Only those Canadiens who did not play last night – which suggests Guillaume Latendresse, Ryan O'Byrne, Michael Ryder and a half-dozen or so Hamilton Bulldogs callups – will practice this afternoon in advance of tomorrow's seventh game against the Boston Bruins.
Coach Guy Carbonneau and a select number of players will meet the media in the late afternoon. We'll update the news at that time.
Everyone is entitled the their opinion. I am usually a huge optimist when it comes to the Canadiens. Just because I don't feel that Carbonneau has what it takes - and have felt that way since December 2006 - doesn't mean that I'm not a Habs fan. The posts about "if you say anything bad about the Habs get off the bandwagon" reek of Soviet-era communism and implies I've not taken my punches over the last 15 years, the "shame on you for saying that" genre is most effective when heard by a nine year old from his mother, and the "Carbonneau knows best and you've never been in a hockey room locker" is how the U.S. senate voted to invade Iraq for weapons of mass deception.
It's okay to disagree in a democracy. It's certainly okay to disagree about hockey. If you want to drink your Kool-Aid with blindfolders on then that's for you. If you need an outlet to vent in, if you have an observation that might help us enjoy/understand the game more, if you have an opinion, that happens to be for me. I'm not trying to rain on your parades. Stop saying that those of us without blind faith haven't the right to congregate in public. Optimism is a fine trait, as is realism. Pollyanna I ain't and I don't ever aim to be, but neither are any of my comments or most of those from others critical of Carbonneau intending to injure because we're spoiled brats who expected an easy series. I predicted Canadiens in 7 at the outset - I've watched the Bruins all year and knew they were a good team. I just thought it would be a hard-fought series where we'd eventually come out on top. It's been a massacre where we're lucky to be alive; any even-headed viewer would have to agree with that, in my opinion. The gap between wins and losses has not been what has so incensed some of us - it's the path we took to getting there and the resolute arrogance that Carbonneau has displayed with his "no practices" and "I look forward to Game 7" as if he doesn't understand what the issue is, which he may not. I think that's disingenous in the latter case and incompetent in the former. Reminds me of George W. with his "bring it on" statement.
Carbonneau has a chance to redeem himself. As some of you have stated, he is the captain of the ship, he is in the locker room, he knows what we cannot. We are simply observing symptoms and attempting to identify a cause. All true. Further, I reserve the right to change my opinion if he surprises me with a change of gameplan and the team executes in Game 7. However, I similarly reserve the right to recommend execution if he doesn't surprise me and comes out with a different cast of characters and squeaks by on luck (games 2 & 4) or we get killed again.
I'm a fan and have been since I was born. I'm not going to challenge anyone to a silly "who's a bigger fan contest". I've stuck by them year in year out and will again next year. This series is extraordinarily difficult because after 15 years of appearing lost we finally seemed to find our way in the first half of last year, then disappeared when the going got tough. This year we've had no injuries and no controversies, and after the perfect season won the conference. Even the Habs joined in the hysteria with the "16 for 25, all for 1" and the normally stoic Bob said, uncharacteristically, "our goal is to win the Stanley Cup." The city and its fans have come out in full force - no fans support the team like we do when they are winning and when they are trying. Unfortunately, we are not winning right now and, while we are certainly trying, we haven't a system built to win. What am I supposed to do - suggest wholesale changes on the team (akin to changing all the body parts) or wonder whether there might be something central responsible like the coach (akin to the brain, the heart, etc.)? You're all entitled to your own opinions and I won't chastize you for them, although I reserve the right to disagree. I'm not Johnny-come-lately to the Carbo hypothesis - it was rampant last year and mjames was the first to repeatedly point out issues with Carbo's one man forechecking scheme. Coaching requires adaptation. Coaching requires confidence. Coaching requires communication. I don't see it and I think the team wants to win for the fans and for themselves, but don't mind Carbonneau losing. Pure supposition? Yes. Where's it come from? From my own sentiment that I wouldn't mind the man getting axed before he ruins our chances at a year-to-year contender based on the outstanding work by Timmins and Gainey.
Not if you say anything negative yu are off the bandwagon but it seems to extreme to think Coach of Year and then you lose a couple of matches and he should be fired... I just find the true Monteal Fans will have faith until the end.. Win or lose...
I am not saying you are one of those because you have had a consistent opinion and I respect that... It is the ones that just comment to comment... It grinds my gears....
Players win games, teams win championships.
- Bill Taylor
i agree, i did have a problme with carbo at the beginning of the year but it mostly stemmed from him playing koivu and higgins with the likes of t.k,dandy,streit,smokes,etc. I also felt gorges was a better solution than breezer and it was proven correct when gorges was given a real oppurtunity because of a breezer injury. The team record with/without breezer was also another strong indicator.
I do feel carbo is a good coach and our team record while icing one of the youngest teams in the league is a pretty good example of it. Besides isn't anyone else tired of us firing our coaches to early and then see them turn into jack adams candidates somewhere else?
i do agree with the last sentence. may have to take our medicine. having said that, i LOVED vigneault and thought julien was a very solid coach. Therrien was a thug - don't miss him.
Thanks, my friend.
I didn't think he was a coach of the year. He has a very talented and underrated squad. He had it last year, too. Last year we were tops in league in man game's lost and he couldn't stop the bleeding. This year we're third from the bottom and he's benefited.
My view is that we've won with Carbonneau but in no way because of him. Coach of the year? No way. The team was better than predicted by the pundits and we ended up a Cinderella story going for first overall in the conference. The moment he faces adversity a couple of times, stares it down, and reacts like a winner I will change my story. Last year he reacted to it with line changes and random benchings. He looks stoic and brooding on the bench. He can be arrogant in his press conferences. He's all smiles when they win but has no answers in hard times.
I have hope until the end, but I don't have a ton of faith tonight. That's not because I'm not a true fan. I just see little rational reason for us to think that we'll pull a 180 after being dominated for an entire series. It may happen - we almost pulled off a lucky win last night - but I am not confident. I'm a fan, win or lose, but I am not about to set myself up for complete disappointment when we are now, undisputably, the underdogs. If we win - I'll be ecstatic. If we lose, I'll be prepared. They haven't shown me any reason to feel otherwise: see last night's debacle in the third and the terrible performance on the power play, playing against an average talented team with a bigger heart.
I don't need a win. I need pride and reaction. What grinds MY gears is a Canadiens team this talented wearing the jersey and taking another step towards "just another NHL team". We haven't put out a good team in 15 years until this year. It's taken incredible patience. . . and this team has thus far proven to be a tease. I reserve the right to feel upset about that for a day or so.
You're right of course Doug. The only thing more annoying than a poster who constantly attacks the manager, coaches, players, stick boys, etc. is the poster who keeps bringing up the bandwagon shtick. That, and, like the poster earlier today who doesn't think you can question any decisions by Carbo or Mr. Gainey. The guy who runs this site questions them all the time. Do we all follow that up with in 'Bob we trust' and 'don't question Carbo because he's an NHL coach', every single time a negative observation is made? If we did they'd shut this puppy down within two days. This would be one hell of a site if we all play cheerleader 24-7. Comments, both positive and negative, done in a civil manner, is the only way to maintain this site. Who would come on here if there wasn't a little contraversy. The key is to respect these guys while we question them from time to time.
And, as difficult as it is sometimes, respect each other.
GO HABS.
Thanks, bud. I am not trying to be a downer! I am just beyond heartbroken.
Very Well Said...
Players win games, teams win championships.
- Bill Taylor
Yeah, great post. I like to say that if you want blind faith, go to church.
great great post, possibly best post of the season.
I believe our only option is wholesale changes, and they should have been started at Game 3...instead Carb has done nothing but weaken the lineup as the series progressed.
In a simple analysis, we are being outhit...counter that issue and all else will fall into place, that is where Carb has failed.
Not practicing, working on correcting some of the things they are doing that ain't working....mind boggling to say the least.
When's the conference, anyone know?
CBC just showed a live clip of the Habs PRACTICING! Woohoo, it even had a picture of Carbo in front of the players pointing at a whiteboard. Maybe, just maybe Carbo has something in mind for the game seven. Oh Lord, I hope so.
Wait a few years to win The Cup? Excuse me, wasn't it Gainey who said this team was hungry and wanted the cup this year?
WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN THEN?? IF NO PRACTICE THEN WHAT??
ARE ALL THE PLAYERS GONNA SULK UNTIL GAMETIME TOMORROW??
SERIOUSLY THEN WHAT?
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Tired? Why isn't Boston tired then? Not a credible excuse. Sorry.
I have read only a few posted and I find it disgusting that we find Carbo arrogant and too confident. He led this team all season behind the bench and now that it is not going to well we bash him. Come on...
The team is tired plain and simple. This series has warn them out. Andrei Kostitsyn looks very tired. Kovy I am sure is playing injured and frankly Price was left to himself last night.
To win it is simple... Instead of dumping because we are damn tired.. Carry the puck in an use our speed... Shoot the puck on net (like bouillon did last night) and pray for a rebound.. Finesse won't get you anywhere in the playoffs...
My personal feeling on this team was this... They achieved their goal of the year of making the playoffs... Even though they would be out in the first round, they gave us the best hockey in years... There will be next year.. We have many young guys that didn't know what NHL playoff hockey was like. Well they are getting a Playoff 101 class... Prof is Dr. Claude Julien... We will win the cup... Give it a few years and have faith...
Players win games, teams win championships.
- Bill Taylor
I couldn't agree more. I'm disturbed with the amount of negative comments about Guy Carbonneau. You're right. He did do a great job of leading these men thru the regular season and we have to remember that this is a very young team. Many who had never played an NHL playoff game, and at least one who had never even played in the NHL before. They have given us the best season, with fabulous hockey that we haven't seen in years. I, for one, am extremely proud of this team. Am I frustrated? YEP! But when I sit back and think about it, it's all good. Believe me, I'm hoping and praying for a win tomorrow night, and I will be bummed out if we don't manage the win. But I'm still proud...will always be proud and can't WAIT for the game tomorrow night. I BELIEVE! GO HABS GOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
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Carbonneau gets all the praise for a great regular season, yet none of the blame for our serious playoff short-comings???
No one, not even the coach, gets a free pass here. Enough sugar coating. Our players have been out-played badly and our coach has been out-coached badly.
Carbo"I said before the playoffs started that I was planning to play 28 games, so that hasn't changed," Canadiens coach Guy Carbonneau said. "That's why you play 82 games (in the regular season), to have a chance to play that seventh game at home, and we're going to look forward to it
What an idiot! Hey Carbo, go have your wife blow another 150 on a new tie. That seems to be your only strategy you have been able to come up with. Glad you are looking forward to a game seven. I guess the Captain of the Titanic was looking forward to meeting that iceberg!
Carbonneau is an arrogant (not changing or practicing), hyperreactive (benching and line changes that are random since he began), moody (snaps when questions asked), inflexible (definition of an idiot is someone who, when faced with failure, continues to do the exact same thing), indecisive (line changes), unmotivating (sulks instead of leads; never calls timeouts), and poorly communicative coach.
We didn't face any adversity all season - no injuries, no slumps, nothing. We did last year, and we saw how the brooding coach responded.
Bruins have outplayed us in five straight and the sixth one was not a fair test because of our two fluke goals in the first couple of minutes. I'll be shocked if we don't get our asses handed to us tomorrow. Ever worked for a boss that's a prick? I did, and we were doing extraordinarily well and it was a mixed feeling - you actuallly found yourself hoping for a downturn so he'd get canned. If you're the Habs, you win and Carbonneau and his regime continues. If you lose, the team gets broken up, Carbo stays, it's a mini Mario Tremblay situation.
Gainey has to forget his allegiance to Carbonneau and fire him next year at the first sign of the above traits. The team is much better than the system. I do find myself thinking xenophobic thoughts about what it would be like to have another skilled north american, i'm embarrassed to type. It's not because of lack of heart - it's just contextual: do 21 year olds who haven't grown up in north america really consider the stanley cup on par with international competition? It would be natural if that were a learned trait.
Anyways, back to carbo. . . prove me wrong. Last year you ruined my memories of you as a player. This year you've taken away my PRIDE in the organization by playing with my emotions. I feel completely cheated, and while I'm aware just how pathetic this paragraph reads, I feel like the Habs really lost an opportunity with the squad Gainey's been building and I'm devastated. Glad the most contemplative GM in the league is calling the shots - at least there will not be an overreaction - but hope that this eventually gets Carbo fired. We can't win with him.
doug, I don't like to criticize the Habs, being the big fan that I am, but I think you are 100% correct about Carbonneau. I think there is so much talent on this team that they won in spite of him. I love your comparison to the boss that you would love to see get canned.
After watching this series,I have come to the conclusion that Carbo is unable to counter Juliens trap system. In the first two games Montreal outplayed the Bruins, but Julien was able to put a system in place to counter the habs speed, to his success. But in the last couple of games Carbo has not been able to outcoach the Bruins. When you see the habs coming out of their end in a disorganized way, you can see they are playing subpar hockey. I surely hope they bring their A game to next game, and play hard hockey.
The Habs only trailed for a couple minutes last night, but it was the most important two minutes. They didn't play that bad, they just couldn't handle the B's attack when it counted.
Please Habs, learn from your mistakes in time for tomorrow night. Everyone's gotta be on the same page, and FIGHT for every puck like your career depends on it.
I BLEED BLEU BLANC ET ROUGE!!!
can you imagine what bill belichik would say if his team got it's ass handed to him against another team three weeks in a row. think he'd contemplate taking off time from practice, or would he suggest more practicing? if you're not studying the tapes, if you're not working on your weaknesses, if you're not trying to get out their and try. . . what exactly are you doing as a hockey coach?
if i'm mike komisarek or chris higgins or another leader on the team, i call a player meeting. i say that we have one last chance to redeem ourselves. i say that if we do not we will be the laughingstock of the league, the entire season will have been a waste, and that big changes will come. i ask them who wants to win. i stare them down. i make accusations if i have to. somebody has to step up and be a man. naturally should be koivu - just don't know how much of a fan of carbonneau's he is. . . and suspect that's an undercurrent shard by many that explains a lot of the team's indifference.
When a team comes at you with a physical, pressure, quick closing game then your only recourse is to counter with a physical game. Case Closed.
we can't use Speed when they are just running into us, we can't use finesse when they are attacking on the powerplay opposed to our passive stand around box.
we need to negate their physical game with players who are capable of hitting and being hit and not being thrown off their game, players like
Ryder, Lats, Obyrne, Stewart, Chips....
oh ya, those guys were all in the pressbox last game, and most of the series.
Last night carb inserted his weakest lineup of the season.
Carb is playing a bigger role here than you think.
what the HELL!?!?!?
sorry Carbo, but when you lose like you did last night, you need to practise. you know, like, fix the things that went wrong?!? other coaches do it, tune in!
I think Carbo has been listening to Allen Iverson. Practice? Practice? Come on man, it's just practice. Practice? I know I should lead by example, I know that man, but practice. Practice?
^%&^#$^&$#^$#^#
"One face-off, one battle, one shift, one period, one game, one series at a time."
I always said that Carbo is not an NHL coach. He has no idea what to do. Gainey needs to have a chat with the players on Monday. Carbo says the stupidest things. We've never lost 3 in a row! does that mean it can't happen? Carbo shut your trap, you're an idiot!
As long as Carbo is our coach, habs will never win a cup!
We have no defence, and no PP, but Carbo would prefer to let the boys sleep in, instead of trying to right the ship! pathetic!