Audio: Latendresse out 4-6 weeks
posted by Pat Hickey at 14h00 EST on Feb 4
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Submitted by Thomas Le Fan on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 17:54.
The good news is we're getting a look at the Bulldogs and seeing who is going to help and who isn't. For all those who have been attacking young Latendresse, we shall now see if we're better or worse without him. However, if Kovalev doesn't start to put up a point a game for the rest of the year, what difference will it make?

Submitted by edgar_falcon on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 16:17.
is it just me or is both lats and his brother out with a shoulder injury and around the same time?? because they are saying that lats was hurt during a game for hamilton on jan 23rd...

Submitted by Fire_Laraque on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 16:24.
I know I am going to get RIPPED for that but I have to ask.
People saying Kovalev played an AMAZING game yesterday, on what do you base this? The amount of shots he got? His hits?
The reason I am asking the question is this; I didn't find him particularly good yesterday. Yes, he was skating more, hitting more and shooting more. But it wasn't difficult to play a little better then he had in the last few games.
But tell me this, aside from the Kostitsyn goal where his pass was marvelous, how many other passes did he make?
He again, hawged the puck, didn't pass it, trying to do everything alone until he decided passing was a good option.
He needs to use his linemates a little more then he his right now. Or else, what's the use having teammates?
"Why didn't Laraque score 50 goals this year?"

Submitted by edgar_falcon on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 16:19.
i have to say this... kovy was AWESOME (campaired to the other day) that should be what people should say

Submitted by shuttle-lemaire... on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:35.
I don't like seeing any of our guys go down with injuries but I don't think we will miss Latalentless at all. I really thought they brought him up to soon and he would have been better off developing in the minors for a few years. Tell me what he brings to this team that a guy like Stewart could'nt. I'm sorry,but Gui is NOT an NHL calibre player ...PERIOD !! Lang on the other hand will be harder to replace but we do have depth on the farm to bring another young gun in and I think Stewart should be that guy.

Submitted by Bryan on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 09:32.
So you have to score more than 16 goals in back to back seasons to be an NHL calibre player? He had the most goals per icetime of anyone on the team last year.
Get over your anti-Gui! bias and realize that he is a good player. He's a little rough around the edges, but he's young, and has shown some great potential. Not to mention that he was a key part of our team's most consistent line during the last month.
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Submitted by Lee Hayes on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:36.
I have to weigh in on the "no big loss" current that appears to be streaming through this thread. The most obvious intangible(other than size, both these men are huge, on a team that needs size to compliment it's speed)that both Lang and Lats bring to the rink this season is passion, I see it in Lat's almost crazed need to get to every puck, and on Langs face as he sits on the bench chewing the last shift over in his head as he waits for the next opportunity to get back out on the ice. Lang is not the fastest guy out there, granted, and you're not going to see him use his huge frame to smash opponents along the boards, or in open ice...but the man thinks the game better than just about anybody else on the team. Just look at the way he finds the right place to be so often on the powerplay. And as some one fortunate enough to have watched every minute of this season(gotta love PVR's), I truly believe that Gui has taken his game to the next level, sure there's more levels to be attained, but he is beginning to ressemble that power forward that we all wished for when drafted him. So I say, yeah we should be allright without them(thanks to the depth in our organization), but the loss will be felt, both on the ice, and in the dressing room.
Thanks for listening.
Go Habs Go

Submitted by Habstilidie on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:40.
Great post Lee, exactly how I feel. BG has been working hard at this for 5 years now. The loss of these long term injuries will obviously hurt us, but we have the youth and depth to overcome. This is a time where the players true hearts come out to play, we got a taste of that last night.

Submitted by wd40 on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:37.
wow. you do realize you've hit your monthly maximum of 1 lucid, well-thought out post? :)

Submitted by Lee Hayes on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:40.
Yup, which means I still have a half dozen or so knee jerk personal attacks before I reach my quota...:)
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Submitted by Chris on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:21.
I love how everybody focusses so heavily on speed. Here's a question I would love to see answered in a practice video: who wins a straightforward drag race between Alex Kovalev and Guillaume Latendresse from goal line to goal line? Because Alex Kovalev has definitely seen his speed decline over the past couple of seasons.
Speed is not everything...its a HUGE component to NHL hockey, but when Guillaume Latendresse, with that huge frame of his, stands in front of the net and screens goalies or works the boards, he is a very useful NHL player.

Submitted by AlexKovalevAK27 on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:31.
You mean when he stands to the side of the net and screens the post? or when he goes for a hit but runs into the boards instead?
I wasn't comparing Lahopless and Kovy, so why are you making that comparison? I said nothing about Kovy vs lats.
I've never liked him nor will I ever. French media ruined Lahopeless it's a simple as that. He could have been a good power forward had he been given the time to develop in the minors... but nooooooooo the french media had to make a big deal about him and how he's the future of this organization... Give me a break..
Here's a Power Forward polling question, if you had to choose one of them who would it be (now you can say I'm comparing)..... Max Paciorety or Latendresse?

Submitted by Garbo on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 08:51.
I agree, the only reason Latendresse is in the NHL is because of his name. Had he been english, or european, he'd still be skating in the minors.
Submitted by nightmare_49 on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 08:25.
AK27 - I agree with most of your points except the comparison with Max Pac. Max is very young and you got to give him time to develop (sound familiar) and seriously is not the same type of player that Lats is. Finally Lats started playing good with Maxim and TK with working hard, hitting and going to the net but he read his press clippings and went back to trying to be a finesse player (Guy Lafleur), going to soft spots, hitting just for show and hogging the puck in other words it's all about Gui (ask Gorges). Max and TK were on different lines and didn't miss the later Lats a bit and the team will get a lift in skill and hard work with him out. The amazing thing is that Lats thought he was playing great when the injury happened (last 10 games 2G - 0A minus-4 - 15:54mins,/game), imagine if he was playing bad. I'd be the first to praise him if he played with jam and got himself dirty and be an asset to the team as that is the only way he could be of value to the team (he's been screned for about 200 games, don't they get it).

Submitted by Chris on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:58.
I didn't refer to any of your comments, so why are you treating my comment solely as an attack on your point of view?
But to answer the question about why I make the comparison, it is to illustrate the point: speed is not everything. Kovalev is not nearly as fast as Plekanec and Kostitsyn, but he has tons of other talents that can make him a second-team NHL all star.
Latendresse is not as fast as Kostopoulos or Lapierre, but he does little things that they do not.
My point is that a VERY young Latendresse is very effective WHEN he does the things that I mentioned (I chose the word carefully), and if he learns to do it consistently then he will be that much better...he still has a good ceiling in terms of his development.
But your explanation for why you dislike him is puzzling to me: because of the French media's hype. So it is the player's fault when people expect more than they should of him? Higgins, Plekanec, Latendresse, Brisebois all suffer from this...instead of focussing on what they bring, we focus on the things they aren't bringing that we think they should. Hell, we can easily throw Kovalev (why isn't he scoring 40-50 goals per year?), Markov (why can't he be more physical?) and Komisarek (why can't he do anything offensively?) under the over-expectation bus if we truly work at it.
To answer your question, I believe that Max Pacioretty will ultimately be the better player. As a first round draft pick, I would expect nothing less, I might add. But its not an either/or scenario. I would very happily have both guys on my team.

Submitted by The Teacher on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 16:19.
Great response.

Submitted by Habsrule1 on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:38.
Sorry, man. Numbers don't lie. Latendresse had the most goals per minute of ice time on the whole team last year....at 20 years old! He'll only get better as he matures. I'm quite sure you are wrong about him, but time will tell.
Go Habs Go!!
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Submitted by Fire_Laraque on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:33.
Wow, nothing to say, you DO know your hockey. No question about it.
"Why didn't Laraque score 50 goals this year?"

Submitted by AlexKovalevAK27 on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 14:42.
Sorry guys but he's not a big loss... We definitely didn't miss him yesterday.
He should have spent a couple more years in Hamilton to develop, he got rushed into the NHL.
Now if the team takes off where will he fit when he's healthy?
The guy has cement in his skates. He's improved from last yr but man is he still slow.

Submitted by MikeL on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 14:18.
To be honest, I really don't think the loss of Gui! and Lang will hurt us. In fact, I'm bold enough to say that we are a better team without them. My reasoning is - we are a speed team, and in order to maximize our effectiveness, we must have speed all the time. With the lineup the way it is now, no one is "waiting" for Gui! or Lang. Everyone is full tilt, all the time.
Watching last night reminded me of last year's team. Maybe Pittsburgh was just plain bad, but I think it was more of us being good. I really like the "new" speedy Habs.

Submitted by HAB-PROFESSOR on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:08.
your right on MIKEL....we are an awesome team now based on SPEED.
Lang going down just promoted LAPS...begin is fine with the 4th gangster line that only plays 4-5 minutes / game.

Submitted by 24 Cups on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:03.
Mike - you honestly think we are a better team with Begin and/or Chipchura at centre instead of Lang? Not to mention that he's one of the few guys on the team that can seem to get some of our slackers into go mode? Lang, as a player, isn't a huge loss on another team but he certainly is on this one. He was our once in a lifetime cap space rental and now he's gone.
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Submitted by MikeL on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:21.
Yep, I honestly do. I know it seems radical, but I truly believe it.
I think we are better as a "team" without Lang. Everyone meshes much better now. Sure, Lang was good as an individual player, but since the summer day which Bob traded for him until now, I never liked the fit. He's big, but soft. He's one of those players that racks up points, but seems invisible unless he scores. Tanguay is a similar type player.
Submitted by krisssssssss on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 14:17.
Off topic but I think I'm going to print off all the kill,trade,maim Kovy comments after the Boston game so that I can reference them if/when he has a comeback.I'm not saying he will ...but in case he does I'd like to remind all those who blogged poorly of him including Mr.Boone. More of a joke than realty I just think we are soooo fickle as fans...look now were saying"no great loss..Lats aint nothing anyway"
Every player on a team has his value to that team whether it be to pot 40 goals or to be a friend when his team mate needs him....win as a team lose as a team

Submitted by Chuck on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 13:24.
Get well soon, Lats! Hope to see you back in the lineup ASAP.
Submitted by skoehn on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 13:13.
no big loss this is the player who can be replaced easily during injury...

Submitted by Chester on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 13:48.
By who ??

Submitted by shuttle-lemaire... on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:23.
Sheesh Chester ...I am 53yrs old and could replace that bum...heh heh !!

Submitted by Fire_Laraque on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:35.
Another one who knows hockey.... WOW.
"Why didn't Laraque score 50 goals this year?"
Submitted by sam on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 14:08.
...is Brisebois faster than Lats?

Submitted by Habsrule1 on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 13:22.
Anything good to say? Could you direct me to your positive post please?
Go Habs Go!!
"I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy

Submitted by mjames on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 13:28.
I many not agree with everything you say but your positive outlook is refreshing, constructive and appreciated.
mjames

Submitted by Habsrule1 on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 13:38.
Thanks mjames. I try to not be too over the top optimistic, but I have seen so much progression since the late 90's, it makes it hard for me to critisize every little thing when I look at the big picture!
Cheers!
Go Habs Go!!
"I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy

Submitted by fun police on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 12:56.
lats has been playing better, but is nowhere near as good as maxpac and sk74 are with laps.

Submitted by Fire_Laraque on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 15:36.
I have to agree with you there. I knew from the start that this line would be AMAZING!
"Why didn't Laraque score 50 goals this year?"
Submitted by McManager on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 12:48.
I hope he comes back hungrier than ever. (And maybe a "Rookie of the Year"-type freak recovery will grant him a 110 mph shot.)

Submitted by Natrous on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 13:38.
LOL

Submitted by Harani on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 12:47.
I'm liking MaxPac more with Laps. The size, the skill, the SPEED!
Submitted by sam on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 14:07.
what is this speed thing you are referring to? for a left-winger?
do you mean that Laps and Tom don't have to skate and/or avoid their linemate now? that is just ludicrous, sir. no one will believe you. Guillaume Latendresse was the 3rd (or 5th) fastest skater during training camp. his mom told us so. the evidence is obvious.

Submitted by Habsrule1 on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 12:45.
He's been playing very well, and he's just 21!
Get well soon, Gui.
Go Habs Go!!
"I can't hear what Jeremy(Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy

Submitted by Garbo on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 12:40.
Oh well, at least any call up can fill his place smacking in all those garbage goals.

Submitted by Bryan on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 12:39.
That's too bad. He was showing a lot of chemistry with Lapierre. Hopefully those two can rekindle what they were doing in the next few seasons!
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Submitted by smiler2729 on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 12:39.
Latendresse, for all his so-called faults (everyone loves whipping this guy), will be missed. I like his enthusiasm and when he does click, he's someone that is easy to root for.
He and Robert Lang out for long periods of time is a huge blow.
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