Canadiens right on target: Carbo

posted by Dave Stubbs at 9h37 EST on Dec 23


The Gazette's Pat Hickey has a look at the Canadiens at the Christmas break:

When it comes to the Canadiens, there are expectations and then there are expectations. If you ask head coach Guy Carbonneau, he’ll tell you the team has met its expectations.

“We’re right where we want to be,” insists Carbonneau, who took a few days off to celebrate the Christmas season with an 18-9-6 record.



Carbonneau said there have been some nights when the Canadiens have had to deal with inconsistency, nights when the best players haven’t been the best players.

“You look around the league and every team has off nights.”

But Carbonneau also said he recognizes that fans and media have different expectations. They have set lofty goals for this team after it finished first in the Eastern Conference last spring. They wonder why the Canadiens are fifth in the East this season.

A dispassionate look at the team’s standing indicates Carbonneau might have the best handle on where his team is and where it’s headed. Here are a few facts that might provide fans with some Christmas cheer:

• Record – The Canadiens have 42 points after 33 games. At the same point last season, they had 37 points. They are on a pace to finish with 104 points, the same total they reached last season when they led the East.

• Offence – There has been a lot of moaning about the power play which, quite bluntly, sucks. But the concern last year was the team’s inability to score at even strength. The Canadiens are doing quite well in 5-on-5 situations this year and the offence has produced 98 goals – three more than at this point last year.

• Defence – This is the team’s bread-and-butter and it has allowed 86 goals, one fewer than last year at this point. The Canadiens rank fourth in the NHL in goals-against average and that should be encouraging because we haven’t seen Carey Price at his best yet this season.

• Alex Kovalev – He had the second-best numbers of his career when he led the Habs with 84 points last season. This season, everyone is wondering what’s happened. In fact, he’s tied with Alex Tanguay and Andrei Markov for the team scoring lead with 26 points, despite going a career-high 19 games without a goal. And he’s not that far off last season’s pace when he had 28 points after 33 games.

That’s not to say this team doesn’t have some warts:

• Power play – After leading the NHL the past two seasons, the Canadiens are 28th. Who would have thought this team would miss Mark Streit so much? The good news is the coaching staff has have juggled the personnel and Montreal has gone 5-for-17 during the past three games.

• Injuries – The Habs have lost key players like Mike Komisarek, Saku Koivu and Christopher Higgins for extended periods, but Josh Gorges, Matt D’Agostini and Steve Bégin have filled in.

One concern heading into the post-Christmas period might be the fact that 27 of the Canadiens’ final 49 games will be on the road, but this team showed last year that it can play the roadwarrior role. Montreal picked up 54 points on the road last season and only 50 at home.

The Habs will get a chance to show they can get their act together on the road when they open a four-game trip Saturday in Pittsburgh. They’ll also play Florida, Tampa Bay and New Jersey. They had a combined 6-2 record against those teams on the road last season.

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The Cat's picture
Phoenix, Carolina, Atlanta, Florida and Columbus supposedly all in serious trouble.

Xtrahabsfan's picture
The N.H.L. is guilty of over expansion and while trying to promote the game in the U.S.A. removed it from it's fanbase in Canada,just plain STUPID !Now that Bettman's plan has failed he needs to send teams to places like:Winterpeg Manasnowba,Hamilton,Quebec city and Halifax......the time is now!!!!

The Cat's picture
On the upside though, it seems more likely that Winnipeg and Quebec could get their franchises back.

longbow's picture
I'm trying to figure out(guess) what Bob plans on doing at the trade deadline or over the summer and quite honestly there are too many variables.Who to sign or not sign.Who to trade for or trade away.Who might be ready to jump up to the big team or not.Which free agents to go after.Every possible move affects the next move.It's giving me a headache.It's fun thinking about it though.

I agree, playing GM is so much fun!! I think this trade deadline and the off-season that follows will define Mr. Gainey's legacy in Montreal. What he does from here on is crucial to the future and present success of the franchise. He needs to address the issue at centre. We still don't have a true #1 centre and my question is, who can we acquire to fill this void? I love the team and the prospects in the organization but, looking around the east at the centre position is scary. Philly - Carter, Briere, Richards, Pitts - Malkin, Crosby, Staal, Carolina - Staal, Brind'Amour, Boston - Savard, Bergeron, Krecji, and NYR - Drury, Gomez. Now don't get me wrong I love Saku but, he should be settling into a 2 or 3 line role and is also a UFA. Plekanec is at best a 2 line centre and Lang is a one year project who is again a 3 or 4 line centre. Lapierre will become a super 3 or 4 line centre. As far as prospects, White, Maxwell, Chipchura and Lehoux, do not project as #1 centres.

P - Your correct, we do need a #1 center for next year and i think Bob this summer will take a run at Sundin.

showey47's picture
i don't count on us ever landing mats,especially since he is now playing with his fellow country men in the sedin's and ohlund.

l - Your right, and don't think about it. They will tell you later that everything was planned out but that is BS. Take the Pens last year, even though Orpik had a great playoff, he wasn't going to sign with them again cuz of money and Therrien and the Pens didn't want him and look where he ended up with a long term to boot. Dupuis was a rental only and his agent was told that but look where he ended up. Bob has a similar problem and must have his priorities in place but i'm sure he cannot come close to predicting the outcome, in his own mind he may have it planned but one block falling the wrong way gets you back to the decision room and plan B or BB will have to be discussed. I'm cool with that but i shudder when i think that Carbo is involved in those discussions. It's going to be a long nail biting summer for sure, that i will predict.

longbow's picture
I doubt we'll ever see Perezhogin again but it would be nice to get Emelin.Last I heard he was interested in coming over next year.I don't think it's too complicated to figure out what to do on defense over the next few years.We have 4 good ones now and several on the way.The problem is at forward.We have too many left wingers so I don't think we'll keep Tanguay.The big question is do we sign Koivu and Kovalev.If we don't sign Kovalev we can move Andre Kostitsyn to right wing with his brother and D'Agostini.Pacioretty and Latendresse at left.The thing is what to do with Higgins and Plekanec.The four lines each require different types of players.Higgy and Pleks are best suited to the 3rd line.How much are you willing to pay a 3rd line player?I'm starting to think that their greatest value to us is what we can get in return for them.What if we were to acquire a Kovalchuk or Nash(both left wingers).If Latendresse has finally got it then his style is best suited to the 2nd line,not the 3rd or 4th.Maxwell seems ok but he isn't an improvement on Koivu.Might be trade bait.Chipchura a good shut down line centre but what about Lapierre. We probably all agree we could use another big D right now but when you look at what we have and what is coming up in the future our best move short and long term is a big time centre. The way I assess our players is as follows(current and projected) 1st line:LW-A.Kostitsyn....C-?????....RW-Kovalev 2nd line:LW-Pacioretty,Latendresse...C-Koivu,Maxwell...RW-D'Agostini 3rd line:LW-Higgins...C-Plekanec,Lapierre,Chipchura...RW-S.Kostitsyn 4th line in no particular order.Laracque,Stewart. Lang and Tanguay gone.Begin and Kostopoulos?? I really don't think we're going to sign Kovalev. Between New Years and the next training camp interesting things are going to happen.No question about it.

G-Man's picture
I think Koivu will be gone before Kovalev. Lang may not be resigned at the same level, but is a solid veteran presence. Maxwell has just proved he needs more seasoning. Chipchura's groin prevented his call up, but he is on thin ice as far as being a Hab goes. 3 seasons to develop in the minors is long enough, especially for a 3rd or 4th liner. Pac may be ready next season, but it's way too early to think about next season. That's for teams with no playoff prospects. Gilbert 2008/09 is the season of the Habs

longbow's picture
Tanguay produces but business is business.His 5.5 million might be needed elsewhere.With so many left wingers in the system it's better to earmark that money for a 1st line centre.Not signing Lang,Tanguay and Kovalev saves us 15 million.We could acquire Kovalchuk or Nash and possibly Bouwmeester too then at the trade deadline in 2010 trade Hamrlik for a draft pick.You save Hamrlik's 5.5 million and replace him with Carle or McDonagh perhaps.Lots of possibilities.

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G-Man's picture
Thanks for the great links as always, nightmare. Happy Holidays to you and yours. Those guys are great at making up figures, aren't they? Must be the same morons that work for all those financial institutions that require bailouts. Do they think we don't see all the empty seats and 2 for 1 giveaways away south? A 2 per cent increase in revenue? They must be smoking great crack. Gilbert 2008/09 is the season of the Habs

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longbow's picture
People talk about him as a role model.They are right.DON'T be like him.I want to like him because he's such a good hockey player but the whining,diving and cheap shots really ruin it.I remember 2 years ago Markov gave him a light slash on the fore arm.The ref was right beside them at the time and immediately raised his arm to assess a penalty to Markov which was fine.He deserved it.What irritated me about the play was Crosby's reaction.I don't think he knew the ref was there because he put his hand to his face like he had been high sticked to the mouth not realizing that the slash was already being called.He's a faker and a whiner and he should realize that he doesn't help himself.It's counter productive.The refs know all about his little routine and as a consequence they don't call a lot of beating other players inflict on him.He should shut his mouth and stick to playing hockey.

TommyB's picture
Well...I don't like Crosby. At all. And one can only hope that one day, someone will grab him and straighten him out in a one-on-one scrap. Not bloody likely to ever happen, with the officials being quick to jump in and break things up right away, saving face (or saving Crosby's face) for the league's super star.

If you ever watched the Gretzky years...He had all the protection in the world. Today Crosby has to stand up for himself instead having someone else doing his business for him. I hated Gretzky like a passion and I'm not that fond of Crosby either. But these guys are Canadians and when they play for Team Canada its a different story. Go Habs Go!! Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to all readers and especially HIO STAFF. Many Thanks to all.

Thanks for the Updates, Stat_ic Ed.

Ed's picture
Pat Hickey says "The Canadiens have 42 points after 33 games. At the same point last season, they had 37 points. They are on a pace to finish with 104 points, the same total they reached last season when they led the East." _________________________________________________________________________________ I think the Canadiens will finish with over 100 points, and it's interesting to see that it took 37 games to reach the 42 point mark last year. They are 4 games ahead of last year's pace, but I believe they really picked it up last year after a 4-1 loss in Dallas. It's also interesting to do a 3 year comparison after 33 games: 2008-09 - 42 points 2007-08 - 37 points 2006-07 - 45 points http://canadiens.nhl.com/team/app?service=page&page=TeamSeasonComparison The team was doing so well in 2006-07, but then in January that infamous flu bug hit. The PP has done well in the last 3 games, and let's hope it stays this way. In the 2nd game of the season, the Habs went 3 for 6 on the PP in a 6-1 win over the leafs, and we all said who needs Mark Streit. The PP sure dropped off after the early season success. Who knows. Maybe it's back to stay.

Wamsley01's picture
This team is much better than 2007. This team is struggling and is matching the previous season's point totals. Much room for improvement. Plus, when they get Kovalchuk they will be even better :) Join the Fantasy Sense Revolution @ http://fantasysensehockey.blogspot.com/

Talk about the Habs Players being lazy. The Habs Fans don't fair any better. Price has fallen behind MC Flury now..... Come guys & gals please cast your votes......

longbow's picture
We have to vote Price into the game people.It should be Price,Tim Thomas and Mike Smith.Fleury has no business being there.His record,G.A.A. and save pct are all at the bottom of the Eastern Conference.And what's with Whitney and Gonchar nipping at Markov and Komi's heels.Those 3 Penguins aren't even eligible.Vote vote vote.I can deal with Crosby and Malkin being voted to the starting lineup.They deserve it,but not those other 3.

habsfor25's picture
mike smith? is that a joke

RetroMikey's picture
"We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets"

RiverviewCanadien's picture
...and Halak to play 6 games straight and make incredible saves when Carey is sick and has a lower body injury :P I like Price, don't get me wrong, but Jaro was impressive most nights on playing 6 in a row. Carey looked a little out of place the other night and I think he should have only come back and played against PIT. At least then the pressure is better and when you are scored on, it is not by a bottom-dwelling team.

JIMVINNY's picture
Impressive? i was impressed that more of his generous rebounds didn't end up behind him, but that's all. He was adequate, but I can't agree with impressive at all. Not that Price fared much better in his return, but that's another issue altogether.

Habsrule1's picture
I actually can compare Price's game to all of Halak's. Both played well, but neither looked totally convincing. Both allowed rebounds, but both made some really good saves. All that being said, it was normal for Halak not to be "impressive" cause he hasn't really had the chance to play enough to get him rolling, but he did not look out of place, per se. By the same token, it was normal for Price to look a little rusty. Both goalies are very good, all things being equal...but Price is a bit better as far as we can tell right now. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

With due respect Habsrule1, Price is head & heels better than Halak. Just look at what Price has acomplished so far in his Career. Gainey will trade Halak on or before March 04/09. I hope he continues to play well so we can get someone in return. There must be some team that's in need of a Goalie for the playoffs.

Wamsley01's picture
Price is 28-9-5 since his recall from Hamilton Halak is 7-6-2 since his recall Just a little more than a bit better. More indepth look here: http://fantasysensehockey.blogspot.com/2008/12/tonights-starting-goalies...

Habsrule1's picture
The stats that actually matter SV% and GAA are virtually identical. As I said, I think Price is better, but goalies get better when they play consistently, and besides this last stretch of 6 games, that has not exactly been the case for Halak. Halak will probably be a very good goalie in the NHL. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

Again, with due respect, it is not all about SV% and GAA. There are many more factors to look at. Like playing great teams & weak teams, games per week, home & road games etc.

Habsrule1's picture
LOL....how many times do I have to say I think Price is better? That doesn't mean Halak is no good. He hasn'r been given the same chance as Price, and although I think Price will have a better carreer, I can see Halak having a pretty good one. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

the 1 thing that bothers me about Kovalev, is all the selfish penalties he takes, and at the most crucial time of the game. In the game against Buffalo, he was forced to score the game winner, because he was the reason the team was behind! This team is extremely inconsistent, and the fact remains, we have given away too many points, to teams below 500. It come back to haunt the habs if we miss the playoffs by 2-3 points. But honestly, unless Gainey makes some significant moves by the trade deadline, this team will be toast, come playoff time. Not to be negative, but realistic. here's what happens: the team plays well for a couple of games, and everyone thinks the team is turned around, and then they revert to their bad ways, just like the loss to Carolina. So, the motto is:" don't get too high on a win, and not to get too low on a loss. This team is an average team, not great, but not as bad as NYI. I don't think anyone will be happy with just squezzing into the playoffs. that's what happens every year(minus last year's fluke) and go out in the 1st round. Do we want a repeat performance? NO!

Habsrule1's picture
As I have noted before, with an average PP, we're about 6-8 points better than we are at the moment. That is the one glaring hole in our game. If we can fix that, we are among the best teams in the league. None of the other short-comings will matter if the PP gets going. Every team has defficiencies, but if the PP gets going, and we continue the strong 5 on 5 play, we will be very difficult to beat WHEN we make the playoffs. If the PP does not improve, we'll squeeze in and still be tough to beat because the PP is far less important in the playoffs. I believe! Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

Bugs's picture
The one thing I love about Kovy is that he is, by FAR, the best offensive player on our team since Richer and the most exciting since Lafleur. The other thing I like about Kovy is that no matter how tough the new lions roar at the Old Russian Alpha, all he has to do is bare his claws and they all go hiding under the bed. When The Artiste decides to shut people up, he shuts'em up GOOD. The man has Presence. PRESENCE! And he LOVES it here. Because we're much more hockey-mad and icon-building than 8 million New Yorkers. Which is what I told The Artiste when I met him in Manhattan, summer of 2005, swear to gosh. "Come back to Mtl, Kovy." I said "We love you. We need you. We WANT you. Only in Montreal will you find what you've been looking for, Kovy. Come back to us, Kovy; you won't regret it. In Montreal, you WILL be Zod." What did he say? "Oh, vell, like I said, ve're ztill vorking tings out. Hopevully, like I said, ve can komm to an agreement. Tank you, like I said, very much, doe." But his eyes told a different story. His eyes were fulla Bugs. Swear to gosh, it's true. Bugs gave'im the Jedi Mind Trick! And now, we kneel before the Power of Zod. (Kovy is Zod in this scenario) Peace Out ______________________________________________________ Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

RiverviewCanadien's picture
The team has been inconsistent due to a number of factors; a team plagued by injuries early on, still have injuries, there are couple of new faces in the lineup, some players just not breaking out yet (yet is the key word, which they will) there are lots of factors on being inconsistent, but I still feel the team is getting it together and they are sticking to the game plan...Koivu is still a big factor to this team, without him on the ice, the team struggles because he plays with alot of energy and produces. Admit it or not, the last games vs CAR have been decided by the refs and should have ended with a win for the HABS (as soon as the puck reaches Ward outcomes the whistle, the delayed penalty goal the other night, as if he had control...and did anyone watch the Crosby OT winner last night, a little high wouldn't you say?). If there is a trade coming, I have full confidence in what happens. The guys in the office are smart, know the game, and know how to produce a winning team. Kovalev now...I am a huge fan and since he starting wearing the "C", things have been looking really good for this team. I believe they listen to him and respect what he does night after night. He has been great this year and is now tied for the lead in points. It's nice to have him back. The team is better than last year, they are in great shape, and I can't wait to see the games coming up. GO HABS GO!!!

likehoy's picture
your analysis on kovalev reminds me of what people said about saku koivu last year...oh well... i'd like to finish 4th or 5th in the conference...that way we don't have a target on our backs...and we're forced to take every single game seriously as make or breaks of our season. finishing 4th or 5th will mentally prepare our team for the playoffs. at times it's often easier to play as the underdog than as the favourite...and especially when the underdog has 21173 fans ready to back them at every moment. sure the fans boo during the regular season...but the playoffs is a whole new beast.

Bugs's picture
Don't know if y'all saw this already, but an excellent report card on our man Streit on the Island. Sure miss that cat... http://thehockeynews.com/articles/21010-Top-Shelf-Streit-going-straight-... Peace Out ______________________________________________________ Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

Ian G Cobb's picture
Hang in there, I also have been disappointed with some of there performances this year. But you and I know that we have the very best GM in place, and we are not privy to what is in his and Gillette's mind. They want a cup just as much as we do. More importantly, they have the health of the franchise long term to build. The season starts after the new year, the game gets faster and the players start to focus more on the job at hand. So yes call a spade a spade, but don't forget, as i do sometimes, we are the greatest sport franchise in the world, and were on the mend, after years of neglect. Let alone that we are the best hockey fans on the planet.!

doug's picture
Ian - I was right with you until the last sentence! I think we're impatient, moody fans that make it harder for the team to win instead of the opposite. That's just my view. . . I love the team but we fans are a double-edged sword (although the ones at the Bell Centre seem much more supportive than we are on here!) Happy holidays to you and yours. . . Doug

Amen, Doug. Habs fans sure love their team, win or tie. Some days the negativity on this site, particularly towards Carbonneau and Gainey, make me scratch my head, bald from all the hair the posters make me tear out. In a comment about Sergei last week, someone said something to the effect that with negative fans like us it's no wonder we can't attract top free agents.

doug's picture
Best line of the above: "A dispassionate look at the team’s standing indicates Carbonneau might have the best handle on where his team is and where it’s headed." Second best: "But Carbonneau also said he recognizes that fans and media have different expectations. Carbo has driven me nuts at times, especially two years ago when I never thought he'd figure out how to handle people. He continues to have an annoying habit of randomly cycling lines when the team goes into a funk, rather than displaying either patience or logic: no one benefits when you're PP stinks so you send out your fourth line when down by one. HOWEVER, this has been Carbonneau's best year to date in terms of his coaching. He's more or less resisted the urge to pick favorites. I'd prefer he hadn't called out SKots but the kid has turned it around and I don't pretend to know what was discussed behind closed doors. And notwithstanding the incredible challenges and poor performance by the PP, it's turned it around in the last three games and could be a huge difference maker in the second half. I like where we sit, and feel we'll safely make it into the playoffs with a 6th, 7th, or 8th seed; better if we get consistent, although highest ranking appears to be 4th unless the Bruins come back down to earth. We've had zero consistency but are in good position already and have played our best hockey over the last few weeks. The things that might make me stay up at night surround: 1. Finding another defenseman 2. Signing Komisarek before its too late 3. Figuring out which players have trade value and should be sent off before being lost as UFAs (Higgins, Pleks) We still have a ton of reasons to be excited about the future but Gainey needs to make some decisions sooner rather than later what with a shrinking cap. . . I think Higgins became dispensable because of D'Agostini, and Pleks has been disappointing although still better than Higgins in my view. I'm still a Kovalev apologist - only thing wrong is a return to his one-man-band approach: needs to pass more and get off the ice earlier. Koivu is still solid and will show up come crunch time so is a keeper. My thoughts for 2009-10? a. Send Higgins in a package with Latendresse if anything of value comes in. If you can add something and get Kovalchuk it's a no-brainer: just prefer picks to Max Pac or McDonagh, who will both be impact players and fill necessary voids. We don't get free agents so we need to make a Kovalev like move and should put together the package that takes without mortgaging our future. b. Let Tanguay go: the experiment has failed. Will put up points by end of season but just an older version of what we can probably develop, and too one-dimensional - SKots and Akots will both be as good in a year or two with more of a physical game. c. Let Lang go - good player but not going to get us over the top and old. d. Sign Kovalev and Koivu if feasible and affordable e. Sign Komi now If we end up with the following next year/post-trade deadline we'd be awesome: Centers: Koivu, Pleks, Lapierre, Chipchura Forwards: Kovalchuk, D'Agostini, SKots, Akots, Kovalev, Begin, Kostopoulos, Laraque, +/- Pax Defense: Markov, Komisarek, Hamrlik, Gorges, ?Weber, ?Stable vet Yes center is stil suboptimal, but can probably do the annual find a third-line center thing. Off the top of my head so I know I'm missing someone.

Big Bird's picture
(a) I'm reluctant to deal Higgins and Latendresse as I believe they are both young and promising but if it means a player like Kovalchuk fine but you are going to have to give up at least Pacioretty and/or McDonough as well. (b) Tanguay experiment has failed? He's one of the leaders on the team in terms of points. Not sure I follow you there and what would we expect to get from a guy about to be a UFA? (c) He's one of our leading point getters and top goal scorer. Not to mention another person who is about to be a UFA? Again, what would we expect to get for him if we dealt him and who would you replace him with? (d) I'd sign Koivu but wait on Kovalev to see how he performs over the full course of the season. I'm not convinced he's a consistent player based on past seasons with us. (e) No debate on that point. All the best over the holidays to you and yours Doug.

G-Man's picture
1. D is all right. Other 29 GMs do NOT want Montreal to win, hence no trade. 2. Need to know next season's cap before doing anything. 3. UFAs who have had a good pre contract season never sighn before testing the free agent waters. Your a,b,and c don't make any sense. 33 games to evaluate veteran presence and chemistry is not long enough nor fair. Both Lang and Tanguay have played in other systems for more than a decade and they should be leading the team? Chips ain't ready or he would be up with big club. This team is better than you think. Gilbert 2008/09 is the season of the Habs

I will be nice that was a stupid comment! I hope the other 29gms dont want them to win as I think the 29 gms dont want the Bruins to win...

Liked your post, G-Man. The fans on this site were screaming for Sundin, yet he's pretty much the same age as Lang. Age isn't important as long as the player has a contribution to make. Frankly, I like the look of Lang as a Hab this year, especially lately. Do we want him longer? I guess that depends upon what other players are available, what stage the Bulldog kids are at and the state of the salary cap, amongst other things. These are things Gainey gets paid to keep an eye on and I submit he knows more than us armchair GMs. I also smiled at your comment "Both Lang and Tanguay have played in other systems for more than a decade and they should be leading the team?". A quick check of the stats shows Tang at #2 and Lang at #4 in points and Lang at#1 and Tang at #2 in goals. No one on the team is overachieving this year, so to single out these two, who are obviously currently leaders, is just unfair.

Number31's picture
All I want to hear is Kovy, Koivu, and Komisaurus got their contract extensions! DO IT! :(

HugeHabsFan's picture
I'm with you there! ........... "To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Be yours to hold it high." I STILL BELIEVE. I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE.

all I want for xmas is to get rid of Kovalev , PLEASE!

secretdragonfly's picture
All the best to my fellow posters and the amazing group of hard-working folks at The Gazette and Habs Inside/Out who provide us with everything we could possibly want to know about our beloved Habs - 2009 will be our year, especially with our future in the more than capable hands of Bob, Guy and Trevor. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=260582&lid=sublink07&lpos=headlines_nhl

brad.men5's picture
Correct if I'm wrong, because I could very well be, but didn't Pavel Valentenko go to Russia? _______________________________________________________ Check out my blog: http://canadienscentral.blogspot.com/ Leave a comment, give me feedback. Go Habs Go.

secretdragonfly's picture
I will defer to the resident experts but I believe since he was still under contract when he "defected" and there is currently no transfer agreement in place with the KHL, the Canadiens still retain their rights to him should he return to North America.

SmartDog's picture
Amen. ~ Listen to the smart dog - he knows his poop!

Bugs's picture
In other words, if I may be allowed to paraphrase: Don't worry, baby. And with your kind permission, if I may be allowed to sing again: my rendition of the tune accompanied by the Holy Beach Boy Choir, Well its been building up inside of me for oh I dont know how long. I dont know why but I keep thinking "Somethings bound to go wrong". But Guy looks in my eyes and makes me realize And he says "Don't worry baby, don't worry baby, don't worry baby Everything will turn out alright." I guess I shouldve kept my mouth shut when I started to brag about my team But I can't back down now; I pushed our enemies to the seam. They sure know how to play but we'll destroy them anyway. So I say "Don't worry baby, don't worry baby, don't worry baby Everything will turn out alright." Heard Bob told Kovy, "When you play today, just take along my heart with you And if you know how much I loved you, Kovy, nothing could go wrong with you." Oh, what Ivan does to me when he scores goals for me And he says "Don't worry baby, don't worry baby, don't worry baby Everything will turn out alright." Don't worry, baby; don't worry, baaaaby... And so on and so forth. Peace Out ______________________________________________________ Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

"Heard Bob told Kovy, 'When you play today, just take along my heart with you' " LOL Enjoyed your song!

SmartDog's picture
I'll start to believe this if we beat the Pens next game. I do think the team is starting to come together, but you can say we're only x points behind last year, and if not for this or that or the other, we'd be ahead of last year... but all those things are what make winners and losers - and when we lose, we lost. No 'if's or 'buts'. And we lose too many games we 'should' win, whether because we outply the team but it doens't show on the scoreboard, or because we seem unprepared, tactically out-managed, or just out-hustled by teams low in the standings. No doubt we have a good team, but whether we have a strong team, one with the discipline to prepare for every game and the will to take on all comers, I can't say that. ~ Listen to the smart dog - he knows his poop!

Habsrule1's picture
I agree with you, but the main difference is the PP. Put us just middle of the pack, and we'd probably have 3 or 4 more wins than we do now. That's just one aspect of the game we really need to improve to change alot. That would put us 11-13 points above last year! Granted, there are other aspects that could get better also, but that's the main one. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

The Cat's picture
Well Carbonneau is easier to please than I am I guess. Seems to me the team has too many 'tell-tale' bad habits. Also a negative record against teams holding playoff spots, a negative record of one goal wins/losses in regulation. Inbetween games 20 and 40 is pretty much when you can see who will make a run for the cup. Teams that turn it on late in the year dont make cup runs. The time to start playing your heart out is now.

I sort of agree. I think there is a bit of rose colored vision there, but that is also his marketing job. I think they have to be able to play against good teams, capable of taking four out of six games, or at worst four out of seven, when everyone gets down to work. I don't get that feeling. Against the Bruins and Flyers I get an oh-oh feeling. Against some of those teams in the West....

Habsrule1's picture
Teams had better starts than us last year and did not go far, while every team in the conference finished behind us in the regular season and a couple went further in the playoffs. What is important is how we finish, and what is working when we get to the playoffs. I think recently we have showed some team toughness, and some very decent defense for the most part. Our 5 on 5 is working, and that is a big factor in the playoffs too. Too early to really know where we are heading, but it looks to be in the right direction. we'll know more in a couple months. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

brad.men5's picture
I did my homework last night and dug up some old information. It's just some food for thought. Some interesting stuff that I found though. http://canadienscentral.blogspot.com/2008/12/just-food-for-thought.html Anyway, in regards to this, I'm actually surprised that we're doing as well as did last year, if not better. However, we didn't have expectations last year, nor Tanguay, Lang and Laraque. Kovy is steadily putting points up, and has for the entire season. I was his worst critic and for that, I feel real bad. He isn't scoring as much simply because our powerplay isn't working. I think he had something like 17 goals on PP last season?

Bill H's picture
Thanks Dave and Pat for writing and posting the good news. I think Carbo is right. The team is doing well. Its a long season. In the end, it doesn't matter who is on a tear in December. Performance in April, May and June is what counts. We are a better club than last year. We just need some fine tuning to go deep in the playoffs.

Bugs's picture
I totally agree with Guy on this. Actually, if truth be told, I'd say that Guy agrees with ME on the matter. That's IF I were the braggin' type. Which I ain't. So I won't say it. A lot of folks think (me included, which makes those "folks" ACES in my book) that it's the RESULT that counts and not how you get there. If we were told at the beginning of the year that we would have 3 points more than what we had at the same time last year, I think we'd be pretty happy. We just gotta keep our composure down the stretch and rack up the wins, even if they ARE ugly and inconclusive. So what? The points still count. Let's keep our composure like The Artiste, biding our time and strategizing our machiavellian plans that we'll execute once we get into the playoffs. Ok?! Not freak out! Just keep it together and hold on to our composure! We can DO this! Ok?! Relax! We've come to far to back down! Don't give in to wild panic!!! Gotta keep our composure!!! Peace Out ______________________________________________________ Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

Stats are funny. Kovalev is doing fine, but fans and some sports pros are on his case. I think Keenan said it a couple weeks ago, Alex is not playing badly. I think the oddest stat is that a kid can come up from the Bulldogs as an injury replacement and carve himself a niche in short order. Stats are funny for what they say, and for what they don't say. Me, I have this impression in my skull that even strength opposing players can get into the box in front of the goalies, and into the crease backing the goalies up by a foot or two, and changing the angles. There isn't a stat for that, only playoff results.

I don't think any fans who watch the games are on him to much anymore...he did however have a stretch of about 8 or 10 games where he was terrible. He arppeared to not be trying..that is what got people ticked off..nothing to do with the lack of production ..there was an obvious lack of effort and it trickled down to the rest of the team. Everything is fine again and I think people have got off his case for the most part.

Do you think he plays better when Koivu is out? When he has to be the leader?

bigjames's picture
what is the relationship like between 11 and 27? i mean are tey like buddies or are they a bit cold towards eachother. as for kovy, he has been really physical in the last 5 or so games and i think that makes the difference. he does care.

I wasn't thinking about relationships. I was more thinking about Alex Kovalev's play, or completion of plays when the younger players look to him to set the pace.

bigjames's picture
i know. it is a good point. however, i was wondering how things will be when koivu comes back. in otherwords, is there a risk of tension between 11 and 27 or are they all good.

Number31's picture
I remember the "fist pump" between Koivu and Kovy when they created total chaos on a line together a few times :) I don't think there's any tension between the two. When they're on the same line, Koivu clears the space for Kovy to work (or Kovy plays decoy while the other two get the space), when they're separated, they each lead their lines well.

bigjames's picture
glad to hear it. tks for that!

The Cat's picture
It sure seems like it.

Habsrule1's picture
omg, are we still going to get to read all the negativity after such a column? Everyone was so worried that the Habs were counting too much on the PP last year, and they were right. When the PP dried up in the playoffs, so did the Habs. This year, we can play 5 on 5 with the best of them. If the PP continues rolling a little, that'll be a nice bonus. I think, so far, we look like a team built a little more for the playoffs! I believe! Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy Habsrule

xaverian001's picture
I agree. The Habs are struggling a bit, but they are still good enough to make the playoffs while not even playing their best. Who really cares if they win the Eastern Conference? It would be nice, but it also raises the expectations for the playoffs and we all know how that worked for us last year. Getting into the playoffs under the radar with home ice in the first round should be the goal. Then let the Carey Price show begin!!! Go Habs Go!!!! Merry Christmas everyone!!!!

Looking at the above stats, we are in great shape then. No Worries Mates. I don't think that Pits will loose another game like that 7-3 beating by the Leafs. But The Habs will beat them though.

Which Pens goalie faced the Habs last time?

I can't remember............

chuckles3's picture
If the Leafs can beat the Pens 7-3, I would hope this Saturday should be a cakewalk :-)

Good point. After it was announced I think they tried harder. Usually this time of year is somewhat blah.

Exit716's picture
Maybe Carbo knows his team better than fans? They're adults. He's treating them as such. They'll practice on Boxing Day. What is making them skate and deal with the media two days before Christmas going to accomplish other than annoy the players?

Puck Bard's picture
Agreed Showey... remember what the Roadrunner said about first place... Habs focused too much on that last year and paid the price.

showey47's picture
quite honestly i don't want first in the conference,history proves it has been nothing but a curse.The bruins can have it then lose in the first round to the #8 seed like they do every other time.

HabsFan2's picture
Exactly! Where were the Habs when they last won the cup? They finished sixth, I believe. First place is overrated, at least in the Eastern conference. ---------------------------------------------- I have come home." - Patrick Roy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zDMKoK1CSg&NR=1

I would like them to finish first. To do that they would likely have to beat in regulation some very good teams, not just get one extra point. That would mean that they played a consistently high level of hockey, played whole games, and enjoyed kicking some sweaters. I worry about the Bruins. They are pretty good. I have a sinking feeling that the 1-8 matchup could be a repeat of last year, only reversed.

RetroMikey's picture
Happy Holidays showey 47. We may differ buddy but at least we are Habs fans thick and thin! "We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets"

RetroMikey's picture
All I want for Christmas Santa is an offensively skilled CMan and a big physical DMan and I wish Santa that they were to practice, practice, practice before Christmas and not have a 4 day holiday! "We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets"

Sounds OK, but I thought the powerplay had climbed to 25th after the last few games. Also I don't understand why Carbo is holding no practice this week. Just about every other team is playing. I'm afraid that when we face Pittsburgh on Saturday, we'll be slow and lazy. It happened both times earlier this season when we had long stretches between games. The more so after over-eating and drinking for Christmas!