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mostly talk about goaltending and d...but the reality is that this team has one the weakest bunch of scorers in the nhl..you cant win every night 2-1 ...if washington comes out motivated and up for the game we have almost no chance to win but if they come out not so motivated and we at least keep the pp vs pk even we have a chance...but the way the roster is today and our future prospects this team will have trouble scoring every night this year and next year. we give up 4 goals certain lose most nights...3 goals only hope o/t ..the grind of most games 2-1 will catch up in a long season...
Would like to have seen him stay and play, see if he is part of the future. MAB is not.
I preferred him or Leach to Bergeron. Though to be fair, Bergy hasn't been as bad these last 3 games.
Yep, he has more value than a few weeks ago. Still very hard to watch at times, though. Stuff you see in Bantam/Midget, then makes a decent play. Concentration?
I thought Carle deserved a few more games in the big leagues, but I'm glad he'll get some playing time in Hamilton. It was useless to keep him up to sit him in the pressbox.
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Here's a question: who pays Leach's salary if we waive him and he is claimed? Right now, since we picked him up on recall waivers, we pay 1/2 his salary and the Devils pay 1/2.
If someone claims him if he is waived, they pay 100% of his salary. But which salary? 100% of our 50% or 100% of the entire salary? In other words, would someone claiming him get the Devils off the hook for his half of the salary?
It gets even more interesting if you talk about him getting waived with no claimants, sent down, and then later recalled and claimed.
Anyone know? Just curious - not saying the guy should be waived.
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If he gets waived,he automatically goes back to the devils.
Thanks.
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all the SK love in is gonna make my puke. how many of you even bother to tune in the Bulldogs games? last nights 10:30 game following ours for intance? SK was invisible, and we got pounded. Anyone who thinks he's our saviour is out to lunch.
The real problem was trading Grabovski. He and the two Kost bros could've made a pretty good line.
Just to be fair to the Habs, recall that Grabovski created the problem, similar to SKost. Teams cannot tolerate that stuff.
Not a saviour, just a guy who might help out a bit when we're down a Top 6 forward and no one is on the team who can really fill his shoes. Montreal needs scoring, but I do feel Sergei needs a bit more time in Hamilton before he gets a call-up.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
I never heard a single poster refer to SK as a savior. What some posters realize is that SK has definite offensive skills, something the Habs sorely require.
To keep him out of our depleted lineup because of personal reasons or to prove a point is silly. There is also the possibility that his presence will get AK out of his doldrums. The potential of AK to be a big asset is a proven fact.
So the upside to bringing up SK, is how it might help his brother. Does Bobo or JM not realize this?
What 'Bobo/JM' may realize is that SK is not presently a TEAM guy, and has to grow into it. Or not. But not a sniff until he does. A lot of posters still do not realize the value of a team philosophy. Live together, die together. Give 'Bobo/JM' some credit, please.
SK presently has a capital 'I' in his spelling of team. Is that not yet apparent? These type of players erode the team concept, are even destructive to a team regardless of talent level. He is NOT superstar talent that might lead you to stomach some of his immature gaffes.
Just as a devil's advocate - what if SK's ten goal a year skills aren't being judged adequate for the NHL?
And does it look necessary to wean big brother from dependence on little brother (I don't buy that) and see if he can stand on his own two skates as a grown man? SK being down may help AK's long term development. That's if he is so clueless that he can't function without his little brother, a position I find weird. The guy is in a funk. He can break out. He doesn't need his friggin brother to do that.
Agreed, CHF. I think this 'little brother thing being down' is nothing but bunk, a cop out. Funk is right, but not because of SK.
Having SK around never helped AK before...why would it now?
Perhaps the word "saviour' was not specifically used previously but it definitely seemed implied sometimes.
Do you think this team is in a position to wait, or has numerous other options? This team needs scoring and I for one would be willing to try anything to rectify it. How long are you prepared to tread water?
With Gionta gone, AK is more vital than ever for any kind of success.
Except SK is not what i would consider an Impact Player. If you think one player will rectify all our scoring woes, than basically you are calling him a savior, which he is not. This team is not lacking in offensive talent or opportunities, were lacking in the finishing department and on the powerplay.
UMMMMM....no. I said AK is the potential impact player, and if SK can possibly get him out of his funk then that is the silver lining to bringing him up. AK CAN be a top six forward, something we are sorely missing. With the way Pleks is playing I believe SK can be effective on his wing. Is it not worth a chance, or do you like the way the team is playing right now?
Not lacking in offensive talent? Have you looked at our lineup?
Paccioretty, Gomez, Cammalleri, Gionta, Latendresse, Andrei Kostitsyn and pleks are Offensive players. Maybe they arent playing up to those standards right now, but thats what they are and thats what their role is supposed to be.
I wont dispute that SK is an offensive talent, but if hes actually THAT good of an offensive talent he'd be lighting up the AHL no problem. Seeing as he isnt doing so right now, and he acted like a spoiled brat to start the season, he doesnt deserve a call up as his attitude clearly hasnt improved.
Had he gone to hamilton, played hard and kept his mouth shut like a good boy, he would have been the first call up, and people wouldnt be crying for him.
When guy boucher says SK is ready, he will be called up.
Lighting up the AHL? I would be surprised if he was! SK has been to the BIG SHOW he has experienced all it has to offer. Can you understand his mental attitude being back in the minors?
SK is too GOOD for the AHL and he knows it. He is disgruntled, angry and resentful. If he is half the player I think he is he will be a player on a mission if he is given the chance to be back in the NHL. He has seen how the other half lives and he does not want to go back.
But again, you are missing my main point. My concern is NOT SK but rather rejuventating his brother.
Again about our offensive talent you speak of. In the shootout last night of the SIX players chosen how many have more than TWO goals after 21 games?
Answer.....Pleks and Cammy....yes great offensive talent.
But then it seems like you're missing the point of the posters above. AK didn't play on a line with his brother when he was productive. He played with Pleks and Kovy, so his brother didn't appear to have any on-ice contribution to AK's success. And AK had as much on-ice success in the years before SK was called up as he did last year, so the assumption that having his brother around will rejuvenate him doesn't appear to have an observational basis either.
As for your other argument...
"Lighting up the AHL? I would be surprised if he was! SK has been to the BIG SHOW he has experienced all it has to offer. Can you understand his mental attitude being back in the minors?
SK is too GOOD for the AHL and he knows it. He is disgruntled, angry and resentful. If he is half the player I think he is he will be a player on a mission if he is given the chance to be back in the NHL. He has seen how the other half lives and he does not want to go back."
I'm sorry but look at your own words objectively and ask yourself is that the sort of attitude that you want in a dressing room that is as a group struggling with adversity? He got dealt what he thinks is an unfair blow so what does he do? Paraphrasing your own words, he sits in a corner and sulks...rather than fighting tooth and nail to prove that it was unfair. So if that is the case and that is the attitude he currently has (which frankly, neither YOU nor I truly know so we are just hypothesizing) what happens if he is recalled and the team keeps struggling? Does he try and fight through it or become a distraction in the dressing room?
Which type of player do you want on the team right now, because IMO right now the limited success that the team has had so far has been due far more to the fact they don't give up than how skilled or talented they are.
Hmmmm...BGL or SK? Hmmmmmm
Is there really any discussion necessary? Obviously a lot of people on here dislike SK , a young kid by the way, and are ready to send him to the salt mines.
I take a more pragmatic approach. We need talent in our top six, SK has talent. We need to fire up our best young forward in AK. Maybe, just maybe having his kid brother to keep him company will help.
Why are all you people so stubborn? Is it not worth a try? Does no one else see the potential in a second line of AK Pleks SK?
I am not saying I am right, I am saying we are in no position not to give it a try. If not for the sake of SK, then for the sake of the team.
ps. I agree this team must win on hard work rather than talent. It is because this team LACKS offensive talent.
Yeah, bring the attitude up who is must be presently sulking, if he has all this talent you say he does. Nice message to send to a lot of others. Bring him up, and all goes away?
He earns it, or burns it - his choice, his career. You seem to think he is being persecuted? Let's bbe fair to the other 'team' players.
I see your point, but as someone who disagrees with you, it's not because I'm stubborn. I don't see an offensive upgrade in SK right now. Maybe, as you say, he's underperforming in the AHL because he thinks he's too good. Maybe he's underperforming in the AHL because he isn't good enough. That will take time either way, whether his problem is his mental or physical skills.
And the habs have all the time in the world. They aren't in a playoff run. They are rebuilding. Carle, Weber, and Subban can learn defence, and SK can develop major league skills in the place where we should also find Pacioretty and a few others. Bring them along. Our prospects aren't showing big AHL scoring because they are dog-paddling in the deeper waters of the NHL. That's a bigger problem than winning the next few games. If Gainey is going to build a team, then he can't rush any more prospects. Belle and Carle may be better than Leach. Keep Leach up and let the prospects get way better than Leach. That will take a steady hand, not acts of panic.
nice to see my original post got some mileage. I just came in from cutting firewood and I have something to read.
MAB fourtfourth line duty IMO...keep Leach around, sit out BGL. Bergeron seems to have some offensive awareness and he actually has shown flashes of being able to make one on one plays with the pcuk...I would try him on the fourth and the pp before we ship him out....worth trying at this stage because we need offense and that is quite clearly the only thing he offers....
RDS tweets that Gionta has a broken bone...he's gone for undetermined period of time.
"All you need in hockey is good character, luck and skills" - Ovie
Well, that would definitely suck.
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ugh.
Wow, crazy year for injuries, and not just the Canadiens...
Team 990 says 4-6 weeks
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Oh what the hell! Come on!
Why does this **** have to happen to Montreal 2 years in a damn row, really.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
damn that really sucks!!!!!
"The Future Belongs to Those Who Believe in the Beauty of Their Dreams." Eleanor Roosevelt
OH, FOR F#%! ^%$ #!&* SAKE!!!!!!!!!!
Just when you think things can't get any worse....
The last time the leafs won the cup it was still just a bowl!!
Hey guys, just watched the michael liambas (guy who hit fanelli) interview on OTR...man I feel as bad (almost) for him as I do Ben... Both of their potential careers and possible lives flipped upside down. That's gotta suck/
Go Habs Go!
I am really questioning the confidence I once had in JM. MAB and BGL against the Capitals? Really JM?
Where is SK? Play the K Bros with Pleks, is it that hard to fathom? If you don't want to bring up SK for some dumb reason, at least put Pleks on the top line as Gomez is a dog.
Is Bobo blocking the return of SK? What is going on?
Someone's got to say it, "Bobo" just isn't funny anymore. Not sure if it ever was. Nor is it cleaver or witty. Just annoying.
Ah contraire, I find it very cleaver!
With Gionta now out 4-6 weeks, SK will probably get his chance.
the game is friday night alot can change from now until then.
"The Future Belongs to Those Who Believe in the Beauty of Their Dreams." Eleanor Roosevelt
Sergei should read this and take note.
Interview with Nikita Filatov about being loaned for the remainder of the season by the blue jackets to CSKA Moscow of the KHL.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Filatov-Why-I-m-leaving-Columbus-for-Russia;_ylt=Alo8b3EWHFnOevnr4CMOlLZ7vLYF?urn=nhl,203134
"Interviewer: Tell me, why didn't you request a trade and decided to go to the KHL?
Filatov: I thought this would be the right thing to do. First of all, for me. And also as a matter of respect to Columbus as an organization."
Sergei simply wants to play Olympic games for his country, otherwise he would have been playing in KHL for 15 games.
Yeah but if they had a discussion and the habs officially loaned him to a khl team he wouldnt be blocked for the olympics. Rene Fasel only said he wouldnt be allowed in the olympics if he signed with a KHL team without the blessing of the canadiens because he is currently under contract.
i know eh!..it sucks....although SK is not very expressive as a person, we could sense his obligation to stay with the Habs just to play for the Olympics...pretty sure he was about to leave...pretty damm sure :S
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I'm pretty sure they're waiting to Trade Sergei. No reason for them to call up Pyatt and White, and then play Stewart when Gionta's out. I'd say because of that Sergei's done in MTL. Side note, is that you in your avatar?
Ive said it before and ill say it again. This is the canadiens sending sergei a message. Calling up that premadonna over guys who work hard in hamilton and keep their mouths shut is sending the wrong message. Sergei will get a call up once hes earned his call up and adjusted his attitude. I feel like thats going to be Guy Bouchers call unless our injuries continue and we become truly desperate.
yea you're prolly right unfortunately...
yes, me
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I think that you have a not-so-secret admirer. :)
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make that two!
Make that 3.......that's a hot pic!!
Brian Burke = Overrated Loud Mouth POS
hehe...so no "admiration" if i was a dude??....
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Maybe, but no admiration of your avatar if you were a dude.
from RDS:
Trios à l'entraînement
Cammalleri-Gomez-Metropolit
Pacioretty-Plekanec-Kostitsyn
Latendresse-Lapierre-Laraque
Moen-Pyatt-White
Défenseurs
Bergeron-O'Byrne
Hamrlik-Spacek
Mara-Gorges
Extra
Défenseur : Leach
Attaquants : Stewart-Chipchura
not that these mean anything after the first shift anyway, but still, i'm not sure. i liked the pyatt-white-stewie line. the LALALA line? BGL will be a pylon aganst WAS speed. MAB and O'B??? leach/o'b would be a pretty imposing duo. thoughts?
Dollar for dollar Leach is the best deal we have.. Maybe Metro. .....segway..... So BGL may play soon? Is that it? I wish him the best, he can't go out like this.. but that won't stop me from starting a side bet:
How many games played this season for BGL?
I'll stick to 17.
Latendresse-Lapierre-Laraque. This French-speaking line will make trouble to Theodore, for their D simply cannot understand what they are saying.
Who is this Laraque you speak of???....Le pylone de grandes lives...
If you have to ask what "The System" is...you wouldn't understand it anyway.
Im not a fan of O'B and MAB together.
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I'm nto a fan of MAB being on the ice.
HAHA!! funny stuff.. Henrik Andersen scored his first goal in Sweden, and wanted to celebrate like Ovie but failed!!! LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4_MKH1ldHI&feature=player_embedded#
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not really the player failing, that glass sure didn't hold up at all. It'd be funnier if that happened to Ovechkin.
The don't build them like they used to!
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That was amazing!
LOL that's awesome. Sweet goal at least.
Not sure if anyone is really down on Leach, but he's played extremely well. I wish they would have kept Carle up and dressed 7 defensemen...and used MAB only in certain situations...PP and maybe 4on4.
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Yea me too...but that MAB guy loses the puck 10X more than AK...atleast he scored some goals..or else I would say send him to the Dogs Dungeon!!
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We should recall SK74 if Gionta is going to be out for a while
We need whatever help we can get scoring and we don't have many prospects that are offensively minded
The last time the leafs won the cup it was still just a bowl!!
No, No, No and once again, No! His attiyude in training camp sucked, he pulled a tantrum after being assigned to Hamilton, he pulled another tantrum several weeks kater, he's not lighting it up down there...what has he done, exactly, to deserve a call up? He needs to do a lot more to earn the call up...and he might start with a public apology for his crappy attitude and tantrums.
Just my opinion bub! We only have 3 players that can score in our lineup (Pleks, Gomer, Cammy). Who the hell else in Hamilton has any potential to chip in offensively? Were barely averaging over 2 goals a game. We need someone who can score. Lets face it, we have more than enough Chipchura/Pyatt types on this team now.
P.S. WHAT THE F#*% MAKES YOUR OPINION ANY MORE VAILID THAN ANYONE ESLES?
P.P.S. BITE ME!!!
The last time the leafs won the cup it was still just a bowl!!
Well, SK is not a scorer, first of all. Secondly, Guy Boucher is in contact with BG almost every day, so I'm positive if he felt SK was ready, or had improved his attitude, he would have mentioned it and SK would be with the Habs now.
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
I know he's more of a playmaker. I just believe the he can help us on one of the top 2 lines right now. I know what he pulled was immature and wrong but IMO we don't have many other options with our prospects in Hamilton that can play on a scoring line
WE NEED SOMEONE WHO CAN SCORE/ HELP US SCORE!! BADLY!!!!
The last time the leafs won the cup it was still just a bowl!!
Apparently he is playing hard and his numbers arent an accurate reflection of his play down in hamilton. However, I do agree with you. We cannot bring him right now just because of his previous behavior. He has to know that the habs will call him up on their terms, and not just because they are desperate for scoring.
Besides, Sergei is not an impact player to the point where our offense would suddenly explode the second he comes up. Let him stew in hamilton for a while longer so that when he does get the call up, he appreciates life in the NHL that much more and does everything it takes to stay there.
I love how people always call O'Byrne a purse snatcher on this site and think it's funny, but nobody calls Dany Healtey "murderer"...which he actually is.
Methinks you should look up the word murder...and then look up the term "vehicular manslaughter".
Call it what YOU want but somebody who is responsible for someone else's death is a murderer.
Actually its called manslaughter. Murder indicates that it was intentional.
Heatley was the sole reason that caused the death of Snyder...call it whatever you want, vehicular manslaughter etc...he still should have served time IMHO
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Just when I think some folks around here can't scrape the bottom of the barrel anymore or lower the bar any further, along comes a comment like this.
----- "Come on, let's keep a little optimism here." -- Han Solo, Return of the Jedi
To me, I call Obyrne THE SNATCHER out of affection.. I had totally forgoten about Heatley etc. Was he drunk at the time éé?
No, just speeding.
Why are some of you below calling crabvader a dumbass and ignorant prick? Because he brought up the purse incident or calling Heatley a murderer...before you answer I think the facts are: Heatley was driving the car, and was he speeding...
Under any legal definition, that does not constitute murder. Murder carries with it the charge that a premeditated act was carried out with malice and with intent to kill another human being. By no reasonable definition can one say that Heatley got in the vehicle with the idea already in his head that he wanted to deliberately cause Daniel Snyder's death. To think that he did is shameful.
----- "Come on, let's keep a little optimism here." -- Han Solo, Return of the Jedi
For it to be murder, it has to be intentional, not necessarily premeditated. Thats why theres different degrees of murder in the states. Murder in the first degree in the states denotes a pre-meditated murder.
Umm I think you can be charged with murder without the need of it being PREMEDITATED...to me a murder is comitting an act that results in the death of another human being, and if the act was AVOIDABLE (in this case it was), then that should further institute it being a murder, involuntary or not...
If it was my child (or another loved one), I would hold Heatley completely responsible for it. To me, he would always be a murderer.
Anywhoo...on to some other topic, as this ALL comes down to a personal opinion.
No it's not a matter of opinion. There is a clearly-defined legal definition in this and every other country in the world as to what constituted murder. What I posted above is that definition - what you believe to be murder and what is the globally-accepted definition of murder are not the same things.
You can hold him accountable for Dan Snyder's death, you can say he is responsible for it, there could conceivably be a civil trial for wrongful death (a la the OJ Simpson civil trial that found him legally responsible for the death of Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman), but there is not a respectable court of law in the world that would convict Dany Heatley for murdering Dan Snyder.
----- "Come on, let's keep a little optimism here." -- Han Solo, Return of the Jedi
Yes you are correct on what is "globally-accepted definition of murder " (and I use that term losely, we ALL know how corrupt courts can be), so I retract my comments on what I called him, I apologize. Yes he has to live with this for the rest of his life, but I feel he should have been held accountable and served time, beyond just having to live with it (which I can only imagine how difficult that must be).
If someone is speeding and loses control of their car, and lets say, kills someone walking on the side of the road, should this be treated any differently just because the person is not in the vehicle? Not in my opinion and I would expect that person to face justice.
You can THINK whatever you want about the definition of murder, but whats important is what our justice system thinks defines the act of murder. Under what the justice system believes, Dany Heatley is not a murderer. Before you judge him don't you think you should try and appreciate his situation? He has to live with the fact that he took away his best friends life. Dany Heatley will wrestle with that demon for the rest of his life, I feel sorry for him, and I wish him the best.
It was an accident. Personally, I don't consider him a murderer. Accidents happen. We all speed.
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy