D'Agostini, Laraque still missing

posted by Dave Stubbs at 15h01 EST on Nov 2


• AUDIO: Jacques Martin | Glen Metropolit | Mike Cammalleri | Andrei Kostitsyn (who's not happy)

No sign of Matt D'Agostini or Georges Laraque at today's Canadiens practice, the first the team has been back on the ice since Saturday's 5-4 shootout win over the Toronto Maple Leafs.

D'Agostini is still suffering the effects of the head shot he absorbed last Friday at the expense of an airborne Andrew Ladd of Chicago, while Laraque's back reportedly is still causing him problems.

Defenceman Hal Gill left Brossard ice early after taking a shot off the foot.




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Hope laraqes back keeps him out all season.... he is USELESS...


Mats Naslund's picture

People in Montreal freak out over every little thing. This guy is  bonafide player. He's struggling but there is all kinds of time to turn it around. How many on this board were trying to trade Plex all of last season? What about letting a player get through a rough patch without trying to destroy him? The same thing happened the last few years in Edmonton with Penner, but I'm pretty sure they've changed their tune now that he is 5th in the league in scoring. Are people in Boston freaking out about Recchi? How about John Madden in Chicago? He still has more points than Pacioretti, Latendresse and D'Agostini and yet he's singled out.


I usually don't get into forums like this but after listening to the AK46 audio I just felt I had to ask what is wrong with the reporters in Montreal?  A friend of mine uses the expression 'don't poke the bear' when warning people about stirring up things best left alone.  Why are they trying to create problems in the dressing room?  Do they really need him (AK46) to say something that is going to blow up?  Isn't having half the team being new, the lack of effectiveness on the special teams, the loss of Markov, the inability to win in regulation and the question of who deserves the "C" not enough material to keep them busy?  Come on guys (and gals) give your head a shake and listen to it rattle.  Don't poke the bear!

Bob


Give me a freakin' break. A. Kostitsyn's an over-rated floater and so is his brother. Trade both of them now....First, I read an excellent piece on PK Subban and his experience in Hamilton....his willingness to work to improve EVERYDAY is refreshing....to become a complete player so that he can help les canadiens strive for another Cup. Kostitsyn? He continue's to underachieve complaining about getting 7 minutes a game on the fourth line. Andrei, why don't you do someting about it? Maybe start by playing with a little passion and determination....

I'm sorry, but this guy's attitude doesn't mesh with the climate that Gainey et al are trying to change in this team....Andrei, don't let the door hit you on the way out...


Mats Naslund's picture

Just goes to show you the effect that the media can have in influencing people's opinions. He clearly didn't want to answer the questions and the reporter keeps pecking at him. He doesn't have to the english skills to give the textbook, nuanced "well, I want to be in the lineup, but I understand the coaches decisions". In 2007 nobody complained about his style of play and nothing has changed except for the fact hat as soon as the crazy Montreal media got rid of their favorite punchin bags in Kovalev, Koivu and Brisebois, they quickly moved on to the K bros. 


linp's picture

I fully agree. That's exactly what I have posted.

Thinking back, JM did make it tough for AK. Initially, he was getting his 4 points and there was one game where he made a bad pass resulting in a goal. He was benched the rest of the game. At that time, there were a lot of bad passes from many different players. AK was singled out. JM later told reporters that that play was not in his "system". That event must have impacted AK's confidence on playing JM's "system". AK's understanding of English instruction is not that good. Now he is probably at a loss of what that !@@#$ "system" JM is talking about.


Number31's picture

Tell me about it... I listen to CJAD while at work sometimes, and I just turned it off completely today. Rick Moffat's snarky handling of the Kostitsyn questions were just pissing me off. It reminded me of the bully comment Gainey made, only now it's from the press to a player's face. Uncool.


Willy the bum's picture

Is Laraque using this excuse to make another boobiefest Octane 5.0 commercial or what?

Glen Metropolit... what a guy!


MAC4Ever's picture

So, the lowly islanders are ahead of the HABs in the conference standings.  WTF?


camel_larry's picture

What's that? Colorado has almost double dtroit's points? What did you say? Were you supplying evidence to prove that the standings (to an extent) dont matter yet?

 

Go Habs Go!


DillyDalley's picture

The Montreal D plays poorly in front of CP because they R intimidated by his stick work. They R jealous because CP can move the puck out of the their zone better than they can!

 

 

"Truth! You can't handle the Truth"


sholi2000.com's picture

Carey Price moves the better than most of our defensemen.  That alone should be reason enough for him to play the majority of the games.  That Chicago game was impressive. Too bad the forwards couldn't have turned the Price break out passes into scoring chances.

They call me Shane


DillyDalley's picture

Very true.

I don't care what the CP bashers say but CP is in the top 5 of the best puck handlers in the NHL...

I love to see him handle the puck. Sure he will mishandle it sometimes as does a forward turn over the puck, miss an open net, etc etc etc....

 

 

"Truth! You can't handle the Truth"


Number31's picture

He should try shooting at the other net more instead of passing to guys who might not score. Hey, you never know...


DillyDalley's picture

With all of those 180 ft goals going on he my do it one day!

 

 

"Truth! You can't handle the Truth"


JD_'s picture

In view of Carle being called up to fill in for Gill...

I know I'm chomping on the bit here but I'm kinda hopeful Soobs (Pernell? Ouch.) sees a little NHL action this year. It's still early for him and all that, and I'm pretty sure Martin wants to see his defensive play move up a notch, but just the same.

Just one shift.

Maybe a spin-o-rama or two.

You know.

JD


twocents's picture

I know what your saying, J.D., but that may be playing with fire.

Seeing the bigs, and the bigs seeing P.K., might mess with his head. I honestly think it would be best for him to stay in Hamilburger all year.

Maybe a peek after the roster limits are lifted in the spring, just as a cookie.

Let's get this one dead right.

Besides Carle has earned this and has had some bad luck along the way. he had a very solid year last year after returning from his concussion and has played over two full seasons in the A.

(On another note, I was happy to see how things turned out for Pierre Boivin and that the rumours of his 'snuggling' appear to have been just that, rumours.)


JD_'s picture

I see your peek and raise you a glance, $0.02.

Although I'm in complete agreement it's in the Habs' best interests to take their time with what is possibly the top non-NHL-regular-season-tested prospect in their system, I suspect Soobs might see some ice time before the season is over.

Wouldn't mind seeing Belle back again for another kick at the can, as well. For the most part, I liked the way he handled himself during the last call-up.

JD


crabvader's picture

And a huge smile.


Harditya_CareyPrice's picture

What a year for poolers. This season should be remembered as the year of injuries.

Latest injuries: Staal (Carolina) to miss few games.

Spezza to miss a week.

Ovechkin's not day to day anymore he's week to week.

Simon Gagne to be out 6-8 weeks. 

How many times did I have to change my pool this year??

Some players coming back: Kessel, Elias (NJD)


jmsheehy19's picture

In one pool I have Staal, Ward, and Steit all grossly underachieving (though in Ward's case it's more the team in front of him). In another, I had Gonchar, Markov, Sedin, and Kovalchuck. One team is snake bit and the other is on crutches.


Exit716's picture

Who did the freaking pre-draft interview with Andrei Kostitsyn?

The kid doesn't get it.

Nice one Timmins.

Got any more bright ideas?

 


ooder's picture

maybe the fact that he is pissed of means he DOES get it??? but i guess you are more capable of judgin someones mentality who you have never met

--- we need a kovalev

Kovalev [ka-va-leov]: A player who makes you jump out of your seat with a wicked deke or a sick shot and makes you say: "Did you see that!!"


Harani's picture

NEWS NEWS NEWS!!!! Habs have called up Mathieu Carle from the Bulldogs. He's been called up because of Gill's injury. Nice to see that the Habs want to see the potential in everyone. First Belle, now Carle. RDS reports.

"All you need in hockey is good character, luck and skills" - Ovie


twocents's picture

I am glad they are finally giving Carle a regular season look. I am looking forward to seeing what he can do.

To tell you the truth, I hope when Gill returns he displaces Bergeron.


matraque's picture

Yeah, Gill is very effective on the power play.

14 PP goals is easy to acheive... no problem!

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twocents's picture

Maybe, the way I said that was confusing. What i meant was that when Gill returns, I hope Carle proves capable of taking Bergeron's spot.

Carle has an offensive game too. While 14 goals is nothing to sneeze at, you have to take in account the number of goals Bergeron costs us on defense. Goals for a defenceman don't tell anywhere near the whole story.


yathehabsrule's picture

Just saw Mr. Stubbs tweet on said subject.

 

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ooder's picture

i like the kostitsyn interview... he is showing emotion and knows he ain't producing.

good to see some emotion from this guy :)

--- we need a kovalev

Kovalev [ka-va-leov]: A player who makes you jump out of your seat with a wicked deke or a sick shot and makes you say: "Did you see that!!"


matraque's picture

SK should never be allowed to wear the jersey ever again.  Wearing the Habs jersey is a privilege...  He's waisting everyones time with the Bulldogs as well.  He should be on the sheet every game.  He's not.

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Mattyleg's picture

Just a quick note on Gomez's salary:

Players who come to Montreal lose 50% of their salaries to tax. Why do you think so few FAs want to play here? Giving a 'huge' salary is just a way of giving a 'large' salary anywhere else in North America.


DillyDalley's picture

There R ways of getting out of paying high taxes in Montreal. Something to do with owning a residence in  NY state!

 

"Truth! You can't handle the Truth"


soflohabsfan's picture

thats not the case every player in the nhl who plays in the city of montreal(really the province of quebec) pays taxes to that province the habs pay more cause they play 41 games here but they do get tax breaks when they play tampa and florida for example cause here we haved no state income tax, which is why players who play in florida and tampa actually have it better cause they get 45 games played without state income tax no wonder vinny does not want to play in montreal. nhl players file several diffrent tax returns in a year.

here is a link.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/10852-Insider-Blog-The-taxman-cometh.html


Wait... "50% of their salaries to tax" ... compared to only X% somewhere else.  Net difference (50-X)% .   It's not like they will make 1/2 what they would make if they went elsewhere, unless there was an NHL team in Bermuda.

But, yes, taxes here are a part fo the equation.  Tony Marinaro has a tax lawyer on his show when Briere was considering a hab contract, and the conslusion was that Briere was nuts to come here.

 

 


SmartDog's picture

You have a point - if my last name is Gomez.

It's the same salary cap regardless.  Is that fair?  Maybe not.  But it's the way it is. 

--------------------------------------------------- `Could this team miss the playoffs? Who knows?' - Bob Gainey on the new Habs.


matraque's picture

Nice find... but everyone knows that.

But... i have to ask.  Why did Gionta and Cammalleri signed here then?

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Mike Komisarek: (-2)-0-(-2)

Gainey Haters bandwagon ---> This way


Hasn't Laraque been missing since we got him? I think Gainey bought a lemon.


Exit716's picture

As the old saying goes..."It takes one to know one."

When life gives you lemons....dither around until their best before date has expired and then toss them away for more lemons."

Robert Gainey, celebrity chef and master bread maker.

 


HabsFanInVictoria's picture

I usually am a supporter of Gainey on most things, but the Laraque ordeal hasn't worked out.  If you think about it, at the time we signed him, everyone and their mother was crying for more team toughness.  We wanted a guy who could fight our battles for us and intimidate.  We were fresh off the loss against Philly in the playoffs and Bob saw this as a hole in our roster that needed to be filled.  Who could have predicted that Laraque would have ended up being a dud?  He somehow came home to Quebec and forgot his roots.  He decided that fighting and making a name for himself in that way were no longer necessary.

I don't blame Bob for this, because at the time many believed it was a good signing.  Who could have predicted that he would be so injury prone? 

 

 


linp's picture

Just watched how those NFL players fire up themselves together before the game. I wonder whether the Habs players could do the same thing. It may make AK feeling more being part of the team.


Mattyleg's picture

NFLers don't play 82 games.

And I don't think 3 months on a raft with the others would make him feel closer to the team. The decision is his to make. Plenty of new players came to town, he could have made friends if he'd wanted to.


crabvader's picture

Price is like kryptonite to our d-men; whenever he plays, they play like they're weaklings in front of him.


yathehabsrule's picture

Was looking at some numbers for my blog post...Habs are tied for 2nd in "minor" penalty minutes with 75.

 

Anyone here surprised?

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crabvader's picture

With a little help from the refs in the Toronto game Saturday, lol.


Harani's picture

Andrei talks...His complains: "How can I score goals if  I play 7 minutes? I play two three shifts, feel good and then and sit on bench for 6 minutes." On one hand, I don't blame him coz he is an offensive player and Chipchura and Stewart aren't gonna get him the puck so, expecting him to score from that line is a little unfair. But at the same time, he did get his chance to play with Gomez and also Pleky. This is a sticky situation but I think JM should play him where he belongs, trust him and let him score or send him to the pressbox for one game. He is afterall a 10th overall pick who can pot 30 if he wanted to.

"All you need in hockey is good character, luck and skills" - Ovie


oshawahabsfan's picture

Perhaps he should be allowed to play for more than one game with Gomez and Gionta. Jacques has been summoning his inner Carbo a wee bit much with this situation


SmartDog's picture

I agree. Put him in the press box for a game. Not on the 4th line.

 

--------------------------------------------------- `Could this team miss the playoffs? Who knows?' - Bob Gainey on the new Habs.


yathehabsrule's picture

I think AK46's words did that for him already today.

 

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By game 2 Martin had Gomer Gionta and Cammy together...Last year it was pretty obvious that he and Plecks don't play well together. But you are probably right about the press box. I can see it coming already. We are the only team in the  league who bench their top players.


JD_'s picture

Every team in the NHL does it.

Having said that, every team in the NHL isn't in a city where the sports media reports on what kind of candy their third-line center gave out on Halloween and then questions whether or not it's a choking hazard, which is followed by another story two days later on how Candygate may now be affecting the third-line center's on-ice play, further suggesting some time in Hamilton could fix the problem, unless, of course, a trade can be arranged for Vincent Lecavalier.


Chorske's picture

Absolutely not true. Guys get shifted, move around, all the time. Look at Derick Brassard, who gets split from Nash occasionally, or Jokinen, who moves up and down in the depth chart regularly in CGY.

---Chorske's Rule #1: as the Habs' lead in any given game increases, the probability of a HIO poster predicting an imminent Stanley Cup championship approaches one.


twocents's picture

Oh yeah, ask L.A. about Frolov.

Vinny's practicing on the forth line and he's the captain.

Penner was a scratch several times last year.


Chorske's picture

Again, you come up with way better examples than mine. So true.

The difference in MTL is that we pump up players so unreasonably as fans that we take it personally when they misfire or slump.

---Chorske's Rule #1: as the Habs' lead in any given game increases, the probability of a HIO poster predicting an imminent Stanley Cup championship approaches one.


twocents's picture

Absolutely, that and the fact that Habs's fans seem to think we are the only team in the league with any problems. Reading in here sometimes you'd think every GM in the league, other than Gainey, is a genius.


Chuck's picture

To be a Habs fan, it should be a prerequisite to watch a certain number of games per year that don't involve the Habs. It might cut down on the "sky is falling" posts around here.

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twocents's picture

Chuck, all you have to do is pick up a paper every now and then or visit another website. Honestly, I watch very little hockey outside of Habs' games, nearly nothing outside of the playoffs. I simply don't have the time, I have two kids and probably already devote too much time to hockey as it is. But, I am still aware that everything isn't perfect in every other city.

Heck, the Flyers are paying Jones to play for L.A.! If that happened here, the hue and cry would be deafening.  


Chuck's picture

Could you imagine the outcry if a player who scored the Cup-winning goal against you was essentially being paid by your team? Ouch!

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twocents's picture

Ouch! is right.

In Montreal it would be a riot.


crabvader's picture

Gainey and Martin should try to patch up a little with Sergei and have him play with his brother and Pleks. At least to showcase something good before trading them... If they played very well, however, keep em!

They have the potential to play great because they have in the past. With Plekanec on his A-game, I'd say go for it.


SmartDog's picture

HOT BUTTON QUIZ:

1. Create an AK-Pleks-SK Line or no?

2. Halak and Price - roughly equal or not?

3. BGL - Waste of money or waste of money?

4. Reffing - worse this year or the same?

5. Scott Stevens - hero or villain?

Thoughts.... ???

--------------------------------------------------- `Could this team miss the playoffs? Who knows?' - Bob Gainey on the new Habs.


dpthehabsfan's picture

1. Can't hurt giving it a try.

2. Yes, more or less equal....but I still think the team plays better in front of Halak. Anybody want to try and explain why?

3. Big waste of money...but thats what I've been saying since training camp last year.

4. I never (or almost never) blame the ref's...but there does seem to be a change this year. Compared to the last couple of years, the refs seem to be letting more stuff go. Especially in the 3rd period, which was the way it used to be.

5. Hero. Why do you ask?


Chorske's picture

1. Haven't we tried that already? Perhaps in the event of an injury to a top six forward, recall SK and give it another go. One LAST go.

2. I can't help but feel that Halak is currently better but has plateaued, while Price is still on the steep part of that Fleury-esque learning curve. I think he will be a clear #1 in a couple years.

3. Huge, colossal waste of money. Has been a whiney distraction since day 1.

4. The same. Equally bad. That said, the Habs lack discipline and get disorganized in their own end, and that hurts us WAY more than bad officiating.

5. Depends on whether he's on your team, I guess.

---Chorske's Rule #1: as the Habs' lead in any given game increases, the probability of a HIO poster predicting an imminent Stanley Cup championship approaches one.


oshawahabsfan's picture

1- Yes

2- So far pretty equal, however Price gets the edge for his puck handling ability, which is really noticeable on the PK when Carey clears the zone multiple times on any bad shoot ins

3- Self explanatory, however I must say he was playing fairly well this season

4- Reffing the same, league officials in charge of suspensions are getting worse by the day

5- Ridiculous that the Hall of Fame honoured this cheap shot artist. They can share part of the blame for the current mess this game is in


SmartDog's picture

I agree with all of these - especially 5.

Oh - but I think Halak is a step above Price so far.  I see them as about equal.

--------------------------------------------------- `Could this team miss the playoffs? Who knows?' - Bob Gainey on the new Habs.


oshawahabsfan's picture

I have no problem with them getting an even split of the games. If Carey is the Franchise than such a split would be the best thing for him in my opinion. Competition amongst positions always made the team better when I played. It makes you work harder in practice when you know something's not going to be handed to you, which will in turn make you better in the games


1. Yes. Trying the brothers together can't hurt. I think Andrei is sulking b/c Sergei's issues. Seems like he's got some of his own if he can't figure out why he's 4th line. gotta get those guys playing if they are going to play here or not...

2. No. Price is way better positionally and recovers quicker. Halak has a hard time tracking the puck and seems to look behind him on every goal mouth scrum to see if it went in. Halaks an excellent back up and playing him against weak teams will only build his trade value next year. Team also plays stronger in front of Halak. Look at how Carey got shellacked the first 4 games.

3. BGL couldn't keep up to my kids novice team. And the code is crap...ask Chris Nilan.

4. Seems like they're letting more go.

5. Biggest cheap shot artist in the game...ever.


JD_'s picture

Mark Messier would give Stevens a run for his money on that front.

Some enterprising soul could compile highlights from the last 4-5 years of his Hall-of-Fame career - you know, when his play was waning and he started overcompensating in other ways - and label the first DVD "Mark Messier On The Art Of The Cheap Shot". The follow-up DVD would be "Mark Messier On The Art Of Intimidating The Refs So They Don't Call You On All Those Cheap Shot Techniques You Learned On My First DVD".


Les-Habitants's picture

1.  With all respect to Lapierre, I wouldn't mind seeing a Tender - Plek - AK46 line, or at least it given another opportunity.  SK74 can wait a little while longer.

2.  Price is more talented, and has already accomplished more.  I don't see Halak as a potential franchise goalie, and I see that in Price.  Price is a game changer when he's on his game, whereas Halak doesn't seem to have that.

3.  BGL - if didn't have a such a wonky back, he proved he can actually play hockey....that said, not protecting his teammates when an injustice has been done and being injured doesn't really justify 1.5mil/yr.

4.  Worse this year - but it seems to be across the board.  They are letting a lot more calls go, and just straight-up missing others.  I'm hoping its just early, because the reffing throughout the league has been pretty bad.

5.  Scott Stevens:  villian, but a hall of famer none the less.


Harani's picture

1. Yes please!

2. Pricey! (Better positional play and excellent puckhandling!)

3. Waste of time, energy AND money!

4. Way worse.

5. The hero who turns villain.

"All you need in hockey is good character, luck and skills" - Ovie


crabvader's picture

1. Yes

2. For now, they are

3. Hmmm...I'll choose: waste of money.

4: Always terrible

5: Hero


Oh btw add lapresse, JDM and ruefrontenac.com.....then go to the Montreal Gazette and see once again what I'm talking about. I realize it will probably be in the Gazette tomorrow.


linp's picture

I wish the fans and the media could lay off their attacks on AK for a week or two. Putting all the pressure on him is not going to help him nor the team. Martin should communicate more with him and slowly getting him back up. You couldn't trade him when he is down.


crabvader's picture

We can't say for sure if he is communicating or not. We're not around them.

Martin has been giving Andrei opportunities on the first line. He needs to adjust his game.


He has the same no. of goals as Lecavalier and one more than Spezza, same no of points as Eric Stall and I don't think any of them are on the fourth line. Kovalev went like what 20 games without a goal last year??? And he's everyones favorite goddam player. We have no patience...


crabvader's picture

I have patience. You are, however, comparing the wrong people to A.Kost.

You should be comparing him to: Ryan Getzlaf, Anze Kopitar, Jeff Carter, Dustin Brown, Zach Parise, Corey Perry, ETC.


Chuck's picture

Problem is, it wasn't Andrei that drafted himself ahead of those players. To harp on him for where he was drafted is pointless.

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crabvader's picture

Trust me, I know.


ahh what could have been...


crabvader's picture

It didn't end there! We then went on to draft Cory Urquhart over Shea Weber, Matt Carle and Patrice Bergeron.


Lol touche


crabvader's picture

At least we didn't draft Hugh Jessiman...


SmartDog's picture

Great points.

 

--------------------------------------------------- `Could this team miss the playoffs? Who knows?' - Bob Gainey on the new Habs.


I agree...


Habsrule1 and J.Ambrose. If you wanna complain about my post about the media thats fine. But go to rds.ca and then ckac.com and then come on back to habsinsideout.com. Read the headlines on each site then re-read my OP post and realize what I am saying has some valididty.


crabvader's picture

ANYONE that has a fantasy team:

Pick up James Neal and James Van Riemsdyk.

I knew these kids were going to be good and I drafted them with some of my last picks during the draft. They are panning out VERY well for me!

Van Riemsdyk has 2g 11a and is a +6

Neal has 8g 8a and is a +6

 

Neal has RARELY gone pointless in any of his games so far. In fact, I think he only went two games without a point.

Van Riemsdyk is settling in very well and got 3 assists and was a +2 tonight.

Remember, Van Riemsdyk was drafted 2nd overall behind Patrick Kane!

 


Timo's picture

That is a killer 'stash.


crabvader's picture

It was...RIP.


sholi2000.com's picture

I drafted JVK with my very last pick.  :)

They call me Shane


crabvader's picture

Here's my team:

  • C- Steven Stamkos
  • C- Mike Richards
  • C- Nicklas Backstrom
  • C- Sidney Crosby
  • LW- Ryan Smyth
  • LW- James Neal
  • LW- Ryan Malone
  • LW- James Van Riemsdyk
  • RW- Blake Wheeler
  • RW- Claude Giroux
  • RW- Jakub Voracek
  • RW- Ales Kotalik
  • D- Matt Carle
  • D- Alex Goligoski
  • D- Drew Doughty
  • D- Kimmo Timonen
  • G- Ryan Miller
  • G- Craigh Anderson
  • G- Marc-Andre Fleury

Extras & IR: D- Matt Gilroy, D- Tyler Myers, C- Patrice Bergeron, D- Ryan Whitney, LW- Milan Lucic, RW- Marian Hossa


sholi2000.com's picture

How many people are in your league?  5?  That's an incredible team!

They call me Shane