Price gets start against Stars
posted by Kevin Mio at 13h00 EST on Mar 8
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Submitted by Renegade on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 18:49.
Good for Stewart! Montreal needs more toughness like that.
Submitted by habbynessisyell... on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 18:25.
habs off to another great start. down 1-0. outshot 7-0. what a friggen joke. if gainey doesn't see a problem he needs to step down!!!!!!!!
Submitted by Clay4bc on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 18:08.
This is just dumb... :(
Fire Carbo NOW!
Submitted by habs12345 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 20:51.
only if they fire you from this site
Submitted by ifitwasnt4kovalev on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:55.
"We feel we have good depth at each of the positions - in goal, on defence and with our forwards," Gainey said a few days ago on trade deadline...
less than a week later....we are officially 8th and 2 points out.....
Submitted by habbynessisyell... on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:54.
gut check time. we'll see what the habs are made of now. the race is tight and the habs will have to play their best hockey of the season. no exceptions!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by dspec on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:29.
That ain't right. Halak did NOTHING to deserve such disrespect from Carbonneau. No doubt in my mind Halak should be starting tonight.
Submitted by zozotheclown on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:11.
Go Caps! 3-3
Submitted by zamboni on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:06.
Fearless prediction:
If Price plays well tonight, next time Halak plays, he craps out.
Great strategy by Carbo to ruin Halak's confidence.
Submitted by The Cat on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:21.
Well we dont know if Halak is ready to play yet. He may be healthy, but he could be still sluggish. I dont see anything that wrong with Price starting, lets be honest whoever starts this one tonight is probably getting sent to the wolves.
Submitted by The Teacher on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:12.
Then I don't want him.
He should want to prove Carbo wrong. Isn't that what we want a player's mindset to be?
how IS HIS CONFIDENCE RUINED?
He still played 4 great games for us??????
Submitted by Got2BHabs on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:52.
What about last year in the playoffs when Price got pulled and everyone said that was a bad move by Carbo and that Price had lost his confidence. Did you not want Price?
Submitted by ZepFan2 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:17.
How can Halak prove Carbo wrong when he never gets the chance to, and when he does and wins, he still sits. That's why he will lose his confidence.
Carbo did state he'd stick with the hot hand. He's a liar!
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Submitted by punkster on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:06.
You know, there's a tendency here to fix blame on a single person. I've seen it mainly directed at Carbo, with Gainey running a close second. But what I don't understand is this. How can a team (the players) look so great in some games or some periods then turn around and look so bad in others? When I see that lack of consistency I find it hard to believe that an entire team has "stopped playing for the coach/GM". If they've stopped paying then why do they look so dominating sometimes? Shouldn't they always look like crap, play like crap and get beaten every single period and every single game?
Tell me why? What am I missing.
Submitted by habs12345 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 20:55.
could it be that they are wrong about carbo and they just wasted years of crying and whining about him for nothing?? they wont let that happen you see even if the habs whent 82-0 in a season they would still be saying FIRE CARBO there just whiners that dont stop
Submitted by The Cat on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:28.
I think the fact that we had too many players and some got punished that didnt deserve to probably created a bad climate. the team hasnt looked dominating since Xmas.
Submitted by notbigbird on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:24.
Could it be because they play when they want (not often lately), and whatever Carbo does is totally meaningless to them? I'm really not trying to bash, but I have had this feeling for a long time now. Unlike many, I am not arrogant enough to proclaim it as fact (not referring to you); it's just a hunch, albeit based on some observation.
Submitted by The Teacher on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:07.
Thank you.
Submitted by Xtrahabsfan on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:05.
Well, I've got a horrible feeling bout this game ,but on the other hand I believe this to be the game off CHANGE. It's as if all the chips are being thrown in and the cards will lay where they may.Get ready for the Riberio show cause you know he smells blood.................
Submitted by brad.men5 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:55.
Submitted by notbigbird on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:19.
I think that's the main concern of many. It's not a Price vs Halak thing as I'm a big fan of both. But it often seems that some players are given every opportunity to fail while others are not given sufficient opportunity to succeed.
Notbigbird absolutely nailed it right here.
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Submitted by habsperspective on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:52.
Mar 4 1998, the last time Montreal won in Dallas, now the news isnt all that bad, its only a span of 5 games, and one was a tie.
But come on, does anyone really want to put money on the habs-beens!
You know with still 2 games to play against the leafs this season, we could be fighting for 9th with them!! It seems 06-07 is back!
Submitted by brad.men5 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:59.
No, not 06-07 again.. I still have nightmares of that awful night.
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Submitted by zozotheclown on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:08.
Our last game of the season is against the pens...could be fun
Submitted by habsperspective on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:03.
I do 2!!! I really hated the refs more then the leafs that day though, but didnt it atleast feel a little better when the Islanders won the next day, if just even a little!
God bless us all, hell, theres no god, somebody though, bless us, please!
Submitted by t1tan5 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:01.
What night? My memory has no recollection of such a night.
Submitted by brad.men5 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:50.
2 ridiculous decisions (yet again) by Crapo. Dandenault is out (completly unfair) and Halak as well. Come on, you're benching Halak? Are you kidding me? I don't care if Price "had a good game", you go with who's hot. Atlanta is such a bad team anyway.
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Submitted by Highspeed969 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:30.
Finally someone realizes and points out that Price's "good" game came against one of the worst in the East....
I understand Halak was sick for a week and could be considered cold but if it werent for his efforts in those 4 games, they would have all been losses...
Submitted by habs-13 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:57.
Dandenault should be in on D. Anyone who was good enough to win three cups with the Red Wings as a defenceman, is good enough to atleast play on our third pairing. Atleast O'Byrne's taking his place, not Brisebois.
"Hard work always beats talent, if talent doesn't work hard."
Submitted by Got2BHabs on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:54.
And he "only" faced 27 shots. What would have happened if he would have faced the 40 something that Jaro has been facing? Perhaps we'll find out that answer tonight.
Submitted by splurge on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:54.
Dandy is on D tonight.
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Submitted by splurge on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:55.
yeah just saw lol, wonder why the change?
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Submitted by Got2BHabs on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:57.
My vote goes to Carbo's an idiot.
Submitted by brad.men5 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:56.
*See my recopying of notbigbird's comment above*
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Submitted by Got2BHabs on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:55.
Nope, this just in, Dandy's out! See new thread.
Submitted by ZepFan2 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:55.
No he's not. Check the main page.
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Submitted by Gorges_the_great on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:40.
Hockey, like everything else in this world, is not black and white. There is no right or wrong goalie. There's what makes sense and what doesn't.
Both goalies have demonstrated they are capable. Price is coming off some more-than-shaky starts and Halak has been sick. I personally would have preferred Halak in nets but it's not the end of the world that Price is in. He can win too.
If Price loses it doesn't mean we would have won with Halak and if Price wins it doesn't mean we would have lost with Halak. There's a whole team in front of the goalie.
That said, if we are outclassed tonight, there needs to be some talk about Carbo getting the axe. A team with this kind of variability in play not only night to night, but period to period, demonstrates to me that the coach has no influence (or at least any consistent influence) on his club. I'd like to see Gainey step in. He has the composure this team needs.
Submitted by Shobud on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:51.
And what happens if we lose it with two or three bad goals. Then what
Submitted by notbigbird on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:47.
I also think Gainey should take pity on his friend and put him in the front office. For whatever reason, Carbo seems to be irrelevant to this team; they play if they're in the mood and vice versa. I sure wish they felt in the mood more often.
Submitted by timo (not verified) on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:36.
I would have to say that Price is all Gainey's decision. It never looked to me like Carbonneau liked the kid much but then again. There is no limit to how dumb carbonneau is so really every single stupid decision can pretty safely be attributed to him. And lately Gainey pretty much fits in to the same category.
Submitted by splurge on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:44.
Can't disagree with that lol.
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Submitted by Habs_008 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:36.
why carbo why!
Submitted by lavie on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:35.
Gainey's status quo is harveting the fruits: once again we are praying for playoff.
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Lay off Gainey; Fire Carbo!!!!!!
Submitted by hab maniac (not verified) on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:30.
NYR won today, Pitt is winning their game, and with the habs losing tonight
and Carolina winning tomorrow night, we'll be in 9th place and will remain there or descend and will not climb high enough to make the playoffs. It's not just my prediction, it's the reality of this team. and then Carbo and hopefully Gainey will fired, and then I'll have renewed hope. So I'm hoping we don't make the playoffs, because that's the only way those incompetent guys will be fired.
Submitted by t1tan5 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:36.
Can you predict the stock market, too? I need some money.
Submitted by The Cat on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:53.
If you need money then bet on Dallas tonight lol
Submitted by zozotheclown on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:48.
I can, its going down :P
Submitted by ZepFan2 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:38.
Screw that, just give me the winning lotto numbers.
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Submitted by splurge on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:25.
Do any of you guys even remember when Gainey forced Price to stay up with the big club, rather than start off the season with Hamilton. That was at the beginning of last season, and Carbo was VERY against having Price stay up, but Gainey kept him up.
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Submitted by Got2BHabs on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:31.
So then every time Carbo states that they are putting a lot of pressure on a 21 year old, is that him taking a shot at BG, as if to say "see I told you he wasn't ready to handle it"?
Submitted by EastCoastHab on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:29.
I remember, but being one point away from 10th place in the 100th season....I hope his thoughts of a win are much bigger than his pride.
IF Halak is feeling 100%....even 80% he should get the start. Without him we would be 1 point ahead of the leafs right now....ughhhhhh
Submitted by notbigbird on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:29.
Seems like Carbo has been onside ever since. Halak wasn't even properly made ready to step in in the playoffs last year.
Submitted by Sbah Reverof on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:00.
Ripoff for Halak, in my opinion; if he's healthy and willing, that is.
Carbo's all over the place, rewarding some players for their good play, and others for their poor play. Or is it punishing some players for their good play? I'm not sure what kind of message he's sending anymore, and the team is possibly in a similar limbo.
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Submitted by notbigbird on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:19.
I think that's the main concern of many. It's not a Price vs Halak thing as I'm a big fan of both. But it often seems that some players are given every opportunity to fail while others are not given sufficient opportunity to succeed.
Submitted by The Cat on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:23.
Bingo!
Submitted by TeaLayBooo on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:55.
I can`t believe i`m cheering for Jose today. Man this is getting to tight a race for me. I expect Price to have a strong game this evening. Hope the team desides to play tonight. Most important game of the season i`d say.....I`m still shaking my head at the Glen Metro frikkin Pollet thing. I could think of 3 cats in Hamilton that i think should be in Montreal before that weasal..No wonder were slipping into the black hole of dung. If we miss the playoffs which is a absolute posibility. Heads must roll. I can think of two heads i see kinda rolling right now.
Submitted by TripleX on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:54.
Some posters are justifying the benching of Halak on the grounds that he is still sick. I kindly direct you to the top of this page. Kevin Mio says that Halak is FULLY recovered. Halak is not playing because Carbo wants Price in. Case closed.
Guy Carbonneau is the new poster boy for the Peter Principle!
Submitted by The Cat on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:00.
I could be wrong but I believe Carbo likes Halak better than Price. When you look at it the past 2 years, anything to do with Price has been forced on Carbo by Gainey.
Submitted by TommyB on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:04.
"When you look at it the past 2 years, anything to do with Price has been forced on Carbo by Gainey."
Really? I know Gainey insisted that Price stay with the big club two training camps ago, instead of going to Hamilton, which was Carbo's thoughts. But please tell me, when and what else????
Submitted by The Cat on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:15.
Well the Huet trade, Im pretty sure no head coach would be thrilled at the idea of going into the playoffs like that. I think it'd be hard for a coach to like Price, dont you think? Just until recently his practice habits were poor. Just saying a lot of things were done for the benefit of Price (not yanking him in the playoffs cause of his age and confidence etc) and thats wrong IMO The organization seems unclear on the concept of merit lately.
Submitted by frank81 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:25.
Just curious, but in what ways were Price's practice habits "poor"?
It seems like at least one of the reporters from this site attends every practice in Montreal and your cryptic post is the first I've heard of it.
Submitted by TommyB on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:23.
I think you make a lot of assumptions. And I'd disagree that it would be hard for a coach to like Price. The kid has been a winner, and will be a winner again. 21 years old only sounds mature to other 21 year olds. Many will eat their words one day in their criticisms of Carey Price.
Submitted by The Cat on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:32.
Yeah I do but I have a good track record on here on my assumptions...I dont wish failure on Price. Everybody here thats been here for a while will vouch for me, Im not a recent bandwagon Halak lover Ive been a supporter of him from day one, the only thing Ive said is Price hasnt performed well enough to deserve the benefit of the doubt that hes better equipped to be an NHL goalie than Halak and you cant deny the organization is behind Price and Im pretty sure that aint the coach doing that. I said last year, Im saying it again, the 2 goalies are virtually equal, the only possible difference being one doesnt have a proper sounding last name.
Submitted by TommyB on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:39.
Thanks for listing your credentials for me, that is a tremendous help. That aside, not having a "proper sounding last name"? What the hell does that mean.
Submitted by Chris on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:45.
It means that if Carey Price had been born in Switzerland or Slovakia, instead of Canada, there would be a lot fewer people in here guaranteeing that he will be the better goalie moving forwards.
Submitted by The Teacher on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:57.
Fullt recovered does NOT mean in game shape!
Submitted by TripleX on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:15.
I did not realize that you are an MD as well as a Teacher. Quite an accomplishment, Dr. Teacher.
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Submitted by The Teacher on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 17:11.
I know what it's like to play hockey not at 100% of your capabilities. You obviously do not.
Submitted by Nahlsy on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:04.
You're wasting your time with these guys. They don't seem to understand what the flu is.
Submitted by Nahlsy on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:57.
You missed the Atlanta game right?
Submitted by Ian G Cobb on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:43.
We still have some SUMMIT tickets left for April the 4th, ($14) click on SUMMIT at the top of the page.
Submitted by Habitant in Surrey on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:56.
...Ian, have you considered renaming the event The Dungeon ?
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Submitted by Ian G Cobb on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:14.
Hamilton is in their play offs this year unlike the big club.
Is that what you were referring to??
Submitted by Habitant in Surrey on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:22.
...ok ...THAT makes more sense Ian
...Hamilton are playing very well ...SUMMIT it is !
...have a GREAT TIME my friend
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Submitted by RC-51 on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:43.
NYR won today,and if pittsburgh win this afternoon we'll be in 8th spot!
Submitted by TommyB on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:42.
If Price gets a win tonight, will the Carbo bashers say Carbo is now coach of the year? Will the Halak supporters relent and say it was a good move to put Price in? We all know the answers to those two questions. The answers will be the same should Price lose this one. Just get the win! I won't worry about any bruised egos, or unfairness (whether real or just percieved by fans). I don't care which goalie plays. Just get the two points. A bigger question that should be presented, is: "will any of these overpaid sissies start to put the puck in the net?"
Submitted by notbigbird on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:51.
Nope. I will be happy with the win but not how we got it unless Halak's still sick. And we don't know that right now. You have to stick to your word in this life, and if Carbo is doing this arbitrarily, I'll not be happy.
Submitted by coachdoug on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:50.
Tommy agree that rubber in the net is the key...if we do that early and often I think Price will play well and start his confidence build...
If we don't Jaro might be a better pick as he seems to get the nights when it is a hailstorm of rubber...
I am with you though...fan of any Hab that can score...even Beezer the old cow...
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Submitted by Nahlsy on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:47.
Price could face 20 shots a period, throw up 5 shutouts in a row, actually score 4 goals and they'd still be hanging him the second he allowed a goal because Halak should be in there. These "fans" are just ranting away without paying attention to reality unfortunately. They don't even seem to understand that Price wasn't just handed the job because he answered an Ad in the paper, he earned his draft spot, earned his promotion to the NHL, earned his #1 job by being better than Huet, earned the starter role by being better than Halak, and that Halak has been out for a week with the flu while Price has stood on his head for a team of incompetent dolts that haven't been able to support him.
I just wish the experts on this site would follow the team and watch a game or two before they tell everyone else how wrong they are or bitch and moan about who's in net because the bandwagon tells them to. Price earned the start, Halak's getting over the flu and isn't healthy, get over it folks.
Submitted by Led on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:13.
Reality is that Halak is winning and Price is losing.
Why this happens doesn't matter right now, Everything else is speculation and opinion.
Submitted by coachdoug on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:58.
Weren't you just a rooster a couple minuets ago???
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Submitted by Nahlsy on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:04.
Nope.
Submitted by coachdoug on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:07.
You sure...a little "barnyard pimp" maybe...
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Submitted by TommyB on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:57.
You know, you are bang on with your statements of why Price wears the #1 tag. It's only a matter of time before he returns to where he was prior to this current funk. The fact remains, there are five other guys on the ice each time a goal is scored. If each guy has his man, where can the puck go? This whole Price/Halak argument seems silly and over-debated. Get the puck in the other end boys, and score some goals, Habbies!
Submitted by Chris on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:56.
Alright, that one is a bit much. I'm not pro-Halak or pro-Price. I think Price has the physical tools to be the better goalie, but I think Halak has the mental tools to be the better goalie. Time will tell which one combines the two the best.
But please...I have watched about 55 of the games this season. So please stop lecturing people who disagree with you about needing to "watch a game or two"...that just makes you come off like a petulant teenager. Some of us don't agree with your assessment of Price...it doesn't mean we watch the game any less attentively than you, we just have differing opinions.
As for your comment that Price wasn't just handed his promotion to the NHL, you are 100% wrong. He WAS in fact just handed his promotion, over the objections of the coach he now plays for. He was also chosen to take over the #1 job from an established veteran goaltender, and achieved almost the exact same numbers over the season. So there is NO evidence that he clearly outplayed Huet...that was a decision by Gainey in terms of rebuilding the team for the future, not one based on results on the ice. To suggest otherwise is unfair to a very classy guy in Cristobal Huet and ultimately revisionist history.
Submitted by Led on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:22.
Exactly!
People like to revise history in order to defend their beliefs and opinions and appear "right".
Be wary of those who always need to be "right", they often have motives that are not in the best interests of the team.
Submitted by coachdoug on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:05.
With you on that one my friend...very condescending...no need to be...everyone has a right to an opinion on this site...
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Submitted by Nahlsy on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:01.
If you think he was handed his job for no reason, then you clearly don't know very much about pro sports, Price, or anything involved here. Sorry but, that's just ridiculous. He didn't win a contest, they didn't just pick some dude up off of the street and name him their starting goalie for crying out loud. If you're going to spew such nonsense, don't tell people they are 100% wrong and expect not to be shot down for such stupidity. Sheesh.
Submitted by Chris on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 16:12.
Did I say for no reason? You need to read a little more carefully.
The reason was not related to either guy's play on the ice. It WAS related to the fact that nobody knew Montreal would be as good as they were last season, and Huet was a UFA at the end of the season. That was a GM decision, not a coaching decision, that was the best course for a rebuilding club.
Submitted by Yeats on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:47.
Will Carbo ever make the monumental leap in thought that in order to score a few goals it might be a good idea to give just a tad more ice time to guys who might prove to be offensive threats?
Submitted by TripleX on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 15:41.
Kipper is looks terrible against the Thrashers today. Two goals on three shots.
Guy Carbonneau is the new poster boy for the Peter Principle!
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