Audio: Breezer hopes he's in Habs plans

posted by Dave Stubbs at 11h56 EST on Jun 3


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Patrice Brisebois and the Ferrari he'll race this weekend.
John Mahoney, Gazette

Canadiens defenceman Patrice Brisebois is an unrestricted free agent as of July 1, and while he says his agent, Don Meehan, hasn't had talks with GM Bob Gainey yet, he's hopeful he could remain a Canadien.

Brisebois will run his own muscular Ferrari this weekend in the Ferrari Challenge, a support race to the Formula One Canadian Grand Prix on Montreal's Circuit Gilles Villeneuve.

At The Gazette's Vroom With A View blog, you'll find the audio of a 10-minute conversation this morning with Brisebois, related to his racing, hockey and the tragic motorcycle death of Vancouver Canucks defenceman Luc Bourdon.




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REB - That's fine with me but Carbo is very hard headed and always goes for a puckmoving "D" over a shutdown player , he'll learn the hard way.

Uwey's picture
I'm going to throw out a curveball of sorts. Rather than resign Brisebois, how about talking to Chris Chelios to see if he is interested in finishing his career in Montreal. As a 7th D-man, I feel he could a very good mentor to some of our young D-men. Just a thought!!!

sidhu's picture
My guess is that he retires on top, after winning another Cup. He should join the Wings organization in some capacity.

I like it. ------------------------------------------------------------ My ultimate dream: Captain Saku Koivu skating around the Bell Centre holding the Stanley Cup.

Odie Cleghorn's picture
If the Habs are planning on asking him to retre, then, yes, I hope he fits with those plans too!

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
Thanks for everything Breeze...find a role in the organization, just not on the ice. Those who would sign Breeze...please go take your medicine.

Hoegarden's picture
Breezer; Being in "Habs plans" does not necessarily mean "on the ice". We have a crop of young and promising D waiting in the wings for the opportunity to wear the CH. It'll be up to them to push Breezer out of the way. I've said it before; he would fit in perfectly with the other lads behind the bench and hopefully it's where he'll end up. He's a smart lad, communicates well, has a Stanley Cup ring and a true Hab. Streit; How much is he worth and how many teams are truly interested in him now that the playoffs are behind ? I was so high on this player but I now feel he is great for the "new NHL regular season" but not quite tough (mental and physical) enough for the "real season". That's probably Bob's biggest decision to make this summer, to keep him or not. Lats; Has the potential and if he is watching the finals, he should now understand what his role is and how to getter done.... Gaston Gingras should be able to figure out the problem with his skating. Carey; He's where Fleury was two years ago. With a dependable backup like Halak, Carey should not play more than 50. Is it hot in parts of the U.S. and Canada today ? lots of steam on the HIO site this fine day. Let's see who can come up with the ideal candidate for the Habs in the upcoming draft instead. Because of the late pick for the Habs, I'm hoping this kid is still available; Mikhail Stefanovich, RW Height/Weight: 6'2, 202 Team: Quebec Remparts, QMJHL

sidhu's picture
Stefanovich was ranked 16th in Central Scouting's mid-season rankings, but 57th in its final rankings. A big drop.

Hoegarden's picture
This could be a blessing in disguise. Watched him closely during the Q playoffs (Gatineau-Quebec) in April. He has all the tools. He needs the right kind of environment. Remparts had an awful run with the Olympiques and this whole mess with the Chicoutimi team and Roy's son has surely affected the overall performance of the Remparts players. Anyway, if he is ranked 57th then may be he'll still be available in round 2. As long as we don't draft another D in the first round.

sidhu's picture
Totally agree.

coutNY's picture
I second it... We have the extra Huet 2nd rounder, the Belrussian line having a big center that has expereinced N. American stlye would be nice. I fear he would last for a late rounder in the second? So is he worth a late 1st? Do we trade up our two late 2nd rounders for a earlier 2nd positioning. Or do we play the wait n' see game?

24 Cups's picture
coutNY - I'm foggy on this point but I think the pick for Huet is for 2009 and is from Anaheim (via the Caps) from a past Washington deal earlier in the year. I stand corrected for sure. The Original 24 Cups

coutNY's picture
Hey your right, but it's still an asset... still tradable I suppose as Washington had done with it. But I would agree it wouldn't be as valuable as if it were in this years draft. Although, next year's not looking to be a sloutcher either from what I hear. I say, Is it almost time for a mock draft pool?

24 Cups's picture
coutNY - Only if the Habs get to trade up and take the Laffs pick. Our 1st, Grabovski, Gorges, and NM49 for the Lousy Leafs' 7th pick! The Original 24 Cups

24 - You forgot , the sticking point , the rights to Penelope Cruz.

sidhu's picture
I hope Stefanovich is around as well - he's buddies with the Brothers Kostitsyn.

Persis's picture
Breezer, thanks but no thanks. I admire the way you came back and held your head high this season, you were a total class act and you had a lot of people eating a lot of crow, but the undeniable fact is you're old and frail and I don't want you and your bad back hanging around our defensive corps next year. Bonne chance, but it's time to move on.

t1tan5's picture
wow Breezer's got a sick car!

Dave Stubbs; I never wrote a post regarding injury or accident to Bourdon. In fact my post yesterday was the 1st post I have written in several weeks. perhaps you have me mixed up with someone else, or someone has posted as me. I would never submit a post as to that nature, or infer that I want someone to be injured. Please make sure you have the right person before chastizing and removing their comments.

The Dallas Morning News is reporting in their Dallas Star's season wrap up that the Stars will be taking a run at Michael Ryder on July 1st as Brett Hull's priority is a scorer and he's high on Ryder as a line mate for Ribero.

Ed's picture
Do you have a link? I remember there was a report in the Gazette a while ago where Ribeiro said he would like to see Ryder as a teammate. I have looked at the Dallas paper on line, but can't find your story. There will be lots of interesting speculation from now on about the UFAs, and where they will end up. TSN has what they call "2008 All Free Agent Team", on which they list the top 12 UFA forwards, 6 D, and 2 goalies, and 3 spares. Streit and Hainsey are listed as D, Huet and Theodore are the goalies, and Ryder is included as a spare. There are 23 players in total, and Montreal is well represented with a total of 5 current and former players. TSN calls the 23 players the most intriguing players eligible this summer for UFA. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=11300

Stat-ic Ed - It was a video with morning news Chuck Carlrton and Mike Heika who wrap up the season (video: what's next) http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/sports/index.html?nvid=247111...

Ed's picture
Thanks for the great link nightmare! I would love it if Puckcast was done in this format.

Ed - Sorry for taking so long as i had trouble remembering where i found that , senior moment and I'm sure you can understand , Mon Static.

Dave Stubbs's picture
Boone, Hickey, Stubbs and Mio on video? No, trust me, Ed, you don't want that. Dave Stubbs
Habs Inside/Out
Sports Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette

 


Ed's picture
That's a good one Dave. Puckcast is always good, but the newer members on here don't always know who is speaking. That aside, I can understand you guys wanting to keep it out of sight. I picture you in a very informal, relaxed atmosphere. Will there be a final Puckcast for the season, or maybe one on the entry draft and/or free agents?

Looking at this article, I don't see any forward that really thrills me: - Hossa had 29 goals...big whoop, we had 3 players in that area - Sundin is a big, strong center, but he's a Leaf - Langkow might be a prospect, but Calgary should lock him up before 07/01 - Malone is probably the best option If I was looking for a #4 D-man, I'd be interested in either Campbell or Hainsey...but I'm not. I think we already have him (and #5, 6 & 7 in the pipeline). If we sign either of these 2 D-men, we limit ourselves from the perspective of "grow from the draft". Given the potential defence depth we have in the pipeline, I would only be interested in a UFA forward...and as I already said, "I don't see any forward that really thrills me".

I would not hesitate taking Sundin just because he is a leaf. Did we worry about taking the Big M back in the 70's. Did the leafs worry about taking Jacques Plante back in the 70's. I would take that centerman (Sundin)in a heart beat. He has been the most consistent forward of the last 10 years and he's still a very good player. Not just a good one!!

Hoegarden's picture
Ton, on the lighter side of your post, the big-M was purged as a leaf with a 4 year pit-stop in Detroit before being allowed to wear the CH. By the time Jake the Snake landed in Taranna, he'd been gone from Montreal for 8 years. No problem is seeing former laffs coming here. There are many who went from TO to Montl and back over the years. I personally see Sundin in a RedWings uniform. With 8 countrymen on the team with a real opportunity to put his name on the mug before retiring, he'd be crazy to sign with us. Not only is he a leaf but he also was a nordique.

REB - Nice post and the forwards don't thrill me either. As for the "D" men our 7th "D" is Mathieu Dandenault as the roster goes now so with injuries we'll be into players with no NHL experience and you know that Carbo wouldn't love that. IMO an experienced big "D" man at about 1/1.5 million who can compete with O'Bey,Cube and Gorges for that 4th spot and pair with Hamy on the 2nd unit of our PK is necessary. Neither of our UFA "D" can supply that.

The start of a nice debate - let's hope we all keep it civil. I don't think we need to sign a somebody for the 4th Dman position, we already have him. He's 6-6, 230lbs, skates very well, played well and improved every game, and showed he has a nasty side also (just don't break your thumb next time, ok?). Obviously I'm talking about O'Byrne; pair him with Hammer and I think we have a Phaneuf in the making. Yes, he probably still qualifies as a rookie, but he is sooo much further along than Komi was at the same point in his career. Gorges and Boullion fill the 5th/6th spots, for now. I think they'll both be replaced within the next 2-3 years by McDonaugh, Valentenko, and Carle; note that this timing also coincides with the end of Hammers contract. Somebody made a comment about "no more drafting Dmen in the 1st round" (I'm paraphrasing), and I have to disagree; if a D-man is the best player available when the Habs pick, take him. That said, I would really like to see Tyler Myers drop in the draft standings - it's hard not to like 6-7, 205lbs at the age of 18; he should fill out to 225-230.

REB - That is exactly the way i think about Obey and i really like him and i have no problem with our top six "D" but after that we are in trouble if we have a major injury or multiple injuries that's why i think we need to pick up a big veteran "D" at about 1 / 1.5 million who could fill in as 4th and also be on the 2nd pairing of the PK as that's a hole we must fill , great post and i think we're on the same page somewhat.

I agree that we might be a little thin (ok, we are a little thin!) on D-men, but I think that if we follow your plan and sign somebody for 1-1.5 million as the #4 D-man, then we push OB back to #5. Hamerlik did an excellent job with Phaneuf, an excellent covering for some of Brisebois' lapses, and he seems to be a good player to pair with OB, but we won't have him forever, so we need to use that mentoring ability now, which means OB gets to be #4. Now, if we take your idea and modify it to do like we did with Ninnimaa (sp?), and sign somebody as an insurance policy, and say something like "Ok, here's the scoop...you are the #7 D-man...you'll get to play some games so that you don't rust away, but our goal is to give OB1 and Gorges the experience...basically your role will be as backfill" then I can go along with the idea (that was the intent with Brisebois last year)...just hope Carbo doesn't promote this guy to #4, although I suspect BG would counsel him not to do that.

Hoegarden's picture
REB, nice post; -Hossa. I like what I've seen of him so far in these playoffs. He sure knows where the net is. But how much does he want is the question. -Sundin. I Agree 100%. In any case, I doubt he would sign with the Habs. -Langkow; don't know the answer to the question "does Mikey like him" so he could be available. D'Agostini's last chance. -Malone; a hometown boy, loves his team. Pens will sign him big time. 100% with you on the D. No D-men required. We have drafted them for the past few years. The answer has to be down on the farm.

I'd like to sign Sundin to 1 year, then go after Lecavalier the next. ------------------------------------------------------------ My ultimate dream: Captain Saku Koivu skating around the Bell Centre holding the Stanley Cup.

G-Man's picture
Brisebois has bowed out waaay above my expectations. It's time for him to retire and give up those stupid sports cars. Gilbert

sidhu's picture
A couple thoughts - Brisebois came back last year with the intention (I think) to prove that he is still capable of playing somewhat decent hockey and leaving Montreal on a positive note. He did that, so I would advise Brisebois not to press his luck. Second, and more importantly, the Habs do not need him. Markov, Komo, and Hammer are our top tier defensemen, after that we have a young OB, and two small players in Cube and Gorges. Streit, if resigned, will likely play forward and the point on the PP. We need another top 4 defenseman, not a 7th defenseman in Brisebois. In all honesty, I'd rather pursue a top four defenseman than retain Streit. Streit's value is on the PP, but we need to disabuse ourselves of our reliance on the PP. We all thought the sky would fall offensively without Souray, and it didn't. Similarly, if Streit goes, we have enough offensive weapons to score goals. We need to be better 5-on-5 and neither Streit nor Brisebois will help us much in that regard.

Chuck's picture
A lot of folks thought that we didn't need Brisebois (or a defensman like him) this year... then everyone changed their tune was soon as the Habs started running into injury trouble. If there's room for him, sign him for another year at a reasonable price. . . . . __________________________________

The Teacher's picture
Seems like I missed something somewhere. Oh well, next topic, or to continue the one from before- Brisebois should get no more than 700K if he resigns, equal to last year's salary. BTW, that's a beautiful car. I used to work for a landscaping company, and I once worked on a house on Nun's Island right next door to Theodore's house and across the street from the Breezer's. Talk from the neighbours was that Theo was a rectum and Breezer was very nice. At about 3:30 PM, the Breezer comes out of his garage driving a Red Ferrari, can't hate a guy who knows his cars ;) As for the upcoming Euro, FORZA ITALIA!

Hoegarden's picture
KJD Forza has several meanings. One of them means force ea; Forza bruta - brute force or strength. If you use it with in a sports team context or nation it means "go" as in Forza Italia...Go! Italy! Also, it's the name of the Political Party of Berlusconi, founded around 1993, meaning something like "Forward Italy".

The Teacher's picture
You are going to have a fight with yourself again this year, as Italy plays France in the 3rd game of the group stage. The Division of Death indeed. Italy Netherlands France Romania yikes.

t1tan5's picture
Oranje!!

Persis's picture
Awwww yeah!! Oranje boven!! Group of Death indeed, should be a corking battle to come through there. Maybe if we're really nice, there'll be a tiny Totally Off-Topic corner for us Habs fans who're watching the Euro to gather, rant, and vent? Or is that just waaaay out of bounds?

The Teacher's picture
I do love watching them play!

could not agree more with what you posted here, Doug. Best thing I've read on here in quite awhile. I re-posted it because I like it so much, hope you don't mind. Quote Doug post below nothing bothers me more on this site than the provincialism suggesting that one poster is better than another or that having been here longer gives you some sort of pathetic superiority or that attending the habs summit makes you more of an insider. . . i come here to talk habs, not middle school

24 Cups's picture
Brisebois - And So It Goes. I can't find the strength to hit the keyboard one more time - your detractors know no bounds. Thanks for what you have brought to the Habs over the years. I truly appreciate it. The Original 24 Cups

no way Breezer is coming back! he's just a washed up has been, who never was!

I don't appreciate the fact that my comment was deleted. There was nothing wrong with it. C'mon! lambaste the profane comments only.

Dave Stubbs's picture
"...behaviour that we deem to be offensive" reads the small rules panel on the right. Wishing for someone to be injured, or worse, in a car accident -- not even taking into account you wrote this a week after Luc Bourdon was killed in a motorcycle accident -- is offensive and in bad taste beyond any debate. Maybe you want to think before you hit Send? Dave Stubbs
Habs Inside/Out
Sports Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette

 


But, of course, calling other posters idiots or something of sorts does not fall in this category, right Dave? Perhaps that's cause you don't like them either so you guys let it slide?

The Teacher's picture
How about calling half the NHL really bad names and hope for bad things to happen to them? You are no stranger to that, Timo.

I'll admit to that, but to me attacking a player or a team is not a personal thing. I never, however, made a personal attack on anybody on this site, despite being called names numerous times. My point to Dave was that is they are committed to keeping it clean (which I fully support) then comments with personal attacks on the HIO site users should also be deleted, just as the comments that attack individual NHL players or wishing them injury etc. Btw, you are exaggerating regarind half the NHL. My bashing is solely reserved for a few Habs players and their coach :)

Dave Stubbs's picture
Here's a thought for you, Timo: if readers here want to call each other idiots and pretend they're in grade school, flinging mud in the recess yard, that's fine with me. We've provided what I think is an interesting site at Inside/Out, and a few of us work long and hard to offer a good mix of news and comment. We also try to serve as a portal to many other things about the Canadiens on the internet, directing traffic to sites that some might consider The Gazette's competition. That's our choice. The site has grown tremendously, and there's a bit of an honour system at work here – we let people largely police themselves and hope that they act with a bit of decency, realizing at the same time that Inside/Out often becomes a digital boxing ring and that people whale on each other without having to account for what they say. Ultimately, we have the final say on what we keep on the site and what we delete. The same applies with the accounts we keep active, and those we delete. We'll never catch everything, and if some people get their kicks out of trying to elude us, well, here's wishing they had other things to do with their lives. When someone in a comment wishes someone to be injured or killed in a car accident, we'll delete that. Dave Stubbs
Habs Inside/Out
Sports Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette

 


Lol, Dave. I predicted your reply almost to a letter :)

The Teacher's picture
First off, Dave, you're awesome. For everyone else, "there's a bit of an honour system at work here – we let people largely police themselves and hope that they act with a bit of decency, realizing at the same time that Inside/Out often becomes a digital boxing ring and that people whale on each other without having to account for what they say." Therefore when certain posters try to argue with pot-stirrers, don't make it about "feelings of superiority.", or "summitters." We argue because we want this site to remain a good one. Certain things should not be said, just like the examples Dave has provided us, whereas others such as repeating the same thing over and over with no facts to back it up should and will be rebutted daily. Yes they have the right to their opinion, but we have the right to tell them how illogical and inane that opinion is :) Some would say, who are you to butt in and tell me what I can or can't do to preserve something good? Doing nothing has allowed society to become what it is today. Give me a break, this site is for my enjoyment and I don't want to visit it and read trash and endless drivel. When I first came, this site was great for informed discussion, I hope to see it remain that way.

Moey's picture
Your comments were horrific, end of story.

Brisebois is a good insurance as a number 7 D at around 750 K$ per season and played well this year. He should definitely be signed. Streit is a 7 D as well or a 4th line forward with his value really as a 2nd PP point man. Sign him at 1M$ per year for three years or let him go. Gorges could fill in on the PP point and a more gtitty forward should replace Streit on the fourth line.

G-Man's picture
58 points = 3mil + per season in the NHL. Gilbert

doug's picture
1 million a year for three years? That would be insulting as hell. He'll get $2.25 from someone. While it's true he's a fourth liner and a 7th defensemen, he put up incredible numbers in a contract year. Can't disagree with the logic of being careful. . . but also have to say i'm a fan of the man (which i realize is not the way a GM should be when negotiating).

RH's picture
The UFA list is going to be flooded with defensemen this summer. If the Habs are going to pay $2M for a free agent defenseman, I'd hope they would look up and down that list first, before handing it to Brisebois. I think $1M per would be a more than reasonable offer. Also, the money saved by not signing Brisebois to a bigger contract, could go to signing that impact forward that the Habs so desperately want.

doug's picture
i meant $2M for Streit, not Brisebois

i think he gets more than $2m. $2.5m to $3.0m would be my guess but some PP starved team might break the bank a little and give him more than that.

WindsorHab-10's picture
I have no problem with Brisebois remaining a Hab but not as a player. Thanks for the memories.

von's picture
Breezer, please, you're stunting the growth of our young and up and coming defencemen. Thank you for being a good sport this year, now move along like a good senior and ENJOY RETIREMENT!!! _________________________________ "Obviously it would be great, but they don't really hang conference titles in this rink. They raise Stanley Cup banners." - Carey Price

If Streit is signed i don't think we can afford to have two ultra soft "D" as backups again with regulars Cube and Gorges on the small size already so the team would look much more competitive with a big experienced "D" at Breezer's salary. The decision on Breezer should be the last thing Gainey has to do this summer , just like last year , when we'll know what the basic depth chart would look like.

Here we go again! I promise to sit this one out!!

showey47's picture
Same here, i'm avoiding this one like brisebois and a forechecker.

doug's picture
i triple that motion. no one needs the primadona of the site on your ***. . . or a horse's *** on your ***, as it were. . . i knew kjdavid was KJD - seemed fairly obvious to me based on the initials. don't know where kilroy went but didn't realize he had a bad rap with moey. . . nothing bothers me more on this site than the provincialism suggesting that one poster is better than another or that having been here longer gives you some sort of pathetic superiority or that attending the habs summit makes you more of an insider. . . i come here to talk habs, not middle school. i'll give moey this - she has constantly defended the man who i refuse to put out an opinion regarding. . . and she's done so as fervently as she has crassly dismissed half the posters out here. you can really get a sense of people's personalities through their posts - funny, that. Ed is a really analytical guy who has rule-like principles regarding some things: make fun of Ryder and expect to get blasted with stats, and he's never afraid to personally attack Boone while defending someone else. Mjames' last breath will be "the Habs should be sending in a second forechecker". Yeats is reliably unreliable with his mood swings: used to be this pleasantly bad poet who would write poems to bad 70's songs, now he's occassionaly the guy at the bar who had one too many and his cognitive function lapses to the point that he repeatedly goes on about "that kicker price", whatever a kicker is. ebk is almost always pleasant, as is ian cobb. j.t. is amongst the wittiest of all posters. moey is living in beaconsfield with eight cats. jay from pa is missed. i could go on, but now i'm sounding like one of those guys i berated in the prior paragraph for suggesting there was some form of hierarchy here ;)

A kicker is just another name for goaltender Doug. Time to update the old hockey lexicon there boyo! It's up there with calling a game a tilt. It actually fairly common lingo with us who still play the game. (We never called it a stretch pass when I was growing up. We just said you were trying to catch the hanger, but I've come to embrace it.) As far as Price is concerned, I have several issues. If you're going to be the annointed one, you have to be convincing in that role, regardless of age. Right now, he is in what I call the Wickenheiser Zone, i.e. a high draft pick who appears to have all the tools for success, but can still break either way. For Lafleur, he got out of the Wickenheiser Zone and the rest is history. For the late Doug Wickenheiser, God rest his soul, he had all the numbers in his favor in the 1980 draft coming out of the WHL. The Habs passed on both Denis Savard and Paul Coffey when they aquired him. But, alas, it never worked out for him in Montreal. Price could be really good. I saw him play in the Calder Cup for Hamilton and in the World Junior Tournament. On both occassions, he certainly deserved to get the MVP awards. Yet, he has some really serious flaws in his game that anyone who has ever played rather than merely watched the game can see need to be addressed soon. First, because he mindlessly employs the damned butterfly style, he gives up his natural advantage which is his size. He goes down early and is often way too deep in the net. Granted, they were often deflections, but think about how many times he got beat high to the corners. With the composite sticks that players use today, mediocre guys can blast the puck. You have to get out to the top of the blue paint and make yourself as big as possible. Try to control your rebounds, but realize that it is the defenseman's responsibility to handle the second and third shots. Second, his rebound control was often miserable and I'm being charitable on this one. Against not only the Flyers, but also the Bruins, he served up some t-bones you don't even get in an average pickup game. Third, his communication with his defensemen needs some serious work. How many times did he go behind the net in both series and we all cringed watching him just baffle the living *** out of his partners. (If Claude Julien had the presence of mind to start Phil Kessle at the beginning of the series against the Bruins, it's even money the Habs would have gone out in the first round.) I guess everyone has forgotten Price's "Bill Buckner" gaff on Glen Metropolit. That turned the whole goddamn series around in a heartbeat. One final point on my mood swings: if you had grown up playing the game from the age of four forward and you waded through most of the crap on HIO, you'd lose your *** on more than a few occassions. But, I should be used to it. When I was at Columbia, I played with alot of classmates that were from Montreal. They just came from the part of town I guess that didn't have any rinks. Final point on the 2008-09 roster: You ice pretty much the same team as last season and the best you can hope for is a similar result: a Conference Championship. Yes, the young guys will be a year older, but the Habs were truely blessed on the medical front, something that is unlikely to be replayed next year. Unless Gainey makes some meaningful moves before the next season, the Habs will end up being entertaining -- not necessarily a bad thing -- but someone else will take the Cup for a walk.

doug's picture
hey brian - i simply think that all of the things you mentioned about price occurred mostly in the playoffs, not during the point of time when he was playing solid goal for long stretches after the huet trade. I was not supportive of having him on the roster at the beginning of the season in place of halak, but the experiment turned out fairly well. As far as being "the anointed one", I think it's always important to remember that maybe management pushed him too hard and expected too much but I'd hate to see him maligned for that and then end up losing his confidence. Bottom line is that he's a work in progress who had a very solid rookie season and was very poor in the playoffs, especially the second round. Not his fault - he's 20, he should have or could have been used differently - but i forgive him for wanting to play and accepting being put in there when he really was burned out and needed a break. I've played hockey since 4 as well, went to other Ivy league schools, and have done well for myself as have you. That doesn't excuse being intolerant of people with either less hockey knowledge (subjectively) or different opinions. We're not better than anyone else just because of longer educational pedigrees or more time spent at the rink. This is a free site, and anyone who wishes to put their position across with civility should be accepted, in my opinion. Those who are angry or racist or what-have-you should be ignored, again, in my opinion, rather than inflamed and given a mouthpiece. The only time I step in is when a bully is being a jerk to someone else - then I can't help myself. Timo may be really negative and it can be frustrating, the Teacher may perceive himself to be the "moral conscious" and policeman of the site when the former is not required and the latter is Stubbs' job, Moey may be snarky. They're all entitled to be whoever they wish, and I try to reserve judgmental comments - although i fail about weekly - to times when i feel that someone was unfairly attacked by someone (e.g. Moey on Timo, Moey on KJD, etc. Anyway, I just wrote what I wrote because I honestly enjoy your commentary when you keep it on the level, but at times it seems like you had a bad day and you seem uncharacteristically negative, sarcastic, or clever. It comes across as mean-spirited and holier-than-thou to me, and as someone who respects 90% of your posts and 100% of what I konw of you I sometimes wish you'd watch your tone so that your detractors won't have ammunition. Yours, Doug

Doug, I've tried to post the following sentiment several times before, but the thought police scrubbed it for some wacky reason. I agree with what you wrote above. All the best, Brian.

The Teacher's picture
Yes, I have heard a goaltender being called a kicker before, never knew about a hangar before, that's funny. I think everyone is overreacting regarding Price, the kid just played his first professional season and didn't do too bad. Yes he did not play well in the final 5 games, but that is just 5 games. He didn't get too much help to be honest with you. I've noticed Yeats repeatedly pointing it out but he has commented on other players as well. We all know Price didn't live up to expectations, and that's ok. His rebound control was awesome throughout the season, it is just in the latter part of the playoffs it fell off. Maybe his defencemen have to adjust to him better and be more confident is his ability to get them the puck. Make use of his skills, don't detract from them, but that will take time. And seriously, you guys need to stop commenting on his style and how he should change it, it is his style and will not change. Ron Tugnutt didn't all of a sudden decide to change because everyone was butterflying I find when he loses confidence he does go down too early, but remember, he is still only entering his second pro season. Yes we are the Montreal Canadiens and we should expect to win every year, but the horsecrap we've gone through in the last 15 years needs to be flushed out for that to happen.

I get the impression at times that this style is being imposed on him. I don't recall him playing that way in either the World Junior Tournament or the Calder Cup run. And, if indeed he was fatigued, Carbo should have realized it an played Halek more down the stretch. He's more than capable of being a number 1 in the NHL. Imagine, if they had won Game 4 against the Flyers with him between the pipes? Carbo would have had one hell of a choice in Game 5.

Moey's picture
Primadona & a (nice) horse's a#s, hell at this age I'll take it!

Moey's picture
Aaawwww...c'mon we know you want to!!! You were in fine form last night, do you notice any similarities between KJD and our dearly departed Kilroy?

Hope the discussion above lays it all out for you. On the matter of Lats, unfortunately, his biggest problem is his lack of speed. And, like size, you can't teach that. There is just no way barring drugs you can turn him into Mike Gartner.

No problem. I was just being a ***. Time to put the '07-'08 campaign in the books and move on. I probably agree with you more on Price than it appears. To be fair, none of us, even the coaching staff it would appear, had any clue as to how fried Price must have been. The job of a professional goaltender is way different than others. It's not as if he could tell the management of the Habs that he would like to detox for a few weeks before staring his new job. The real upside to last year, compared to the late Doug Wickenheiser situation, is that Price got a real good taste of what it means to play in the NHL and in Montreal. Lats we'll just have to disagee on, although I hope you're right and I'm wrong. If he can work on his skating with Gingras and is willing to go to the front of the next, there may be a future with the squad. The problem with power skating drills is that they will certainly help him be stronger on the puck, but their ability to help his speed is limited.

Moey's picture
Okay, I'll agree with you about Timo, he seriously needs to be measured for a straight jacket. None of us can pass judgement on Price, at the very least he needs to put in a full season as number 1. Breezer got the worst of it last season, especially from some of the "respected" posters, cheap shots at every opportunity. The GM, coaching staff will do their best by our team, Gainey, Muller & Carbo have always and will be totally committed to winning. I liked Breezer's comments in the audio clip, he states that they all had fun playing last season but need to learn how to win. That will be this season's task, no big deal if we don't land the big center, getting the kiddies to take it more seriously and developing some killer instinct along the way is key.

Moey, honey, do you miss me? It looks like you do cause you can't seem to stop mentioning my name in your posts. Perhaps you can give me a good spanking while I am in one of those straight jackets, cause I've been a bad boy doing all that brisbois and carbonneau bashing.

Nope, not a chance. Have to go pack my gear and play at West Point tonight. You want to see some bold theories on how the sport should be played, check us out.(I threw in the towel after his sand in the female private area comment. It sounded like he actually knew from experience somehow.)

Moey's picture
Enjoy your game.

He turned out to be an asset this season and because of that I wouldn't mind having him back again for another season in the same role.

RudeMood19's picture
Keep him, but only as a fill in defenseman. He's been a good Canadien. ____________________________________________________________ 1. February 19th, 2008, a day which will live in sublimity.

Moey's picture
I like Breezer and it's fine by me if he is here next season.

Tobiass's picture
I second that motion.