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Jarvis gone, Muller stays, huge deal in works?
posted by Dave Stubbs at 5h00 EST on Jun 23
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Jarvis always seemed to look like a " Grumpy ole man " behind the bench , while Kirk seemed to be always " coaching " whenever the cameras showed the Montreal bench .
I'd be interested to see who replaces him . There was talk last year about the team not having a defencemen coach ,,but then again how many do we actually need behind the bench ,, maybe Martin & Kirk is enough ???
I'm thinking Vinny is coming... but not sure if he can fulfill the great expectations the fans will expect ..
We are to soft .... let's fix that first ..
Did you not see Grumpy Bowman behind the bench when he coached our Habs to 5 Stanley Cups?
"We will win the Cup one day only with a mature Carey Price in the nets"
Cournoyer IS a class act..I met him along with The Rocket, Eddie "The Entertainer" Shack, Gordie Howe at the old Liam Maguire haunt "The Original Six" bar here in Ottawa.
They were all gentlemen of the first order (Eddie was a hoot) and YC had the biggest legs I have seen outside the NFL..lol..He was/is an impressive physical speciman.
He seemed to love all the attention he got as we all told stories about our earliest memories of the Canadiens and their careers. I think they were all amazed at how well we remembered their exploits. How could we forget!!
Funny you should mention Eddie Shack....clear the track......One evening back in the early 70's, a buddy and me were having a beer in the Derby Hotel in Crystal Beach. Crystal Beach would be the Canadian equivalent to New York's Coney Island. A suburb of Fort Erie, Ontario (if Fort Erie were big enough to have a suburb). Anyway, we're sitting there having a beer and some drunken a**hole comes by our table, bumps into the table spilling our glasses of draft. We rather impolitely tell him to get the hell out of our faces, or he will wear the next round we order. He gets pissed off at us and tells us "hey, don't you guys see who I'm sitting with? I'm sitting with Eddie Shack!" One glance over in that direction pretty much confirms that Shack is indeed sitting at the table this jerk came from. Shack, by the way. was playing for the Sabres at the time...a short skip across the river from Fort Erie. That's pretty cool, sir, we tell him....but we don't give a *** if you're sitting with Bobby Orr! Get the hell out of our face or you will wear our next round. The drunken a**hole wandered off to the the can and was not seen again.
A couple of minutes later, Shack comes over to our table and sits down. He apologizes for the a**hole, saying he has no idea who the jerk is. Just some guy who recognized him and decided he and Shack were now best friends. Shack buys us a round, and stays to enjoy it with us. It was really cool to have a beer with Eddie Shack, listen to his jokes, and share a laugh. When he finished his beer, he shook our hands, wished us well, and headed out the door. Meanwhile, we looked at each other and asked, "did this really happen?". Needless to say, it was one of those nights for the memories.
Some of these guys from an era gone by, just had so much down to earth class and normality about them. More than a few players from this era today could take some lessons from these guys.
At least we see that Martin has some influence. But the wrong way in my opinion. So he's on track to help with the Molson-Gainey plan to destroy the habs. Yup the Molson boys hate hockey cause it took their dad away so they are taking out their revenge at our expense. Bring in the dull guy who's philosophy as described by Timmons is we know we won't get the top ten so we concentrate on the ones no one wants. That kind of explains that the Habs don't have a champion at the top, without that what do you get?
put the crack pipe down and wake up! you sir,have no idea what your talking about and your making yourself look like a total idiot !
WOW - I think you wrote this clearly to upset people.... Because otherwise you are the dumbest Hab Fan I've ever seen speak of the Habs - EVER!
You imply: The Molson Bros paid 550 Million $ to Destroy the team, because the team took their dad away from them ? WOWZA
1st of all the LEAD Molson Brother who was responsible for the purchase, has been on the board of the Habs for years now.
2nd - Molson owning the Habs is like Steinbrenner owning the Yankees. THe Molsons (on & off) have owned the Habs for over 50 years - of which the GREATEST Sport Dynasties in SPORTS History.... But yeah the Molsons want to kill the Habs.
Go cheer for the Leafs. You as educated as the Leaf fans - will be a perfect fit.
"Come on Gainey make a blockbuster trade & land the Habs the #1 overall draft pick & pickup Tavares"
Don't forget your meds!
i think this is that moron hab kid
Pray tell us what you are inhaling. Must be some good sh*t.
Ali B.
Sounds like a garden-variety Masonic plot to me. Will those goddamn Templars ever learn?
Hey Chris! Been a while...how are ya? What are your feelings on Vinny?
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Good post, man. I've been back & forth on this, and I've thought about something similar, only a bit dumber, like telling Vinny we really want him, Tampa can't afford him, and we want to slightly renegotiate the deal lol
Come to montreal, but allow us to change the deal a little....maybe make it 7 years instead of 11, and somehow bring the cap hit closer to $6.5M.
I know, I'm a dreamer, but that's what blogs are for, no?
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Your dream isn't necessarily a bad one. Why is it that all sorts of economic agreements made bad by the current business environment can be renegotiated, but not players contracts? I think Tampa should certainly pay for being stupid. However, the terms of that deal make Vinny unmovable unless a greater fool can be found. I am also part of the camp of posters that thinks the Habs are being doubly screwed by the NHL. We send honestly made funds to support BS franchises only to see them get preferential treatment in the draft. That's just not right. (Four straight Cup winners in Montreal and -- cough, cough even Toronto -- would be better than the Stanley Cup returning to Canada only on winning players' visits.)
"What is good for the Montreal Canadiens is good for the NHL!" Sam Pollack
Ummm.........I don't even know where to begin with that comment
What?!
Having Muller behind the bench and not Don Lever tells me something is terribly wrong with our organizatiion and for Bobby letting him go being directed by Pierre Boivin tells you that the organization is headed for bad times in the future.
Do we not have class as an organization for Bobby to sit down Don end expain to him why he was let go?
Even the owner of the Bulldogs is stunned by Pierre and Bobby's actions were.
Face it. Bobby's just a puppet on a string. The problem is Pierre Boivin who is ruining our franchise deeper and deeper as President of our club.
"We will win the Cup one day only with a mature Carey Price in the nets"
I agree that the Habs are supposed to be a class act and yes they do appear that way most times. Lever was stabbed in the back like Ryder and Roy and Begin and Streit . Reward the players and coaches who show they want to win and get rid of the slackers in the future. It seems Montreal treated lafleur the same years ago as well but protect players and coaches who should have never been in the Habs organization in the first place. Thats why we have been waiting for a cup for so long! Mark Streit another mistake that should have cost Gainey his Job. Bob you better bring us some real talent this time or you will be in the Habs doghouse too this time next year.If you cant bring the results then get out of the business ,but your saving grace may be hiring Martin as head coach.
Pierre Boivin has absolutely no say about what goes on with the hockey operations. He is a front-office man in a suit.
Before everybody goes on about the value of Don Lever, let's see how many teams start tripping over themselves trying to beat down his door for a coaching position.
Don't be fooled by Pierre Boivin being a silent front-office man behind the desk.
Boivin is a powerful man in our organization and he makes the major decisions on our team. Bobby is just a messenger and reports to him on a daily basis.
He directed Bobby to do the dirty work by getting him and Julien Brisebois to axe our 2 fine coaches in Hamilton.
Mark my word, the next coach will be a French Canadian coach in Hamilton or if the team is shuffled to St. John's.
You have to blame Pierre and the organization for leting Lever and Wilson let go so late after the season. Many teams have their coaches signed or locked up for the season whether that be in the NHL or AHL.
Only our team is lagging behind for a D coach and a |Goaltending coach.
Why Toronto picked up Francois Allaire surprises me. Why did we not pick him up sooner?
"We will win the Cup one day only with a mature Carey Price in the nets"
I'm not the one being fooled by Pierre Boivin's capabilities. He is strictly a SUIT. He has no responsibilities concerning hockey operations. Gainey was hired by Gillett to oversee all hockey operations. Choose to believe otherwise, but it's a fact. Boivin doesn't have a clue about running a hockey team.
As for Don Lever, his contract expired this year, so he basically had the opportunity to approach other teams and get a position before his contract expired. The fact that he didn't and no one approached him says volumes.
Francois Allaire was hired by the leafs as a part-time consultant and his expertise is the butterfly style. Melanson, a student and teacher of that style, didn't help Price, so I really don't see how Allaire could have helped him. Price is more of a hybrid goalie.
As for the other coaches not hired as of yet, training camp is a long way off and Martin will make his choices soon enough.
I didn't agree with lever or wilson getting fired either. Your point about the next bulldog coach being french is probably dead on. Any chance it could be carbo? Possibly patrick roy? Its going to be a crazy summer here none the less.
Remember before the season started last year and we had a discussion about mikhail grabovski. I said the KHL will come calling this offseason and you called me "ridculous" for saying such a comment.Well here is the story right here.Pay special attention to the 3rd paragraph from the bottom.
http://mapleleafshotstove.com/index.php/2009/06/22/cash-or-pass-%e2%80%93-the-grabovski-chronicles/
Sleep well in the knowledge that the head guy behind the Habs' bench is Jacques Martin. How Gainey was able to keep his "Cup worthy" greatness from the other 29 GMs is testimony to what a shrewd operator he is. The dude is a taller and wider Sam Pollack.
Are you referring to the same Jacques Martin whose Senators finished first in the division 3 times and were swept four straight in the first round 2 of those times? I really don't think the Habs need any more of that kind of a "performance" here. And don't forget that those 'achievements' were realized with a team that had far more talent than the Habs have at present. Everyone knows the real season begins in April and Martin is sporting a .447 winning percentage in that season (provided his teams even qualify). Be afraid...be very afraid.
What makes you think Muller is so bad? The assistants spoke to Bob and to Jacques and they made their choice. Muller has a good rapport with the players, and I've never really noticed any great communication between Jarvis and the players. I doubt this is the first time a "classy" organization fired a coach over the phone.
Get over it. Bob had to be in NY so took care of this the way he thought would involve as little distruption as possible.
On to more important things, like a real D coach, and a goalie coach.
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Then please tell me why Muller has better credentials than Don Lever.
Don had absolutley no problems with the Bulldogs players he coached, In fact this year, was a rebuilding year for the Dawgs in Hamilton and he surprised alot of skeptics out there by finishing second in their division and taking them to the playoffs before being eliminated by a good farm team of the Red Wings the Grand Rapids Grifins.
What has Muller accomplished behind he bench in his tenure in Montreal?
"We will win the Cup one day only with a mature Carey Price in the nets"
Remember kids.....if you get Vincent, Martin, and Ranger from Tampa Bay, you don't really need to be concerned with signing players between June 26th and July 1st. YOU HAVE THE POWER THEN!! Anyone that doesn't want to sign under the terms that Bob Gainey offers can....two words....one rhymes with DUCK and the other is OFF!!
Loved Jarvis as a player, but he's far from being what a coach needs to be. A coach (assistant, associate or otherwise) must show passion and leadership skills. I don't think that Doug possesses these qualities. I think THAT is the reason he got canned.
Thanks for the memories, Doug, and good luck to you in the future.
Uh, isn't it possible that Gainey and co. are just focused on the draft? Seems more likely than the imminent arrival of the messiah.
so a deal might be going down? i'd figure we might be trading partners with colorado...the 3rd overall pick would probably be easier to obtain and we still have a shot at any of the 3 tavares, hedman or duchene depending on what NYI and TB decide they want. i figure we could probably get away with plekanec + 1st.
it could also be interested if we swapped a player for wojtek wolski
- Pride + Envy = Second Place
It was a tough job to command of him...the guys played as a forward...even if he was a great defensive forward it's a different world when you're playing on defence...Still a great classy guy...
Larry Robinson if you're reading this...we need you to coach our defensemen please...
Knowing is Half the Battle...
Hate to see anyone go unless they're doing an awful job, but I think they made the right decision. Muller has the potential to improve his coaching game ten fold. He is a very passionate person on the bench and you can tell that he can add that extra boost of energy from the bench.
Jarvis was one of the very best face off guys in the league, but he was not able to coach the technique.!
So why was Jarvis coaching the defense?
THe key thing is WHEN he was good at faceoffs. His technique may not apply to the "New" NHL.
I always thought it odd that Jarvis ran the PP while Muller ran the PK unit.
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I disagee. Talking to some Bulldogs players past and present have nothing but praise for Dougie when he coached in Hamilton and was a good tutor to some in helping them on the faceoffs eventhough his jobe was as a defensive coach.
"We will win the Cup one day only with a mature Carey Price in the nets"
The only guy who's faceoffs improved in leaps and bounds was Laps.
and wasn't he also responsible for the D?? lol.
perfect news. although i would have liked to hear Gainey was signing Kovalev this week. the blockbuster deal theory sounds right. or at the very least, Gainey is keeping his plate clean which means talks with Tampa (the biggest contract out there) are still open.
BecAuse they were too STUPID to learn it!
Gainey's blockbuster deal will probably be signing Gui! to a 20 year 120M contract. Maybe Huet is coming back? Or Breeze will finally hang them up and step behind the bench to teach our defense troops his glorious outlet pass. Either way, this WILL be a blockbuster.
Oh, and talk about HIO going all fancy-shmancy with that new editor for the comments. <b>B</b> and <i>I</i>? Crazy.
Rich text editor?!?!?! More like a bloated, band-width consuming, limited featured, HTML chewing, idiot-proofing, bells and whistles only waste of browser space.
I agree, it's slowing me waaaaaaay down. drop the rich text boys.
talk about a misleading headline.
I was thinking the same thing. Did Eklund hack into Stubbs' account?
According to Elliott Price, how the Don Lever and Ron Wilson firing actually went down:
Bob calls Don, "Hey Don...do me a favor and call Ron Wilson and fire him. When you've done that, give me a call. I have something to tell you."
LOL....I love it.
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Almost happened to me like that one time - they were going to have me lay off half my department then me, but Human Resources mgr wouldn't let them do it that way so I was lucky enough to get it first.
The NHL is such a BS league. Could they not figure out the bloody cap months ago? All of the regular season figures have been in for weeks now. I suppose this fits into some large Bettman strategy to generate hype about the league and increase player movement. The fact that they publish the cap so late in the game makes it absolutely impossible for teams to get all their ducks in a row by July 1, let alone by draft day.
The Bettman era needs to be over. I have nothing but spite for that little nerd.
Put a toga on Bettman,stick a fiddle in his hand and you have Nero!
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Or even better, use a % based salary cap. It's so simple that it simply doesn't make sense not to use it.
Nice avatar, lol.
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"You're fired." - email from Bob Gainey
Chorske, probably had to wait until all the figures were in after the playoffs.
Bettman Socialist Hockey League = BSHL
I'd rather have a cap than see another stacked Colorado team or Edmonton team.
I thought you said have a crap for a second there. It's the revenue sharing I can't stand. Why should taking a crap teams push harder when other teams fill their own bowls.
Many here in good ol Kingston will be happy for Kirk, but I'm a bit surprised that Jarvis was let go....only because he was Gainey's guy and their friendship goes way back. Kirk was obviously Carbo's guy and I thought he'd be the odd man out. Coupled with the firings down on the farm, I'm wondering if Gainey is calling the shots or is someone else pulling the strings here?
These two moves seem completely out of Gainey's character and approach over the past few seasons. I'm happy for good ol Kingston boy Kirk and I hope Martin hires someone to coach the D who actually played the position...
Hey Rick,
That's why I thought he'd get reassigned within the organization. I have had my doubts about the shot calling but I just think Gainey would step down if that were the case.....I think that is how his exit will go down....him walking away....writing is kind of on the wall with Martin coming in but the timeline is probably up to Bob as he has done great things if you assess the big picture over his tenure. I can't possibly see them going without a dman coach again....that was some weird stuff......although Jarvis arguably spent more time in his own end anyway.....I mentioned a couple weeks back that Eric Desjardins left his post in Philly to pursue "something else"....that is who I am crossing my fingers for.
I'll probably see you at the rink this winter .........R Mayo.
I have a feeling that Bob knows what he's doin'! Deals are prolly worked out for Kovy and Tang. And Komi he's tried talking. The bad news is that we have to WAIT!
LOOK AT THIS! One guy wants a 40M$ cap which has to mean that Vinny will be traded. Which way with Bettman go? http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/277020.html
Bettman is going to opt with whatever keeps Vinny in Tampa.
He knows Tampa is dead as a franchise without him. And if the rumour that he's bringing Martin St Louis along are true, that's doubly bad for Tampa.
So I will keep my cynical hat on and say that Bettman is going with Barrie.
I hate to interrupt the big trade talk....so I will make this brief. Has anyone ever seen a photo of the Roadrunner without that huge smile on his face? This guy is the real poster boy for the Canadiens. He is the next guy to Jean Beliveau when it comes to class and passion for the Canadiens.
OK, back to the blockbuster talk........
Niclely said Tommy!
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Tommy, he always carried himself very well. nice man!
My honest thoughts while reading this - "Why in the name of God is he talking about a looney-toon....Ah....right....Yvon".....
I need more coffee.
He's a class act in every way, Tommy.
Dave Stubbs
Habs Inside/Out
Sports Columnist/Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette
A class Act?
Yvan would respond to me during an autograph signing. Savard & Robinson did!
Be sure to let me know when the signing session for your book is scheduled....I want to be first in line. You, sir, are a class act!
was there many people there? I imagine he cant speak to everyone, although you make yourself sound pretty special so i dont know what Yvan was thinking...and i think you got one part of your sentence wrong, probably the main point of it...
"I went to see a fight the other night...And A hockey game broke out!" ~Rodney Dangerfield~
LOL...what a shock...MR HAB complaining. I guess we should all think he's classless since he didn't sign an autograph for MR HAB.
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Can you read Habsrule1?
I said(but I left out "would not") that he did not respond to me. I did not say he did not give me his autograph....
Learn to read Boy!
Boy? LMAO!
So, that just makes your post even stupider. Who cares if he didn't respond to you?
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
a little ironic dont ya think?? your telling him to learn to read, yet your wording misconstrued your point...
"I went to see a fight the other night...And A hockey game broke out!" ~Rodney Dangerfield~
Haha seriously, that's what I was thinking!
No wonder he didn't respond, probably couldn't even understand what the hell you were trying to say haha
"Obviously it would be great, but they don't really hang conference titles in this rink. They raise Stanley Cup banners." - Carey Price
I'll never forget when his back gave out and he had to retire. That was a sad day for me. :(( One of my favourite Habs captains ever.
I don't see waiting till after the draft as an issue since:
Komi stated he is testing the market,
Kovi probably has a deal worked out just not signed,
Koivu will be allowed to walk,
Tanguay is the big unknowm but it appears Bob has been working it,
rest of the UFA's are not key, sign them or replace them from below or others UFA's
Glad Jarvis is gone...maybe now we get a real D-Man coach.
From Hell's Heart I Slap At Thee!!
Chelios would be a great pickup for a D coach. Sorry Breezer.
Gotta disagree on that one. Chelly's made some great contributions to the game (getting Saskin toasted among them). But he's hardly the type to fade into the background and play mentor. Would love to see a D-man behind that bench, though.
Why sign any of them before July 1st. Did they perform in April? Well then. And wasn't that what the majority of posters were screaming for if they didn't perform, to let them go?
OUT WITH MOST OF THEM!! Only Schneider and Lang(with a possibility of Tanguay).....we need room to welcome BIG SUPERSTARS, the one's that should have always been playing for Les Canadiens...Vincent and Martin!
Can we trade Gillett for Vinny?
All it means is that Gainey will sign no UFAs or RFAs until the draft is done. It doesn't "mean" anything else. Stop reading between the lines; there isn't anything there.
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Beliveau is the best that ever was.
No, it also means we don't have any of these guys signed four days before the free-agent period. Where's the incentive for them to NOT test free-agent waters? It's not there.
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