Game 17 (audio): Price brilliant but Habs fall

posted by Dave Stubbs at 23h47 EST on Nov 18


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Former Canadien Sergei Samsonov celebrates his first goal in 19 games – against the Habs, of course – in front of Montreal's Sergei Kostitsyn.
Jon Gardiner, Reuters

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Without Carey Price in goal, making a career high 46 saves, the Carolina Hurricanes might have beaten the Canadiens 10-1 tonight.

But if the 2-1 loss in Raleigh, N.C., wasn't embarrassing on the scoreboard, it certainly was in the unkept statistic of being badly outplayed. The unravelling of the Canadiens continues...

Former Canadien Sergei Samsonov scored his first goal of the season – in fact, his first goal in 19 games – at 3:06 of the third period. Ray Whitney then bagged his fifth three and a half minutes later, giving the Hurricanes a come-from-behind victory.



Centreman Robert Lang, with his sixth of the year, had put the Canadiens in front at 1:07 of the second period. That goal snapped the Habs' 0-for-20 drought on the power play.

But this game belonged to a ridiculously busy Price, who faced 48 shots and was brilliant on more than one occasion. By period, Price saw 18, 10 and 20 shots.

At the other end of the rink, Hurricanes goalie Cam Ward was facing 29 pucks from the Canadiens.

Montreal wraps up a three-game road trip Thursday in Ottawa before returning home for Saturday's contest against the Boston Bruins, to be preceded by the sweater retirement of Hall of Fame goaltender Patrick Roy.

Hurricanes' Brandon Sutter slides into Canadiens goalie Carey Price, who makes the save. A moment later, Sutter skated back up ice after having crosschecked a prone Price in the back, without a reply coming from the netminder's teammates.
Jon Gardiner, Reuters

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Bugs's picture
Can we all agree that if Kovy was playing like The Artiste that he is, we wouldn't be in this predicament? When he turns on the Juice, who can stop him? WHO?! Nobody, that's who. Do y'all remember what Jagr said 2 years ago? He KNOWS Kovy from waaaaay back. "Kovy needs to feel the Love." So what if it's foolish, so what if he's a prima donna, so what if he's a big baby, so what?! He's the BEST player on our team. Not only is he the best player, he's a dang GAMEBREAKER. All he wants is Love and Acclamation in return. Is that all? No problem! I'll even throw in the proverbial chausson aux pommes. C'mon Kovy! We still love you! Yaaaay, Kovy! Peace Out ______________________________________________________ Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

wd40's picture
how's this for love: i was just at an auction to raise money for a children's school and someone forked over $500 for a signed Kovy stick. A signed Koivu jersey only got $375.

coachdoug's picture
Well said Lord Bugs...when will Kovy return? I have a poster of Kovy in my garage that came with his DVD I bought. My kids were fighting over it so I had to put it in a neutral location. My whole family loves Kovy!!!

all this kovy stuff is making me cry.

coachdoug's picture
I know Kovy is a member of HIO on the down low...see the love Alex???

HugeHabsFan's picture
He's worshipped in our house...specially by my 9 year old little girl...who loves to play & watch hockey! ........... "To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Be yours to hold it high." I STILL BELIEVE. I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE.

The game last night reminded me of too many Saturday nights having to watch the pathetic Maple Leafs,here in Southern Ontario. Thank god Price made the score (loss) look respectable. Come on guys pull your socks up!

i am a long time reader and first time poster, i am so confused about why patrice briesbois is on this team, to me it is evident that he is scared to death to go into the corner.as a person who has played hockey all my life, it is so obvious. does anybody else not see this? this is not an nhl defenceman and i don't understand the support he gets. scared= turnovers.

Habsrule1's picture
Just look at the numbers. Brisebois is not great, but he has been playing ok, and turning over less than OB. I still prefer OB cayuse of his youth, but Brisebois is playing better right now. "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Go Habs Go!! Habsrule

Drive_For_25's picture
I see it. If you can't see it, your blind. He shouldn't even be playing AHL right now, he should be told to give it up bought out right away. Same goes for "Dandy" as well, because he is far from a dandy. Anyone on here who thinks he should be playing defense is insane. Yes he would probably be better than Breisbois, but let's face it, so would a minor hockey player. Dandy is supposed to be a defensive forward and is in the minus constantly, he's the best skater in the league but can't do anything with it, he's completely useless as well.

I was watching Breezer last night and noticed a couple of things. When he was racing back into his zone to retreive a puck near the boards, instead of shooting the puck around the boards to the either side, to one of his teammates, instead he swatted the puck back directly onto the stick of the opposing player. In fact he did that twice, and I thought to myself, "what does this guy have for brains"? I mean, an amateur knows to shoot the puck away from the opposition, right? He just constantly turns over the puck. Why is he on this team? I know Komi is injured, but honestly I would rather take my chances with a youngster like Weber, who will be here shortly anyways, and has a much better point shot. So yes I am second guessing the coach. here's something else I don't understand. When Carolina took a 2-1 lead and had all the momentum, wouldn't that have been a good time for Carbo to take a timeout to settle down his players and stop the momentum surge? sorry people, but Carbo does not make savvy decisions, and he is constantly being outcoached in every single game. I mean we're fans, and know what he should be doing, and he doesn't. what does that say about his coaching? I'm getting to the point that I just can no longer watch the habs play, it's like, the 23 stooges. It's extremely frustrating and embarrassing. After all, we probably just voted all our 6 players to the allstar game, and they're playing more like floaters, than stars. I just want to see a 60 minute effort. Is that too much to expect? if 29 teams can put out an effort, why can't we?

Odie Cleghorn's picture
Breezeby has no brains...just photos. And, obviously, that's enough!

your including the laffs in that 29....tabernac.

ericengels's picture
For a little optimism in this murky sea of disgrace and worry... http://habsinsideout.com/otherwing/ericengels/11198 EE

rp25's picture
Worry ?A lot..Disgrace? NEVER !

Bill's picture
Thanks, just what I needed!

If us, as fans, can see what's wrong with this team, why can't the coaches?

Bill's picture
It is possible - just throwing this out there - that we, the fans, have a somewhat uninformed, simplistic, outsider's perspective. I'm also guessing that most of us haven't played hockey at a serious level (major junior and up). So maybe we just don't know as much as we think. It is even possible that Carbonneau, Muller, Jarvis, and Gainey know more about hockey than we do, though that is not a widely-held opinion on HIO!

I totally agree the players and coaches know more about hockey at the pro level than I ever will. I just wish they would demonstrate it.

kidneyboy's picture
I agree with habsrule1; Lats played a solid game last night. In fact he and his line were much more effective, IMHO, than any line with possible exception of Lang and the brothers. To me it is a question of urgency; when the boys play like it matters they ae the best team on the ice no matter who they are playing against. Unfortunately they don't seem to maintin the urgency from shift to shift much less then from game to game. I suppose until this all sorts itself out we will have to endure long nights of mediocre play and a 500 record, win one lose one etc.

Lats played?

HabsColor's picture
I believe most of us here play (or coach) hockey (or soccer). Whenever a team playing evidently bad, the problems come from Union. It come from dressing room, the room poison. The biggest suspect is Kovalev.

Ron's picture
Please fill us all in on your assumption that the room has a poison lurking and that Kovy is the biggest suspect. To assume that its player problems and not coaching you must have some feelings on this line, please enlighten us all.

HabsColor's picture
Kovalev has the history of challenging coaches. In Habs he had ONLY one season like a "Good Pupil" which was last season. As we all know he was "tamed" last year because he was refused by Russian national team and Bob Gainey had a private "conversation"... Then, this season, he is back to usual normal Alex Kovalev again. Have you seen any good quality pass from him to Plec so far??? When a player challenges coach, the coach then has Huge Difficulties to manage and motivate a team. Also, many fans have the concern on how player relationship is in the room. Any bad relationship between any two players will be poinson to Team Morale, Passion and Motivation. Bob Gainey should step in to re-organize the team spirit: 1. Making coach team have Exclusive authority; 2. Find out the bad relationship between players and parties, solve it or at least minimize. 3. If there are poisoning players, trade them, whoever they are.

Ron's picture
I don't know if "tamed" last year is a good description as to Kovy's turn about playing, yes I do think that the talk with BG did wonders for his playing effort that moved the Habs into the playoffs. I do not think that Kovy has challanged the coach this year at all. I think Carbo has challenged himself with quite a bit of inconsistant game plan changes with lines etc and has not given any line a little time to come together. The media has been all over our Habs and they have not detected any locker room banter that suggests malcontent with each other, if a player farts the media hears it. As far as have I seen any good passes to Plec lately from Kovy I have to say no. This might be because Plec is playing a bit like a soft doll out there and his play is part of the problem as is many other players. I do believe now after watching the season so far it is the coach and his assistants that are not getting this team moving in the right direction.

Shoowtime's picture
After last nights game I was left with a terrible taste in my mouth!!!. What the heck is going here.Thank goodness the price was right last night or else they would have gotten slaughterd. There are 4 problems this team has and 3 can be fixed. 1)Power Play. They must find a solution and fast teams have noticed and adjusted to there scheme.put Markov back on his original side and have Sergei or Koivu run the point anything call up Weber whatever that must change. 2)Defence: Where in the world has the Defence Gone even with Komi in the line-up we still give up too many shots Trade for a D-man or adjust the system it aint working by the way Breezer is a waste of space.Obyrn must smarten up stop taking the dumb penalties. 3) Toughness :Laraque must be in the line-up even if he plays only 2 minutes a game just him breathing on the bench the opponents will take notice.Last night if hes in the lineup Ruutu doesnt take a shot at Pleks and Sutter doesnt take a shot at Price. 4) Latendresse: He is playing like a PEASANT.I don't know who he hired as a skating coach but he looks like an A** outhere completly hopeless he doesnt hit he doesnt shot and doesnt fight so what is he there for Beauty GOD he doesnt even have that.Plain and simple GET RID OF HIM. There are atleast 2 guys in Hamilton who would love to have his spot atleast they would bring something to the team. But we all know that THANKS to the french media if anything should happen to there SAVIOR they would probably riot ala Maurice Richard. Just my opinion This team will bounce back There is enough heart on this team to do It. Ijust beleive there stuck in 2007.

Bugs's picture
You had me up til Guillaume, Showman. Best forward on the ice last night. Peace Out ______________________________________________________ Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

Habsrule1's picture
I thought Lats was one of the only bright spots besides Price. Obviously we were watching different games. Perhaps you were on TSN2 and didn't notice Latendresse on the ice? "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Go Habs Go!! Habsrule

HabsColor's picture
Hope this line: Higgins -- Plec -- Kost intact.

Bugs's picture
Waiting for Kovy... Waiting, still waiting... http://habsbros.blogspot.com/ I propose that next home game, 21 273 people start SOFTLY chanting Kovy's name. Not NORMAL chanting. SOFT chanting. "ko-vee, ko-vee, ko-vee..." Softly, ever so softly. Let's CALL HIM OUT. It would not only be freaky but I think he'd respond like a sunovagun. Peace Out ______________________________________________________ Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

Like in Rudy! And Kovy could sack Lucic and then the boys could carry him of the ice at the end of the game.

Bugs's picture
You see what I'm sayin'? Aw gee, Krob, now you got me tearin' up... Peace Out ______________________________________________________ Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

twocents's picture
Is that a 'Meatballs' reference?

lol I'd like him to sack Lucic so hard that the crowd can see the "ball steam". It can't be a "lame blast"...has to be good Lucic will look sick like he just ate "stale lamb". The guys better be up and ready for that game ....no shopping at some "beast mall" the day before...and we need to show some "team balls". Geez...Moser will be proud of me!

twocents's picture
Heck, I am proud of you. This 'late', and brilliant entry, will act as 'balms' do, in healing the pain of the team's recent play.

My brain hurts from my first bunch. I'm still waiting for Moser to step up to the "table" and "slam" one on us since this was his game.

twocents's picture
Yeah, we don't want to have to 'label' moser17 a 'Mats' for not showing up.

He's probably not "able" to until December anyway ....too many "malts". You are right Moser17 is just like him and the rest of the Swedish "meatballs" that started all of this in the first place.

twocents's picture
I don't know who started it all. But if we were to think like nightmare49, moser17 has probably just 'sat' back in a rocking chair waiting to hear 'Ma Bell" ring instead of doing something.

did someone say "meat balls"?

captaink4life's picture
No it's definitely a Rudy reference lol When he gets carried off the ice at the end of the game after finally playing (and getting a sack). _____________________________ Koivu for Prime Minister :) Drive for 25!!

Bugs's picture
So it's haikus now. I can dig it. The leaves fell before Inevitable plummet Yet Squirrel has nuts! Peace Out ______________________________________________________ Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

RetroMikey's picture
I feel we're in a slump and we'll rebound but if we don't, Bob has to make changes as I have said all along. 1. A physical DMan (bring up Shawn Belle from Hamilton or make a deal) 2. Bring up Matt D'Agostini and send Canadiens Idol Sergei K down (sophmore jink is coming true as I predicted!) 3. A big offensive skilled CMan (Robert Lang has to skate, skate, skate! or will it be bye bye bye if we pull the gun for a trade in this position.) I really don't like the way O'Byrne is playing this season for a promising prospect. I'll keep Brisebois any day folks! I see this his last season and I envision he will be the D coach for our team which we lack next season. Young guys who are supposed to be our cornerstone for years to come like Plekanec, A. Kostitsyn, Higgins, Komisarek havd been an early season disappointment and I do hope they rebound back. A Latendresse basher last season I was, he is improving IMO and will get better. Wake me up when this slump is over HIO staff and wake up the players as well! I want my firewagon hockey back in Montreal. Nice to see Grabovsky doing well in Toronto! No, I will not watch Roy's retirement, well, maybe a little peek before the game starts. We must rebound against Ottawa! "We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets"

maybe it's time to revisit the Sundin to habs saga. He would definitely add the grit and heart we are lacking. But if we also bring up players from Hamilton, won't it get our regulars to start working, because they would be worried about their jobs? anything to lit a fire under these underachieving lazy players.

RetroMikey's picture
Sundin sold his house in Toronto for 5.7 million. He's in California pondering that last offer he wants to get from Toronto. He will not play for Montreal! "We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets"

sundins wife will tell him what to do..but lets not go there.

Fabio D's picture
Hi Dave, Pat and Kevin, Are we going to be seeing any new Puckcasts posted to the site anytime soon? I remember it being a weekly posted item on the site and looked forward to it. Has something changed? I've checked the Puckcast page, the description on the puckcast does not match what plays. Thanks, Go Habs Go!

The Empty Netters .. by Seth Rorabaugh/Pitts. Post-Gazette ..... http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/emptynetters/archive/2008/11/19/... .................................. The Ottawa Sun - Ruutu to Habs : Bring it On .. by Don Brennen (your not trying to suck us into penalties are you, Jarkko) ..... http://www.ottawasun.com/Sports/Senators/2008/11/19/7458641-sun.html .......... RDS Update: The lines remained the same at practise in Ottawa today.

To be fair, the criticism of a "too European" style of play has nothing to do with the ethnicity of the players but ... their style of play (and perhaps lack of committment to the team concept). There is no shortage of talent on this squad. This is a coaching problem right now. Carbonneau needs to turn his wrath and disappointment on his own players and stop whining and/or looking aggrieved everytime a call doesn't go his way. We want winners not whiners!

where is chris nilan when you need him.

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
I really didn't want to be proven right....but it is inevitable. I stated many many times going back several weeks, almost to day one. We have the wrong people in the lineup. The signing of Breeze to me was a thunderbolt that had me walking around in a daze for weeks...shaking my head, not being able to find a shred of rationale around it...Henry and Weber are MILES better than Mr. Breeze....never mind Obryne who consistently crushes the opponents and is resilient because of his youth....breeze is an old tractor that never really worked well in the first place...if we need old relics around then let it be in a suit, behind the bench. (recall Savard in 93) Basically we have a HANDICAP on every line and that drags the abilities of the lines down. Carb has been negligent in his line combinations and I consider that as the main reason for our collapse. the likes of Kostop, Begin, Dandy, Lapierre add next to nothing in terms of offence, and very little in regards to defense, they are not heavy weights, they do not win fights and their checking abilities are well below a guy like LATS who has the size to make effective hits. We only need to keep one or maybe two of these guys, (Laps/Kostp are my choices) but to have all of them on the ice is LUDICROUS!! the next batch of mediocre underperformers is HIGGS, KOSTYjr, LATS... but if they are put with the right linemates, the best can be brought out of them. The other forwards are trying too hard with too little support and have fallen to making poor decisions at times. I find it completely ignorant that we would dare to question KOVY, KOIVU, TANG, LANG, ANDREKOST and PLEK. without them we would be dead last. to touch on the Defense, what the hell is the matter with KOMI? WAKE THE HELL UP AND GET BACK IN THE LINEUP BEFORE YOU MEET LUCIC AGAIN ON SATURDAY....AND YOU BETTER CRUSH HIM WITH SOME HITS... BGL WILL RE-ARRANGE HIS FACE...anyway, we'll talk about Boston another time. So whats the solution....SIMPLE!, bring up D'ags and PAX and CHIP: kostsr-plek-kovy tang-koivu-D'AGS PAX-lang-kostyjr Lats-Chip-BGL this lineup will crush BOSTON. 1. The work of BGL will be key to our success this season... 2. The Bell Centre should be rebuilt to hold 80,000... 3. Kovalev is now in his prime...

Sask Habs Fan's picture
For some reason I don't see BGL rearranging his face. He didn't last game when he should have after he hit Kovy from behind...as has been stated plenty of times on here....Laraque is pretty much useless with his stupid code and the way he "asks" everyone if they will fight him. Who cares about a stupid instigator penalty. Grab a guy and smash his face. If people know that he'll do that and not think they can just say "no thanks georges" then maybe he'll have some worth on this team.

Habitant in Surrey's picture
We have to wait to know for sure, but my guess is Lucic would embarrass Laraque as well. If that would happen, this team would indeed crawl in a hole suckin their suss.

captaink4life's picture
Those forward lines look good in my opinion. Just one thing though, I would reconsider putting #3 in your sign off. _____________________________ Koivu for Prime Minister :) Drive for 25!!

Obyrne "consistently crushes the opponents"? Like when he crushed Samsonov? Oh wait, that was Ryan getting turned inside out by a guy who hasn't scored a goal all year. It amazes me how negative you can be in regards to guys like higgy and S kost, but so blindly optimistic about O'byrne.

Habsrule1's picture
Took the words out of my mouth. The FACT is that Brisebois has played better than OB so far. I prefer OB in the long run, but right now, Brisebois is the better defenseman. "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Go Habs Go!! Habsrule

well last night we got some awesome goaltending, but the team is not playing a full 60 min game. the way we are going to win the next couple of games is to put in a 60 min effort. as of all the bashing it doesnt matter how bad your team is doing. i still have confidence in this team and listen it doesnt matter in the season well it does but the real season starts in april when they make the playoffs and go for the drive for 25 well thats my insight. go habs go

If you'll forgive me for stating the obvious, right now, there seems to be too much onus on solo efforts, and not enough onus on playing as a team. Whomever said that there is no "I" in team, also has to realize that when you pull the "team" apart, you're looking "at me". When the tic-tac toe passes work, and they have in the past, the Habs are arguably the most exciting team to watch. Last season's finish wasn't a fluke, the team played well. Yes, they fell apart in the playoffs, but there's no denying that the skill level is there. I personally believe that right now the Habs' biggest problem is between their ears. Once they learn to calm down and play together like they did last season, the wins will come. GO HABS GO!!!!!!

Fansincebirth's picture
When a team isn't firing on all cylinders and humming along, players take it on themselves to try to fix it and the end result is a bunch of individual efforts a la Kovy. When he's humming along, he's a team player, dipsy doodling, making opposing players go gaga just watching him. He moves the puck to someone else, shoot, score!! Now, it's each player trying to do all by themselves to try to fix the problem. No teamwork.... Back to basics lads!! Bring up some of the juniors to show them how it's done.

moser17's picture
And once we get to the "meat" of the problem we'll "tame" the other teams and it'll be check"mate". :)

I didn't want to start an anagram game with my post, but I agree. The Habs have to stop focusing on their individual efforts and play together!

moser17's picture
You didn't start an anagram game. I did. :)

twocents's picture
Please 'stop' this style of 'post' it really isn't the 'tops'. And until this team turns it around and 'pots' more goals I am really not in the mood. :o)

moser17's picture
Yes! Twocents!

And what if he "opts" to continue?

twocents's picture
Ooooo....shoot! I could have fit that in nicely.

moser17's picture
Yes!

that was "spot" on

moser17's picture
"to" saku11saku11: Yes! "ps": you rock!

thanks - and i thought i was going to hit a goal "post"