On coaching the Canadiens: Carbo unplugged

posted by Dave Stubbs at 23h15 EST on Nov 9


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Canadiens head coach Guy Carbonneau and his wife, Line, on the red carpet in Toronto, arriving at last June's NHL awards.
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AUDIO: Carbo in his own words (25 minutes)

No one told Guy Carbonneau that it would be easy coaching the most successful hockey club in the world, in what arguably is the toughest, most demanding market.

But Carbo says he accepted all that when he agreed to become the Canadiens' 28th head coach 2 1/2 years ago, stepping behind the bench as the No. 1 guy at the beginning of the 2006-07 season.

It's been a remarkable learning experience for the former Montreal captain, who answered GM Bob Gainey's call to come back north from Dallas, where they had worked together in the Stars front office.

Running the Canadiens has its many challenges, obviously, and Carbonneau says he continues to learn day by day, growing into a job that he believes might have been his destiny.

The Gazette's Dave Stubbs sat alone with Carbo at the team's Toronto hotel on Saturday morning to discuss the impact this job has on every part of the coach's life. The feature story appears below. And click on the link above to listen to 25 minutes of their wide-ranging conversation.



DAVE STUBBS
The Gazette

TORONTO – Guy Carbonneau describes himself as a salesman.

"I love the game, I'm passionate about it and I want the sport to be known
for the right reason," the Canadiens head coach said Saturday morning over
coffee in his team's Toronto hotel.

Little did he know he'd be flogging defective merchandise and factory
seconds a few hours later, the Canadiens producing a bargain-bin effort in
their 6-3 loss to the Toronto Maple Leafs. It was a game Carbonneau would
describe as "the most embarrassing in the 2 1/2 years I've been behind the
bench."

It is said there is no tougher job in all of hockey than coaching in Montreal.
Some would claim the distinction for Toronto, and Carbo himself puts the
two cities on roughly the same plane.

Different expectations in Toronto

But Maple Leafs coach Ron Wilson rarely hears complaints that a shootout
victory is a point lost to the opponent. Wilson works in a crowded sports
landscape shared by pro baseball, basketball and even the NFL, where NHL
success is a rumour to an entire generation, the bar of expectation has been
almost underground for decades and his every move isn't dissected hourly in
two languages with blunt scalpels and sharp tongues.

Carbonneau arrived behind the Montreal bench 2 1/2 seasons ago, one of the
game's best defensive forwards having become an efficient front-office
executive. Here was a former Canadiens captain returning to the scene of his
prime, eager to begin his head-coaching career.

The 48-year-old Sept-ÃŽles native said at the time that he knew what awaited
him.

But honestly, did he?

"Not really," Carbo says now, laughing. "I don't think anybody is prepared.
When Ken Hitchcock and Jacques Demers (Carbonneau's coaches in Dallas
and Montreal) changed teams, they had an idea what they were getting
themselves into.

"I've never been there. The fact I was in Montreal, that I came from
Montreal, made the transition a lot easier. But I don't think you can ever be
prepared for what it is to coach in Montreal or Toronto."

Carbonneau continues to learn this not just with every game, but every time
he sets foot out of his West Island home. Every time he goes out to buy a
loaf of bread. Most times when he's behind the wheel of his car, recognized
by the guy in the passing lane or at the traffic light.

Everyone has an opinion, and he's going to hear every last syllable.

Carbo understands all of this, though he admits the scrutiny can be almost
overwhelming.

Carbonneau's destiny?

"It goes to the extreme at times," he says. "That's when I go home, sit on my
couch, watch TV, have a glass of wine with my wife and relax. Some people
can have money, fame and be invisible, but in hockey it's tough, especially in
Quebec."

It's part of the price Carbo is paying for what he believes might be his
destiny, a job that is financially rewarding, often gratifying, sometimes
frustrating but never, ever dull.

"When Bob called, I knew the timing was right," he remembers. "It was the
right place to come."

Canadiens general manager Bob Gainey had taken over as the club's
interim coach on Jan. 14, 2006, having fired Claude Julien, and immediately
imported his trusted lieutenant from the Dallas Stars, where Carbo had been
Gainey's assistant.

Carbonneau came home, served as associate coach to his long-time friend
and former teammate, and on May 5, 2006 was named the 28th head coach
of the Canadiens.

"I still owned a house there, came back every summer, I knew the people,
the media and the fans and I knew how the organization runs," he says of
taking the leap of faith with Montreal. "All I had to concentrate on was the
hockey part."

Carbo missed the playoffs on the season's final weekend of his rookie year,
then last season won the Eastern Conference and went two rounds into the
playoffs, named a finalist for the NHL's Jack Adams Trophy as the league's
top coach.

In his 176 regular-season games, he has compiled a record of 97-61-18.
Which he knows only when you tell him.

"I don't know what my record is," he says. "When you play, you know your
stats because you look at them before a game. But if you ask me how many
points I had, how many goals over my career, I don't know. Same thing as a
coach.

"As a player, I concentrated on the game I had, talk about it for awhile after
then forget about it the next day. Now, after the game, we get into the office
on the road or at home, talk about it for 30 minutes, if we're mad we air out
what we think, then we think about the next game."

Carbonneau has learned there's nothing good that comes from staring into a
rear-view mirror, especially after Saturday's debacle in Toronto. He'll sift
through the news clippings awaiting him in his office, though he'll find little
positive in their words, for good reason, about the implosion against the
Maple Leafs.

He even listens to the broadcast jackals and speed-dial lamebrains on
Montreal sports radio, for which "people tell me I'm crazy," he says brightly.

"The same idea seen by nine different guys is written nine different ways.
When I make a line change, decide to put one centreman instead of another
for a faceoff, one guy instead of another on the power play, it's seen (by the
media) as either a great move or a weak move.

Playing a hunch with lines

"They don't know the background or thought process to it, and that's
sometimes frustrating."

The matchups and tendencies might tell a coach one thing, but there's
always a hunch to be played, a whim that cannot be denied. In Columbus on
Friday, Carbo threw the Kostitsyn brothers together, not a common
occurrence, and they scored a pretty power-play goal.

"You're looking for chemistry long term," he says of line tinkering. "That's
why I kept (Tomas) Plekanec and (Alex) Kovalev and (Andrei) Kostitsyn
together. When (Christopher) Higgins came back healthy, I put him back
with Saku (Koivu), and (Alex) Tanguay, because there's chemistry. You try
to find that for the third and fourth units.

"Short term, you look for little sparks."

The responsibilities are many, of course, as they were when Carbo captained
the Canadiens from 1989-94, leading the club to its most recent Stanley
Cup.

"I say coaching is tougher, but if you ask Saku, you might get a different
answer," he says. "The only problem Saku ever had was probably because
his name was Finnish, not French. I didn't have that.

"He's been an unbelievable player, a great ambassador on and off the ice.
They blame him because he doesn't speak French and that's too bad because
the rest of the man is unbelievable."

The advice pours in to Carbo from everywhere, and not just the 21,273
assistant coaches he has at every Bell Centre game. It arrives by email and
fax and letter and phone, the vast majority well meaning if somewhat
impractical.

"A fan of Georges (Laraque) will ask me why I don't play him with Plekanec
and Kovalev," he says, not needing to explain that one.

Busy offseason

It was an eventful offseason; the coach underwent major hip surgery, signed
a three-year contract that was announced almost inaudibly and arrived at
training camp for the Canadiens' 100th season knowing his team has a bulls-
eye on its back, a by-product of winning the conference then beefing up
during the summer with the acquisition of Tanguay, Robert Lang and
Laraque.

If the Canadiens' recent spinning of their wheels has been troubling, more
painful is the hip which he's getting checked today, fearful now that he's got
bursitis. All things being equal, the left hip sees the surgeon next June.

Coaching the Canadiens, Carbonneau says, is an enriching life lesson,
gratifying when he can shape 23 players into a unit. It wasn't pretty at the
start, and the learning continues.

"Playing hockey was easy," he says. " I was born to play hockey. I had no
problem reacting to tough situations as a player. You gain experience every
day.

"The scary part as a coach is that I didn't know how to react. I didn't know
what the reaction would be to what I'd do or say. This is a process I'm
learning. I did things the first year that were good, some were bad, and
some were bad because I didn't know the reaction of the players. Now I have
a better idea. You get better prepared as the years go by because you have a
better understanding of what the process is."

Carbonneau says it helps to have a consistent core of players and stability in
the front office and on his coaching staff, which fosters a better mutual
understanding of personalities.

"They know me now and I have a better idea what they're about, too," he
says of his players. "I know more about which button to push, when to push
it, what they need to do. Some people you need to leave alone, give them a
tap on the back, some people you need to squeeze a little harder.

"Everybody is stronger, faster and they have better skills. It's trying to
mold what you have into something that will work long term. In the past,
every game I had to say something to get them going. Now, I walk in the
room and they're already talking. I think they understand they don't need
me all the time. They can do it by themselves, and that's gratifying."


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HugeHabsFan's picture
Great read Dave. Thanks. :o) ........... "To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Be yours to hold it high." I STILL BELIEVE. I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE.

twocents's picture
Ok, I can't help it... Carbonneau's wife is like a fine wine... lucky guy.

24 Cups's picture
Eric you stated what many guys were thinking after reading this thread. Very classy looking lady. Going For The Brass Ring - 25 Cups In 100 Years

Ian Cobb's picture
Your right guys, but look at the improvment in the TIE!

Off topic but......Is Price gonna get any better than what we've seen of him since he became a Canadien??? For the most part, I'm not that impressed. Quite honestly, he's often mediocre. I'm starting to believe he's turning into a Jocelyn Thibault in that he had great expectations but nothing became of him. He spends most of his time on his knees in almost every situation because of his failure to read the play. He's often been caught out of position and can't get back because he's on his knees. I haven't seen any improvement with him and I don't know whether it's Roland Melanson's fault or not. I know his defense hasn't been good, but he is part of the blame as well. He's the last line of defense. He also seems to get rattled easily in pressure situations. I question his mental toughness and his laid back demeanor. He clearly stated in the beginning that he was sure of where he wanted to be, meaning in the NHL, but in my opinion he hasn't taken the reigns and made the best of his opportunities. The goalie has to win you some games sometimes single-handedly but I haven't seen this so far in the early season. If Montreal wins the Cup all will be forgotten but the way he's playing right now we're dead come playoff time. I was excited when he became a Hab but my confidence in him is sub par. I hope he proves me wrong. Again, I am aware of the lack of defense on the team but Price is the guardian of the net not the defense.

Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
I like Price but I don't think he's the second-coming of anything. But in his defense I'll say that as a result of his off-season training and weight loss, his lateral movement, glove hand and overall mobility has improved. And, his puck handling skills are among the best - he just has to use better judgment sometimes. He does go down often and early. I have found that the less he goes down, the better he plays. He also needs to learn to stay focused even when jostled and bumped - that was a factor in his undoing vs. Philly last spring. Nevertheless, give him a chance - he's quite young for a goalie at this level.

Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
Addition/edit to my previous post: I was left wanting after reading the interview, but I just listened to the audio and feel a lot of the holes were filled. It really comes together and delivers transparency when you read and hear the interview. Nice job, Dave.

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twocents's picture
Dave, Thanks again for spoiling us with the raw material and the finished product. As both you and Timo have pointed out, everyone will take something slightly different from this piece. While digesting it I kept thinking, I wish he did not pay as much attention to what everyone around him is saying. It's good that he seems firm in his ability to keep it all in perspective, but he admits that it can frustrate him. That's a frustration that he doesn't need. The morning clippings are good, but cut out the radio talk shows Guy. Those are for the catharsis of the fans, the good ideas and general perceptions will make it to your morning clippings.

captaink4life's picture
A bit off topic, but I'd REALLY like to know what Koivu told Grabovski during the game Saturday night!! _____________________________ Koivu for Prime Minister :) Drive for 25!!

likehoy's picture
probably something like you have talent but you're a douche. i heard grabovski said that saku koivu is the only player he still respects from montreal and he has no friends left from montreal

captaink4life's picture
Ya I heard that also, which makes me even more curious as to what he said lol. _____________________________ Koivu for Prime Minister :) Drive for 25!!

Gabx's picture
especially since apparently Grabovski and the Kostitsyns were really good friends, coming from the same town and playing in the same league before they came to the NHL...last year sergei and grabovski were always together, and suddenly he's got no more friends on the canadiens team...

Dave Stubbs's picture
The "what did you say?" is on Pat Hickey's list of questions for today. We'll post whatever Koivu tells us. Dave Stubbs
Habs Inside/Out
Sports Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette

 


captaink4life's picture
Thanks for the heads up!! _____________________________ Koivu for Prime Minister :) Drive for 25!!

Good interview Dave. However, for me, nothing in it to reassure that Carbonneau is a leader and is able to not only come up with an upcoming game strategy, but also actually be a manager of his players. This whole thing about mixing lines because "you hope to find a spark" does not speak to planning, but rather hit and miss shaffling. Anyway... good piece anyway, I am sure everyone will read into it based on their own perception of the coach.

Dave Stubbs's picture
True enough about getting from the interview what you will, Timo. My reply to your mixing lines comment: as scientific as coaching might be, based on stats and tendencies, it remains a human endeavour. You're dealing with human beings who have good days, bad days (Markov is usually a rock; he was far from one Saturday) and can play far over or under their heads for no good reason at all. That's why a coach will tinker to find a spark. It's not like he's got finely tooled nuts and bolts that fit or don't. It's the variables that make hockey an interesting game. Should the Canadiens have won the 1993 Stanley Cup? Not on your life. But when a goaltender plays totally out of his mind and other teams that were supposed to be in the hunt fall by the wayside, things happen. This isn't to defend Carbo. Just the view of coaching and the processes of it from one man who's around the team a bit. Dave Stubbs
Habs Inside/Out
Sports Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette

 


Ian Cobb's picture
Ya Dave, We all got that flavour, I appreciate your writing skills. To be able to put words together and deliver such a vivid picture shows people like me the light in this art form. Thank You, Ian

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tony d's picture
Great interview Dave but as one of the 21,273 assistant coaches, I have to ask Guy, "When do I get paid?" Or does the cheque come when he actually listens to our advice here on HIO?

24 Cups's picture
Interesting read from the Toronto Star's Damien Cox on the Van Ryn - TTB hit from Saturday night. http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/ Going For The Brass Ring - 25 Cups In 100 Years

The Teacher's picture
Tom might not have intended to do it, but I think he could have lessened the force of his hit, as well as used his arms in a different manner. By nature that should earn him a one game suspension. TTB is far from a dirty player, he just happened to deliver a dirty hit. Hockey is a fast game I agree, but this isn't a typical "turning into the boards" situation in my humble opinion, his back was to Kostopoulos the whole way in from the blue line. My suggested overtime format and other sports talk

24 Cups's picture
Adriano - For me, the problem is that we always try and analyze the individual incident, instead of the issue as a whole. I feel that these tug of wars are a basic waste of time that just take us away from finding a solution that will benefit the safety of the players. The concussion crisis in the NHL is totally out of control. THe NHL and the NHLPA have to join together to find a permanent resolution to this crisis. Going For The Brass Ring - 25 Cups In 100 Years

Thanks for the link, Steve. I basically agree with Cox. I think Kostopoulos deserved the penalties he received, not sure about a suspension but I think he will get a game.

habsguy's picture
When I first saw the hit I thought it was flat out intent to injure, after watching it a few times slowed down I tend to agree, it looked like Van Ryan was going to turn left and at the last second faced the boards. I think he'll likely get a game..

Hoegarden's picture
Nice read Dave, I wonder who Carbs had in min on the "some people you need to squeeze a little harder" ? ;-)

Keith's picture
Dave, My favorite passage,"Little did he know he'd be flogging defective merchandise and factory seconds a few hours later, the Canadiens producing a bargain-bin effort in their 6-3 loss to the Toronto Maple Leafs. It was a game Carbonneau would describe as "the most embarrassing in the 2 1/2 years I've been behind the bench." Defective merchandise and factory seconds that's hilarious but true!!!

Ian Cobb's picture
Thanks for the great read Dave, we sure needed to be brought back and replant our feet on the ground again. We often forget that this organisation is just made up of people that love this game like we do. As fans we need to see the human face of this game a lot more, to keep reminding us that these guys are just like us, living and working their very best every day at their jobs. After all, this is only entertainment for us and a business, we just happen to have the best quality personnel in the business working for us every day.

24 Cups's picture
The last two paragraphs are the most telling of the entire interview. Being an NHL coach is more than just overseeing hockey games - it's a position of leadership. Carbo's ability to excel as a leader of men will be just as important as organizing a PP, utilizing George Laraque, or developing two young goaltenders. Hopefully, Carbo is able to lean on Gainey in this respect, so that he can continue to grow as a leader, as well as a game time coach. Going For The Brass Ring - 25 Cups In 100 Years

Ian Cobb's picture
Good morning 24, I agree

RetroMikey's picture
Nice interview Dave! I've always enjoyed your one on one interviews with former or current Habs players or coaches! Respect! "We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets"

Moey's picture
For those of you who are still smarting from Saturday night, enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLMkV7VyPns

Ian Cobb's picture
That brought a large smile this morning Moey!!!

Nice interview...keep it up.

Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
Enjoyed the read and style, but honestly [don't hate me for this] there isn't much meat on that bone. Did we really find out what makes this man tick? He talked about learning, life lessons and gaining experience but didn't really give any specific examples of those points. Did he reveal anything, outside of being annoyed and/or entertained by fans' armchair coaching suggestions, about the emotion and psyche of being the #1 guy behind the bench of Les Glorieux? Maybe it's hard to do that without getting too personal. For a guy who wears his heart on his sleeve during games, I thought we'd see more of the man inside the coach. And, I don't know if we were left with much more insight into the coach's job & life than we already knew before reading the interview. Maybe I was expecting more and thus was left wanting; very much how I felt on Saturday night.

Good read, thanks for that.

Mr.Hazard's picture
Great story. Gotta love Carbo. Ex nihilo nihil fit

likehoy's picture
They blame (saku) because he doesn't speak French and that's too bad because the rest of the man is unbelievable." hm?

Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
LOL... i wondered about that comment too

Dave Stubbs's picture
Carbo isn't saying it's too bad that Koivu doesn't speak French. He's saying that it's too bad so much attention is paid to the fact. He makes it clear in his comments, trimmed a little for length, that he himself didn't face the same scrutiny as captain because he was a French-Canadian playing in Montreal. In his comments, he remarks about Koivu's contributions to the Canadiens on and off the ice. Dave Stubbs
Habs Inside/Out
Sports Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette

 


Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
I didn't think he was taking a cheap shot at Koivu, but with regard to the sensitivity of the interminable language issue it came across awkwardly. Thanks for clarifying!

Ian Cobb's picture
Relax,! we are all disappointed about the performance Fri. & Sat. nights to be sure, but I blame all of the players. The total credit for the win in Long Island goes directly to Carbo only.

The M's picture
the panic button has been destroyed. we need a newer stronger one

likehoy's picture
the difference between a fan and someone that works with the team all day is getting to know the players... from an eagle's eye point of view, it's easy to make suggestions...but when you're part of the game...there's emotions going on and personalities. at the same time you never want to be told how to do your job when someone's never been in your position before. I mean how would you feel if someone went to where you work and told you you were doing it wrong? 9/10 people that come up to you with that assessment will probably be pretty misinformed. at any rate, if carbo needs an opinion...he has muller, jarvis, melanson, and gainey to ask before he takes one from a fan.

Xtrahabsfan's picture
Ya ,they did wonderful last night,please.....

TC's picture
Even Toe Blake & Scotty Bowman lost hockey games. To judge anybody on the basis of one or two games is asinine. T.C. tc.denault@habsworld.net

P St. Pierre's picture
Excellent story, Dave. It is truly a pleasure to be able to gain a little insight into the life of a man who coaches the greatest hockey team in history. I've been alive for the last two Cups, but I only really remember the '93 version. Of course, my favorite player was Patrick Roy, but I remember my dad appreciating the leadership of Guy Carbonneau and Mike Keene. His favorite player as a kid was the Road Runner, but he grew to enjoy watching Bob Gainey and then Carbonneau play tenacious, defensive hockey. I always wondered why my dad liked Carbonneau so much when the team had better offensive players such as Muller, Savard and Bellows. Now I know why. It takes more than offense to win a Cup. I know that many people feel Carbo is an arrogant jerk, and I confess that I haven't always agreed with his line combos or powerplay units. He's still a human being, however, and I appreciate his intensity and his desire to win. The way he spoke about Saku Koivu in the interview was honorable and well deserved. I might argue that those same words could be used to describe their speaker as well.

TC's picture
Once again Dave, as always, excellent work. First off, I must admit that growing up that I and my small group of like minded Habs friends (I say small because we grew up and still reside an hour east of Toronto)were all huge Carbonneau fans. More than most, he seemed to have bought into the concept of team and game in and game out did whatever it took to ensure that the team won, whether it was blocking shots, checking the opposing team's top center, or scoring the big goal. As a coach, Carbonneau reminds me of when Jacques Lemaire held the same position. Both having played in Montreal are aware of the cities obsession with the game, both were excellent two-way players, and both are in the process of growing into their job. Unfortunately, Lemaire was driven from the top job because of his inability to coexist with the pressure. It appears that Carbonneau is dealing with that hard, and quite often overlooked part of the job description very well. T.C. tc.denault@habsworld.net

Moey's picture
Nice interview Dave, I think you're a great writer. But sadly, this thread will have very few comments, because it's real. Boone's drama king theatrics seems to appeal to the masses on HIO.

Number31's picture
Mostly because the majority of Habs fans are FEAR THE COLLAPSE OH EM GEE types. Good work, Dave. Thank you for this.

The M's picture
The funniest thing about Boone is his comments are from a fan...a website run by fans for fans. But you are right, and this is the best thing i've read on HIO in a long time

Robert L's picture
Laugh my *** off! Very succinct Moey! Dave ought to write a book on the Habs. My fingers are crossed that he will one day. Speaking of drama theatrics, I've already been accused in another thread of doing as much with this one. Nothing Wrong With Kostopoulos Hit http://wwweyesontheprize.blogspot.com/2008/11/nothing-wrong-with-kostopo...

Mr.Hazard's picture
Finally, someone more articulate and reputable than I says what I've thought all along. I was even surprised at the penalty call... Then the Kostitsyn "trip" which followed shortly after. Ex nihilo nihil fit

Robert L's picture
Yup, the "trip" came after the fall. That's like blaming broken branches for the wind! Not so sure about that "articulate and reputable" stuff, but as a man with only 200 words in his vocabulary, I'll take it!

RudeMood19's picture
BEST thing about that clip Robert: The score was 0-0 still.

Robert L's picture
That's funny. I saw that too!

splurge's picture
nice.

Great read Canadas Team, Gods Team You name it The Habs are it