picture

The team that needed to get bigger keeps getting smaller.  BG is spending cap space like a sailor on leave.  He's turning out to be the second coming of Réjean Houle.

meanwhile, the Laughs are following a proven plan (hello, Ducks!) and will run us out of our barn next season.

Depressing.

Quo vadis, Bob?


Not everyone likes mercurial in fans. While its nice to have high highs, the low lows can kind of suck.

(100 in 25!-- ...what?)


HardHabits's picture

He scored the Stanley Cup series winner.


JB_15's picture

Spacek - 45 points
Cammalerri - 82 points

Gomez - 58 points

Total - 185

 

Alex Tanguay - 41 points

Mike Komisarek - 9 points

Chris Higgins - 23 points

Total - 73 points

 

Good decisions in my opinion. Even with the loss of McDonagh and potentially Koivu.


Bahamut-Prime's picture

Except tanguay and Higgins were injured most of the season Komisarek's job isn't to put up points and that all together our new players cost roughly 8 million more


HabsFanInVictoria's picture

Does anybody have any info on Koivu?  Could he still sign?  I know we have Camo, Pleks and Gomez at centre, but couldn't Camo play wing to Gomez?  Couldn't Koivu sign and then have Pleks get traded?

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB PLEASE SIGN KOIVU!


ZepFan2's picture

Yes, Koivu has had offers from a couple of teams, but he wants to wait and see what Montreal will do, as he would like to stay in Montreal.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The patience that Bob Gainey showed me when he could have gotten rid of me years ago, I am just really grateful for it." - Mike Modano, June 30, 1999


By my math, we have almost $10,000,000 left with 18 players. Does not include Max, Webber or Stewart. If Kovy comes back at 4.5 ml and with those three that would leave us $3 ml to spend.


According to HockeyBuzz(http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=MON), we have 13 million (closer to 14), so we could technically sign Kovalev and another. Not too shabby.

EDIT: Or, I don't know how to work with cap numbers. No surprise here.

(100 in 25!-- ...what?)


To expand, $13.8 - $8 ml for Pleks,Lats,Matt,Stewart, Max and Webber leaves $5.8 ml to sign Kovy or whomever.


according to NHLcap we have 13.8 mil left.  about 8-9 mil of that will go to signing RFAs  which leaves about 5 mil for one more top line player.  i'd bet on one of kovalev or koivu.  hope for koivu.  don't think cammalleri will be playing center for us.  he's better on the wing and would be a good pair with gomez


Shiloh's picture

Maybe Komi and Koivu are already done deals in Montreal and they're waiting to fashion their contracts to give us the right cap numbers. If they'll take creative deals we've got room for a big signing still.


Habs Fan in Hogtown's picture

Yeah... interesting that none of them have been jumped on since they were so dominant last year. As we were watching our side implode against the Bruins, I said to a friend that we needed to explode that team and start over again - tweeking wasn't going to cut it. Guess I wasn't the only one thinking that way...


fun police's picture

we are better.  i think it is obvious that komi had no intention of playing in montreal.  i like our d better. 


Chuck's picture

Yep... if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!


Bahamut-Prime's picture

I'm kinda amazed Koivu hasn't gone to join his brother yet. He's Also one of the best centres on the market.

As for Kovy and Tanguay those players only go after teams have given up on bigger name players such as Gaborik and Havlat.


line-up

gomez - cammalleri - ???

Plekanec - a. kost - s. kost

lapierre - latendresse - pacioretty

metropolit - stewart - chipchura / laraque / d'aggostini

markov - hammer

spacek - gill

gorges - weber / o'byrn

price - halak

who's the leader on this team?  who signs next? it's either kovalev.  or koivu re-signs with plekanec moving back to the wing, which is where i think he belongs.  can we re-sign both?  can they co-exist?


Habs Fan in Hogtown's picture

Gomez and cammalleri are both centers, so I doubt they'll play on the same line... which mean a resigned lang/ koivu in place of pleks, who could be traded. if we resign kovalev it will be him and a. kost on the wings with pacioretty/dags as a second line...


cammalleri is better on the wing and will probably play with gomez.  doubt he will play the middle for us


choover's picture

The leadership is a big question.

It's not one of the new guys. It's not Markov as much as his tenure and talent level would suggest.

I don't know.


could Lapierre get an A?  wouldn't surprise me