Quebec media giants in battle for Habs

posted by Kevin Mio at 9h29 EST on May 22


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BCE could be interested in buying the building that bears its name, reports say. Richard Wolowicz, Getty Images

According to La Presse, Canadian telecommunication giant BCE, which has its headquarters in Montreal, has teamed up with former Canadiens general manager Serge Savard in a bid to buy the Canadiens and the building that bears its name, the Bell Centre.

According to the report, the move would be an attempt to prevent BCE's competitor, Quebecor, from gaining control of the club. That would give Quebecor dibs on the naming rights of the building and exclusive French television rights for all Habs games, which belong to RDS until 2013. RDS is owned by CTVglobemedia, a division of BCE.

The report goes on to say that BCE is also worried that Pierre Karl Péladeau could use the Canadiens to push convergence between Vidéotron, its TVA television network or a possible new all-sports channel.




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chesc0's picture
Go check it out this link: http://www.hockey30.com They made a video on the sale of the Habs!

Steve C.'s picture
FINALLY! Someone who I am not afraid will destroy the team comes calling. If Péladeau or Quebecor were to get the Canadiens, I think I would kill myself. It would destroy this hockey team. It would become like the Harold Ballard Maple Leafs.

The Habs are interesting, corporately. Pat Hickey,in The Gazette May 20, 2009, writes that some obscure Russian was courted by the President of the Montreal Canadiens to be the next coach. Mr Hickey is well aware that the president of the team is M. Boivan, the same chap who told the business people of Montreal that the next coach would be... So if corporately it is M. Boivan that makes these decisions, then the Habs are the Leafs, one province removed. Maybe it is a translation problem. Like the deep pockets the Habs were supposed to have as late as Jan 09, until suddenly the owner is flogging them at the bazzar. The teams that do good in the NHL, that can consistently rebuild and regroup, seem to be the ones that are run by hockey people. The teams that never seem to win are those that seem to be run by corporate suits. The suits do make money, lots of it. But to them the championship is in the bonus package and the schmoozing. I would suspect some of you will have your fondest dreams realized, and the Habs are finished. You'll likely see some neat press kits, everyone will get a gift, from the new owners. Someone like Irving Grundman will be appointed GM and the coach will be a media popularity pick. Most UFA will move or sign somewhere where they know what the coach and GM are about. And the sun will rise on a sold out Bell center. But it won't be the Montreal Canadiens, just some guys in the team colours.

matraque's picture
Wow... it's Boivin FFS _____________________________________________________________________________ -"I have 21 000 bosses". -Carey Price -Time to end Koivu's reign. Enough is enough. -Come back home Vincent... We need you.

slapshot777's picture
If Basillie wants a team and is a true Habs fan like he says he is. Then why don't he make an offer to buy the Habs and leave the team where it is too. He can rely on a decent return on his investment year after year.

Bill J's picture
Because despite the fact that he grew up a Habs fan... he resides and runs his business in Southern Ontario... I highly doubt RIM will move to MTL & he can't move the Habs & frankly if I dropped 400 Million dollars on a Hockey team, I would be like Gillet at EVERY game!!! "Fire Roland Melanson, he CLEARLY has no clue how to Handle Carey Price - Gillett/Gainey need to make Patrick Roy an offer he can't refuse to come mentor/coach Carey!"

Dintrox's picture
I think Jim wants to be the exclusive owner and not have to form an investment group. There will be a bidding war for the Habs and they will likely top 400M. About twice what jim is offering for the 'yotes. As well, Jim's focus since his bid for the Pens has been bringing another team to Canada. makeitseven.ca

I hope & pray that RDS does not lose the rights to the Habs broadcasts. I'm able to view RDS through Expressvu, and the quality of their broadcasts is top notch. Who know what would happen to us Habs fans outside of Quebec if we could not watch them play on televsion ?

forskis's picture
I say let the Chinese government and their hedge fund buy the team....they will settle for nothing less than multiple Cup wins, they will make sure the players and coaches are the best available...and if evidence is correct, they will keep the media of ANY kind in their place or put them there. "Even Roy can be run out of town after 2 Stanley Cups."

Steiner's picture
In other news, TSN reports Lapierre and Schneider underwent successful surgery today. Lapierre had surgery on his ankle, while as we all know Schneider had his shoulder repaired. The "story" is here: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=279592

we're living enough in a Pierre Karl World without having him put the Habs on TVA2. as much as i don't like (or loathe, in some cases) the RDS broadcast team, TVA is actually a rung lower, imo.

likehoy's picture
i say NO to savard. as long as there are rumours about savard's group wanting to only draft and sign french players, then i cannot agree with it. at least gainey's philosophy is to draft and sign the best available talent (under their fallible judgment), which makes sense. the savard philosophy is just out of whack and archaic. now this quebecor ordeal is making it sound more like the montreal canadiens will be francophoned out (pun intended). and if it means i have to buy a new channel other than RDS to watch hockey games, i will be 10x as pissed as i had to sacrifice "the movie network" for hockey games, and so far it's been an excellent pay off. - Pride + Envy = Second Place

Garbo's picture
I think you'll probably find that most people who disagree with on this point are older fans. This type of xenophobic thinking was much more acceptable in their day and despite the social advances of more modern generations they still don't see a problem with promoting racial divisiveness. I don't think there's anything wrong with being proud of home-grown players and trying to secure and develop them, but there's no place in a modern society for the type of quotas eluded to by the below posters below. We should be trying to break down these barriers rather than promote them, in hockey and in life. Especially in such a context where players can be objectively rated on so many criteria, restricting this to race only reinforces this ignorant type of thinking.

Habitant in Surrey's picture
...LikeHoy says, "as long as there are rumours about savard's group wanting to only draft and sign french players, then i cannot agree with it." ...Golleeeee Like ...(or is it Hoy ?) ...there is a LESS ARCHAIC team down the road in Turdranna ...they seem to be lookin' fer sum fans like yer ...Bye the way ...what's Savards number ??? ...I wanna invest a chunk of My change in the venture ...Centre Habitant In Surrey ? ...sounds good ! Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

likehoy's picture
ridiculous, if you look around in other professional sports, teams that try to protect their homegrown players, such as italian and spanish soccer teams, are the least successful in their intercontinental play. (english soccer teams are known to have many foreign players and have had a team in the uefa champions league final 4 years straight. if you don't want to watch a team win, then maybe you should head over to turdranna. - Pride + Envy = Second Place

matraque's picture
I'm all for Savard and his philosophy. How many french canadians did we had on our last cup? Yeah that's right...... _____________________________________________________________________________ -"I have 21 000 bosses". -Carey Price -Time to end Koivu's reign. Enough is enough. -Come back home Vincent... We need you.

likehoy's picture
the problem with drafting JUST french players is that it's not possible to get the highest available talent (even of french players) available at the time. the other teams are laughing at us and drafting french players from under our noses cause we can't draft 1st every year. 15 years ago we were able to have that many french players on our cup winning team, and now we can't cause there are more teams drafting, and more pro-scouting, and less giving a crap about where a player is from (other than russia cause of getting to come over-seas is a pain) i have no problem drafting french players, but if you have to choose between john tavares/victor hedman or jordan caron/simon despres, who will you pick? - Pride + Envy = Second Place

Bill J's picture
Ok I'm sorry if this offends you or anyone who agree's but THAT has to be the DUMBEST logic EVER! French players does NOT = better players. deal with it! the best players (see MVP nominees this year) are RUSSIAN - deal with it! so drafting the best available & signing the best available is THE best way to attain championships.... Drafting French only is the STUPIDEST thing I have EVER heard! "Fire Roland Melanson, he CLEARLY has no clue how to Handle Carey Price - Gillett/Gainey need to make Patrick Roy an offer he can't refuse to come mentor/coach Carey!"

matraque's picture
I'm sorry, you just don't get it. The best candidate suitable for that team are right in our backwards and drive way playing hockey... The problem is, they have no one on the team that they can identify with! That's a crime. Quebec used to produce so many awesome players... Why? Because half the team (the Habs that is) was french canadian and guess what, it worked. All i'm saying is we have to go for local products... Canadians and French Canadians. Bring back passion to that team. Passion will be back when we bring back the Quebecers to the team. _____________________________________________________________________________ -"I have 21 000 bosses". -Carey Price -Time to end Koivu's reign. Enough is enough. -Come back home Vincent... We need you.

Habitant in Surrey's picture
...Bill ...I don't think Savard ...or ANYONE ELSE is saying "French Players Only' ...We are saying the Montreal Canadiens are the MONTREAL CANADIENS ! ...and the MONTREAL CANADIENS have no meaning unless its identity is restored ...and THAT means a predominent core of French and Canadian personnel ...YOU may not care if we are made up with Finns, Russians, Swedes, American College Ivy Leaguers, etc., etc.. ...but I do ...and I would say so does 80% of the MONTREAL CANADIENS Fan base ...deal with it Bill! ...and the few others that seem also 'not to git it' Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

Xtrahabsfan's picture
Agree

Bill J's picture
It's a good thing YOUR not the GM then eh ? & btw the poster ABOVE me (who I replied to, not to be rude... but at least follow the thread ok) WAS saying Savard should & would draft French.... My post if you re-read it was in reply to THAT. Montreal CANADIENS ? Your funny.... So by your logic, only Kings should play for LA ? Ducks play for Anaheim, Devils play for NJ, Islanders - only if your born on a Island... WTF kinda logic is that ? Identity ? a birthplace has ZERO to do with Identity... Hell if you want to talk Identity - lets discuss the identity of MONTREAL as a city... it AINT french only.... Oh this BS about caring if we have Finns, Russians, Tchecks etc... What I care about is having the BEST team available, if your not happy having the best team there is... it is YOU who should consider looking at what kind of fan you are.... because the rest of us who want the best possible team on the ice DO GET IT! ;) Apparently you dont get a few things yourself eh ? "Fire Roland Melanson, he CLEARLY has no clue how to Handle Carey Price - Gillett/Gainey need to make Patrick Roy an offer he can't refuse to come mentor/coach Carey!"

G-Man's picture
"a birthplace has ZERO to do with Identity" Do you read what you write before you post? __________________________________________________________________________________ Beliveau is the best that ever was.

Habitant in Surrey's picture
...I am not going to get into a debate with you ...don't have the time ...Maybe it has to do with your age, I don't know ...but the MONTREAL CANADIENS belongs MORE to the Province Of Quebec than it does to anyone else ...and I am an Anglo saying that ...you can feel what YOU want ...but Our Team does not belong to only you Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

matraque's picture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992-93_Montreal_Canadiens_season _____________________________________________________________________________ -"I have 21 000 bosses". -Carey Price -Time to end Koivu's reign. Enough is enough. -Come back home Vincent... We need you.

WOW...real good draft picks...only Craig Rivet amounted to anything.

Tell me how many french canadians have been the factor in winning the cup the last lets say 20 years. Yeah great I guess its more of the same crap we had with savard and houle.

matraque's picture
Serge Savard was GM at that time... Sorry, thank you. _____________________________________________________________________________ -"I have 21 000 bosses". -Carey Price -Time to end Koivu's reign. Enough is enough. -Come back home Vincent... We need you.

Bill J's picture
Yeah & Savard was the one who STARTED the Patrick Roy trade talks BEFORE he got fired and Houle completed the trade.... At least come up with inteligent arguments. "Fire Roland Melanson, he CLEARLY has no clue how to Handle Carey Price - Gillett/Gainey need to make Patrick Roy an offer he can't refuse to come mentor/coach Carey!"

matraque's picture
You are correct. The nuance is that Savard would have traded for something better... That is why it never went through. Savard was asking a lot. _____________________________________________________________________________ -"I have 21 000 bosses". -Carey Price -Time to end Koivu's reign. Enough is enough. -Come back home Vincent... We need you.

G-Man's picture
14 on the Habs last Cup winner. __________________________________________________________________________________ Beliveau is the best that ever was.

I seem to remember a team in Quebec City, the Nordiques tried to go with an all Francophone team and it failed miserably they ended up in last place. The Canadians owed their success in the past to picking the best available player with no regards to language. If Savard is the new owner and is serious about this then the habs will be in last place for many years to come.

mrhabby's picture
there are also many great players other than french guys..this is a narrow minded approach just picking french...just plain stupid.

cautiousoptimist's picture
If the rumours are true, then I'm with you, but rumours are just rumours unless proven otherwise, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the evidence on that one. That said, I'm in favour of getting Bell's name off the arena -- it's already off my cable, Internet, landline and cell phone bills, and I'm much happier, far less frustrated, and a littler richer for it. Maybe Videotron will do what it did with cable, and woo hockey fans with three foods -- a drink, a pizza slice and a sack of french fries -- for the price of two! 1. www.flickeringpictures.com - not a hockey site, but still kinda neat 2. Mike Boone: "With Gainey at my side, I'd walk into any dark alley in the world."

Savard..two Stanley Cups; three trips to the finals. Gainey...not so much!!!!!

cautiousoptimist's picture
Wait, what? Gainey won 5 Cups with the Habs, and added another as GM of the Stars, plus two conference titles. In the West, where they're good at hockey. Plus 4 Selkes. In a row. They created the award JUST SO THEY COULD GIVE IT TO HIM. Joined the Hall of Fame just three years after retiring -- same as Serge. Unlike Serge, the Russians called Gainey the best all-round player to ever play the game. And he gave us a Habs team that doesn't have Oleg Petrov and Darcy Tucker as its budding young talent. Dude, do your freaking homework before you rag on a legend. Oh wait, unless you meant STEVE Gainey... 1. www.flickeringpictures.com - not a hockey site, but still kinda neat 2. Mike Boone: "With Gainey at my side, I'd walk into any dark alley in the world."

zooziff's picture
What do Gainey’s achievements as a former player and GM have to do with his current GM spot with the Canadiens? Even with some of the worst trades in Habs history I would take Serge Savard as GM over Bob Gainey any day. As General Manager how many fifty goal scorers has Bob Gainey drafted for the Habs? How many Stanley Cups has Bob Gainey won as GM of the Habs? Just curious.

cautiousoptimist's picture
It's true that great players don't always make great GMs, but this one does. And the Dallas Cup and two Presidents' Trophies are proof of that, as is the renaissance of Montreal as a team not led by Dainius Zubrus. 1. www.flickeringpictures.com - not a hockey site, but still kinda neat 2. Mike Boone: "With Gainey at my side, I'd walk into any dark alley in the world."

Bill J's picture
Your funny... because Savard NEVER drafted a 50 goal scorer.... he inherited a team that was WELL drafted, and THOSE players won the cup - not Savard.. Also lets compare another VERY relevant point Savard became GM when there was a talented crop of young players (established above) and the Habs still had a advantage in the fact that players WANTED to come play here... Gainey had a task of REBUILDING a team largely destroyed by Houle - on all levels... 1) The Draft brought nearly NOTHING prior to Gainey. (and dont even try to use this past year as a argument that Gainey & Timmins have drafted crap - that ALSO is plain dumb, IF after next year those same players suck... THEN that argument can be made) 2) no cups in WAY too long for the Habs, and the Media + Lovely fans such as yourself who constantly criticize the team and its players - gee I wonder why no player wants to sign here) Just curious - do you actually research before you post - Stop letting your rear-end talk, and think before you type BS. "Fire Roland Melanson, he CLEARLY has no clue how to Handle Carey Price - Gillett/Gainey need to make Patrick Roy an offer he can't refuse to come mentor/coach Carey!"

zooziff's picture
Submitted by Bill J on Fri, 05/22/2009 - 17:19. "Your funny... because Savard NEVER drafted a 50 goal scorer.... he inherited a team that was WELL drafted, and THOSE players won the cup - not Savard.." John LeClair never scored 50 goals for the Canadiens, however, he did turn into a fifty goal scorer. Are you forgetting about Stephane Richer who scored 50 goals twice for Les Canadiens?

Bill J's picture
Go check who drafted Richer... & Leclair does not count as the comparison was SAVARD Vs. Gainey - Leclair did not score 50 untill well after his 5th year, so talk about this comparison in approx 5 years and THEN you can compare Leclair to whomever scores or doesnt score 50 that was draft by Gainey... Oh & btw.... was it not Savard who trade Leclair BEFORE Leclair got 50 ? so technically speaking his smarts of drafting Leclair where outweighed by him giving him away for a bag of pucks (because we ALSO lost Desjardins in that trade ) "Fire Roland Melanson, he CLEARLY has no clue how to Handle Carey Price - Gillett/Gainey need to make Patrick Roy an offer he can't refuse to come mentor/coach Carey!"

zooziff's picture
Submitted by Bill J on Fri, 05/22/2009 - 18:31. “Go check who drafted Richer...” It’s hard to remember every little detail so if you know something please share it. I stopped by the official Canadiens website and it indicates that Serge Savard selected Petr Svoboda, Shayne Corson, Stephane Richer and Patrick Roy in the 1984 NHL Entry Draft. Here’s the link: http://ourhistory.canadiens.com/gm/Serge-Savard “& Leclair does not count as the comparison was SAVARD Vs. Gainey - Leclair did not score 50 until well after his 5th year, so talk about this comparison in approx 5 years and THEN you can compare Leclair to whomever scores or doesnt score 50 that was draft by Gainey...” Fair enough. “Oh & btw.... was it not Savard who trade Leclair BEFORE Leclair got 50 ? so technically speaking his smarts of drafting Leclair where outweighed by him giving him away for a bag of pucks (because we ALSO lost Desjardins in that trade )” It’s funny how some will defend Bob Gainey who has won no Stanley Cups as GM of the Habs, and then go on to make comments like this about Serge Savard who has won two. I acknowledged above that Serge Savard made some of the worst deals in Habs history; trading players like John LeClair, Claude Lemieux, and Chris Chelios. Having said that let’s also not forget he acquired Kirk Muller, Vincent Damphousse, and Brian Bellows. By the way, did I mention Serge Savard drafted two fifty goal scorers and won two Stanley Cups as the Habs GM?

Doctor Device's picture
Not sure what that has to do with the story, and of course you're forgetting Gainey's 2 President's Trophies and Cup in the space of 5 years in Dallas. Can't wait to see who the next whipping boy will be once the media and associated lemmings finish running Gainey out of town, also looking forward to his surge of popularity a la Carbonneau immediately following his dismissal. Because then it will be someone else's fault.

Bill J's picture
You listed the 2 presidents trophies with Dallas - but forgot to mention last years Habs - they ALSO won the PResidents Trophy ;) "Fire Roland Melanson, he CLEARLY has no clue how to Handle Carey Price - Gillett/Gainey need to make Patrick Roy an offer he can't refuse to come mentor/coach Carey!"

Dintrox's picture
Top in the east but not president's trophy that was Detroit...

Bill J's picture
Damnit! I knew I shoulda double checked lol Your right... Top in the east... not presidents trophy "Fire Roland Melanson, he CLEARLY has no clue how to Handle Carey Price - Gillett/Gainey need to make Patrick Roy an offer he can't refuse to come mentor/coach Carey!"

jrshabs1's picture
It's May 22 and still no feel good news regarding my beloved Habs, just more speculation and rummor that amounts to nothing. I cheer for a team that is apparently run by the Ringling Bros. and the clowns will not leave the stage forcing me to endure the same crap everyday for the last 10 years. Peace!!!

ooder's picture
what about the fact they are raising the ticked prices? doesn't that cheer u up? no? me neither :( sigh --- we need a kovalev

TorontoHabsFan's picture
I think the main question with Savard is whether or not he'll be tempted by the bright lights of the media and take a more active role in the running of the team. I don't pretend to know the nuances of his personality, but I suspect that by the very fact that he's a hometown boy who once was involved in the day to day operations of the hockey team the temptation would prove too great to stay away...and we'd very quickly end up with a situation where we have 3 head chefs and nobody to dice the carrots (or something like that...you know what I'm getting at :)

HardHabits's picture
Don't you think that Mike Babcock is more Marv from Sin City than Rob Brind'amour?

Infanteer's picture
As long as Celine Dion's name has been purged from the list . . .

mrhabby's picture
I have been a HAB fan for 49years and will remain but i have to admit this circus is really just a little much these days. The draft is in a little more than a month. last time i looked still no concrete buyer, coachs needed...etc,etc. wowowow.

Chorske's picture
Given the key role that the team plays in the social lives and identity of Montrealers, I am surprised that I haven't heard mention of the community-ownership model since it was discussed here on HIO back in the late winter. It's worked well in Green Bay with the Packers. On the plus side, if the team is run as a non-profit organization, the focus is on winning not merchandise or licensing- the games can then be aired on a public non cable broadcaster, and 100% of the profits can be pumped right back into investing in the team (such as upgrading our pro scouting team, for instance). On the negative side, things are bad with 100,000 assistant coaches- imagine the mess with 100,000 owners, each one thinking they can run the team better than anyone else. my worries: Roustan: is he another Jeffrey Loria? American owners have given me the heebie jeebies ever since the expos died Savard: would favor frenchness over quality BCE: are you kidding? the same people who lobby for a monopoly on phone/internet service, and then gouge us with exoribtant fees for doing simple *** like ADDING A NAME TO THE BILL?! Or who throttle my 7MBps download speed so the best I manage some nights is 30KBps?? screw them and the beavers they rode in on. _______________________________________________________________ Il faut commencer avec le travail, et finir avec le talent. -BG C'est la pire job au hockey. C'est pour ca que tout l'monde veut la job. -Jacques Demers

HardHabits's picture
If you're having problems with throttling at 30kbps then use Azureus (now called Vuze) with encryption. I download torrents all day at top speed and I am with Bell. follow these instructions: http://azureuswiki.com/index.php/Avoid_traffic_shaping and download with all the bandwidth you got dude!!!!

Chorske's picture
Woooo Trying this tonight, will let you know how it goes. _______________________________________________________________ Il faut commencer avec le travail, et finir avec le talent. -BG C'est la pire job au hockey. C'est pour ca que tout l'monde veut la job. -Jacques Demers

HardHabits's picture
Make sure you use the Level 5 settings. Good luck!

Cam_1's picture
Bell is Number 1 ....woooot !

Cam_1's picture
Bell is Number 1 ....woooot !

Cam_1's picture
Bell is Number 1 ....woooot !

G-Man's picture
Savard won 2 Cups. So what if he's french? __________________________________________________________________________________ Beliveau is the best that ever was.

Chorske's picture
Read my post again, carefully My issue is not with SAVARD'S frenchness, but with his oft-repeated desire to preferentially draft/trade for french players. As a fluently trilingual first generation Canadian, I find that philosophy offensive. What would this team have looked like without Robinson? Morenz? Toe Blake? etc etc. Or for that matter, what would this team have looked like without Saku? Without Kovalev? It's a dumb philosophy. _______________________________________________________________ Il faut commencer avec le travail, et finir avec le talent. -BG C'est la pire job au hockey. C'est pour ca que tout l'monde veut la job. -Jacques Demers

G-Man's picture
Savard's 'philosophy" wins. Young players from Montreal and surrounding generally want to play for the Habs. It's a dream nurtured by their parents and the minor hockey community. Most players from Quebec are french. There's a pride associated with the CH. Every team needs players that will do anything and everything to make the team a winner. The Habs do NOT have enough players that care enough to win. What would this team have been like without Maurice and Henri Richard or Beliveau? Or Cournoyer? Or Lafleur? Winners all. Without Saku or Kovalev, the team would be better off. Koivu has never been that great and Kovalev is a selfish coach killer. __________________________________________________________________________________ Beliveau is the best that ever was.

mrhabby's picture
Rouston is Canadian and a die hard hockey guy. Bell wants to stop the Quebecor threat with Savards ties to the Club. just get this overwith GG.

Chorske's picture
You are correct- not sure where I got the notion that he was American. Perhaps I'm using Harper's "Ignatieff Math" (i.e., assuming that if someone has more than a month in the USA, they stop being Canadian). My #1 solution is for George to retain ownership. He's been awesome. My worst is BCE / Quebecor. Somewhere in the middle is Celine and Cirque du Soleil guy. _______________________________________________________________ Il faut commencer avec le travail, et finir avec le talent. -BG C'est la pire job au hockey. C'est pour ca que tout l'monde veut la job. -Jacques Demers

mrhabby's picture
i guess uncle george would be the safest pick. i am not sure it would be the best pick i say that because he must have had a hand in all the crap that went down this year..ie..carbo dismissal lack of major trades at deadlines,money issues. does he really just sign the cheques and let the hockey guys handle the one ice stuff or is there more to him. so many questions to answer ..does he want the status quo or make changes....crazy times.

Infanteer's picture
"Ignatieff math" . . . I like that.

Habsrule1's picture
I'm off to play golf. Thanks for the posts today. You guys really get me thinking. I love your points of view. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy

Cam_1's picture
"I can't really hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because I have my two Stanley Cup rings plugged in my ears" - Patrick Roy ....lol

what happened to Graeham Roustan?

Chorske's picture
This ownership thing is turning into a real clusterf*ck. It would be nice to have one season- ONE- without some form of major upheaval. _______________________________________________________________ Il faut commencer avec le travail, et finir avec le talent. -BG C'est la pire job au hockey. C'est pour ca que tout l'monde veut la job. -Jacques Demers

G-Man's picture
If BCE buys the Habs, get used to paying for watching playoff games after the RDS contract expires. Then, in a season or 2, get used to paying a fee for every game you want to watch. Bad news for most who don't have the bucks to spend extra on what at best can be described as an addictive hobby. Worrying about whether or not it's Peladeau or BCE isn't the problem. The problem is with the new salary cap NHL, players' salaries are rising against the backdrop of a major recession. The only "economic certainty" the owners have gained is the black hole of bankruptcy rapidly approaching. __________________________________________________________________________________ Beliveau is the best that ever was.

punkster's picture
G-Man, I disagree with your first statement but tend to agree with your second. I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to revert to the old Black Hawks style of televising games (and I would see charging for games in the same way the Hawks blacked out games for years, either way the fan base suffers). As long as the advertising dollars were there the games would be broadcast for free. Now if those dollars dried up then maybe they would look at a pay-per fee. I agree, though, that the bigger issue is the CAP and how these businesses handle the new realities.

Habsrule1's picture
Anything is possible, but I'd be totally shocked if BCE tried to pull that off. I do not see that happening...ever. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy

TorontoHabsFan's picture
I think that too much is made of the ownership situation and the relative merits of each potential ownership group. Basically as long as they keep the hockey operations side separate from the business side (which was the problem in Toronto for so many years - the division of labour wasn't absolute), and they agree to spend up to the salary cap, it really doesn't matter all that much who actually owns the team. That being said, if we end up with an ownership group who doesn't stay out of the limelight, then we could end up with a neverending headache/circus ala the Dallas Cowboys.

punkster's picture
THF you speak the truth there. When I lived in T-dot-Goose and cheered for the Laffs it was constant struggle between owner, management and team resulting in...nothing. Some great individual players but never even close to the prize. As to the ownership question I just can't make up my mind yet about the entire issue. What team out there is not owned by someone or some business that uses the team and the facilities to further their own business? Is there a perfect model? (OK, Marisa Miller comes close...but I digress). In that regard maybe BCE is the right choice since the building name and inside advertising are already in place. No additional distraction there. But partnered with Savard? That's the part I'm unsure of just now. I'm going to need to do a bit more research and read some more of the HI/O comments before making up my mind.

I'd like to hear Hickey or Stubbs comment on how BCE ownership might violate the NHL's by-law against owning multiple teams. BCE has a portion of the buds. As far as I'm concerned either of these corporations would be bad news as they'd be exclusively about maximizing profit without the personal pride an individual owner experiences with winning.

Bill J's picture
If in fact that is true - I highly doubt that BCE would have trouble selling its minority stake in the Buds if it meant a majority stake in the Habs. "Fire Roland Melanson, he CLEARLY has no clue how to Handle Carey Price - Gillett/Gainey need to make Patrick Roy an offer he can't refuse to come mentor/coach Carey!"

Any one of Serge Savard or Quebecor would be a death of every thing this club has done in the past 6 years, set them back to where not one fa would sign here. We could welcome back the many *** teams, trully *** personal, very bad and drafting that graced the ice in Montreal from the pervious three general managers. We can hope for a guy like Balsille or Pierre Karl Péladeau or have George keep it.

Kevin Mio's picture
Dav12389, Pierre Karl Péladeau and Quebecor would be one in the same. Péladeau runs Quebecor.

I was to write Roustan, but some how I got that idot in there.

Corporate's picture
Honestly.. Did you reread what you wrote. You rather have Quebecor or Balsilie over Savard??? Like I mentioned below, if any of these people buys the team, the Montreal Candiens will be selling again ina few years. BCE and Quebecor seem to always be on the brink of financial trouble. They can't afford a long term commitment to the NHL. As for Savard, he has proven he has a solid financial background and unlike most people that post here, he is a hockey guy. He did a great job as GM... He is not a moron and will not fire everyone to benefit the french. He will make sound decisions. And if he does pick a french coch or GM he will make sure he is someone that can do the job and not a guy that just speaks french.

Please give your head a shake, the guy got the benifit of a goalie how single handly won the two cups. The 86 team he did not a thing for them and had the benifit of the previous gm and draft, 93 team was one name Roy. Check out what your boy did in the draft http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00006929.html And the few players he did happen along he sold for nothing.And hes already said the team is lacking the french feel, also go back and check out the great french canadian kids he drafted. And yes I would love to see a guy like Balsillie as he would pick the right people to run this team not only as the business it is but also to win a cup. And not choose the best french speacking coach of gm, enough of the crap and pick the best guy for the job and I couldnt care if all he could speck was russian, hire and interpitor and problem soloved. Gainey got stuck with nothing, a few glimmers of hope but a team saddled with nothing in the system to a buch of never will bes on the ice. Re building form 20 years of nothing will take time. It shows what hes done when half the starting line up and half the ahl team get rumored in trades. Teams want this youth, why because they have a lot of promise and or are good. Every season hes been there 90+ points playoffs all but one and one of the higest rated farm systems.

Chorske's picture
Two things: I agree with you regarding Savard's record. One problem is that Savard would be the owner in this situation, not the president or the GM. No one here knows exactly how "hands on" the new owner would be- but given the horrible situation at MLSE, one hopes that any new owner would carry on in Gillette's footsteps and let their presidents and GMs do their jobs without interference. And that's exactly the problem with Savard, I don't trust him to shut up and let the boys do their thing. SO I hope Savard loses out. PS. I really don't like the expression "give your head a shake", not sure why, but it drives me BONKERS when posters use that expression. _______________________________________________________________ Il faut commencer avec le travail, et finir avec le talent. -BG C'est la pire job au hockey. C'est pour ca que tout l'monde veut la job. -Jacques Demers

ZepFan2's picture
Agreed on the "give your head a shake" thingy. Most overused phrase on here. Makes me want to punch my monitor. ------------------------------------------- "I think when you talk about the Canadiens, you have to put the word family in front of it." - Patrick Roy

Chorske's picture
I'm glad to find out I'm not alone in feeling this way. Not saying that this applies in this case, because this poster actually defends his point very well, but that phrase is most commonly used by people who are too lazy to express/defend their opinion in clear, cogent terms. It defeats the whole point of a discussion board. _______________________________________________________________ Il faut commencer avec le travail, et finir avec le talent. -BG C'est la pire job au hockey. C'est pour ca que tout l'monde veut la job. -Jacques Demers

Habsrule1's picture
BCE has been around a long time. Some troubles, yes, but they've pulled through pretty well. As far as Savard having done a great job, I have to strongly disagree. He did a decent job, I suppose, but he made a number of the worst trades and draft picks in Habs history. He cannot get involved and make the GM's job, whoever it may be, even harder than it is. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy

Corporate's picture
um ok... He did a better job then the guys that followed and as I recall he won 2 cups as GM... I don't think that is a fluke.

Habsrule1's picture
He did not do a better job than Gainey. His trades were much worse. The only trade that was worse than Chelios for Savard was the Roy trade. I guess he tried to make up for choosing Wickenheiser instead of Savard 15 years earlier. Those Cups.....were all Patrick Roy. Give him credit for picking Roy, but not much else. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy

G-Man's picture
Houle did the Roy trade. __________________________________________________________________________________ Beliveau is the best that ever was.

Habsrule1's picture
I know. I was simply pointing out that I believe that trade was one of the only ones that was worse than the Chelios trade. Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy