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Canadiens won't let Laraque switch to No. 27
posted by Kevin Mio at 10h16 EST on Oct 13
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When i hear of the # 27 .. In a Habs Uni ... I think of Corson.... Not Kovalev...... Corson was a warrior!!!!
Well Corson was a wimp compared to Frank Mahovalich, now there was a warrior!
...as a Fan that was privileged to watch and recognize Real Elite Hockey Players (Our Montreal Canadiens: 1950 to 1993) over so many years ...I have been truly bewildered WHY a proportion of Our Fan Base ever allowed Themselves to be conned-into considering Alex Kovalev deserving as an icon of Montreal Canadiens Hockey
...it was not until I learned about the Habs-Inside-Out page about a year or so ago that it sunk-in to My thick head that so many Posters and Canadiens' Fans had this deep love-affair ...obsession with this player, ...whom seemed to Me, more 'an Entertainer' ...BUT an also undependable, detached and too often uneffective Hockey Player
...Yes ...there are Great Players that are also 'Entertainers' ...but for Montreal Canadiens' Fans to be so easily bamboozled by this pretender, and inadequate player for so long, has left Me questioning My former-confidence that Habs' Fans were The connoisseurs of hockey talent and style, I previously, maybe arrogantly, assumed.
...MAYBE ...so much losing and mediocre hockey over these past years has lowered Our Own standards and abilities of Hockey Sense
...it would be interesting to understand the age demographics of Our Kovalev Fans ...I would not be surprised the predominant age groups would be Fans that were not old enough to see Our Great Players/Teams play in-person
...to Myself Alex Kovalev represented how much My beloved Team, and It's Fans, have declined in It's hockey-sense and hockey-character over these unfortunate years of mediocrity.
...IF there was ONE Best Result of Bob Gainey's Enema To The Team this past July, was the good-fortune for Us that Kovalev did not answer his phone
...it WAS The Bowel Movement Our Team needed
...I can't understand WHY 27 was NOT given to Laraque ...if it was ?, in My mind I would hear the toilet flushing
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049
First, you've got to relax a bit. Second, if Gainey had surrounded the skilled guys like Kovy with some good goal tending and some serious grit two years ago, you wouldn't be making your own comments.
Go Habs Go
Whoever decided that BGL couldn't switch to No. 27 because it would upset Kovalev fans should be fired. C'mon Boone, earn the money for your pastries and find out who told him he couldn't wear 27.
Shayne Corson meant more to me as a Hab fan than Kovalev ever did. Hell, so did Rick Chartraw and maybe even Lucien Deblois. Don't even get me started on Frank Mahovlich.
Right now, Kovalev means slightly more to me than Mariusz Czerkawski, Gilbert Delorme or Patric Kjellberg. Four seasons and a bit of inconsistent play, pouting and long walks with Bob Gainey means his jersey isn't available? Give me a break.
I can see hanging on to No. 11 for a year or two before doling it out again (please note Koivu's career high in points was matched as a Canadien by Stanley Cup winner Ryan Walter, exceeded twice by Stanley Cup winner Kirk Muller and his career-high in goals (a piddling 22) was exceeded four times by four-time Stanley Cup winner Yvon Lambert... but I digress).
But if it is true that No. 27 isn't available for BGL, someone should feel shame.
I can only assume this is BGL joking around. Who in their right mind wants to wear #27 (or even #11 for that matter) when both KOVY and KOIVU were essentially the 'face' of the CANADIENS for the last five and nearly 20 years?
Rediculous. Really.
--I will die a delirious fan and never apologize for it!--
okay the comment system here needs some serious tweaks
Funny, last time I checked #27 wasn't retired. Should be fair game. Gio got my boy Higgy's #21 because Higgy is no longer a HAB. Higgy had just as many years with Montreal as Kovy did, plus Montreal drafted him. They are both gone, their numbers should be up for grabs. Not saying that it wasn't weird seeing someone else wear Higgy's number but you get over it.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________ "This kid is going to win a Stanley Cup one day and hopefully I'll be with him when that happens" - Saku Koivu
BGL appologized for his ad with the hot chicks... now I have 0 respect for him.
lets see all his "good" points
- he will only fight when someone accepts his offer
- he vouches for PETA
- he appologized for being in an AD with hot babes...
- he wants Kovy's jersey number
With all due respect to Kovy fans, he is no longer a Hab, IMO any current player including Laraque can wear #27 or any other available number. After all, a departed player do not have the patent nor the copyrights to their former numbers. Sheesh!
Being a fan of a particular player who's no longer with our team is OK but the former player's number is not sacrosanct and shouldn't be a problem to be worn by someone else.
I would have no problem if Gionta claimed #27
But Laraque#27 - no way!
kovalev had no business wearing the 27 it was disrespectfull to corson fans
He took it after Mariusz Czerkawski, who had 14 points in 2003. I guess Corson would rather accept Kovalev wearing that number, than the guy who was demoted to Hamilton having his contract bought out shortly after. :)
all kidding aside
do kovalev fans not realize there was no bidding war for the guy as a UFA
even ottawa doesnt really want him
do they ever ask themselves why?
Was there a bidding war for Gomez?
As for Kovalev...
He was 4 years as a Hab.
3 times out of 4 he was # 1.
Last time such stats were made by Mark Recchi a decade before Kovalev came.
Looks like he was not that bad as you try to picture him.
I made it just for you. These are facts, not emotions. So, there is no reason to get excited.
http://i38.tinypic.com/2hr3fnn.jpg
We know what we know. And time will show what is next.
not too sure about the details as to how many other teams were in on gomez when sather signed him, not too sure what this has to do with the subject at hand however...
and im aware of kovalev's stats thank you thats not my problem with him however...
For NY Gomez was a salary dump. For us he is a top player.
Will see if he shows same stats as Kovalev.
Moreover, keeping AK in the team , would allow BG to find one more D for ~2.5M before the home opener.
im not hyping up gomez nor do i really like him (i thought the discussion was about kovalev?)
i pointed out that teams werent clammoring in line to aquire his services and you asked if the same was said for gomez, who we traded for, who wasnt a UFA like kovalev
you becomming unhinged here buddy lol
(also by your logic who would be centering kovalev then?)
Man I go drinking beer tonight.
I promise, after a case or two I'll be really unhinged. Or even berserk.
Maybe I'll go fight Laraque in his bar to make him prove his right to wear #27.
If he disintegrates me it'll be all your fault.
Later
be safe
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I think Laraque should have his number changed...to zero, because that's what his contribution to this team is...a big, fat ZERO. He should wear a mask every time he goes to collect his paycheck, because it's robbery.
what a big mistake not signing KOVY... as for LaPEBBLE...how dare he want to wear that jersey...try to do your job which is enforcement 'pre & post referee"...get it?, your presence must deter idiotic runs at our talent, but if it happens you must make them pay, if you cannot do your job we don't want or need you.
and right now...your not doing your job....enough of those B.S. staged fights which do NOTHING to help the team, we need tough plays in the heat of battle, those are momentum swings that can help us win games.
FIGHT IN THE HEAT OF BATTLE, not those staged CHARADES.
1.The N.A.G. Veteran & Youth Movement will bring us glory...
Though the article doesn't go into specifics, sounds like some people aren't taking too kindly to his commercials either: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2009/10/13/laraque-ad-sexist.html
gimme a break
I have zero problem with Laraque changing numbers, he just should have asked before the season began.
"... et le buuuuut!"
Alex is a Senator, if Laraque wants to wear 27, let him.
Now he loves animals. Hopefully, this will lead to him hating someone on another team. No snow yet but it seems we've got our share of flakes. Koivu could put this dope on his butt. Call Anaheim.
Who's Kovalev?
Puck hogging Russian who showed up on occasion
Im pretty sure it's that Artist guy that we let go...hmm..not sure anymore
----- go habs f*ckin go, AMEN!!! -----
They don't want him taking #27 because moving his t-shirts right now is hard enough without them being out of date.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
How do you figure they'd be any "more out of date" than they already are? Get used to it, Kovalev's gone!
George, you have not put 17 players in their proper place yet ,"on their Butts: let alone 27. Score just a couple of goals before asking again. You have to give a little to get a little George.
Ridiculous? My boy just came back from a trip to Montreal with a sweet Laraque T-Shirt, and I'm sure he'd be pretty peeved if he changhed his number. The organisation knows there's a lot of merchandise out there.
As far as the sanctity of #27 -- maybe not for everybody but the bed's not cold yet from Alexei's departure. Nobody's gunna ask to retire it for god's sake, but maybe a couple years of moratorium on 27 (and 11) would be nice.
Why did you not advise your son to buy a t-shirt with a halfway decent player's number on it?
Oh well. I guess kids have to learn from their mistakes ;-)
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
WHAT!!!! That's so dumb. Not to mention if fans have a Kovy jersey they could get Laraque stiched on the back and update a jersey they won't want to wear anymore.
This is completely ridiculous. Who cares about Kovy? Last time I checked he's hanging his helmet about 200km west of the Bell Centre these days.
Now, if their concern was the hundreds (dozens?) of fans that went out and dropped $280 on a Laracque jersey, I'd see their point.
Tonight he's hosting a charity fashion show on the Marché Bonsecour. And it's not in Ottawa, believe me.
http://lejournaldequebec.canoe.ca/journaldequebec/artsetspectacles/celeb...
If you don't care about Kovy that doesn't mean all fans in the town neglect him.
I'm pretty sure there are more people standing for Kovalev than for 3/4 of the present team as a bulk.
By the way, someone has to tell BGL that he wears the same number as Valery Kharlamov did
Who was the idol of Kovalev. Hense, that number is even greater than 27.
What is next with the guy i mean geez you suck as a hockey player and the number you wear will not change that why don't you do us all a favour and hang up your skates and jerserys for good
Kovy's gone. If BGL wants it, and he thinks he'll play better or be luckier with it, give it to him - maybe he will. I sure as hell won't make the mistake of thinking it's Kovy on the ice!
He won't be on the team anymore when Kovy comes back in 2 years.
Respectfully,
Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Major-General of Fort Gainey Demolitions Depot, Rear Admiral of the II-Class Destroyer Red Armada, and Under-Secretary of Defense of The Flannel.
I also have this feeling that Montreal has not seen the last of alex kovalev. Who knows, it might even be sooner than 2 years (if a trade were to occur), Ive certainly seen stranger things happen.
Kovalev doesn't even play for us anymore and the organization is still stroking his massive ego...
Its not like Frank Mahovlich just left the team....give Big George the number...nuff Kovalev...he's Ottawa's nightmare now...Go Habs Go !!
hey, how about changing to #00... fitting.
How about they work out a deal with George...when he scores a goal as a Hab he can have #27. That should give more then enough time for all the merch to sell.
That's hilarious....nice one!
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Not to undermine the reporter's efforts but way back in september, François Gagnon told us about it.
But then again, Gagnon's piece was all about BGL nouveau, the circus-less one. Now he's back in the spotlight with his Octane ads...
Can't stay away from it....
Good, changing numbers is stupid. It's also a pain in the *** for fans who buy shirts and jerseys (bwahaha...someone owning a Laraque jersey). So no, he shouldn't be allowed to. Stick with one number please.
Bob is just showing a little respect to a player that loved being here - especially when the heat was turned up. A player that for the better part of the last 3 seasons was more visable than our Captain. A player that carried this team to first place in the East a couple of seasons back, only to have the goalie that helped get them there traded for a 2nd round pick at the deadline. Given the way Kovalev's exit was handled by all parties, and him being on record as saying he would have liked to stay, and hopes to return - isn't it in poor taste of BGL to ask for it?
Cheers to Bob for acknowledging what he meant (means) to the fans.
While I can't get 100% behind your argument (I think both sides of this one are moot), I am 110% behind your choice of avatar and handle.
Its ok, the Kovi HATERS (and they are haters, they arent just non-fans, or indifferent) make me sick also...
I love how people will stick up for koivu, and say he never had the supporting cast to excel game in and game out, yet they wont give kovalev the same respect...
They were both equally tremendous players for us, and were there for our team when it counted. STop hating on kovalev just because he didnt score every single game, or took "nights off". Kovalev never took a night off, some nights he just tried to do too much on his own.
If you ever play a head to head fantasy hockey pool, you'll learn just how many streaky scorers there are in the NHL when you see how many players rip it up for you one week, and dont do a thing the next. ITs not just alexei kovalev!
I like both of them alot....kinda wish they were still here. That being said, nobody can convince me Kovy had as much of an impact on the organization as Saku did. And that being said, I disagree with people who say Kovy only played every 4 games or whatever. Sometimes he did do too much and sometimes he lost the puck doing it, but my contention has always been that it was because he tried to hold on to the puck until a linemate got open, and unfortunately, his linemates were usually not good enough to get open quick enough.
If Cory Clouston is smart, he'll have Kovy play with the best players he can. Kovy would thrive playing with talented players on a regular basis....maybe someone like Gomez or Gionta!
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
"I love how people will stick up for koivu, and say he never had the supporting cast to excel game in and game out, yet they wont give kovalev the same respect..."
but they werent criticized for the same thing
apples and oranges (which is a stupid expression but thats another debate)
people stood up for koivu because he was unfairly criticized over not being able to win the cup
and for only speaking 3 languages
kovalev never had to face either of these criticisms
the gripes against him were to wake the hell up
Yeah but Koivu was never the goat for his play on the ice. Nobody ever demanded more from koivu on the ice (at least that was my perspective all these years). I never had a problem with the language he spoke, and I always admired his involvement in the community. Fact of the matter is no one in the media called out koivu for all his foolish penalties he would take at inopportune times, or in the offensive zone. Nor did they call out koivu for the games where he would disappear. Nor would they call him out for never placing the onus on his shoulders as the captain after a loss. Koivu is Koivu. He is who is, and he performed to the best of his abilities, and gave his heart and soul for over 10 years! Kovalev was billed as "one of the most skilled players in the league", and whether he asked for it or not, he was treated as such, and had expectations placed on him as such. The fact of the matter is, at the end of the day, EVERYONE knew what to expect from alexei kovalev. HE IS A CAREER STREAKY SCORER, and just because we wanted him to be a consistent force, doesnt make it a fair expectation to have of him, and does not mean we should label him a floater, or as someone who didnt give their all game in and game out.
Koivu and Kovalev BOTH played their hearts out for this organization, and deserve to be equally respected and appreciated for their efforts both on the ice and in the community.
I cant really argue with anything you just wrote, that was honest, not fanboyish and not in the crosshairs of my criticisms
good post
I just threw up a little bit. Oops. Sorry if that got on anyone. I suppose you meant, "some fans."
nobody could fake a hand boo boo like our kovie <3
Or singlehandedly defeat the Boston Bruins to make up for his 'mistake'.....
What's that handle? PureGano? Obviously in love with Kovy and not thinking straight.
Nice haircut Ponch...
It looks like you stuck your noggin in that cup there and applied scissors!
It's kind of hard to take a....guy?....with a lid like that seriously, being in this decade and all.
And what's more homoerotic my friend? My little man-crush on Kovalev, or your obsession with blowdrying your Ringo Star tribute?
Your Gainey bashing is much more tired than his haircut, dude. Give it a rest. He's made mistakes, but he has improved the team tenfold, whether or not you care to admit it.
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Gainey bashing?
Tell me friend, how exactly has Bobb-o "improved" this team?
His third year success can be easily attributed to the prospects he inherited from Andre Savard, and the one trade that Gainey made that paid off - Josef Balej to NY for Alex Kovalev!!!!!
That 3rd year I was talking about.....may have ended in a cup if he kept Huet. The throw in goalie from the Bonk trade that Gainey knew nothing about!
Gainey bashing?
Tell me friend, how exactly has Bobb-o "improved" this team?
His third year success can be easily attributed to the prospects he inherited from Andre Savard, and the one trade that Gainey made that paid off - Josef Balej to NY for Alex Kovalev!!!!!
That 3rd year I was talking about.....may have ended in a cup if he kept Huet. The throw in goalie from the Bonk trade that Gainey knew nothing about!
"Gainey knew nothing about"! Don't confuse Gainey with you! You can be SURE Gainey knew about Huet.
He got the most out of Huet, then traded him. Is Huet really that good of an example of someone Gainey let go? He may be the most overpaid goalie in the league right now.
When Gainey took over, the Habs had just missed the playoffs 4 out of 5 years, and had just put up a sparkling 77 points. Since he has taken over, they missed the playoffs ONCE with, I believe, 91 points.
I hope that's not putting things in too complicated a way, but that's as dumb downed as I could manage.
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
At the time Huet was let go, it was a foolish move that killed the dressing room. Gainey traded for Radek Bonk, and knew little about Huet, and was quoted as saying such. He had never seen him play, and was injured when he was acquired.
Gainey was given a team ripe with prospects, and draft picks - not to mention a lottery pick that he fell into after the lockout, but i've spoken in great depths about how that was squandered already. Goalies are a dime a dozen, and Dale Talon was foolish enough to overpay Huet and Bob wasn't - but getting a second round draft pick, for the best 1b (Huet) goalie in the league at the time - a month away from your un-tested, extremely young (not to mention, tired) rookie goalie makes his playoff debut, was a bad move.
disagreed
we would have lost huet for nothing anyways
it was ballsy to leave it to price, but hey he won his first round (huet didnt)
funniest thing I've heard today!!!
it was hardly singlehandedly
Kovalev got berated for over-selling a Travis Green slash! A dirty, chippy, grinder whacking the gloves of a bonafide superstar with his stick!....and no penalty? Sheldon Souray - being the great team player that he is, criticized him, and called him out after the game. After that, it was all Kovalev. He's the only player that has worn that uniform in at least 15 years that could change a game, or series like that. He more than lived up to his part of the bargain playing in Montreal, and I would have loved to see him play a few more years here.
he played well that series no doubt but jose theodore was probably the reason we won that series
other than that, kovy had one great season, one great hit against tucker
and thats it
thats his career as a hab
The goalie cant score my friend
The "Tucker Hit" was the single greatest Hab-moment since 1993.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khywEqMgtUI
Your reply just about defines the word myopia in this circumstance.
This is a team that famously turns 30 goal scorers into 20 goal scorers. It has squandered draft picks, and under-developed prospects. It has made a horrible decision to play a young Frenchmen in the show, when he should have stayed in the minors. We have wasted a fifth overall pick on a goaltender in a draft that was laced with big centermen. Price will be Gainey's Doug Wickenheiser! We have traded reliable back-ups when we needed them the most, and let not one, but two of the best offensive defensemen in the league walk - the second without even making him an offer. Then, we make a huge offer to a defenseman that can block shots, and hit - but couldn't make a pass to save his life, or (gasp) score...or even shoot. I mean, thank God he went to Burkville. All of our young prospects are looking dimmer each game - Stewart, Dags, Pax, both Kostitsyns, Chipchura, Price, La'useless.... This team has no leader! and you have the nerve to call me nearsighted for wishing we would have signed Kovalev? He was the one shining bright spot in the last decade of Canadiens Hockey! The superstar that actually wanted to play here, and enjoyed the pressure. I watched every single game the man played, and the only thing he was guilty of, was trying to much.
Let me ask a question to everyone here. What would you rather have - Kovalev mailing it in for 25 games, still producing in other ways, on and off the ice, with 30 goals and 40 assists? Or Gionta for the same money playing his heart out every game and scoring 20 goals and getting 30 assists?
I like the new habs, but Gionta and Gomez are not an upgrade from Koivu and Kovalev - it's kind of moving sideways and paying more! Gainey should have signed Alex and saved some cash for a big fish.
I didn't say you were nearsighted for wanting to re-sign Kovy. I said, you saying his hit on Tucker was the Habs greatest single moment of the last 16 years was nearsighted. This in the context of debating Kovy's value to a team.
Having said that, the fact is there aren't many highlights over that stretch and it was a satisfying moment. Definitely a memorable one. It does deserve consideration as such. Others' opinions bare that out.
Oh, and at this point in their careers, I would prefer to have Gionta. Not by much granted, but considering their age and the fact that Kovalev's departure has lightened the mood on the team, I think it will prove beneficial.
I agree with the age logic.
I can't help but wonder what Kovalev felt like as he watched talented winger, after talented winger benched, criticized, sent down, called out, traded, run out of town by Gainey and Carbo while Latrendesse got a free pass. Samsonov was a bad signing! He was not the player we needed in any way, shape or form - and he became Carbo's whipping boy while Gui played...and played..
Let me be clear here - I have nothing against Gui, I just think his development was handled poorly. I am not defending Sammy either...I think both mishandlings are related to a poor communicator in the gm chair.
this is just riddled in lulz
I'm happy you like it.
come on your assessment of price is horribly unfair
and your comment about lacking leadership (which i agree with at this point) then indicating kovalev as a remmedy for that is just bizzare
as for the state of the prospects and organization as a hole, were a lot better off than some other teams
and a lot better off than where we were before gainey took over (not saying im against canning him this season but a little perspective goes a long way)
I just gave you five years of Gainey perspective. Every good move forward, he makes two steps back. I honestly believe that Huet and Streit are gone because they threw off his 'plans'. Souray, Streit, Ryder, Zednik, Streit, Huet, Kovalev, Koivu - these guys won us hockey games! - now i am not saying that we should have signed all of them - but we got nothing in return for any of them
sorry - a 2nd round pick for Huet, and Mike Johnson for Zednik.
As for you thinking that Kovalev would have been a bad Captain - I think the record without Koivu in the line-up speaks for itself - and that's not a shot at Saku - I just think the team had more respect for Kovalev.
some of the players we let go, were questionable, but you are aware that EVERY team in the league, loses players, this is especially prevelant under the new CBA
(look at buffalo)
and to say that team without koivu ='s kovalev is a better captain is a very simplistic reach based on nothing but hyperbole
You do realize that Kovy has scored more than 30 goals only 3 times in his entire career, right?
I'm not even going to get into everything else that's wrong about your post.
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
it was a great hit, but the koivu return, was the greatest moment since 93
id rank the hit as a solid 2
Better than the comeback against the Rangers?
I will admit it was a delicious hit and was a great moment... and I would put it in my top 5-10 likely, but it did come at the beginning of a season we missed the playoffs, the only season we did in the past 5 years. Basically, it was, like so many of Kovalev's moments, individual in it's impact.
Though very satisfying to watch over and over again.....
The comeback against the rangers is right after Koivu's return for me.
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