The puzzler

posted by Mike Boone at 16h17 EST on Jul 4


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Alex Tanguay: still floating around in the ether, four days into free agency.

Proven scorer.

Proven playmaker.

Not yet 30.

So what gives?

Were the shoulder injures worse than anyone let on?

Is the guy a closeted heroin addict?

A year ago, Bob Gainey gave the Calgary Flames his 2008 first-round draft choice and a 2009 second-rounder for Tanguay.

In 50 games, Tanguay scored 16 goals and added 25 assists. His plus-13 was the team's best.

Late in the season, Tanguay joined Saku Koivu and Alex Kovalev (two more players no one is ina rush to sin) to form the Canadiens' most dangerous forward line. The way they threw the puck around was a joy to watch – in a season that was decidedly short of joyful spectacle.

Maybe it's because Tanguay wore the number of thatother guy Gainey chased last summer.

Previous 13s on the Canadiens were Lorenzo Bertrand, Edmond Bouchard and Billy Boucher – none of whom would have made a splash in free agency if it existed in 1913-'14 (Betrand) or 1921-'22 (Bouchard and Boucher).

Or maybe it's the money: Tanguay made $5.25 million – a lot of bread for 16 goals

Whatever, I just find it odd a player this talented hasn't found ANYONE to sign him.

 




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"Is the guy a closeted heroin addict?"

Wow, Boone you better be careful with that kind of accusation. Do you have a photo of him shooting up in the Bell Centre dressing room? If I were Tanguay, I'd call up my lawyer and sue you (and Canwest Publishing Inc.) for libel.

Please go back to "writing" stories about iPhones.


your reading comprehension skills aren't too good are they Einstein? stay in school genius...


Ramseys HIO Nightmares's picture

Oh... you ARE that stupid!


he clearly wasn't serious, genius, he was thinking up some ridiculous scenario that would explain tanguay not finding a team yet


MTL LOVE's picture

Him not being signed doesn't mean anything really..Why aren't Kovy and Koivu or others signed? Maybe he's sifting through posibilities about where to play next lol

I'm sure you are still happy Mike, BG hasn't dealt Gorges..because I will find it rather difficult watching the habs without Ak27 :( aka the artiste!


sisu's picture

Check out Mirtle's latest.

Tanguay is a player.  Whoever signs Tanguay is going to get a fantastic deal.


If 5.25 million is too much to pay for 16 goals then I'm guessing 8 million is too much to pay for 17 goals.

 

 TO NEXT YEAR...


crabvader's picture

In Tanguay's case, 5.25 mil is not too much because he is very much a point-per-game player. I don't know what this obsession with goals is. An assist counts for the SAME THING as a goal. IT'S A POINT! GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS! IN ORDER TO GET AN ASSIST, A GOAL MUST BE SCORED. MEANING YOU CONTRIBUTED TO THAT GOAL. I feel like I'm going crazy.


TripleX's picture

A pure goal scorer is more valuable due to the simple fact they can succeed alone.  Ovechkin will score no matter who is linemates are, heck the guy could score on a line by himself.  Setup guys need someone to setup.  Without a sniper to feed the puck to they are useless.  No coincidence that after signing Gomez, BG made it a priority to sign Gionta.  If you pay 5.25 mil to Tanguay then you also need a sniper for him to play with.  THAT IS WHY GOAL SCORERS ARE USUALLY PAID MORE.


crabvader's picture

Not unless you're an assist man. Look at Koivu through all the years he's played with us. He's never REALLY had pure goal scorers on his line up until recently. He's still got PLENTY of assists. Good playmakers bring the best out of any player. Tanguay is, in my opinion, an amazing playmaker. So is Koivu.


TripleX's picture

So Bob made a 5 million dollar a year mistake in Gionta?  Obviously Gomez doesn't need anyone to get his points.  Why not give that money to Koivu or Beauchemin?


 Valid point that I think most are aware of but I'm confused about who has the thick skull that  you're referring to? Must be Boone since he threw it out there  and nobody agreed with it. Did they?

 

 TO NEXT YEAR...   


crabvader's picture

Generalizing because I've heard it plenty of times. It's as if playmakers aren't worth a damn to anyone here...


t1tan5's picture

I'm trying to think of a counter-argument but I can't. Good point.


Fool of Chu's picture

YES!

 


 ... this afternoon i asked Canes Country's Bubba this question : ..... 

 Hi Bubba & Cory In Montreal we are hearing the rumors that Alex Tanguay has lower his asking price drastically and is headed to Carolina cuz he’s a perfect fit for your system. Is there any truth to these rumors. Thanks Bryan.

by nightmare_49 on Jul 5, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs          ..........................................  Bubba's reply .....  

no way they let Ruutu walk.

Tanguay would be a nice luxury, but the Canes would have to move players to make room for him on the roster and in the budget.

GM of CanesCountry.com

by Bubba on Jul 5, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs    .......   and there were many other responces


This morning i asked The Thrashers top blog a question: to The Falconer ......  In Montreal there is a strong rumor that Waddell is very interested in Kovy to help your PP and maybe play with the other two Russians (Kovalchuk-Antropov). Any truth to the rumor.        ................. I thank The Falconer for his Answer: .....  

I’m skeptical because I think the Thrashers have spent their budget. They have to stay under the mid point or they start to lose some revenue sharing money. Also Kovalev can be pretty erratic and frustrating—and Waddell tends to avoid those type of players.

All things Thrashers + stats: www.birdwatchersanonymous.com

by The Falconer on Jul 5, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0


The Professor's picture

"Also Kovalev can be pretty erratic and frustrating—and Waddell tends to avoid those type of players"

 

...

 

 

... Antropov?


CharlieHodgeFan's picture

Kovalev was the heart and soul of last year's habs!

Exactly.

 


likehoy's picture

right and that could be interpreted as the reason why the team lacked heart and soul last year!

post hoc ergo propter hoc

- thanks for everything, saku koivu.


Fool of Chu's picture

Kovalev always had his allures and issues, but I still like him.

Funny thing is, the people with real issues (The K's, Plekanec) stay, as do the guys with ambivalent (at best) potential (D'Agostini, O'Byrne, Price,...).

 


HardHabits's picture

Kazing!


Captain aHab's picture

Until I hear a better theory, I'll stick to mine which was that all the rumours about Tangs not playing the playoffs despite fairly minor injuries were actually true and the league knows about it now. Either that, or he was an expensive complainer.

There had to be a big reason: the guy is a francophone, was gotten for two high picks and played fairly well. HAD to be off-ice issues unless he asked for $7M a year.

From Hell's Heart I Slap At Thee!!


If Koivu, Kovalev and Tanguay are gone they are gone and I wish them well, but I do think they should put money aside and come back for one year at a 1.5 million each and go get that cup. Those guys would make a great second line, that most teams could not deal with. I don't think the habs lack of size would matter much then. They would probably still need one more D man and of course Price would have to be at his best to win with any line up.

Third line, pleks and the brothers

Fourth line, Maxime with Gui and Max Pac

Greg Stewart and Big Goerge in the press box to be used when needed.

That's my fantasy, 

The cup would be a lot sweeter with Koivu.


Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture

look into the light... come back to us... you can't stay in 'fantasy land' forever...

I know anything can happen any given year, but you think the Habs will be hoisting the cup next year???  take a reality pill...


I know it ain't gonna happen, and I certainly I don't think there are any cups in the near future, unless of course my fantasy second line comes true.

Gainy seems to building the team as if he thinks the next cup is not to far away.

I sure hope gainy gets Beauchemin, that will be all I need to happily sit in front of RDS next season.


RiverviewCanadien's picture

Nice pipe dream, that would be sweet! I would be happy even if it was just Kovy and Koivu back for one more year...


oshawahabsfan's picture

Tanguay is a better playmaker than Gomez and Gionta, and has better hands around the net. The only area those two have him beat is defensive play, from their years in Jersey. However Tanguay did lead in plus/minus last season. We need some secondary scoring depth, and forgive me for not being an optimist here, but if the Bros. and Pleks are the players from last season, well we're not going to have any. Tanguay is a sure fire consistent point producer, and last season was the first time he missed any significant time with injury, so don't start with the he's soft, made of glass bullshit because you couldn't be more wrong


Tanguay is damaged goods and always seems to be hurt in the playoffs when you need him. Gomez is way tougher.

22-Apr-09 Missed 2 playoff game (shoulder injury).
20-Apr-09 Shoulder injury, day-to-day.
19-Mar-09 Missed 1 game (illness).
17-Mar-09 Illness, day-to-day.
06-Mar-09 Missed 28 games (separated left shoulder).
01-Jan-09 Separated left shoulder, mid-February.
02-Dec-08 Missed 2 games (neck injury).
28-Nov-08 Neck injury, day-to-day.
20-Mar-08 Missed 1 game (broken toe).
18-Mar-08 Broken toe, day-to-day.
04-Mar-08 Missed 3 games (neck injury).
26-Feb-08 Neck injury, day-to-day.
23-Dec-06 Missed 1 game (charley horse).
19-Dec-06 Charley horse, day-to-day. 
11-Apr-06 Missed 10 games (sprained knee).
20-Mar-06 Sprained knee, mid-April.
28-Feb-06 Missed 1 game (hip flexor).
12-Feb-06 Hip flexor, day-to-day. 
23-Jul-04 Re-signed by the Colorado Avalanche to a one-year contract.
16-Jul-04 Filed for salary arbitration.
05-May-04 Missed Game 6 of Round Two against the San Jose Sharks (lower body injury).
04-May-04 Lower body injury, day-to-day.
24-Apr-04 Missed tha last game of Round One against the Dallas Stars and Game One of Round Two against the San Jose Sharks (knee injury).
17-Apr-04 Knee injury, day-to-day.
07-Apr-04 Missed the last 11 games of the regular season (knee injury).
14-Mar-04 Knee injury, sidelined indefinitely.
26-Dec-03 Missed 2 games (groin).
19-Dec-03 Groin, day-to-day. 
31-May-02 Missed Game 5 and 6 of Conference Finals against Detroit (leg injury).
27-May-02 Leg injury, day-to-day.
08-Feb-02 Missed 2 games (hip injury).
30-Jan-02 Hip injury, day-to-day.
09-Jan-02 Missed 3 games (ankle injury).
01-Jan-02 Ankle injury, day-to-day.
29-Dec-01 Missed 1 game (ankle injury).
27-Dec-01 Ankle injury, day-to-day.
24-Nov-01 Missed 6 games (sinusitis).
10-Nov-01 Sinusitis, day-to-day.


Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture

that list could pretty much summarize the average career of an NHLer.  the above poster made a good point:  2009 was the only year Tanguay had a serious injury in his career and he still put up good numbers in the amount of games he played.


Can you read? He's had a neck, knee, and groin injury...and a shoulder with us....those are all serious injury's at high risk for re-agravating. Gomez has been injured a lot less....and doesn't get injured everytime the playoffs role aroung like tanquay. then there are the rumours of Tanguay not really being hurt for some of the games he missed. whatever hte case Bob had a good reason not to sign him.


Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture

missing 5-10 games a season doesn't  = serious injury.  that's like saying BGL is made of glass...by the way, why would you compare Tang's injuries with Gomez? if you're using that kind of "logic" then maybe we should be really concerned for Gomez cuz he sustained a broken pelvis in ECHL...

 

oh, and rumours are just that.  don't believe everything you hear.  Tanguay puts up decent numbers and is a competitor.  You honestly think he would want to shy away from playing in the playoffs?


likehoy's picture

tanguay is very good defensively...he makes the safe play int he d-zone...i'd love to have him back, but i think the difference in heart is what cuts him out.

tanguay relies a lot on his skills and i wouldn't call him soft but he's not as aggressive and tenacious as he can be...if he had that added to his game, he'd be a top 10 player with his skill and tenacity...but he's just a ball of skill.

- thanks for everything, saku koivu.


Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture

great player and playmaker, but lacks grit. 


oshawahabsfan's picture

Yes I agree he is very good defensively, just knowing that those two played in Jersey I'd give them a slight edge there. In terms of pure skill, I'd say Tanguay is on par if not better than the three new players we picked up. I don't see how having Tanguay could be anything but positive. There's no such thing as having too many offensive players, especially when as it stands we have one line of proven scorers.


Moey's picture

Can someone explain to me why there is a bring back Kovy petition when Kovy was offered a contract and HE decided not to re-sign here, or am I missing something?

 

 

http://moeymusings.blogspot.com/


Maybe some fans want in on dictating the terms of future deals?


Moey's picture

The message was loud and clear,neither Komo or Kovy came back with a counter offer.  Translation - I DON'T WANT TO PLAY IN MONTREAL ANYMORE.

http://moeymusings.blogspot.com/


Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture

that's the way I see it.  Russian Primadonna... err Kovalev talked the talk of "I love Mtl and want to play here forever, yada yada yada", but when it came down to actually putting those words to action he walked!!!  Glad to see him go.


A minor fact? I guess it's just fashionable to take to the streets for everything these days. Where were these people when Houle and Tremblay sent Roy away? How's the weather in Montreal this afternoon. If it's nice, I say just get out there and protest to your heart's content.


likehoy's picture

are you suggesting a protest against the protest?!

- thanks for everything, saku koivu.


Protests are just an excuse for getting out of the house and enjoying the summer weather.


RiverviewCanadien's picture

Ok I realize there are some people that are taking actions to try and convince BG and Kovy to come to terms and make a deal. I would love to see him back with the team just as much as the next Kovy fan (and Canadiens fan). I will not protest, or collect somewhere to chant his name, but there are those that would and I say more power to you. There are fans that are criticizing them, I say, leave them alone and let them be, it is all positive anyways (which is something this team needs), so don't be negative towards them. Fans will be fans, no matter who they cheer for, they all do the same (actors, actresses, musicians, etc).

Wasn't it fans of the NYI that said they would be refunding season tickets, etc if Snow did not draft Tavares? Fans are crazy, they do crazy and passionate things (I remember going to the Game 7 MTL vs BOS and what took place after the win, CRAZY!)

So cheer up everyone that will miss Kovy, I will as well, but this team is on good hands and I think it will be exciting to watch this season, with or without L'Artiste.

GO HABS GO!


likehoy's picture

good post

i'm indifferent towards kovy or koivu's return to the habs because they have been very serviceable (sp?) during their tenure as habs...but with a new look and a new direction...i don't feel it necessary to dip into the past like we've so often have in the past 5 years (muller, carbo, jarvis, brisebois, schneider, molsons?)

- thanks for everything, saku koivu.


EricInStL's picture

I basically think our biggest concern is our goaltending and how will Martin handle a subpar start by Price (hope not), will he have the option of going with Halak.

I believe that BG is going all out, and will not hesitate to give the green light to Martin to pull the plug on Price.

Any thoughts ??? As I think this is the biggest mystery of the season to come.

_________________________ Scream for me Montreal.....


Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture

I'd be very surprised if Gainey pulled the plug on his "thoroughbred".  Then again, he did say getting Carbo was his best move...


likehoy's picture

off topic, but i'm starting to feel sorry for all the ex-girlfriends and boyfriends of the people who won't let kovy go...get over it!

- thanks for everything, saku koivu.


They're on the verge of turning into stalkers!


Kristopher7's picture

 

nhl.com poll

Who is going to lead the Rangers in scoring in 2009-10?

Sean Avery:
 8.29 %
Ryan Callahan:
 8.18 %
Chris Drury:
 29.50 %
Brandon Dubinsky:
 11.72 %
Chris Higgins:
 16.85 %
Nikolai Zherdev:
 25.47 %
lol at higgins being 3rd.

 


likehoy's picture

where's gaborik?

- thanks for everything, saku koivu.


HardHabits's picture

On the IR!


ZepFan2's picture

Maybe they already know he'll be injured, so why waste the time?!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them." - Sam Pollock


HardHabits's picture

I geuss you and I are not the only ones.


flipshot's picture

I think it's the receding hairline. He just doesn't look good in team photos.


georgesd's picture

Today at 1PM, at the Place du Centenaire/Centre Bell, there will be a Bring Kovalev Back 'manifestion'. For those of us who support a bring Kovy back Petition (two of them, plse see my earlier post), this is your chance.

Cheers, GD


likehoy's picture

get over it!

- thanks for everything, saku koivu.


NightRyder's picture

tools


Puck Bard's picture

I will be hosting a counter rally... in my living room. It's called "Welcome the new face of the Habs and get over it." I'll Twitter it for you.


Sorry, I won't be able to attend. I'm too busy organizing a "bring back Ken Dryden" rally.


twocents's picture

"Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them." - Sam Pollock


ZepFan2's picture

Hey toi la! Laissez-moi ma sig! ;)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them." - Sam Pollock


twocents's picture

J'ai juste l'empreunte temporairement. C'etait necessaire. :-)


ZepFan2's picture

What? I don't understand you.

Lol

It's cool, and it was necessary!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them." - Sam Pollock


Kristopher7's picture

Good quote.


dysonsphere's picture

what exactly is the point of this rally.  I mean do you think that BG is going to sign him cause a bunch of fanatics chant his name outside the Bell Centre?  If so that is pretty bad management and he indeed should be fired.  If it is to show support and appreciation for the player then wait until he has signed somewhere else and hold a vigil.  This is not a cause worthy of a protest/rally, it is trivial.  I am ususally pretty easy going and don't get offended much, but given the protests in Iran lately I think this is a bit insulting.


georgesd's picture

I posted on the MAIN that there are two petitions circulating in favor of bringing back Kovalev:

1) at http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/sauvons-kovalev it's up to 8643 and climbing very fast

2) at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/kovalev/signatures.html it's up to 6910 and climbing as well

This totals up to over 15,500 signatures for Kovy being brought back to the Habs.

In comparison, with no disrespect to Koivu, at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/bringbacksaku/signatures.html, there are 2573 signatures climbing at a 1/10 th the speed of the above two for Kovy and especially 1).

Without discrediting Koivu's merits, it is obvious that Kovalev is by far a much more popular choice.

GD


twocents's picture

Forward George, Forward, it's time to move on.


Chris's picture

Popularity and the right thing don't always go hand in hand...see this year's all-star game voting.  :)


georgesd's picture

Mike

This could prove to be Gainey's biggest mistake, signing Tanguay for two draft picks (first, second) and getting in return only 41 points in 50 games.

Gainey stated that with Gomez in the fold he didn't need another passer but rather more scoring power, which he acquired with Gionta and Cammalleri.

A year ago and a year later with nothing in return. I believe that Gainey will be judged for how little he received for former Habs (Ribeiro, Huet, Souray come to mind) and nothing for the likes of Ryder, Streit, Kovalev, Koivu, Tanguay, Higgins and Komisarek, players with solid value at points in time over the pastyear.

You would have thought that Gainey could have, should have traded away some of the above problems before it was too late. The team was going nowhere in February last and he could have received something for some of these players.

Gainey has certainly rebuilt the Habs and time will tell to what degree he will have succeeded.

One question remains however: is he doing this reconstruction from the point of view of a solid game plan, well thought out and so on; or is doing this "face-lift" in a reactive, somewhat subjective, narrow view of things? I believe the mistakes he has made, and there are many, seem to have left him (in his mind) with little or no alternative but what he has accomplished so far since the draft and UFO's, eh! sorry UFA's. I get confused sometimes since these guys seem to arrive from planets beyond our solar system.

My take on Gainey: he'll not be around after next season. Too many negatives. A bit like with Koivu.

To digress further: if the fans don't support the lack of players who speak French and play hard as well (i.e. read as good as or better than any other option), if Price doesn't respond (and I have some serious doubts here!) among a few more "ifs" which I'm sure many of us can fill in,...then this season could be both painfull and lengthy.

Obviously trades and the Feb deadline can re-direct a team where it wants to go and certainly Gainey can act when it becomes necessary.

We will all continue to analyze and fan-anlyze over the course of the summer. What else is there to do?

One thing is sure, and this would go a long way to stabilizing the situation: bring Kovalev back and make him captain. I'm convinced he's up to assuming the role. The stars were aligned for this to happen. I continue to believe that they are still.

Best regards Mike

Georges Drouin


Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture

Small point, but I don't think getting 41 points in 50 games is a terrible thing, do you?  that's over 0.8 pts/game...  the injury last year hurt in more ways than one.   Had he played all  games, that would bring him to around 65-70 points range.  I mean, what were you expecting, a 90 pt. season from Tanguay?


Rugger's picture

In the Cap era, letting a UFA walk and signing another one is a trade.  Kovy gone, Camy in - nice trade.  Komi out, Spacek in, Boullion out, Gill in etc.  Only way Gainey could have actually "traded" the UFA's would have been to give up the season at the past trade deadline.  In hindsight would have been the thing to do, but at the time we had not completely collapsed, plus we would not have gotten someone like Camy in return as Calgary was still going strong.


In effect, we traded Tangay for Cam, Koivu for Gomez and Gionta for Kovalev. Then he traded Komi for Spacek and Gill. We lost Higgins (a 3rd liner that thinks is a 1st liner and wants that kind of money). Gainey did pretty well, me thinks. And he still has 4 mil for to fill a hole for one year...

24 Cups's picture

obrien - from that perspective you could also state:

Tanguay/1st/2d for Cam

Koivu/Higgins/McDonagh for Gomez

Gionta for Kovalev

Komi/Boullion for Spacek & Gill

Then, as you stated, there is the issue of cap space.  Mike named this thread, "The Puzzler", which probably sums it up best.  There are still a lot of unanswered  questions as to what went on last year and why certain players have left.  I guess we'll never know.

 


Iagree with you. Except for the first one: Its 1st and 2nd rounder for Cam. No Tangay (as we got him from those picks). And what is a weird coincidence, its that the Flames got Cam from that 1st rounder they got from Tangay! Bob didn't see the grit and motivation to win in Tangay (or there is something else). I liked him a lot when he played, our best forward out there. He is by far the one I would like signed, much more than Koivu or Kovy. One more thing of concern: we need a second line center. One more point about the Gomez trade: those expansive under-achiever have trade value. Richars was traded for a good goalie and prospects. He wasn't free. Gomez costed us McDonaugh (Higgins didn't have a good value after last year and he is overrated).

24 Cups's picture

Re 2nd line centre - we are all assuming that Cammerelli will play LW.  He is a natural centre so who's to say what Martin might do.  It's difficult to believe that Pleks won't bounce back somewhat so that's part of the mix as well.  Laps isn't a 4th liner anymore so that leaves us with Metro (signed for 1M) and Chipchura (who is all fairness, deserves a shot this year).  Of course one of these guys could also go to the wing.  There are lots of candidates for the 4th line but it's tough to get excited  about their prospects.  But the new mantra in Montreal is that 'everyone gets to start anew' so who knows what might happen with these pluggers.


Rugger's picture

Gainey and Carb know what the problem was and neither, I think are the type to ever talk.  And since none of the "no longer Habs" is talking there must be a vested interest in all concerned to keep it quiet.


Carbo, in a moment of weakness, alluded to it, but has since recovered his composure.


habsfan0's picture

A few short months ago,Gainey said hiring Carbo was the best thing he's done as GM..and then fired him 6 weeks later...

A few short months ago,Gainey said he had the players he needed to win now...and then proceeded to gut the core of the team...

I will thusly reserve judgement on the changes that Gainey has done to this team since June 30.


Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture

it was suggested above that perhaps Gainey will trash his franchize goalie, too.  that may not be out of the realm of possibility given his previous moves & statements.  Gainey is looking less and less like the hockey genius he was made out to be, no?


24 Cups's picture

You had me until you mentioned Kovalev coming back as captain.  A fresh start means a fesh start in every regard.  If Kovy was coming back then that should have happened at 12:01 on Wednesday.  It's too late now and he is certainly the wrong man to lead by example in terms of developing our young players.  I'm not sure what to make of the fact that we have no serious candidates to take over the role of captain, but I do know that Kovalev by default isn't the answer.


georgesd's picture

24 Cups,

first of all, it's NEVER too late to correct a mistake, whoever committed it in the first place.

As to the captaincy, it's a question of opinion: mine being different from yours that's all.

I respect yours btw completely. This is what a blog is all about: different opinions same passion.

Best regards, Georges


"You would have thought that Gainey could have, should have traded away some of the above problems before it was too late."

 

No I would not have thought this. George, there is not much trading into today's NHL. You are using logic from a bygone era.


I've been scratching my head over Tanguay, as well. Maybe it's head lice. Actually, although I hope Gomez and Gionta discover an old goal scoring romance and Cammillari scores 50 too, I'm not seeing it. Boston will still push us around, well, unless BGL has adjusted or thrown out his peculiar code. Is this all there is?    


sanj91's picture

If we are going to sign one of Kovy, Koivu, Tanguay and Lang...isn't Kovy the safest bet? Isn't he the one that provides the most reward with the least risk? Koivu might be the heart and soul of the Habs, but in terms of production he is not a very valuable player anymore. Tanguay and Lang are both coming off injuries. Tanguay has the reputation of being soft (which I do not agree with) is the least "captain material" of the bunch. For the record, we do not have a single player on our team that can be captain YET. I still have faith in Gorges and Lapierre, but Gorges needs to make a bigger on-ice contribution and Lapierre needs to gain some more respect from officials and other players. Lang (I'm a BIG fan) was a wonderful plan B last year. However, with his injury, we cannot be certain of his status until training camp. Kovy, while he did not have his best year, still had a very decent year. He runs our powerplay. He can astound you with his vision on the PK. He can score goals. He can dish the puck. He is big and strong on the puck and, finally, he is the biggest crowd-pleaser we've had in a while. He would also be the shoe-in for the captaincy (maybe this is why I'm supporting him. I would love to see his play if he was given the C for an entire season). If there was one guy from last year I'd bring back with the 4M or so we'd supposedly have leftover after RFA signings it would be him. Of course, Gainey could also use that money to sign a #2 or #4 defenseman (depending on your opinion of Spacek). Someone like Beauchemin, Seidenberg, Barker (IMO he'd be the smartest pick up) or a veteran Schneider or Zubov. 


91 - Gorges must improve his on ice contribution to be captain, what does that got to do with being captain. So if Crosby has a bad year he's in jeopardy of losing his C.


sanj91's picture

No, but IMO captains have to be leaders both on and off the ice. So far, Gorges has not shown that he can full fill the on ice duties. When a team is down, sure a captain can give a pep talk, but more often than not they'll jump over the boards and try to make a difference on the ice from which the rest of the team can learn. When Pittsburgh's losing, you'll often see Crosby elevate his game and make momentum-changing plays. While I don't expect Gorges to go end to end, I would like to see him step up. In regards to Lapierre, we know he has that ability. He can go dish out a check, fight, spear someone in the ribs off a face-off. Gorges just needs a more prominent role before we can hand over the reigns. Who do you think a new player will respect more? Koivu or Gorges?


Puck Bard's picture

Ya, but clearly BG doesn't want Koivu to wear the C. So how's that going to look in MTL with him not leading the lot? Maybe in other hockey towns this works, but in a fishbowl like Montreal? Sorry, but no way, it would exhaust the team with all the wasted talk and gossip about Koivu being stripped of his rank, disrespected, yada-yada-yada...

No way, best for both Habs and Captain K to get a fresh start.


Puck Bard's picture

Ya know, someone on HIO chastised me a few posts ago for not letting go of the Full Breezer jokes. 

On reflection, I think they were right to do it and we should all let it go and move on. Fact is, there were enough players last year on the Habs who were a joke to make Breezy's mental lapses look small in comparison.

So, no more Full Breezer for me. On October 2nd I'm looking for a new goat.


oshawahabsfan's picture

Tanguay should have been the first player we signed, he's a better playmaker than all 3 of the forwards we picked up. He can't expect a pay raise when he was injured most of last season. He seemed to like playing here, he's another player with valuable playoff experience and is pretty clutch in the playoffs. Those of you who seem to think he's soft are idiots. We need more depth at forward still we can't have too many young guys in the lineup, Tanguay can be considered a veteran now at his age, he's got a lot of points left in him, and would make us that much more of a threat whatever line he ends up on. As much as I like him Kovy and Koivu, if I had to choose one, it'd be Tanguay based on the fact he has the most left in the tank, he has much more to offer in terms of high level play for a longer period of time. Doesn't hurt that he's french and the closest thing we'll have to a french star player until this Leblanc kid develops, which all signs point to at the moment.


showey47's picture

alex tanguay 387 assists in 659 games

scott gomez 430 assits in 706 games

 

very similar stats but keep in mind gomez spent most of his career playing in a low scoring,tight defensive first system in jersey while tanguay spent most of his career on some high powered avalanche teams.Both started their careers the same season but the fact that gomez played more games shows that he has been more durable which is the kind of players gainey was looking for. Gomez is also a center which we clearly needed.I do think though had we failed to land cammillari that tanguay would been resigned by the habs.