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Enough flex to sign Pleks?
posted by Mike Boone at 15h54 EST on Mar 10
Here are the current roster players who are under contract for the 2010-'11 season, with their salaries (data from nhlnumbers.com):
Scott Gomez ....... $8 million
Mike Cammalleri ... $6.25 million
Brian Gionta ..........$5 million
Andrei Kostitsyn .....$3.25 million
Travis Moen ............$1.5 million
Andrei Markov .........$5.75 million
Roman Hamrlik ........$5.5 million
Jaro Spacek .............$3.833 million
Hal Gill ....................$2.25 million
Josh Gorges .............$1.3 million
Ryan O'Byrne ...........$1.4 million
That's a shade over $44 million for 11 players. Plus $1.5 million for Georges Laraque.
Six defencemen are under contract for next season. If, as expected, P.K. Subban makes the team, that will add a modest $875,000 to the payroll.
Five forwards are signed. Most coaches like to play 4 lines, so that's seven more contracts.
Did I mention goaltending?
Carey Price and Jaro Halak are Restricted Free Agents on July 1. One of them will be signing a new contract – well in excess of $850,000 (Price's current salary) or $800,000 (Halak).
Let's say $2 million to $3 million per for goaltending.
We're inching up toward $50 million ... and we still haven't accounted for impending RFAs Benoit Pouliot (who's making $803,000), Sergei Kostitsyn (($585,000) and Maxim Lapierre ($800,000).
Dominic Moore ($1.1 million), Glen Metropolit ($1 million) and Mathieu Darche ($600,000) will be UFAs whom the club may or may not want to re-sign.
Tomas Plekanec is making $2.75 million and having the best season of his career.
He's 10th in the league in scoring among centres with 19 goals and a career-best 44 assists.
Pleks is used on the PP and the PK. He's taken 1,379 faceoffs this season – a total exceeded only by Sidney Crosby and Paul Stastny.
Plekanec is one of only three Canadiens – Kelowna Rockets alumni Travis Moen and Josh Gorges are the others – who have played all 68 games this season. Pleks played 81 games in 2006-'07, 81 in '07-'08 and 80 last season.
We're talking durability (esopecially for a smaller guy) – and desirability, because this will not be a bumper crop for free-agent forwards.
If he doesn't sign by July 1, I rate Plekanec behind only Ilya Kovalchuk and Patrick Marleau among likely UFAs.
He's said he wants to stay in Montreal.
Well and good.
But Plekanec is 27. This summer represents his big kick at the free-agent can.
What kind of contract might he command on the open market?
Here are some comparables:
Tim Connolly is signed for two seasons in Buffalo at $4.5 per.
Stastny will make $6.6 million in each season of his five-year contract in Colorado.
I'd have laughed off any comparison to Ryan Getzlaf last summer, but Pleks has two points more than Anaheim's top centre, who's making $5.125 million in the second year of a five-year deal that tops out at $6.125 million.
Jeff Carter is at $5 million and will make $5.5 next season.
Jason Spezza is working on a contract that pays him $45 million over six years.
Is there a general manager willing to offer Tomas Plekanec $5 million or $6 million per?
Is that general manager's name Pierre Gauthier?
Stay tuned.
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The only way I see Pleks signing in Montreal is long term (5 years and up). Unfortunately, we can't afford that due to Gainey's singings, unless he signs for 3M-4M max.
With Gomez making 8M...Bye bye Tomas Plekanec, thanks for the run and have fun!
Long-term isn't the issue with the signings, it's getting through next year. After that Hamr's 5.5 comes off the books, then Spatch's 3.83 the year after. Beyond that, the only 3 guys who have contracts are Gomez, Gionta & Cammy for $18.3M total.
I really don't see Pleks signing for us for the ridiculous offer he will be getting from other teams courting him based on working his butt off this season for a long term contract.
He is worth nothing more than $4M a season but some team will throw the money to him. I don't blame him one bit, most players in the NHL will work their butts off as well in their final year to get that big contract and after they sign, most players donlt live up to expectations after signing big contracts.
Pleks loves Montreal but Komisarek said the same thing as well before signing in Toronto.
Say bye bye to Pleks, it's been a slice.
When I look at the list of salaries paid to Gomez, Spacek, etc. it make my heart cringe for what Bobby did last summer.
Our team is not going to compete with other t eams in the free agent sweepstakes for years to come.
Better accept this team as is for years to come. Yikes. So much for the 6 year plan and a Stanley Cup in the near futre.
"We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets "
"He is worth nothing more than $4M a season..."
This is when I stopped reading.
27 year olds, excellent both ways, durable, 75-80 point pace, good on faceoffs, good on the PK, gritty, ...
This isn't Matt Stajan were talking about here.
I still can't see Plekanec signing before July 1 unless it is for a "fair" market-worthy offer. People are hoping that he will re-sign for the Habs at a significant home-town discount, but he's 4 months away from seeing if he can't get a really sweet offer. Why not wait it out? It is not like the Habs will pull their offer back...they need him desperately.
The team that worries me the most is the Los Angeles Kings. Handzus has one year remaining on his $4 million cap hit deal. They have an exciting young team that is already starting to realize its potential. With $7.5 million of cap space opening up with the FA status of Modin and Frolov, they've got cap space and young players in their system to both re-sign Plekanec and fill out their roster. They really need a second center to balance out their offence. And I haven't heard too many NHL players complain about the California lifestyle. :) The downside is of course the travel, but that is a pretty difficult opportunity for any other team to match for a FA center.
Chris, a few months back we had the Pleks salary discussion. Are you still thinking the $4.5M range, maybe $5M max, is the amount the Habs should spend on him? I realize he could and likely will get a better offer but what should be our max offer?
Honestly, I think that is probably the range he will sign for. I would be a bit shocked if he went over $5 million, but stranger things have happened. Two things work against Plekanec: his lack of size and that bugaboo of a season last year. If he has a good stretch run and plays well in the playoffs, his value could increase, obviously.
My point is more that I can't see him signing that $4.5-5 million deal now until he's at least had a chance to see if a team out there is desperate enough to offer him $5.5-6 million. The key is how long can the Habs realistically wait on July 1 for him to make up his mind if he gets to that point: do they wait a day or two while he decides, or do they go out aggressively and offer him the same money to another player (for example, Olli Jokinen) and give the contract to the first agent that agrees, a la Kovalev/Gionta?
Good eye, Chris, that is a good fit. Pleks would be a great compliment to Kopitar too. He would thrive within the structure of that team. shhhh.....
If that happens though I hope we sign Frolov. He'd be a nice fit here too, with all our smaller playmakers. A line of Cammy, Pouliot at centre and Frolov would be nice. Or, have Cammy at centre with Frolov and Andrei.
But, talks are ongoing with Pleks, so hopefully it doesn't get that far.
Ok, I'm just going to throw this out there. Much has been said about Gomez's salary handicapping us. Right now, the salary cap is around $54 mill, correct? (Forgive me if my numbers are off). So yeah, $8 mill hurts, despite how awesome he is currently playing, in that it limits us on locking up guys like Pleks and Pouliot, not to mention Price and/or Halak. However, the salary cap has stayed roughly the same the past 2 years, due to the recession. With that (hopefully) coming to an end, I expect the salary cap to start rising again. Gomer is signed for another 4 years after this one. I don't think it's beyond belief for the cap to be above $60 mill by then. So while his salary won't be a bargain, it will definitely be more reasonable by then. Could it be that we'll be serious contenders over the last 2 years of his contract, as the cap goes up and we get more room to play with in free agency and trades?
Just a thought.
Salary cap if anything will retract slightly this season and because of the money-losing Sunbelt teams, a rise in the salary cap also means a rise in the minimum cap a team is allowed to spend and that's going to put the Loserville franchises in even worse financial trouble and expose the NHL's failed sunbelt strategy even further. I would not expect the salary cap to rise significantly until the league finally closes the book on some of their failed expansion teams and move them to more viable markets first.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu. http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
Well, here's the thing. Those teams were losing money way back in 2005-06, and the salary cap was only $39 mill. It's since gone up by about $15 mill, despite those teams losing money. I just figure, the cap is bound to increase again, unless it was more than just the recession causing the stop in growth, and it's just the NHL hitting a ceiling in revenue.
Two points:
The cap was supposed to go down this year by about 5% but the NHLPA exercised their one-time only option to freeze the cap
Bettman was on Calgary radio in late Jan/early Feb and said that this year's revenue were within 1% of last year's revenues, so based on that we can likely see the cap reduced by about 5% or down to about 54 million for next year (my calculations)
It will go up, but I think it will after the 10-11 season, not going into it. I think the league has caught on that their reach has gone beyond their grasp in these aggressive salary cap raises, the Earners of the NHL that are supporting the money-losing franchises are probably tired of the salary cap going up meaning they have to share more of their revenue dollars with them to so they can stay afloat. NHL's revenue will significantly raise when they strike a proper television deal and that's not here yet. Until more sunbelt teams become profitable (unlikely) and the concern that some owners have about how the salary cap going up just seems to give way to bigger contracts that player's agents demand, I think we might see a more stable salary cap for the time being.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu. http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
The NHL will NEVER get a good US network tv deal. People in the US (as a rule) would rather watch bowling or lawn darts. That tv deal is a myth, kind of like the unicorn.
Who cares about who signs or not. Lets win the STANLEY CUP this YEAR!!
My own 2 cents, not that it matters.
Hammer has to be moved to make room. Maybe even AK will be traded. One of the goalies will sign for a nice contract and the other will probably go too. Now we have room for Pleks.... well, i didn't really do the math cause i'm too damn tired too.... anyhow, just the way I see it
The problem with moving AK is that you need to find another top 6 winger to replace him, and his salary is a decent price for a top 6 winger.
Moving Hamrlik and bringing up PK is the easiest way to clear space. But, any team willing to take on Hamrlik's contract will want us to take on money as well...
Hab4life
What's all this talk about next year? Who to sign? Who to let go?
Didn't anyone get the Memo? This is our year.
Cammi and MAB come back next week and we go on an amazing Stanley Cup run. PROBLEM SOLVED!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!
Sweet spread this postivity around..some people really need it :)
"Goaltending is a normal job, sure. How would you like it in your job if every time you made a small mistake, a red light went on over your desk and 15,000 people stood up and yelled at you." -Plante
Yeah! Rangers lose!
"love cannot drown truth, Nefertiti"
Hard to believe Sather still has a job. The guy has been living off his Edmonton glory for the nearly 2 decades!
That's because the Rangers suck.
Hey, where is all the clamouring that Gaborik is 100000x better than Gomez?
i would re-sign dominic moore to a 3 year 4 million deal...he's a younger and faster version of metro...and he's an older and better version of lapierre...i would love to see him and lapierre build a partnership together with travis moen.
- Team Halak V.S. Team Price...Montreal Canadiens Fans are similar to 14 year-old Girls going through Puberty.
How about instead of handicapping us we sign him for ONE year?
Boy, that guy would be lucky to sign for the exact same amount, and you want to give him a 4 year deal? Would you consider yourself a type of person that is easily impressed? Just a question, mind you.
oh and btw Moore's shorthanded goal was not the first of the season...
Moen againt Buffalo in the second game of the season was
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"enough said" is never enough said
you know.. i just watched the replay from the habs first game this season... and man this team has come a long way
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"enough said" is never enough said
Where do you download the games?
even though i really hope we resign pleks all is not lost without him.
we do have two legit centers in pouliot and cammy..
still though, i really hope we can keep pleks
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"enough said" is never enough said
Alright, I know people don't like Gomez's contract, but come on, how do you not consider him a legit center?
Hab4life
Gomez has been a legit centre for about 12 games now. That's about 20% of the season so far. At least he is doing at the right time of year. But, mind you, if he did it for the first 50 games or so we wouldn't be in such a desperate position right now. Keep it going Gomez!
I agree that he got off to a slow start, but I think he's been playing great since the end of December. He's got 32 points in his last 30 games, which is what I was hoping for from him when he got signed. Like Ooder said, he got stuck with some linemates who aren't exactly goal machines, but still, 18 points after 34 games was a little underwhelming.
I read a great point on one of the threads here the other night, but I can't remember the exact wording or the poster, so to paraphrase someone I can't credit right now - "Gomez doesn't make bad players good, but he makes good players deadly." I'm actually glad that JM didn't put Lats with Gomez. If they had clicked, we would have never gotten Pouliot.
hard to play at a top level when your linemates are lapierre and pyatt
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"enough said" is never enough said
oh well i only mentioned the guys who can be centers but arne't playing it right now.
i mean gomez wouldn't replace pleks, but cammy or pouliot could.
for sure gomez is a great center
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"enough said" is never enough said
Not to take anything away from this important discussion but whenever speculation heats up for the annual FA auction, I just think its worth reminding everyone how lucky we are that ANDREI MARKOV. accepted a BELOW market value contract to stay with the team and the city he loves. This kind of loyalty is rarely seen in todays sports. Players use so many cliches and double-speak that would make any politician blush. Markov talked the talk but also walked the walk.
Lets hope Pleks shares some of Markov's love for Montrael because the Leafs, Flames, Blues have alot of Cap space to throw at him.
Marky for captain!
how quick people forget all that markov has done for this team... when he was injured and couldn't play against the flyers and was lucky enough to be cleared to play for Russia.
some fans in this city appreciate very very little and expect so much.
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"enough said" is never enough said
For those wanting to ditch Spacek, he is a team leading +12. Next is Cammie, +10, Pleks at +5, and then it isn't pretty.
For those wanting to trade Hammer, firstly, who will replace him, and who will take him at 5 million.
MBoone, I think you are wrong about the cap hit for Laraque being 1.5. Doesn' the hit go down due to the buy out?
And, more than ever, we need to trade one of Halak or Price. We don't have the luxury of being able to keep both and still have anyone other than ushers playing on the third and forth line.
Signing Pleks is an absolute must. Otherwise, back to having one scoring line next year ...
Laraque will cost the team $750 k for the next two seasons, I believe.
Gotta trade Hamrlik, not saying he's bad but he's being overpaid by around 0.5-1.5 million dollars, Never really understood that contract. Apparently that flames offered him 4 mill per season and he said his problem was the length of the deal not the dollars.
So how the hell did we have to offer him 2 more years and 1.5 million more dollars. Of course it's not like I really know what's going on in those negotiations.
As you say, we never know what is REALLY offered and said during negotiations. However, I think it is justifiable to note that if there is one thing that NHL teams are united in, it is in over-paying veteran free agents, particularly solid all-around defencemen like Hamrlik. As perhaps the top UFA defenceman available that season (what? but the Habs only got top free agents because of Gomez!!), $5 million for Hamrlik is not so extraordinary in the NHL context.
The Flames never made him an offer, they knew they weren't going to be able to re-sign him at market value...so I don't know where you are hearing this.
If Hammer overpaid? Yah, I would say so - but he has been a stabilizing force on the backend, and dramatically improved our D to what it is now. Remember the Dandy days? terrible, awful, D that is now far superior to what it use to be.
So, still, in my opinion that was a good signing.
On another note, it does appear we traded Greg Stewart to Atanta for some AHL defenseman....unless teams just randomly "re-assign" players to other farm teams for the fun of it.
id take pleks over marleau anytime, if only pleks was as big as marleau(it would be scary in a goodway)
.::moen & georges for co-captains::.
I sure hope they can get him signed.
PG will have a tough off-season with so many players without contracts. IMO there will have to be some contracts moved in order to accomplish a solid core with room to grow.
Plekanec deserves to be paid fairly. I know I would give him a 5 yr deal worth 4.75 per (minimum), but would go as high as 5.25
PG also needs to deal with his goalies...Can they keep both? Should they keep both? Do you think whoever gets the playoffs this year stays? Or would that depend on how they do come playoffs? Should Halak be given the playoffs, or Price?
So many questions!
Hey how is Pacioretty doing? I really liked that kid and I hope he clicks into NHL Calibre.
in the AHL: Pacioretty has 2 goals, 8 assists in 14 games so far but was scratched last game due to a day-to-day upper body injury, he's +10 so far.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu. http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
Thanks for the update.
Drop Hammr, Sign pleks, bring up PK.. Drop Spacek and Gill, sign 2 cheaper D who do the same job and there's room to resign the rest. Resigning Markov to an extension would be great too, to not worry about it next season.
Sign the turtleneck now PG...please get it done!
"Vive le col roulé! Le système, C'est le col roulé!"
...as much as Plekanec is important as a Player, a wise GM will not overpay over a longterm contract for a Tomas Plekanec ...longterm at a 'reasonable' cap-hit including a NO no-trade ...if can not agree ? ...allow Tomas to walk or trade for 'whatever' We can get
...as much as I idolize and respect Bob Gainey, negotiations with Pleks should have begun 2 or 3 months ago (...maybe they did ! ...WHAT do I know ?)
...at least encouraging to know His agent Rick Curran and Gauthier had meetings today in Florida ...hopefully We have time to make each side happy, because I feel Tomas wants to remain a Habitant
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
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Consider this....the Habs are unable to sign Pleks and Toronto does....they will have plenty of money this summer to do just that.
”You miss 100% of the shots you never take.” - Wayne Gretzky
Toronto is in about the same situation we are, maybe worse. For next year they have $48.78M on the books for 15 players. We have 44.83 for 13 guys. They won't be able to outbid us without shedding more salary, and I don't know how they plan to do that.
Also, Pleks might be interested in going to a team with a better future and a better offence to work with. You go from having the option of playing with Mike Cammalleri, Andrei Kostitsyn, Ben Pouliot and Brian Gionta as your wingers to Phil Kessel and... Phil Kessel?
Free agents in their primes also have aspirations about playing for a Cup, if he signs a 5-year deal in Toronto tommorow, that might not be enough time for him to see 2nd-round playoffs. When was the last time a real basement team signed a high-quality free agent player anyway? Doesn't happen often.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu. http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/
I think Pleks sees a future here in Montreal. Not everyone wants out.. Komi was just special, Signing in a rival team, to get a roster spot on the Olympics, and ending up being injured and stuck with a team that did not work out
this team will be contending for mr. stanley within 2 years our top two line are perfect trade off hammer bring up pk resign moore trade off one of our tenders bring up either sanford or cedric to back up and we will be fine also get rid of laps send him to the wild for james sheppard
This issue worries me more than the playoffs this year. It would be a huge blow to the team to lose Pleks. I think we should get rid of Hammer's giant contract to make some room for Pleky. Either way some sacrifice will be made.
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Of the Canadiens prospects which has top six potential soon:
Trotter, Desharnais, Maxwell, Pyatt, Wyman, Russell, Palushaj, Stewart, Max Pac?
If one of these guys fits in to a top six roll we could scrounge some more $$$ to sign pleks.
Maybe its too hard to tell, but does anyone think ANY of these players will eplode into a 80+ pointer in the nhl??
there all long term works in progress and could be traded away with roster players for others needs.
i saw trotter, desharnais play recently ..small little players getting thrown around, maxwell not much better.
stewart cannot skate and maxpac needs more time with Boucher. max pac over all game just needs vast improvement. defense game needs help.
have not seen wyman, russell play.
Palushaj might be the best of the lot just a hunch.
Gonna have to find a way to let the Hammer and his 5 million go. Won't be easy.
Subban is ready.
There is your Pleks money.
E.
Ian - here's the info on the cap. (source: wikipedia)
http://www.capgeek.com/cap_calculator.php?Team=2
Current salary cap
The lockout was resolved when the NHLPA agreed to a hard salary cap based on league revenues, with the NHL implementing revenue sharing to allow for a higher cap figure. The NHL salary cap is formally titled the "Upper Limit of the Payroll Range" in the new CBA. For the 2005–06 NHL season, the salary cap was set at US$39 million per team, with a maximum of $7.8 million (20% of the team's cap) for a player.
Revenues for the six Canadian teams have all increased significantly since the lockout, and due to the fact the US dollar fell to relative parity with its Canadian counterpart, league-wide revenues measured in U.S. dollars have been inflated accordingly.
As a result of these factors, the cap has been raised each year to its current figure of $56.8 million for the 2009–10 season, with a cap of $11.36 million for a player.[6] The CBA also contains a "Lower Limit of the Payroll Range", which is the minimum that each team must pay in player salaries. The lower limit was originally set at 55% of the cap, but is now defined to be $16 million below the cap, therefore the 2009–10 minimum is $40.8 million. The difference between the salary cap and a team's actual payroll is referred to as the team's "payroll room" or "cap room".
Each year of an NHL player contract, the salary earned contributes to the team's "cap hit". The basic cap hit of a contract for each year it is effective is the total money a player will earn in regular salary over the life of the contract divided by the number of years it is effective. This, in theory, prevents a team from paying a player different amounts each year in order to load his cap hit in years in which the team has more cap room. Teams still use this practice, however, for other reasons. Performance bonuses also count towards the cap, but there is a percentage a team is allowed to go over the cap in order to pay bonuses. A team must still factor in possible bonus payments, however, which could go over that percentage.
Salary for players sent to the minors, under most circumstances, do not count towards the cap while they are there. If a player has a legitimate long-term injury, his cap hit is still counted; however, the team is permitted to replace him with one or more players whose combined salary is equal to (or less than) that of the injured player, even if the additional players would put the team over the salary cap. If the team's cap room is larger than the injured player's cap hit, they may take on as much as their cap room; however, the injured player may not return to play until the team is again compliant with the original cap.
The NHL has become the first of the major North American leagues to implement a hard cap while retaining guaranteed player contracts. Guaranteed player contracts in the NHL differ from other sports, notably the NFL, where teams may opt out of a contract by waiving or cutting a player. NHL teams may buy-out player's contracts, but must still pay a portion of the money still owed which is spread out over twice the remaining duration of the contract. This does not apply for players over 35 at the time of signing, in this case a team cannot buy out the player's contract to reduce salary. Any other player can be bought out for ⅓ of the remaining salary if the player is younger than 28 at the time of termination, or ⅔ of the remaining salary if the player is 28 or older.
Trading cash for players or paying a player's remaining salary after trading him have been banned outright in order to prevent wealthier teams from evading the restrictions of the cap; players, agents or employees found to have violated the cap face fines of $250,000 - $1 million and/or suspension. Teams found to have violated the cap face fines of up to $5 million, cancellation of contracts, loss of draft picks, loss of points and/or forfeiture of game(s) determined to have been affected by the violation of the cap
I'm not kidding, if they don't sign Plekanec (or give it a serious attempt) I'll protest. I'LL PROTEST!
Also I'll be thoroughly embarrassed to be a Habs fan.
Everyone saying Hammer is on his way out... I'm not so sure. I understand your reasoning, but he could re-sign at a lower salary. He's not worth $5.5 million to anybody. I love the guy, and he logs Herculean minutes with the Habs, but IMO a defensive defenceman isn't worth a penny over $4 mil. And that's for the best of the best, which Hammer isn't. He got that big contract with Calgary 5 years ago when he was an offensive defenceman. I think he'd take 5 years at $3.5 mil to finish his career in Montreal (he's 35 years old now).
"I lined up next to him at a faceoff, looked over and said "Hi Rocket". All he did was growl." -Gordie Howe
Right. My bad. Gainey did give out that contract... and for some reason I thought Hammer was a free agent this summer. got confused.
"I lined up next to him at a faceoff, looked over and said "Hi Rocket". All he did was growl." -Gordie Howe
Don't think you are allowed to renog. an existing contract per the CBA.
No, but it'll ensure he can finish his career here if he wants to, and if he retires then we can buy out his salary and it won't count against the cap (i think...right?)
"I lined up next to him at a faceoff, looked over and said "Hi Rocket". All he did was growl." -Gordie Howe
COOKE NOT SUSPENDED?? WHAT??
"love cannot drown truth, Nefertiti"
CAMPBELL'S REASON: Consistency. O.M.G. "We didn't suspend the guy last time, so we can't this time. Sorry, Marc. Preventing you from having a concussion is not as important to us as being consistent. Which, by the way, we never are."
From TSN:
"I know Matt Cooke is a repeat offender, he's been suspended twice in the last year."
later on in statement...
"You can be very confident that a player who's a repeat offender will get a much larger sentence than he would normally."
"love cannot drown truth, Nefertiti"
Pleks = 4 years 15 mil before the playoffs.......if he plays like a little girl again.......low-ball.
A center with decent numbers that plays in all situations is going to sign for 15mil for 4 years? It would be great SOJ, but that salary is nowhere near the current market for a "top" center.
How can we figure out bucks if we do not know the cap for next year. Does anybody know??
as mentioned above salary numbers don't matter in 2011..its the cap hit average salary over term of contract
Gomez $7.3
Cammy $6
Obyrne $.942
Laracque will be bought out at 67% or $1million that can be spaced over 2 years..therefore cap hit of $500K for the next two years saving $1million
Habs can give pleks 5-6 million but the contrcat has to be front loaded and lighter on the back end...see Red Wings and Hawks contracts...so that average cap hit doesn;'t exceed 4.5-4.75 max
...love Plekanec ...but NOT at between $ 5 & 6 million ...$ 5 mil max
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
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I hope we can give away bgl for next year so we don't have to buy him out. I don't want to waste another cent on him. Whatever happened to the rumours of him heading to sweden?
Showey do you have any idea of what the cap limit is.?
This year it is 56.8 million. Next year,it will probably drop. I don't think it will drop much though.
Pleks is 21st in league scoring not 10th. He shouldn't make more than 5 million.
My bad. I was reading the list of Centres
Mike, What is the cap figure for this year and what is the figure for next year? I know about the adjustment after the take in for this year. But I would like to have a starting figure if you know please. Thanks
I can help with that Ian, for this season, 2009-2010:
the maximum: $56,800,000
the minimum: $40,800,000
No one knows next year's yet. It comes out around draft day in June.
First of all what is the cap for next year please. !!!
Note that Plekanec is 21st in league scoring, not 10th.
The problem would be really helped if we can move Hamrlik ($5.5 million). Mara falls away, probably Metro and Laps go as well - another $3 million. Then we'd have some room - but still not a ton. If we signed Pleks at a bargain ($4.5), and Moore at a good price ($1.5) - there's not a lot left. I thought Gomez was $7.3m, not $8m.
I wouldn't lose too much sleep over these numbers right now. It's like the Halak vs. Price debate. Simply a diversion. There will be lots of time to assess the value of personnel after the team makes a big splash in the post-season (with humble apologies to all the bashers on HIO).
Scott Gomez cap hit to the Canadiens is 7,350,000 per year, wether he actually cashed in 8 million for this year or 4.5 millions in the later seasons of his contract is irrelevant for this exercise..... same for Cammalleri which hits the cap at 6 millions, not 6.250.
According to our prospects situation Plek need to be retained..... ideally without a trading clause limitation or if so a limited one..... 4.5 million 8 year contract sounds ok.... with front loaded payment a la Gomez would be good too.
a single season does not a salary make. Plex has to be asessed over the last three yrs. and on that basis he is worth four and one half no more. No more long term mortages on the franchise based on a single season.Last yr performance has to mitigate any salary range and should signal a cautionary note to management . Because other teams will empty the bank is no reason for us to do so .We may lose him ,cet la vie, an elite player to warrant a salary in the six range should havea portfolio of more than one great season in the league.
Bingo. I agree 100%. I love pleks, but the reality is that 2 years ago he had a great season, last year he was terrible, this year he's having another great season... so 2 out of 3 ain't bad, but what will next year hold? Unfortunately the NHL is a very what-have-you-done-for-me-lately? kind of club, and Pleks' agent is telling him that he can likely increase his salary by at least a million per if he goes UFA.
I wonder how much he wants to stay in MTL... knowing that we'll only love him as long as the sun shines?
"I lined up next to him at a faceoff, looked over and said "Hi Rocket". All he did was growl." -Gordie Howe