Looking for clues in Canadiens goal
posted by Dave Stubbs at 10h22 EST on Apr 20
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Submitted by Geoff F on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 12:12.
For every success there is a failure. It's the name of the game. We all tend to focus on the negatives and the here and now. We all wanted Mike Ribeiro gone then he goes to Dallas and plays well and everyone suddenly forgets that they wanted him out and blame Bob for getting rid of him.
Really it's the long term vision. The Habs are in a better position than they were a few years ago. They have gotten steadily better but have had some hiccups along the way. They will continue to do so but right now our farm has lots of prospects we have lots of free agents at the end of the year so Bob can keep those that want to stay and get rid of those he doesn't want. Then he'll have lots of money on hand to deal with Free agents that lots of other teams wont be able to handle due to large burdensome contracts, and cap issues, not to mention the economy. So what's right...what's wrong, it doesn't matter. Bob has a plan and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't but we are getting consistently better and everything can get fixed. So i'm not sure why all the negativity and nitpicking on Bob's misses. We all have them, it's life get over it.
Bob is a great GM and I hope he stays, but i have a feeling he'll resign. He has too much integrity and i'm sure he still smarts from firing Carbo and feels responsible for the Team's fortunes this year even though he's not the one on the ice. Whatever the case as i said i hope he stays, Bob is a good man and a good GM and he wears the CH on his heart always.
Go Habs Go.
Submitted by Bill H on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 14:34.
Nice post Geoff. Unfortunately, this doesn't change the reality of fickle fans with unreasonably high expectations in Montreal. I hope you are wrong about BG resigning.
Submitted by Geoff F on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 15:53.
Thanks man. Believe me, i too hope that he isn't going anywhere. I just have this nagging feeling. It's always the good ones that leave too early and the bad ones stay for too long.
I just hope he's around to finish the job...
Submitted by Got2BHabs on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:58.
Is it 6:00 yet? My nerves are shot, my stomach is in knots, I wonder how the Habs are feeling.
Submitted by Batalla on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:55.
Here's the latest hint: It's not Dryden... No worries though... We've got them right where we want them! http://habsbros.blogspot.com/2009/04/rope-dope.html
Submitted by Watchdog on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:22.
No excuses BUT:
If the Bruins were missing CHARA AND SAVARD,
AND,
The Canadiens had BOTH MARKOV AND LANG,
who do you think would be leading this series?
Context, people.
Submitted by mickygrabovskiiiilz on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:59.
the bruuuus are already playing without hunwick and sturm, who are far more comparable to markov/lang in terms of talent.
that being said, i think boston would still be leading without those two greats. but not being able to see savvy kiss his teammates after they score would really suck the enjoyment out of the wins.
"My unibrow has stopped more pucks than carey price." - T. Kaberle
Submitted by otter649 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 13:12.
Before it was Boston trolls now it is a leaf troll......
Submitted by Tom S. on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 14:51.
That clown's all-time favourite hockey player is Sergei Berezin, I wouldn't worry too much about him or his intellect. LOL
Submitted by showey47 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:37.
I think i saw a stat on here that said the bruins had a worse record without chara then we did without markov.There is no doubt it would be a different series though.
Submitted by jw20 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 13:52.
what if? there is no what if's "it is what it is" thats it my friend
Submitted by showey47 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 14:24.
where is the what if? I just see a fact. But thanks for your otherwise useless post.
Submitted by Fansincebirth on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:33.
I don't think it's an excuse at all but a cold hard fact. Let's see other teams deal with the crap year we've had and see how they fair.
Too many people, especially on this site, are looking for a good old fashioned beheading so they can satisfy their Price or Gainey or BGL or Kovy or any other single player/coach/GM/Owner/icemaker/caretaker are to blame for this season.
Truth be told, it's all and none of them who are to blame. A team lives and dies by the collective, not by any one entity. Take any one out of the above mentioned list and nothing would have changed this year. Price is not a bad goalie, Gainey is not a bad GM, BGL is not a waste of skates and Carbo was not a bad coach. Carbo did not adjust well to the twirly swirly 100th season we've had, filled with key injuries that would not go away.
I really wish some would start singing a different tune than the usual that they've been spouting every day, several times a day since December.
Gets a bit monotonous....
Once a Habs fan, always a Habs fan
Halté-là ! Les Canadiens sont là !!
Submitted by Fire_Laraque on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:24.
Nobody is denying this.
"OFF WITH HIS HEAD" -Gregory Stewart on Grabovski.
Submitted by Fire_Laraque on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:19.
Interesting stats fact;
Carey Price lost his last 5 games. During his last 10, he's got a record of 3-4-3, with GAA: 3.42 and .900.
Halak, last ten games: 6-4. GAA: 2.31 with .947
Who do you want in nets now?
"OFF WITH HIS HEAD" -Gregory Stewart on Grabovski.
Submitted by Norm0770 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:24.
I guess Halak, but I'd rather choose Luongo than either. Oh well.
Submitted by iluucareyprice31 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:17.
Put price in nets , I have a feeling he is in nets !
Submitted by Cookies on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:16.
If Halak's in nets, then Price shouldn't be in the building. Jaro ALWAYS excels when Carey is not around. Whenever Price is there on the bench, Halak just gets scored on so much.
Submitted by Fansincebirth on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:13.
Does anyone know who is coaching our Dmen?
Once a Habs fan, always a Habs fan
Halté-là ! Les Canadiens sont là !!
Submitted by showey47 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:16.
judging by our inability to clear pucks and constant turnovers i would say the breezer is.
Submitted by Yeats on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:20.
With Lucic suspended, the Breezer will run wild tonight. No one ever goes full Breezer!
Submitted by Fansincebirth on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:49.
Oh good Lord, why did an image of a naked Breezer just pop into my head?!?!?!
Once a Habs fan, always a Habs fan
Halté-là ! Les Canadiens sont là !!
Submitted by showey47 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:26.
FULL BREEZER?! lmao, I just spit my coffee out.
Submitted by Fansincebirth on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:20.
Good one, I was guessing Youppi but didn't want to go out on a limb :o)
Once a Habs fan, always a Habs fan
Halté-là ! Les Canadiens sont là !!
Submitted by Fire_Laraque on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:15.
Read my post bellow. It's Jarvis.
"OFF WITH HIS HEAD" -Gregory Stewart on Grabovski.
Submitted by Fansincebirth on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:19.
Sorry, saw 'defensive' and read "here's how you skate backwards faster than the other team can skate forwards" not Dman coach....
Jarvis needs to be moved out of the way and have a real dman coach hired. IMHO, 99.99% of our problems start with the way our Dmen handle bodies and the puck in our own end.
Fix that first...
Once a Habs fan, always a Habs fan
Halté-là ! Les Canadiens sont là !!
Submitted by Fire_Laraque on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:20.
I've been saying this for ages. No D-Men coach, no glory.
"OFF WITH HIS HEAD" -Gregory Stewart on Grabovski.
Submitted by Shoowtime on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:09.
Ive had enough of the goalie BS.
I think Carey has the goods he hasn't played bad but JESUS show some emotion when you get scored on do something cross check the guy infront of you're crease something the team is fighting he isnt.
If he 's gonna play like a BITCH keep him in the club.
I can't watch this team go down with out a fight .
If they lose fine it was expected but not like this.
Thomas PLEKS is Playing like a Balarina NO COJONES.
AK46 should go join pleaks at the balet.
I STILL BELEIVE but do they?
Submitted by Habfan29 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:15.
I agree Price has to get angry and smack someone that is in his crease, jeez that is on of the first things that I was taught as a goalie....The crease is yours and if someone is bothering you or in the crease a nice slash on the ankles reminds him that there is a price to pay or my favourite that I have used over the years a stick between the legs behind the cup and he won't be in your face anymore.
Submitted by Vid on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:07.
The habs definitely need to score more than 2 goals tonight. Bare minimum 3 goals. Who the heck will score them? Beats me. I'll go with Pleks, Tanguay and Koivu.
Submitted by Fire_Laraque on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:11.
I go with Plek, Laraque and A. Kos. But then again, I didn't wake up this morning.
"OFF WITH HIS HEAD" -Gregory Stewart on Grabovski.
Submitted by Habfan29 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:06.
It just pisses me off that there are so many GM's in Montreal it is pathetic. If I were Gainey I would resign as well and if any one else had 1/2 a brain they would not touch this team, this is where Coaches and GM come to die the slow death of 1000 cuts from the fans and the press, just brutal..........
Submitted by Exit716 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:09.
Bob's a brilliant GM. He took a first place team in 2008 to eighth in the conference.
He let Streit walk for nothing, wouldn't even give him a contract offer. Hasn't negotiated with any of the 11 free agents to be, wasted all summer chasing Sundin.
Rushed Price into a role he's not ready for.
Fired the man he called his best move as GM.
Yeah, that track record says it all. He's another regular Ken Holland.
Submitted by Habfan29 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:17.
you both should apply for the GM position as you obviously have the right answers.
Submitted by showey47 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:28.
i actually did on march 17th after the rangers game. I applied through the canadiens website but never got a response.I guess my pro-active nature and wanting to build the team through size/toughness and skill made me unqualified for the job.
Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:29.
try again..no??
Submitted by showey47 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:36.
Should i go the politician route and just say all the rights things to get the job?You know, like promise to draft mainly players from the Q and sign only over the hill french ufa's? That may increase my chances.
Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:57.
no be ur self..its better.
political route..pfft.
Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:16.
are the injuries all BG's fault.how do you actually achieve consistency with so many players out of the line up.
you would chase sundin too.
you think signing this group of FA'S given the way they have been playing would have been a great move.maybe he was told what to do..no???
i'll give u the rushing of price maybe.
Submitted by Norm0770 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:21.
If you watch the frame by frame replay of the Lang injury you see Gainey repel from the rafters, slice Langs leg, and climb back up the rope. So yes he is responsible for the injuries.
Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:27.
oh i missed that replay...damn u BG.
Submitted by Fire_Laraque on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:12.
Oh wait I wanna play too;
Drafted A. Kos instead of Jeff Carter
Didn't negociate with Souray and chose Hamrlik
Trade Ribeiro for Ninniima
His defense coach is Jarvis
Next.. who can continue on this rant?
"OFF WITH HIS HEAD" -Gregory Stewart on Grabovski.
Submitted by chevy z28 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:21.
I want to play also. Gainey said at the trade deadline, that Carbo was his best signing. the last 3 trade deadlines, Gainey does nothing to improve his team, even tho he could have had a big center, Antropov for a 2nd round pick. But no, whe would rather have the little girl, the invisible one, Pleks. And to top it off, he keeps signing Breezer, a washed up 40 year old, who holds the record for being booed the most by hab fans. ok I'm done ranting. your turn now.
Submitted by chevy z28 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:23.
I forgot 1 thing. Gainey drafted Price ahead of Kopitar, a terrific young player.
Submitted by Vid on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:20.
Losing Souray was a calculated risk in that we had a chance to make the playoffs and trading him away would've essentially said we gave up on making the playoffs that year. unfortunately we lost and didn't make the playoffs.
I felt Hamrlik was a bit overpaid but I think he was a good free agent pickup. He hasn't been as good for certain stretches this season (although he got more points) but he's been a solid Dman for us overall.
Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:18.
he did negotiate with souray.souray opted for more coin and went to the lovely city of edmonton to be closer to his daughter.
Submitted by Fire_Laraque on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:22.
What I meant was trade him before deadline. Sorry.
"OFF WITH HIS HEAD" -Gregory Stewart on Grabovski.
Submitted by forskis on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:21.
I believe he actually took about 250k less....
Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:26.
if so i stand corrected but who cares. we signed hammer who is better defensivly..although one could argue that today given the over all play of our defense.
Submitted by Fire_Laraque on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:09.
Wow... Don't put your panties in a knot.
Just read this;
Reporter: "What should your players do to have a chance?"
Bob: "Listen to their coaches"
So what Bob is saying is that, they STILL don't listen? Even Bob doesn't know how to communicate?
Shizza. Keep this team together? Maybe a deaf and mute would have a better chance with this team.
"OFF WITH HIS HEAD" -Gregory Stewart on Grabovski.
Submitted by Malreg on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 10:59.
It doesn't matter WHO starts. We're not going to win a game if we can't score more than 1 or 2 goals, even if we had Luongo in nets.
Submitted by Habfan29 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 10:59.
I am listening to Marinaro on team 990 and he says that Gainey should lose his job, do you agree. Btw Marinaro is one arrogant Ahole.
Submitted by chevy z28 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:26.
marinaro is extremely knowledgable when it comes to sports, and if you ever met him, you would be retracting those derogatory comments.
Submitted by Yeats on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:01.
He won't lose his job. He is going to resign well before that. Given the impending sale of the team, he could announce it the minute this pathetic season ends.
Submitted by Fire_Laraque on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:07.
I think it's already in the can. I mean, he already knows he's resigning.
"OFF WITH HIS HEAD" -Gregory Stewart on Grabovski.
Submitted by showey47 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:07.
If that happens,its going to be a crazy may and june in montreal. A new coaching, management and possibly scouting staff would have to be in place well before the draft. I don't see it going that far,but nothing in montreal surprises me anymore.If it does happen,i hope it is the most qualified coach not the most qualified french coach, and i hope it's a g.m. that doesn't give 2 shits about pleasing the french media.
Submitted by Yeats on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:13.
From your post to God's eyes! Personally, I don't think you have a hope in hell of your hopes being fulfilled. My guesses are that the team will be sold to a local consortium that will pick people for both GM and coaching posts based on linguistic considerations and not ability. I'd bet on retreads like Marc Crawford or Hartley. I could see Savard coming back as GM. Although it has not been the norm recently, get ready for guys in the Q to go higher in the draft, unless of course they are Anglos or Europeans. When all is said and done, I don't think this franchise is near a bottom yet.
Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:22.
damn i hope that does not happen.that would make me sick.
Submitted by Yeats on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:23.
What to bet beers on it?
Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:31.
sure..lets go for it.
Submitted by MikeL on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:10.
Luckily, the most qualified coach is also French.
Submitted by Yeats on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:15.
They had him, but he now coaches the Bruins!
Submitted by MikeL on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:19.
I was referring to Jacques Lemaire.
Submitted by Yeats on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:21.
They had him once too. You want to see THAT type of hockey? There are more exciting moments is a curling match!
Submitted by MikeL on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:23.
Right now, I'd take anything that got us the wins.
Submitted by Yeats on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:25.
I'd take the curling.
Submitted by showey47 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 13:22.
pleky with a curling broom? Just another one on one battle he would lose,but then again he would finally have a set of stones
Submitted by Yeats on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 13:55.
Good one!
Submitted by Fire_Laraque on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:16.
And then Lamoriello had him too and fired him 5 games before the playoffs.
"OFF WITH HIS HEAD" -Gregory Stewart on Grabovski.
Submitted by Habsrule1 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 10:57.
I'd prefer Halak, but does it really matter if the Habs score 1 goal?
Go Habs Go!!
"I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Submitted by sprague cleghorn on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 10:54.
Eddy! Eddy! Eddy!
Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 10:54.
start Price. this is how the kid is going to learn no other way around it. keep him in the fire. there is not much time left in the season so let him battle.
Submitted by J.T. on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 10:53.
Argh.
http://habsloyalist.blogspot.com
Submitted by Yeats on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:02.
Go Rags Go! (At least, they have a real "all star" between the pipes!)
Submitted by SmallTownHab (not verified) on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 10:59.
J.T.
I viewed your Price bashing site. Not impressed.
Submitted by J.T. on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:03.
If you think I've written anything to "bash" Price beyond commenting on his play without fanboy blinders on, that's your issue, not mine. Easy solution? Don't view my site.
http://habsloyalist.blogspot.com
Submitted by SmallTownHab (not verified) on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:09.
I won't.
It is some site alright!
Submitted by showey47 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 10:52.
I think price has had more then enough oppurtunities to get his game back. I feel his play is killing the confidence of the guys in front of him.Look how the team fell apart after the hnidy 3-1 goal. Halak looked very solid in the 3rd and i think deserves a shot to start a game. Halak has proven he can steal games this season.
Submitted by Bryan on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:02.
Halak also only faced 5 shots in the 3rd period against a team that clearly took its foot off the gas.
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In Saku we trust.
Submitted by showey47 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:18.
price faced 30 shots,1 out of every 6 shots went in and 3 of the goals he allowed were from 25-30 feet out and no screen.I still think ryder was offside on his though
Submitted by Vid on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:05.
But that first shot on Halak was an amazing save. Bruin left all alone in front of the net and Halak does the splits.
Submitted by showey47 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:11.
then the save on the lucic breakaway also
Submitted by Yeats on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 10:58.
I agree. His confidence problems are his own, but he has infected the whole team. You and I know what it's like having a guy who can't stop a beachball behind you. Right now, Price is the second coming of David Aebischer.
Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 10:56.
the whole team is playing badly..its not only price. none of them have confidence except a few vets.
Submitted by Got2BHabs on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 10:58.
But the difference is you can sit Price, you can't sit the whole team. Both games, the Habs played well until the deflating goal.
Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:05.
i know what your saying.guess will find out soon enough.
Submitted by Yeats on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 10:59.
Maybe Gainey wants the misery to end as quickly as possible?
Submitted by Got2BHabs on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:02.
Sure seems like it, since he admitted that he gave up on the team Saturday night.
Submitted by Habs64 on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 10:50.
Price is in!
Submitted by Cookies on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 10:52.
I have a feeling it'll be Price tonight. And Halak in the next game, if things dont go well tonight, along with the hopeful comeback of Markov and Lang.
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