Game 21: Habs score huge win over Wings
posted by Dave Stubbs at 22h00 EST on Nov 26
Fourth-line centre Maxim Lapierre opened the scoring with his second goal in as many games, banking one behind Conklin at 5:23 of the second after having carried the puck behind the Detroit net. That's where Lapierre scored from on a dump-out, showing that good things can happen if you throw the puck at, or near, the net.
Tomas Plekanec made it 2-0 when he finished off a wonderful bit of passing with Andrei Markov and Alex Kovalev at 12:17 on the power play, beating Detroit goalie Ty Conklin.
Eighty seconds later, Christopher Higgins scored his first goal since his hat trick against Ottawa seven games ago, converting a nice setup from Saku Koivu at 13:37 of the second period to give the Habs a 3-0 lead.
Detroit's Johan Franzen took advantage of a giveaway by defenceman Ryan O'Byrne, who'd played a fine game until then in rebounding from Monday's own-goal nightmare, to put the Red Wings on the board at 13:31 of the third. O'Byrne was nailed to the Canadiens bench the rest of the game, his spot with Roman Hamrlik taken by Francis Bouillon.
Plekanec appeared to have scored his second of the game with a diligent bit of crashing the Detroit net and whacking away at 18:06, but a video review showed the puck never cross the goal line.
Montreal had a scare earlier in the third when defenceman Josh Gorges was drilled in what appeared to be a knee by a shot. He walked it off in the tunnel behind the Canadiens bench and didn't miss a shift.
Tom Kostopoulos was moved up onto a line with Koivu and Higgins to fill in for Tanguay and did an excellent job at both ends of the ice, playing his best game of the season.
The Canadiens face the Washington Capitals in Landover, Md., on Friday night before returning home to play the Buffalo Sabres on Saturday.
Tomas Plekanec made it 2-0 when he finished off a wonderful bit of passing with Andrei Markov and Alex Kovalev at 12:17 on the power play, beating Detroit goalie Ty Conklin.
Eighty seconds later, Christopher Higgins scored his first goal since his hat trick against Ottawa seven games ago, converting a nice setup from Saku Koivu at 13:37 of the second period to give the Habs a 3-0 lead.
Detroit's Johan Franzen took advantage of a giveaway by defenceman Ryan O'Byrne, who'd played a fine game until then in rebounding from Monday's own-goal nightmare, to put the Red Wings on the board at 13:31 of the third. O'Byrne was nailed to the Canadiens bench the rest of the game, his spot with Roman Hamrlik taken by Francis Bouillon.
Plekanec appeared to have scored his second of the game with a diligent bit of crashing the Detroit net and whacking away at 18:06, but a video review showed the puck never cross the goal line.
Montreal had a scare earlier in the third when defenceman Josh Gorges was drilled in what appeared to be a knee by a shot. He walked it off in the tunnel behind the Canadiens bench and didn't miss a shift.
Tom Kostopoulos was moved up onto a line with Koivu and Higgins to fill in for Tanguay and did an excellent job at both ends of the ice, playing his best game of the season.
The Canadiens face the Washington Capitals in Landover, Md., on Friday night before returning home to play the Buffalo Sabres on Saturday.
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Submitted by Habitant in Surrey on Fri, 11/28/2008 - 00:42.
Detroit just returned from a 3 game road trip in the west. They didn't have that usual extra drive to counter our Habs last night. We had more room in the Wings' zone too that other teams usually clog up.
It was an important win, but not a defining win. Putting several of these games together consistently will define what is possible for the playoffs.
We are still not designed completely yet for very deep in the playoffs.
I really liked the grit & hustle, the fore & backchecking combined with the skill that we definitely have is the only way we will win consistently.
Price would be even better if he did not go so low when in his butterfly. The book is to go high on Price. He flops to sit on his haunches, costing him 12 " of vulnerable vertical space.
That was the first game in a long time where an effective strategic game plan was obvious from Carbonneau.
The team, and Carbonneau, coming to the defence of O'Byrne was also inspiring and great to see. It showed TEAM character, and hopefully will be a catalyst to realise what has been obviously missing; character, chemistry and a backbone.

Submitted by Bugs on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 14:57.
Another review and preview,
Babcock suspects foul play in Hab manoevers after the Boys lay Motor City to waste. ...cry-baby...
http://habsbros.blogspot.com/
Peace Out
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Submitted by Titus Addrum on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 13:23.
Ironic the Habs trapped and played defense first against the Red Wings. The very strategy they could not adjust to when employed against them in recent games...
The Habs recent losses were mostly attributable to their inability or unwillingness to adjust to the trap (the Leafs & Boston games in particular). Instead of dumping and chasing they kept trying to 'dance' through three to four defenders in the neutral zone or even worse those f*#&$! cross ice passes coming across the opposing blue line...
Overall they have been playing well recently (a couple of no shows in between) and it was great to see them get rewarded for their efforts last night, especially after the Islander game, which outcome aside, I think was their best effort this season...
Is it me or does the team seem to play better when "Latin-Dress" is not playing?

Submitted by VintageFan on Fri, 11/28/2008 - 09:19.
WOW, I thought I was the only heretic to think that about #84. Any theories why?

Submitted by Habhopeful on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 13:09.
This is a reply to Vintage on the second page...
No i think head shots should be deemed illegal of course, im not for seeing any player get injured, but there are blatant hits to the head and then theres clean hits, where momentum will carry and cause parts of the upper body to elevate: a good example: Boullion on Ovechkin last year, ovechkin broke his nose on that hit, how do you think that happened, theres a size difference between boullion and Ovy so Boullion must have gotten his arms up to cause that but nevertheless a clean hit, Wideman on Stajan this year, perfectly legal hit, he cut across the middle and wideman seen the opening and hit him square on, now the bad ones : Kovy on Gagne, as much as i love Kovy that was a clear headshot, i forget the guys name on phoenix who hit Akost, his arms went completely up to Akost head when he could have simply hit him without bringing his arms to the head, Ruutu on Lapierre, again blatant head hunt...theres differences between blatant intent to injure and simple hockey hits to take the player away from the puck & play as everyone knows you gotta keep your head up in the game but every one is still gonna look down to keep an eye on the puck and thats bound to happen and you will get hit, remember this is a mans game and every player in the NHL knows if they arent fully aware of there surroundings they will get leveled its just a matter of where the hitter is looking to hit...
"We get nose jobs all the time in the NHL, and we don't even have to go to the hospital."
~Brad Park.

Submitted by VintageFan on Fri, 11/28/2008 - 09:16.
Still no argument from me. As much as I hate to be on the same page as Don Cherry, the simple way to reduce these injuries is eliminate the plastic - keep the padding.
BTW Big Bird was as hard a hitter as the league has seen, and he was very tall. How many head shots can anyone remember from Larry?
Submitted by LatheDog on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 12:32.
I was at the game yesterday in Detroit and let me tell ya, the Habs fans at Joe Louis Arena made a MAJOR DISTURBANCE. It was awesome! I would estimate that the building was 40% Habs.
A few minutes after the game ended, I told my friend that was there(he's a Red Wings fan mind you) that I wanted to walk to the other side of the arena to see if I could catch a glimpse of the guys at CJAD radio, or Benoit Brunet or Jacques Demers. But I couldn't find any of them.
Slightly disappointed, I kept walking a little further and lo and behold, who do I see??? Bob Gainey standing way at the top all by himself trying to finish up his carton of popcorn!
I shouted to him, "Mr. Gainey!", and I climbed up the steps to meet him. As I approached him I said, "Congratulations!", and extended my hand to him.
He replied, "Thank you", with popcorn still in his mouth, and he shook my hand. Then I abruptly turned around and walked away, but it was something I'll never forget, that is, congratulating the GM after beating the Stanley Cup champions in their own building! I didn't want to bug him for an autograph just because of his private nature and all.
Thirty feet further to our right, my Red Wing friend spotted Steve Yzerman with about ten fans hovering around him. He started his way up the steps to meet him but before he could get there Stevie went out the back door! I was laughing.
The habs played the first two periods perfect! It was a very gratifying game to watch.

Submitted by HabsChick on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 14:23.
That's awesome LatheDog. Are you sure it wasn't my dad though? ;) My dad is a Bob Gainey look-alike (+10 or so years & a little more hair). My dad was about as (seemingly) excited as Bob was after the win - super pumped inside but barely a smirk at the end of the game. Meanwhile my sister and I were going nuts! :)
What's funny is the "Let's Go Red Wings" chants only ever started after the "GO Habs GO!" chants. Poor home fans had to be taught when & how to cheer by the visiting fans...
Submitted by LatheDog on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 14:32.
lol.......yeah, I'm sure it was him......I have a pretty keen eye. Yes, those Wings fans were pretty pathetic!

Submitted by VintageFan on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:51.
How many of you are aware that it is one season with many games....NOT many seasons of 1 game each? This manic/depressive response to every game must be wearing you out. Keep in mind that at the present pace the Habs finish with 110 - 112 points.

Submitted by Tête CHarée on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 12:07.
True enough, but the play as of late has been somewhat disconcerting. But that's not necessarily a bad thing, particularly early in the season. If we've got to go through a funk, better now than in April.
No team is going to win 'em all....not even Detroit ;^)
The season is long, and there are many lessons to be learned along the way (for players and fans alike).

Submitted by Tête CHarée on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:36.
Hi all.....long time listener, first time caller
I just had to throw my 2cents in and agree with Habhopeful. I've seen a bit of a double standard from a lot of the Habs faithful when it comes to the headhunting issue. Too many times I've read fans crying for blood when an errant elbow is directed chez La Flannel, but no one cries boo when Kovy gets the arm up high on a follow through. C'mon people, we're supposed to have more class than Make-me-laff fans....let's stop behaving like citizens of LaffNation.
I don't want to see any player get hurt (ok....maybe Tucker), especially not one of ours. But unfortunately, the way the rules are written and applied these days, Stuart's hit was "technically" a clean one.
Proof positive that the league needs to get its act together to update the rules.
At any rate....sermon over.
Here's hoping that the boys learned a valuable and lasting lesson last night about the rewards of hard work.

Submitted by VintageFan on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:48.
Very refreshing, well thought out, cogent comment. Keep them coming
Submitted by krob1000 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:42.
You know what the most ironic thing about our hardworking defensive strategy last night......it's that it is actaully far less work than skating all over the place trying to forecheck and chase a puck noone can catch. We had jump when we need to and I think all of the hanging back in the neutral zone effectively shortened the length of our shifts (at least the all out time on them). I liked this strategy ......I get a little panicked when we employ it continuously once we build a lead that we decide is enough to sit on but aside from that it worked.

Submitted by Habsrule1 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 12:10.
Good point.
Working smart Vs working hard perhaps.
"I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Go Habs Go!!
Habsrule
Submitted by Jim M on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:53.
krob 1000
It also makes for very efficient line changes.
Submitted by krob1000 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 12:03.
Yeah I didn't notice anyone out there completely gassed and gasping for air. We have been burned (either by goals or sucked into penalties) by the habits of some our players to stay on the ice too long......hard to retend they couldn't get off when they are just hanging around the neutral zone.

Submitted by kelly21 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:10.
Just when you thought the glue holding the Canadiens together was starting to disintegrate, Alex Kovalev showed tiny gleams of the player we all know he has the potential to be, Tomas Plekanec partied like it was 2007 and Chris Higgins finally hit the back of the net after missing so many golden opportunities: talk about killing 3 birds with one stone!
And to top it all off, it was against the “only-a-2-in-the-L-column” Detroit Red Wings, a team that we haven’t won against since… 1) Mathieu Garon was in nets 2) before the lockout 3) Nick Sundstrom (anyone remember him?) was still on the team 4) Mathieu Dandenault was on the other side of the ice and 5) the Bell Centre had empty seats.
All that goes to show is that 5 years is a really long time in the hockey world, but then again it’s pretty short… if I’d have you guess the only current-Hab on the score sheet I’d bet you’d most likely be wrong…. drumroll please…. Steve Begin, getting his first goal of the season that year.
From that, we can tell that this much hasn’t changed: our fourth line still does most of the dirty work and comes up big in wins, our power-play is about the same – awful (going 0-for-5 in that game in 2003) AND Chris Lee is still handing out penalties by the Zamboni-load.
Well we can be thankful he wasn’t reffing the game tonight… fewer penalties gave a wonderful flowy-ness to it, and the guys from both sides were able to display their talent and skill. But it was the Habs who brought it home. Dominant for the first two periods, and playing safe defensive hockey the third, they rightfully took the win from right under the Red Wings, coming back from a – let’s just call it unpleasant – shoot out loss Monday night against the Islanders.
When you get to thinking about it… if it weren’t for the unpleasantness, would we have responded with such a solid effort tonight? I’m not so sure. We needed a wake up call, and that’s we got… though we should have been answering for days now, but apparently we only got to picking up the phone tonight.
You’re only as good as your next game, and ours is against Hat-trick Ovechkin and his merry Capitals, who will try to rob us of our newly acquired confidence & momentum. The Ovechkin show is always a pleasure to watch (from a fan’s perspective anyhow), but let’s hope our boys don’t get too caught up in it on the ice; we all know how mesmerizing Alex the gr8 can be.
Another hard-earned win would do us wonders… Friday can’t come any quicker!
"You can take the money and not be happy. Or you can take the dream." - Alexander Ovechkin

Submitted by HAB-PROFESSOR on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:19.
good analysis...another unsung hero in the last few games has been CUBE.
man has this guy stepped up to the plate big time...
1. We won't be a serious contender until PAX/STEW/CHIP/D'ags/WEB are in the lineup.
2. The BGL effect is pivotal to our success this season.
3. Kovalev is now in his prime...he just needs his linemates to reach his level.

Submitted by kelly21 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 13:47.
Ya definitely... him, gorges, hammer and TK are so underrated it's ridiculous! Without them, we'd be somewhere between NYI and Ottawa haha ;)
"You can take the money and not be happy. Or you can take the dream." - Alexander Ovechkin

Submitted by HAB-PROFESSOR on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 14:16.
ya!....as long as we stay north of Toronto!!

Submitted by kelly21 on Fri, 11/28/2008 - 01:42.
well said!
"You can take the money and not be happy. Or you can take the dream." - Alexander Ovechkin

Submitted by Habsrule1 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:32.
You really need to remove #1 from your signature. It's ridiculous. They MIGHT be the future, but we can win without any of them at the moment, so yes, we can be, and are contenders without those guys.
"I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Go Habs Go!!
Habsrule

Submitted by HAB-PROFESSOR on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 12:42.
no I don't, because one game doesn't change 2 years of analysis on this lineup. Don't get me wrong...we are good, just not great (yet).

Submitted by SmartDog on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:29.
I agree it's a good analysis, and thta Cube has been awesome.
I disagree with all 3 of your sig points though.
~Listen to the smart dog!

Submitted by HAB-PROFESSOR on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 12:46.
so you believe that we are a serious contender?
you believe that the Larock effect is useless even though Philly slapped our faces?
and you don't believe that Kovy has elevated his game to a level not seen since the Mario days?
I stand by the points because they are dead on correct.
1. We won't be a serious contender until PAX/STEW/CHIP/D'ags/WEB are in the lineup.
2. The BGL effect is pivotal to our success this season.
3. Kovalev is now in his prime...he just needs his linemates to reach his level.

Submitted by Habsrule1 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 13:23.
LOL...in your little world they are.
How did you fall in love with Stewart? The others I can buy, although I think there is something seriously wrong if it takes 4 minor leaguers to make us contenders.
"I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Go Habs Go!!
Habsrule

Submitted by HAB-PROFESSOR on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 14:14.
one day you'll understand why these 4 guys will make the difference....
I only need to watch a player for one or two shifts to know what he can do.

Submitted by Habsrule1 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 15:28.
wow...you're high on yourself, eh?
The fact is these guys may all be good NHL players one day, but saying that they make the difference right now to whether or not we're contenders seems slightly assinine to me.
But as you said, maybe I'll understand one day. If you are right, the Habs will not contend this year, because I'm willing to bet that those players will not all be on the team by the end of the year.
"I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Go Habs Go!!
Habsrule

Submitted by Habsrule1 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:33.
I notice he modified the one about Kovy lol
How about thinking up 3 more that are actually true...?
"I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Go Habs Go!!
Habsrule

Submitted by HAB-PROFESSOR on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 12:43.
3 more? but I don't wear rose colored glasses...yes modified!, not changed!

Submitted by HABZ24 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:07.
what a great win. now we are playing "clog the neutral zone" , but who cares if we get 2 points. price played fantastic. hope tanguay shakes it off and plays friday.
oh'burned was turned inside out for the wings goal,carbo MUST teach oh'burned to PLAY THE MAN, NOT THE PUCK,ur 6 foot 15, 300lbs buddy, dont waggle ur stik at passers by, friggin paste their azz to the boards.
another huge test friday vs the caps and the on fire ovechkinator. hope our clog system works its magic again. great win.

Submitted by Exit716 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:01.
It was evident they viewed this game as a challenge and a test.
Now from the ailing Motor City where the Wings owner pays his own way to Washington, where the Caps owner asks for hand outs and complains about Habs fans ruining the all star game voting. Kovalev is going to have huge game Friday, he's going to want to stick it to the young Russians in a big way.

Submitted by WindsorHab-10 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:19.
Not sold on Kovalev just yet. We've seen this movie too many times in the past. Experts talk about him as the most skilled in the league and unless he shows up every game like Ovechkin, I won't fall for his once in a while greatness.

Submitted by Andrew Sharpe on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:58.
What amazes me most is his lack of creativity on shootouts. It boggles my mind that the same player who last year stick handled one handed around the back of the net while scooping up his glove can't think of a better move than a wrist shot.
It's so frustrating to see what he's capable of last season and then watch him coast around. Is he really a Randy Moss "I'll play when I wanna play" player? I really and truly believed after last season that criticism was unfair but this season I am having my doubts. I LOVED watching him play last year, he might even have been my favourite player. He did things I've never seen any player do.

Submitted by HAB-PROFESSOR on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:46.
looks like the boys watched ROCKY on the flight to Detroit. 5 hanging back at our blue line, that wasn't a trap, it was a super-hybrid-trap! We took all they could dish out and then when we started to get more comfortable we pounced on our chances.
I really saw a desperate team out there around the Detroit net, playoff intensity to put that puck in, it was like sharks smelling blood, it looked good and it worked.
I have to credit Carb big time for this win, against a team that played right into our hands, we love going against the finesse teams because they don't hit. If we can shut down their stars we'll win. It was a classic Carb/Gainey System played out perfectly.
The hit on Tang (only hit Detroit threw) was a bit of a cheap shot by a headhunter, and I don't think Tang was expecting it. Let it be a wakeup call to him, it will only make him better. Just wonder why nobody chased down that Stewart....Sheldon would have....Speaking of Stewart, we've got one exactly the same.
1. We won't be a serious contender until PAX/STEW/CHIP/D'ags/WEB are in the lineup.
2. The BGL effect is pivotal to our success this season.
3. Kovalev is now in his prime...he just needs his linemates to reach his level.

Submitted by xaverian001 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:02.
I didn't think for one second that that was a cheap hit. Tanguay got caught with his head down and Stuart made him pay ... plain and simple. Just a great solid check.

Submitted by WindsorHab-10 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:21.
Clean hit, no doubt about it.

Submitted by wd40 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:03.
magnificent victory last night. Pleky's goal was a thing of absolute beauty. best game plan, coaching, and execution i've seen all year. air-tight.
the question is, will it indeed be the Turning Point of the season, or, just a bright spot we look back upon? the boys will decide, and let's hope they choose to make a statement with this game, and use it define the rest of the season.
GO HABS GO

Submitted by WindsorHab-10 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:25.
Last night they played a team game, shot on net and drove to the net as well. That's what must be done to win hockey games. We can handle losses as long as the effort is there which isn't much to ask for. Skill alone does not cut it in any sport. Skill + hard work = positive results. I hope the sweet taste of victory from last night NEVER leaves the mouths of our Habs.

Submitted by CrashTheNetCras... on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 09:57.
Didn't there used to be a guy called habsRnot that posted here all the time?

Submitted by habsguy on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:25.
it's funny how these guys disappear when the Habs are playing good and come back with a different name after a lose !!!!!

Submitted by Fansincebirth on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:05.
Me thinks he ran for cover after an exchange yesterday.
Don't want to discourage people from posting but if you're going to come off as a Habs hater or Loaf lover, then you should be posting somewhere else.
He said that "Detroit were going to destroy the Habs"...

Submitted by habsguy on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:26.
8 to 1 if I remember correctly !!

Submitted by wd40 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:33.
hopefully we can go at least a week without reading "Carbo has to go" or "Kovalev is a cancer".

Submitted by upintheblues on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 09:25.
was there actually no second star, or is the habs post-game report email just screwy?

Submitted by wd40 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 09:38.
on RDS, i think i saw Price, Gorges, and Pleky

Submitted by upintheblues on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 09:47.
Interesting. Seems more accurate, if a little slanted towards our boys.
In the Habs email it said 1. Plekanec, 2. none, 3. Franzen.
I've never really paid much attention to the 3 stars, or how it works. Does every broadcaster pick their own, regardless of who's announced at the game?
Which one does the Habs email report?

Submitted by wd40 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 09:54.
The Habs email report must refer to the official game summary report provided by the NHL (in this case, the 3 stars were picked by Mike Mouat of the Hockey News -- not sure what happened to his 2nd star).
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20082009/GS020316.HTM
I am not 100% sure (someone please correct me), but I believe the ones RDS shows are always for the Molson Cup standings, and are picked by a member(s) of the Montreal Media.

Submitted by upintheblues on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 12:59.
thanks wd, i always learn a ton on this site.

Submitted by xaverian001 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 09:17.
Start engraving the Cup ... we beat the defending Champs!! Eat your heart out Mats!!!!!!!!!!!!

Submitted by Fansincebirth on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 09:24.
Apparently, the Loafs are scheduling a meeting with Mats to try to lure him back.
Good luck boys.

Submitted by Habhopeful on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 08:58.
Im sticking by the hit on Tanguay was clean, no hit whatsoever is deemed legal by anyone anymore, everyone over analyzes the hit, perfectly legal clean hit, maybe if you watch it in slow motion you can see the follow through and his elbow comes up but thats just momentum, I dont like seeing players get injured especially on the habs but we seem to complain abotu every hit we see, this is hockey! this isn't basketball! i didnt see anyone complain about Kovy's hit on Gagne the other game, that was just as bad if not worse...im all for the habs but lets not restrict complaining about hits to our habs and none when we lay them out...JMO...
"We get nose jobs all the time in the NHL, and we don't even have to go to the hospital."
~Brad Park.

Submitted by VintageFan on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:55.
I won't argue with you. BUT do you think it makes any difference to the head if its hit with a plastic elbow pad, a plastic shoulder pad, a forearm or a stick?

Submitted by Habhopeful on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 13:09.
Vintage fan, ill reply to you on the first page...
"We get nose jobs all the time in the NHL, and we don't even have to go to the hospital."
~Brad Park.

Submitted by 100HABS on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:46.
I have a large HD TV with TIVO. Before the discussion on Antichambre, I replayed that hit a number of times with all angles. Stuart lined him up, and brought up his elbow in behind so that his arm (essentially his triceps) made direct contact with his Tanguay's face. I've never heard of that part of the arm being called in a penalty, just the elbow or anything below (forearm, glove).
So many will say this was legal. I agree with McKenzie and Michel Bergeron - it's the intention to hurt. He lined him up and tried to hurt him - legally. Could have given him a wicked concussion.
You want to take head shots out, punish them. Even if a stick to the head is accidental, it's punished. Hits to the head should be the same. If you throw the puck out from your defensive zone accidentally, it's punished... and this isn't??? makes no sense to me. Hockey is not about injuring people. I like a good hit, I don't mind fights, but I can't stand head shots - there's no need for this. I get sick to my stomach whenever I see a guy get hit like that.
Automatic 5-minute penalty for any head shots. That'll take head shots out and improve the game.
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Submitted by wd40 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:44.
i agree.
Stuart knew what he was doing. during the intermission, he said he "saw him (Tanguay) take a peek down at the puck" and knew "he had his chance". there was clearly intent to injure, it was a dirty and dangerous blow aimed at the head.
i'd like to say i'd be able to make the same claim if it was a hit by Komisarek.
the league needs to take action NOW.

Submitted by Fansincebirth on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 09:03.
I agree. I screamed "FOUL" at first until I saw the replay.... Good non-call.
On another note, loving the "Thumbs Down" by Hodge about ballot box stuffing by the over-the-top Habs fans. Not that I'm loving the fact they gave 'us' the thumbs down, just the fact that they are complaining about it.

Submitted by WindsorHab-10 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:32.
Dave Hodge is full of it and a Habs-basher. What Habs fans are doing is something fans throughout the league can do but aren't. Nothing wrong with wanting a good representation of your team in the Allstar game. Dave Hodge, do us all a favor and just retire or go back to Leafs tv.
Submitted by Thomas Le Fan on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 09:40.
Well it seems to me that a body check must be delivered with the hip, chest or shoulder. Any other part of the body that makes contact with an opponent is a foul. If the elbow is not tucked to the body, which it wasn't, and the elbow makes direct contact with the chin, which it did, it should be called elbowing. I don't really blame Stewart for taking the shot but just because the player is looking down for the puck, doesn't make it fair. I agree with MacKenzie that the NHL needs to figure this out and "headchecking" should be a penalty. Your mileage may vary, of course.

Submitted by Habhopeful on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:01.
Chest? not the chest alone, obviously any player who delivers a hit uses there arms there to absorb the impact and if the impact is hard the hitter's arms will extend during the follow through and thats exactly what happened with the hit last night, he hit him with the bicep area and during the follow through his elbow may have come up, this is not a blatant elbow IE: Ruutu on Lapierre...This was a perfect clean legal hit, its just bad that tanguay got slightly injured during it...looks like he may have suffered some whiplash and just may have a stiff neck, atleast its nothing serious...but then again with the indescretion coaches use on injuries we wont be sure till we see him play again...
"We get nose jobs all the time in the NHL, and we don't even have to go to the hospital."
~Brad Park.
Submitted by Thomas Le Fan on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:20.
Of course, hitting with the chest is not a great idea but it would be clean. They said the same thing about Stevens' hit on Lindross and I say the same thing in return. The follow through is what makes it elbowing. So are you saying that unless the perp skates across the rink with his elbow out, it's not a penalty? Players are armored from bicep to tricep with an elbow "pad" that is more like a stove pipe. The follow through that you speak of is what's causing the concussions. I'm not calling Stewart a goon, the shot was something any tough defenceman is going to go for. However, just as tripping a player when you attempt to check him is a penalty, elbowing a player when you attempt a body check should be a penalty.

Submitted by Habhopeful on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:37.
I see what and know what your talking about as there was a huge difference between Ruutu's elbow and Stuart's hit, It is a rare occurance that we never see a follow through when it comes to a big hit being delivered, thats how people protect themselves from being hurt themself, my point is it was legal hit and cannot be considered a "dirty hit" as some people suggested last night in Boone's game blog, it just annoys me when people are quick to jump to the defense of Kovalev when he throws his patented flying elbows I.E: Tucker, Hollweg...but when we get hit everyone cries foul...The habs fan in me hates it when one of our own goes down especially when its a dirty hit but when it is a good hit, im fine with it as long as its nothing too severe but the hockey fan in me also realizes that this is a two-way street...
"We get nose jobs all the time in the NHL, and we don't even have to go to the hospital."
~Brad Park.
Submitted by Thomas Le Fan on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 15:09.
You can't absolve the perpetrator because if he didn't use the elbow he could be hurt when he's the one with the intent to injure. If one gets his stick up to defend oneself from a high stick, both get two for high sticking. If the elbow comes up to "protect" yourself from the other player's chin during a hit? Two for elbowing. If you can't make the hit without using the elbow then don't. I guess you'll have to believe me when I say that I would make the same comment, unpopular though it might be, if the sweater colours were reversed. I don't like head shots even if they're deemed "legal". Anytime I see the follow through with the elbow or forearm, I'm going to say a penalty should have been called.
And don't get me started on Kovalev. ;)

Submitted by Habsrule1 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 09:19.
I think the thumbs down should be to the NHL for allowing this, not for fans.
Someone suggested on here yesterday that fans should have to pay to vote....50 cents or whatever, and the proceeds go to charity (how about the past player's fund?). I love that idea. People would vote much less, but it would be a pretty large sum collected anyway. I'd vote a couple times and be happy that I'm helping someone in the process.
"I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Go Habs Go!!
Habsrule

Submitted by habsguy on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:30.
hasn't it been this way for a while now, all of a sudden it isn't a good idea......fans are told "vote now vote often"

Submitted by Fansincebirth on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 09:23.
Oh hell yes.
I think it's funny. They leave the 'loophole' then complain because people are taking advantage of it.
Well, duh!!!

Submitted by wd40 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 09:46.
and in a recent statement after they removed about 15% of the votes generated by automated scripts, etc, the NHL said, hey, vote as often as you like, just don't use any form of automation. you're right.. Hodge *should* be blaming the NHL if he doesn't like it, NOT Habs fans. I mean, who the heck does he THINK Habs fans would vote for?

Submitted by Habsrule1 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 08:53.
Didn't I tell you guys not to worry? ;-)
Watched the game. The Habs played a great game. all the Carbo bashers, know that he has been preaching defence first, and the chances will come. This is the best defensive game the Habs have played in a long time. The Wings were shut down and had very little room to move. They may have taken 33 shots, but most were not dangerous, and the few that were....that's why we have Price.
Great game from so many players. Lapierre is showing why he belongs on this team. I loved how Begin & Dandy played also. Sometimes the 4th line guys CAN make a difference!
On to Washington, and stick with Carbo's game plan!
"I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Go Habs Go!!
Habsrule

Submitted by WindsorHab-10 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:37.
Loved everything about the game except sitting back and protecting the lead. We didn't get our first shot until there was 5 minutes left in the 3rd. We dominated the first 2 periods, had a 21-17 edge in shots and scoring chances. I would've preferred to keep it going in the 3rd because I don't think any lead is safe these days.

Submitted by Fansincebirth on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 08:42.
What the Hell!!!
TSN - "Canadiens snap slide; steal victory from Red Wings"???
Maybe they weren't watching the same game I was.
Steal a victory? How about "Earned a win with hard work"

Submitted by HugeHabsFan on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 12:25.
I work for a newspaper and this was our headline: "Canadiens cash in on lucky bounces to defeat Red Wings". UGH. Wasn't impressed.
...........
"To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Be yours to hold it high."
I STILL BELIEVE. I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE.

Submitted by travelsized on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:39.
TSN are always biased, though, and the red wings are definitely a favourite.

Submitted by Fansincebirth on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:54.
Detroit??
I thought TSN stood for the 'Toronto Sports Network'
Submitted by saku11saku11 (not verified) on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 08:41.
great win. i didn't see the game but did see highlites: each hab goal as well as detroit could have been prevented. just goes to show that hard work is what wins games! work created opportunities and good bounces.
work work work - effort effort effort
go habs go
for thos ein the US - happy turkey day. getting ready for beer and football!!
Submitted by Dickie on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 08:26.
Huge win for our confidence, and even better #84 was not in the lineup..I will say it again we are a better team without him bringing us down..La tricolore jusqu'au bout!!!!

Submitted by habsguy on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:33.
so what about all the games won with him in the lineup ???
Submitted by keep the faith on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 09:17.
you know it man time for 54 to hit the road

Submitted by coachdoug on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 08:07.
Happy Thanksgiving all HIO posters!
I am lounging around in my #14 T-Shirt waiting for some turkey.

Submitted by brad.men5 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 08:05.
Habs Back on Track with Win in Hockey Town
http://canadienscentral.blogspot.com/2008/11/habs-back-on-track-with-win...

Submitted by Andrew Sharpe on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 07:48.
Everyone who has been yapping for the past week about how we suck, fire Carbo, make a trade, etc, turn your computer off NOW. You have forfeited your right to post ANYTHING about this game.
We just beat the best team in hockey. Habs rule.

Submitted by Skotbot on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:39.
lol
I agree!
like I posted after the loss to NYI, when we lose there are over 500 posts, and when we win, its lucky to hit 300.
all those who stated the habs would lose last night are preparing their negative posts for the next game. lol
Do I listen to pop music because I am miserable?
Or am I miserable because I listen to pop music?
Submitted by Thomas Le Fan on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 09:18.
So, now you get to do the "yapping"? Only koolaid drinking fans allowed? What are you? 15?

Submitted by Andrew Sharpe on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 10:44.
That's right "Le Fan". When they win, I get to yap. When they lose, you get to. Now turn off your computer immediately!
Submitted by Thomas Le Fan on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 07:20.
Some thoughts.
1. Great Effort = success. We beat them to the puck early and often.
2. Put the puck on the net and good things will occur. They don't all have to be beautiful. Try for only one highlight goal per game.
3. Pierre McGuire is the new Howie Meeker. High pitched babbling idiot!
4. When Bobby Clarke is decrying players deliberately hurting other players, lightning should strike him.
5. Why is it that when a player has his head down, it's okay to hit it with an elbow? Again when Bobby Clarke says something was a great hit, lightning should strike. IT WAS AN ELBOW TO THE CHIN! I hope Tanguay is alright.
6. Franzen goal was a beauty. O'Byrne is still untangling his jock strap.
7. Well done team!

Submitted by Fansincebirth on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 06:28.
Just watched Sportcentre and they figure "Detroit may have been tired, they played Monday night".
Well no wonder we won so easy. It had absolutely nothing to do with a great game played by our boys, the poor Wings were a little tired....
Great game boys, keep them coming!!!

Submitted by WindsorHab-10 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:42.
Somebody should tell them that we played as well on Monday night.

Submitted by The Cat on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 06:38.
Hate to say it but they do have a point, not cause they played Monday though. It was a rough spot for Detroit despite their usual Wednesday home domination (5 of last 6 on the road), but no different than what any other team has to go through sometime. On the whole a good game, a win is a win. Im not going to say that the ship has been righted because of one game. The team has to learn to get up for all their opponents.

Submitted by Fansincebirth on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 07:21.
Normally I would give some points for being on the road and having to fly back home but they played in Vancouver Monday and, as was pointed out to me yesterday, the Wings have their own 'wings' so it's not like they were waiting around some airport for a red eye home. That and they had a whole day in between.
I'm just as bad as the next guy to make excuses why the boys turn an occasional bad game but when the announcers start making excuses, it just bites.
You're right though, a win is a win and I'll take this one and smile.
Submitted by nightmare_49 on Thu, 11/27/2008 - 06:12.
Great game for the Habs, one we should build on. Here's the NHL's Breakdown by Nationality .. by James Mirtle/From The Rink ..... http://www.fromtherink.com/2008/11/26/673622/the-nhl-by-nationality-52 ............ (an excerpt) The basics are that, with 768 players having appeared in a game so far this season, 52.0 per cent of the NHL is Canadian born.
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