Game 15: Slumping Habs fall 2-1 to Flyers

posted by Dave Stubbs at 22h35 EST on Nov 15


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Flyers goalie Martin Biron stones Canadiens' Alex Kovalev from in close during tonight's 2-1 Philadelphia victory.
John Mahoney, Gazette

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Well, those 1945-46 Stanley Cup-winning replica jerseys didn't seem to do the trick, did they?

Wearing the sweater style of the club that won the organization's sixth of 24 championships, the struggling Canadiens delivered another losing effort tonight at the Bell Centre, their fourth defeat in their past five games, falling 2-1 to the Philadelphia Flyers.

This one came at the hands of the team that bounced the Habs from last season's Eastern Conference semifinal.

Flyers goalie Martin Biron, who was nearly unbeatable in his team's five-game playoff ouster of the Canadiens, was superb again tonight.



Philadelphia's Scottie Upshall and Jeff Carter beat Montreal goalie Jaroslav Halak in the first and second period to stake the visitors to a 2-0 lead.

Canadiens' Alex Tanguay, with his eighth goal of the season, scored midway through the third period to bring the usual sellout crowd back into the game.

But despite excellent Montreal pressure through the final 10 minutes, and a power play with 3:11 left in regulation time, the Flyers hung on tenaciously for the victory.

The Canadiens' once vaunted power play went 0-for-4. The Flyers outshot the Habs 31-25.

The Habs' record fell to 9-4-2 while the Flyers improved to 6-6-4.

The Canadiens chartered to St. Louis immediately after the game and will play the Blues on Sunday night.

 


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jrshabs1's picture
The Canadiens need more Canadians in there line up. The boys are jelly doughnut soft, it'll be a long winter if no changes are made. Would a trade to bring Sheldon Souray back be so bad? The forward playing on the point during pp's is something that you do in minor hockey, we need the big booming shot from a d-man. A couple true scrappy in your face forwards would bring a hole new dimension to this team. Bob the writing is on the wall. The 29 other teams have figured us out. Time for a change?

Completely agreed. There is a reason that Europeans are considered soft, and it's not because of their "race" as some of the PC clowns may say. Rather its the fact that they are not taught the game in the same manner as kids who play over in NA. The end result is that the NHL is played rough and tough, not all European trained players are up to that challenge, through no fault of their own really, they are simply being taught more of a skating, skill game. We saw what happens to those two things when the body starts to be applied.

The jingoism is disappointing but not unexpected. But asking for Souray back? Please, god no!

coachdoug's picture
Like the stock market many are wondering where is the bottom. If we are only going to play 10 minutes of a sixty minute game can we pay salaries based on that percentage? That would give us a lot of cap space. I disagree that a road trip is the solution...great players play better under pressure not worse. It may be a long 100th season...

Sneezer's picture
The solution may not be a coach change, but it's a coaching problem. Whether a change in who's at the top or what they're doing, it has to be the source of the solution. The coach can't just say "players should play better"... he has to say "why aren't the players playing better - and what does the situation need me to do to fix it." If coaching was easy, anyone could do it. It's incredibly hard, and I have great admiration for Carbo, but if he doesn't get this team playing more consistently, he should be replaced. ____________________________________________________________ Why don't we have a defensive coach? Insanity? Or arrogance?

The Cat's picture
It is a hard job, if not impossible with todays primadonnas who make millions and run the team behind closed doors. Carbo lacks imagination and can be incredibly stubborn, he always seems to address a problem when its a tad too late though...The thing Im starting to ask myself is and anyone who wants to answer can answer: Is Laraque well liked in the dressing room. It could be my imagination but it seems that after he tuned Gratton up, the players on the bench werent banging their sticks on the boards with that much enthusiasm; considering Laraque's domination. Again could be my imagination...

Laraque is not needed what the point of never fightingen you should and then fighting so early on that it does nothing to spark the team.. he is slow and useless i say get rid of him...

The Cat's picture
The good news is the habs will beat St.Louis.

twocents's picture
Cat, what happened to our exchange yesterday morning on this thread? The whole thing has completely disappeared. I didn't think there was anything way out of line.

The Cat's picture
I haven't seen if its disappeared. But yeah I didnt think it was that bad. I certainly have no ill feelings.

twocents's picture
I'm glad. Wasn't it on this thread?

The Cat's picture
The habs played better but not quite good enough.

Bugs's picture
Losing is a disease. As virulent as cholera or tuberculosis. Losing is a disease. As contagious as the pox and the bubonic plague. Losing is a disease. As insidious as cancer or syphilis. Ah! But curable. Now, I want you to picture yourselves on a calm lake with a gentle breeze blowing about you. Find your mystery cave and discover who you really are as an individual and as a hockey player. Establish your mantra and follow it. Be firm with yourself but forgive yourself. Set yourself goals that will allow you to get better and rehabilitate your skill set. Drink lots of liquids. Right now, you are sick. Losing is a disease. As crappy and as demoralizing as the city of Philly. Peace Out ______________________________________________________ Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

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Bugs's picture
Get off the street. Peace Out ______________________________________________________ Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

Why? This isn't the Lightning...

Kaptain K's picture
Good thing the street doesnt run the habs management...carbo isnt going anywhere... and for good reason. --- RULES OF A HABS FAN: 1- The PLAYERS must earn our confidence, WE dont have to be patient 2- You lose, you get shredded by the media.... DEAL WITH IT 3- You want our respect, WIN THE GAME 4- Habs fans reserve the right to rip apart anyone

doug's picture
screw it - i'm even going to last year's avatar. . . i'll try anything. going to see a witch doctor tomorrow.

Man Erik Cole...Ollie Jokinen.. Just some of the names that were moved that we could have bid on. Bleh. I like Tanguay..I mean you need a couple of those guys on your team..but Lang?!?! Lang?????? Sigh

Vid's picture
I thought Philly executed a defensive strategy that effectively stifled our style of offense. Have 4 guys as a box near Biron and the 5th guy pressuring the puck at the points. They were pretty much limiting us to the perimeter and many of our shots never reached the net being blocked by Philly players. Interesting that the one goal we did score was on a strong play where a player was in front of the net. Otherwise it was rare to see a Habs' player in that spot. We never got to rebounds or the Philly D got to them first. Granted I also noticed a lot of bouncing pucks but that's not an excuse. Flyers also did a lot of double teaming and not just on Kovy. It didn't help that yet again our forwards our waiting at the offensive blue line forcing our D-men to make these absurdly long passes from their own end. One of the commentators made a good point about lack of communication between the goalie and the Dmen. A few too many blind drop passes in the o-zone. We need some new offensive strategies because we have become too predictable. Our D was actually okay or maybe I'm only saying this because of the horrendous TO & Boston games. I think that the problem with our team defense has more to do with our forwards than our Dmen.

Sneezer's picture
Good points. This is the same HAbs team that got outshot so many times last year... trying to make fancy plays and score from the boards. While this coaching staff has shown that it can create a team that flies high and passes well, it has also shown that it has no idea how to adjust to teams that have strong physical play and can keep the Habs to the outside. Add in a few talented snipers who can catch the Habs pinching too hard and you have a Habs loss most games. ____________________________________________________________ Why don't we have a defensive coach? Insanity? Or arrogance?

Philly didn't pressure the D like Boston and Toronto did.

habs are living on their laurels from last year. What happened last year, is history. We don't get a 50 goal lead. You have to earn points. They need to realize that's this is a new year and reputation and accolades from last year, is not enough to get it done. hard work and effort is the only way to win. Nobody is going to bow down to the habs. this team was very fortunate last year, in that they had no major injuries, and nothing was expected of them. Now that the pressure is on, they fall apart. But guess what? there are hungry players in Hamilton who are chopping at the bit to come up here, and if the habs lose 2 of the next 3 games, against inferior teams, then expect changes. I would say, D'Agostini will be here along with Weber(to play the point on the PP), and perhaps Pac, or Chip. So if players like the 2 kostistyns, Lapierre and Lats aren't willing to put out the effort, just know they will be replaced.I can't see Sergei remaining on the team because he hasn't put up any number this year or last, to show he's a goal scorer, and Lats doesn't belong in the NHL, period. And I still believe Gainey will acquire a D man. It's absolutely imperative that he does. The tv announcers were saying that there's to much of a gap between our D and the forwards. Why don't the forwards come back to help out our D? the D don't seem able to make breakout passes, and the passes are never tape to tape. Maybe if we had better D men, then we wouldn't have to spend so much time in our own zone. Anyways that's what I think. Don't wait too long Gainey. we need help now.

The Cat's picture
I agree with your analysis. Ive always maintained that the 2 Kostitsyns are way way way overrated. Im all for bringing in some AHLers. But also I got to add that the habs werent that dominating last year, they were outshot most of the time, only the powerplay saved their asses a lot which ain't happening this year.

i think carbo should send SK back to hamilton. he is floating out there and has lost his spark. i also think that AK should be put on a different line. in fact, break the pleks line up completely. why not? they have played one complete game all season and this line has barely showed up for more than a couple of shifts each game. if that. i also think that we should bring some new blood up from hamilton. d'agostini or pacioretty. make the players fight for their current positions because its obvious they haven't got any fight in them anymore. and maybe we can beg for streit back.

If the coach won't play Dandy after recording a 4 shot performance last game on the fourth line, the second highest point total then for God's sake let him take Breezer's spot. The team has been worse since BGL was activated, what does that tell you. Why do young players like little Kostit and Gui get a free pass, why can't they play 70 games and spot the vets in there, Carbo is the least creative coach in the league, he is so rigid and does not give more ice to lines or players that are going, it really pisses me off.

HabsColor's picture
I have a BIG question this season. Souray was at the PP hammer point -- Habs was PP of the league in 2006-2007; Steit was there -- Habs was PP of the league in 2007-2008. So far, this season, Habs PP looks like... nobody was assigned there as the hammer point. Looking forward to answers...

CHsam's picture
I think they thought they could fill it with Markov. Hes good. But.....Yeah, tough to answer. Wish we still had streit. What it looks like is that we need someone to pair up with Kovy on PP so that we can shift it around

doug's picture
This has been widely discussed in the past and is generally perceived to be a major reason why the PP is lacking. Some had hoped Weber would fill the void given his hard shot, but he's young and most opine that he's not quite ready. SKots and Tanguay had been suggested but neither has the power slap, nor does Markov who was more effective passing to said (lacking) player. Team is a pretty passing perimeter team but depended on those big rebounds to put the puck in the net. There are no obvious candidates to fill the void. . . so they'll have to work on something else like being tougher in front, blocking the goaltender's view, etc. In my opinion, PP is THE single difference between this year and last year on offense. . . with honorable mention to too many passes and an inability to hit the net in general.

HabsColor's picture
I viewed an article this trading season decribing the Mark Streit was very disappointed that Habs even didn't pay any attention to match offers (on Steit) from other teams. I just thought that BG and coathching team had alreday chosen a good candidate filling out this PP position. But until now, I am still confused and disappointed.... BG also needs waking up.,djier934r83y83yt78yfn vpd98097erfdf....

I imagine the Habs were very disappointed that Streit didn't pay attention to what they had done for his career. A number six d-man given the power play point consistently throughout the year. They made him a specialist, and he made bank on it.

HabsColor's picture
I was thinking the same way... but the point is that They Must Make Another Specialist There. Any player from our roster can be capable of the hammer, but so far, we haven't seen ONE.

The Cat's picture
Good point and Streit wasnt the reason the PP was going, it was Kovalev, the PP will wake up when Kovalev wakes up.

doug's picture
tough position. yes he had big shot but he couldn't crack our d easily. . . and commanded ridiculous money. so i wouldn't have signed him either. really depressing thing to me is the ufa's we lose after this season if things don't go well. really do have to start identifying who to let go early and trade to shake things up. . . have a feeling players' values are dropping except for koivu (who i hope we keep), higgins (who is making more and more sense to ship). we need a tough all-around player. . . we have skill and then energy. . . and laraque, who is kind of neither, just a fighter who doesn't skate hard and hasn't impressed me with his bodychecking (perhaps because he can't catch up to people without taking interference call for late hit)

Tom S.'s picture
I suspect he would have settled for less to stay in Montreal long-term, but we'll never know. I thought it was a mistake not even making him and offer. Worst case scenario, he'd have walked in the end.

doug's picture
Habs record by day of the week: Sunday - no games (until tomorrow) Monday - 2-0-0 Tuesday - 2-0-0 Wednesday - 1-0-0 Thursday - 1-1-0 Friday - 0-0-2 Saturday - 2-3-0 Poor guys just get tired like the rest of us as the week goes on. And the later weekdays and weekend are hard after they've been drinking and picking up women Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights. Curfew, anyone? ;)

Garghamel's picture
I love the breakdown... makes a compelling case.

Tom S.'s picture
UGH!!! I'm not liking what I've seen so far this season. The chemistry we had last year is gone. Our D is only a shadow of itself and Streit's absence is hurting us huge, especially on the PP. We need help on D! Kovy looks like he did 2 years ago and that's scary. AK46 and SK76 can't find the net even with a GPS. Carbo better find a way to break the trap everyone's using against us lately. Toronto, Boston and Philly all clogged up centre ice and we're playing standing still, therefore no offense generated. I'm worried...

doug's picture
all very valid points. . . and komi looks like 2008 playoff komi, not regular season breakout komi. and getting beat up won't help his confidence any or make him any more intimidating.

Tom S.'s picture
Laraque has to tune up Lucic, and Thornton if need be, to avenge the beating Komo took. Laraque is of NO use if he doesn't not only fight and win, but also create a bit of fear amongst the tougher players. I get the sense that the opposition doesn't respect us and have enough toughness of their own to run around at will, not fearing retribution. I thought Laraque looked bad in his first few fights. The only one I thought he won convincingly was, in tonight's game, against Gratton. He needs to do that more often.

The Hamilton Dawgs beat Rochester 4 to 3 as Marc Denis stopped 14 of 17 for the win. D'Agostini had 2 goals including the winner as Maxwell and Chipchura added singles. Dags was 1st star and Chips was the third star.

twocents's picture
Bryan, have you seen any Bulldog games this year? I am wondering what this Belle guy has looked like in games. He has a healthy plus/minus.

Eric - No, i have not seen any games but i was hoping to get to the game in Montreal on Nov-30 if i can get out of a commitment. I've listened to many games and Weber is paired with Belle most of the time and that could help his plus/minus and i'm not sure about his foot speed for the new NHL, but he could be a bandaid.

twocents's picture
hmm... if Weber has been paired with Belle, that makes Belle's 6 points better than Weber's plus/minus even more impressive. I am not really suggesting he is an answer to our needs, just wondering what more we may have in the pipeline and if there is a pleasant surprise on the horizon or not.

Maybe the answer is J.T.Wyman who has been converted to a D man. On the broadcast this evening they were saying that Belle been real steady but he just doesn't use his size enough.

martin's picture
they have the dallas cowboys-itis: on paper they are superior in almost everyway but once the game begins the team has to realize that they have to perform to be as good as whats on paper.

Will Longlade's picture
It's really debatable whether the Habs are superior to other teams in everyway. This year's edition of the team may be overhyped just like last year's edition was better than the press they were getting at the beginning of the season.

doug's picture
completely agree. let's look at the facts: retained players: koivu - best player on the ice but consensus pick as second line center kovalev - back to 2006-7 frustrating level of inconsistency/poor play higgins - same player three years in a row plekanec - breakout regular season followed by retreat in playoffs, which seems to be continuing akots - lost skots - surprise last year and back to age-appropriateness latendresse - same player three years in a row begin/kosto - role player ADD Lang/subtract Smolinski - a wash, more offense and faceoff and perhaps less grit ADD Laraque - meaningless in a goon fights goon league and without other toughness ADD Tanguay - biggest addition to 2008-09 squad, and only valid reason to really have higher expectations, but coming off bad season in calgary and dependent on others for leadership: solid point producer not tough all-around player we're lacking defense: komi - back to 2006-7 so far bouillon - steady 5th or 6th gorges - improved but not a game breaker markov - same player as last two years; solid hamrlik - biggest addition from 2006-07 brisebois - help o'byrne - young, unproven, and losing confidence SUBTRACT: Streit - and there goes the PP goalies Price - shaky like he was early part of last year and in playoffs Halak - solid but young SUBTRACT: Huet, to stop the bleeding (or any other vet) So what's really happened? We're still a soft team. We're still a perimeter team. We're still highly stoppable if you crowd/shake price and clog the neutral zone. We are likely to face injuries (i.e., more) whereas last year was ridiculously fortunate. We haven't much true veteran leadership beyond koivu, and no one with rings except Kovalev and Dandenault who were not leaders on those squads. The hype was way too much. It's the 100th year, but that doesn't mean it's our birthright to win. Let's play it out and make adjustments as necessary. We're a borderline playoff team: is any one of these guys a legitimate all-star in the absence of ballot box stuffing? I don't think so. . . this really isn't all that surprising.

Kythehabsfan's picture
omg, the sky is falling! .... really folks, we are reacting to a couple of games here in mid-November. The players on our top 3 lines are all good and those who are not playing well (SK) will come around. Maybe the brothers will play more together. The 4th line though - I don't think we are getting much from them. If Chips is doing ok on the draws in the A maybe something will happen.

Harsh man. How do you rate Lapierre?

HugeHabsFan's picture
Good point. Sad part is...I'm a Cowboys fan too. :( ........... "To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Be yours to hold it high." I STILL BELIEVE. I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE.

martin's picture
me too thats why I know lol

HugeHabsFan's picture
Thankfully though, I'm a bigger Habs fan, lol. I actually have had to step back from watching the Cowboys as of late, it's just too painful. I can't hack it. On the other hand, I'm so addicted to Habs hockey that when we have long gaps in games like we have over the last couple of weeks, I can't stand it! We'll get thru this mini slump (that "mini" is my positive attitude shining through). ;o) ........... "To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Be yours to hold it high." I STILL BELIEVE. I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE.

travelsized's picture
*sigh* Ah well, going to go cry myself to sleep again I guess. Next time!

Willy the bum's picture
One of the better losses I've seen this season... Maybe if the team could really mix up the lines; you may be surprised if one of those very unusual lines can produce points. Kovalev-Lang-Laraque? Why not! Try it for the next game.... ---------- "We all wore the same costume as Maurice Richard did; the red-white-and-blue costume of the Montréal Canadiens, the best hockey team in the world." - Roch Carrier

2 things contributing to our woes, what's changed from last year; expectations are high were predictable other teams have also built competitive teams with bigger faster players unlike the multiple midgets we have weaker on overall defense, we breakdown on the opposing teams fore check what needs to happen veterans need to start producing we need good goaltending. (good tonight) as someone suggested we have great talent down in Hamilton. Its time to cut loose of a couple of players we will lose next year and bring up some big fast players. bring up a new D. Why on earth do we want Brisbois. Him being there is absolutely foolish.

HabsColor's picture
Carbo and Breezers are buddies.

martin's picture
true so true the good ole boys club on that one

well if he like those types of friendships than have Bob Gainey bring Carbo a family member to play on his team. He plays for the Stars and he would be the Habs best player.

Sneezer's picture
Folks, I think I can speak for most of the other 'malcontents' on the site these days when I say that why I'm upset NOW and not willing to wait 82 games is that I see the SAME problems that the Habs have had for YEARS. Tough teams push them around... they're streaky, win alot, lose a lot... the play gets too fancy with a lot of blind passes. Different year, same stuff. Am I worried - YES. Do I have reason to be - YES. Hopefully change is coming. Toughness doesn't come from one guy. That's part of what we need, but I do wonder about Carbo's ability to prep this team. Too much play in our end... we're too soft in their end. We want to WIN. And we can, but not like this! ____________________________________________________________ Why don't we have a defensive coach? Insanity? Or arrogance?

martin's picture
a true fan never gives up, just gets a little disgruntled. GO HABS GO ps if I was a paying customer I would be livid because they suck right now

gumper's picture
Anybody else notice (despite all the crappy passes and lack of focus) that Koivu and Kovalev seem to have something going out there? How about Koivu, Kovalev and Tanguay for a game or two? Put the Kostitsyns and Pleks on a line and try Higgy with Lang and Lats. Don't want to get all over Carbo because, like it or not, he's the guy who'll go the distance this year, but he's very slow to shake things up. Right now everyone can agree the passing is not clicking. One way to improve focus is to give players new linemates. They have to bear down and concentrate more. As coach, not sure if I'd go with Jaro or Price next game. Jaro played okay, but everybody goes top shelf on him because he just doesn't fill the net. Unless he can get the glove working, I'm not sure he's big league material. Finally, people are all over Kovy and Pleks. Check the stats. It's Andrei who's blowing chunks right now. Not sure where his game has gone, but he'd better find it soon.

The lines aren't the problem with this team. As fans we can speculate all we want. Take what Huet said last year as the gospel, the problem is between the ears.

HugeHabsFan's picture
I think if we're slumping, then why not try a few changes? Never know what you might find! ........... "To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Be yours to hold it high." I STILL BELIEVE. I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE.

So tell me how this works... we add Tanguay and BGL and we are supposed to be Stanley cup champs. The young guns have hit a plateau and are not getting better. God forbid we make the playoffs and have to play Boston, Philly or Toronto. 09425

Kovaliv cant seem to take checking and I think all teams know this. Great skills on open ice and no pressure on him but pressure increases so does the losing of the puck

HugeHabsFan's picture
I thought we were Habs FANS? 82 games people. 82 games. ........... "To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Be yours to hold it high." I STILL BELIEVE. I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE.

martin's picture
sure 82 games but you have to play in all of them!! Go Habs Go

HugeHabsFan's picture
You're right, we do. And it's not that I'm not disappointed or frustrated. But the truth of the matter is we will not win 82 games and I'm just glad that it is still early in the season. We will prevail. GO HABS GO. ........... "To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Be yours to hold it high." I STILL BELIEVE. I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE.

Habs64's picture
We need a quick turn around win tomorrow in St. Louis.!