Plan B for ... Brad
posted by Mike Boone at 8h55 EST on Jun 30
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Submitted by nightmare_49 on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 21:37.
For depth : Two sleepers for the Habs to watch and they will come cheap and could help with our depth. Ryan Johnson 31 years/old 6'1" 202 C/LW L good skater , good fore checker and very decent defensively and versatile and good on faceoffs but limited offense , the Blues like him but are going with youth (reserve forward). ..... Matt Walker 28 years/old 6'3" 236 D/R uses his size well , good defensively , limits errors , gets puck out and will mix it but brings no offence and average skater, Blues have an abundance of young "D" studs (numbers game) , two way contract just like Jamie Rivers had last year but bolted.
Submitted by sidhu on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 23:21.
I think we're in good shape when it comes to our 3rd and 4th lines - Lats, Max, Chipchura, Begin, Kosto, Grabs, Stewart... not to mention Higgy and Koivu may drop to the third line depending on if we get a top center.
Submitted by The Teacher on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 22:12.
Who?
no thanks.
Submitted by Chuck on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:48.
The talks with Mats weren't just about Mats; they were about laying the foundation for all of the potential scenarions that could affect the Habs come July 1st. At least Bob will know going into the free agent signing frenzy knowing his status with Sundin, and just how tenaciously he should pursue him.
Gainey undoubtedly has a plan B, C, D, etc., and will enact on them accordingly because of the framework of his free-agent strategy that he's put in place from the day that he got Sundin's exclusive negotiating rights.
Who knows? Maybe Sundin told Bob that he wants to pull a Selanne; "Go ahead and make the changes that you're interested in, but leave 3-million free for when I give you a call at the All-Star break..."
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Submitted by SmartDog on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:53.
Plan B - Hossa - too much money, contract too long
Plan C - Rolston - going to Tampa
Plan D - Streit, Breezer, Slowinski..... oh no... here we go again.
Let's go for Plan S - Stay where we are. Opportunities arise later for GOOD teams with CAP SPACE ... AND who have GREAT PROSPECTS to trade. Some team with an expensive sniper will be glad to swap big salary for solid young guys. But if we fill the cap space with bad deals... we're done like dinner.
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Submitted by Chuck on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:56.
It wouldn't surprise me if Gainey's Plan B is to stand pat, or to maybe make a small tweak, rather than to go for the biggest fish remaining in the pond. The one thing that you can't replace as the season goes along is cap space.
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Submitted by SmartDog on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 21:16.
Hope you're right Chuck. I think we have a good team now. Maybe a 1 mil tough guy with a smidgen of talent and we see where that takes us.
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Submitted by HabsFanInTampa on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:30.
We had a chance to get a 6'4" 240 lbs bruising and gritty forward and we let him slip out of our fingers. Ryan Malone would've brought some much needed brawn to our team chemistry. Let's hope we don't pick up another small player that other teams can throw around like a rag doll come playoff time.
Submitted by TommyB on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:34.
No, we didn't have a chance to pick him up. He wasn't available until July 1st. Tampa traded for his rights and thereby was able to convince him to sign with them. The fact that his dad was recently hired in the organization somewhere might also have something to do with it...ya think?
Submitted by HabsFanInTampa on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:39.
I didn't know about his father being in the Bolts' organization. Sure, I guess that would persuade him.
Submitted by The Teacher on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:30.
Tampa can waste their money on him.
no thanks.
Submitted by HabsFanInTampa on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:36.
It's about winning a Stanley Cup, not money. You make it sound like you're writing the team payroll cheques.
Submitted by The Teacher on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 22:13.
Well, they're not winning the Cup either lol.
Submitted by HabsFanInTampa on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 07:15.
I never said they (Lightning) were going to win the Stanley Cup. I just mentioned that The Habs would have benefited enormously from an acqusition of a Ryan Malone type player.
Submitted by nightmare_49 on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:16.
Buffalo signs RFA Paul Gaustad to 4 year deal , that's one player i would love to have on the Habs .... TSN>CA .... http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=242088&lid=sublink01&lpos=headlines_nhl
Submitted by The Teacher on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:22.
And Buffalo got him at a great deal.
This NHL sometimes.
Submitted by yehaken on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:10.
We don't need another defenseman, we need to give O'Byrne more playing time. And remember this, Habs fans:
Every year, we think the Habs are going to sign great big free agents to bring us closer to the cup. And every year, we're wrong. So how about this for a plan B. We have the same team with a few minor changes, and we look forward to the playoffs being the real test.
If we sign no one else, we're still better that we were last year (+Tanguay, -Ryder) and we were pretty good last year and look better next year (Philly-Umberger).
Good article on HockeyBuzz (an extremely rare phenomenon) about different stages of team development the other day. Basically, old teams have to pay up for quality because they only have one more shot. Up and coming teams have less to worry about because their core is improving. Then there's Detroit, which finds Swedish Yzermans in the 5th round every year. Damn them.
Submitted by REB2 on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 21:48.
HEY, the nickname is the FLYING FRENCHMEN! I don't give a rats a$$ if the other team scores 10 goals per game, so long as we score 11...to paraphrase some old buzzard in laff-land. "Defense, Schmefense"! I want OFFENSE!...the best defense is a strong offense!
Submitted by filincal on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 21:15.
young d coming out the wazoo, and only a year away from them making a splash in the lineup. No need to sign a big name d.
I don't think anybody was complaining when Bouillion plastered opponents into the boards or stuck up for anyone of his team mates.
D isn't our main concern, it's a BIG centre. Which we've lusted for every time Sundin would hide the puck on his stick,or when Florida with their large swedish Captain would have their way with us for so many years or even when the Habs would rarely play the canucks and get caught watching Bert dangle the puck between his legs and score in OT. I could go on.
BTW I only remember Bouillion playing for two other organizations.
I BLEED BLEU BLANC ET ROUGE!!!
Submitted by RC-51 on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 21:41.
Florida's EX-captain is from Finland
Submitted by The Teacher on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:09.
Federov is a pretty decent alternative.
I think Bob waits Sundin out.
Submitted by Ian Cobb on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:08.
I just phoned Sweden and asked him what tomorrow might bring for him and he said he would call me in about 3 or 4 weeks after he knows if he will play next year or not to let me know. I know him to be a man of his word. Sure hopes this helps everyone out. Boone said he would flip me the cost of the call.
Submitted by Ian Cobb on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:16.
Postie Jim, thought I could get you to bite on this one, your just to sharp in your old age.!!
Submitted by gmd on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:02.
Where do you think Michael Ryder will end up? I'm guessing with the Dallas Stars.
Submitted by Y on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:15.
He'll team up with Raycroft and do standup.
Their first joke of the night:
"So we were 1 and 2 in the Calder Cup voting"
Audience:
ROFLMFAO
Submitted by SmartDog on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:33.
That was funny. LOL
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Submitted by TommyB on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:08.
I would bet on Boston or Toronto. Boston because of Julien, Toronto because Ryder may come cheap enough and they have skewered their roster.
Submitted by nightmare_49 on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 22:26.
Tommy B. - Fletcher did mention he was interested in the UFA's but they had to be under 30 years old and no white hair so Ryder fits , good call.
Submitted by J.T. on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:05.
Vancouver's interested because they need a RW to snipe for the Sedins. We'll see in about fourteen hours, I guess.
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Submitted by RS on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:27.
Canucks. Yep, I agree, I was saying that all last season. Ryder could play just on the PP with the Sedins and score another 30 easy.
Submitted by G-Man on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 23:23.
Michael Ryder = too laid back. Everything's a lark. If he applied himself, we'd happily give him 5mil a season. But no, laugh everything off and go have another beer.
Gilbert
Submitted by twocents on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:04.
I bet in Boston with Julien.
Submitted by nightmare_49 on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:55.
Huet very close to signing with the Caps (3 year for 15 million).. Tarek El-Bashir .. Wash. post .... http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitalsinsider/ Rolston pondering Bolts contract offer ..50/50 chance of signing .. by Erik Erlendsson .. tbo.com .... http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/comments/update-on-malone-rolst... On Melnick's radio show Pierre Maguire said that Sundin is headed to the New York Rangers to play with Jagr ..... On the Columbus podcast it's said the Blue Jackets are going to take a run at Brendan Morrison Tuesday .. Detroit Free Press is reporting that GM Holland will inquire about Sundin Tuesday and also Bertuzzi but 1.5 million the limit for Todd
Submitted by ebk on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:02.
nice job on all the link NM49, much appreciated
No way the Rangers have the cash to sign both Sundin and Jagr. They look to have about $22m to spend but only have 13 players under contract. Sundin and Jagr will eat up at least $15 million so that would leave them very short of money to fill out their roster. They need defenseman in the worst way there.
Submitted by J.T. on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:59.
I don't know how the Rangers can sign both Sundin AND Jagr. The only way they could squeeze both of them under the cap is if they give them deferred bonus-laden contracts with about a five million dollar base salary. Only problem is, they can't give bonuses this year because it's the last year of the CBA. You can't carry over bonuses when a contract may not exist next year. So, it's one or the other for Mr.Sather, I think.
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Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:59.
i hate the rangers always have always will.
Submitted by eyhp on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:59.
If Sundin and Rolston are not available, why not Sergei Fedorov? He will be the perfect third line center, he can also play on the first two lines if needed, and he will enjoy playing with his Russian comrades here.
Submitted by REB2 on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 21:53.
FEDOROV!!! Isn't he, like, 75 or so??? Seriously, he's farther along the career path than Sundin...
Submitted by J.T. on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:27.
I've long been a proponent of bringing in Fedorov. He's still fast, great defensively (even to the point that he can fill in on the blueline in a pinch), he's great on the draw and he can score a few points as well. Plus he has tons of experience and has won championships. Nothing wrong with him at all...if Sundin makes it clear he's not coming.
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Submitted by filincal on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:33.
Maybe Federov...3 years ago.
I think he might be close to retiring. He's on his last wheels.
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Submitted by ebk on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:10.
one strong selling point for Federov is, he can play the point on the PP and replace Mark Streit.
Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:10.
that could be plan C. would be a good fit. older but loads of experience, very good on faceoffs...another russian.
Submitted by SmartDog on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:03.
I LOVED Federov in his 20's and 30's and 40's. :) Does he still have game left in him? He was a great player - solid, focused, talented.
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Submitted by Moey on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:38.
Up to 270 comments with no news, imagine this site if Sundin signs with us. LOL, I hope the IT people have expanded their server capacities :)
Submitted by 24 Cups on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:01.
Moey - Best post of the day, especially the bit about the IT people. If Sundin signs with the Habs, this site will be running slower than Big Brown did during the Belmont Stakes:-)
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Submitted by Moey on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:14.
Boy oh boy, did he drop the biggest smelliest brown one on the track that day!! I was stunned.
For some strange reason I think Sundin will sign with us. Let's face it, you have Sundin who carried the laffs on his back for years with nothing to show for it, same goes for Saku with the Habs. A marriage made in heaven, they can just look at each other and say, okay mate let's finally get this done.
Submitted by The Teacher on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:47.
LMAO, nice one.
I just saw the # of comments and was about to post on it.
Submitted by SmartDog on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:45.
A lotta hockey-desperate guys. Me, I work on my computer all day and am bored.... I dunno what other people's excuses are! Or maybe it's just that the a--es haven't shown up yet and we're enjoying the relative calm.
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Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:05.
bored...need to trash laffs.
Submitted by TommyB on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:36.
For what it's worth...and believe me, it ain't worth much...all the Toronto sports programs this evening had the same thing to say about Sundin's decision as the rest of you:
He's going to Montreal
He's going to Detroit
He's going to New York
He's retiring....
In other words, nobody has a f'n clue! So we are getting no help anywhere. The one thing that stands out that burns my *ss the most, is that they say Sundin may take as long as a month to make his decision. Where does that leave us? We can't wait for him. I applaud Gainey for taking the initiative in going after Sundin ahead of everyone else, but it may turn out that that exercise was totally useless. No way Bob could have foreseen that. Anyway, as much as I might appreciate the big Swede in Montreal, no decision by Tuesday...walk away.
Submitted by J.T. on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:10.
I don't care if Sundin takes until August. I don't really see another gamebreaker that fits Montreal's needs as well. If Gainey isn't planning to take on a third-liner like Fedorov, then I'm perfectly happy to wait until Sundin makes up his mind. Habs without him are very good. Habs with him are great.
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Submitted by TommyB on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:14.
I can't disagree with you on that, JT. But do you really think Gainey would wait that long for him and get caught without a chair in the musical chairs game of free agency availabilities? There is only so much money, and without a committment from Sundin, I would have to think Bob will look at other scenarios.
Submitted by 24 Cups on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:26.
JT & TB - I agree with both you guys. If we can't land Sundin, then we really need to cool our jets and take a step back. We would be left with 3 basic choices (1) status quo (2) sign a stop gap centre and defenseman to one year contracts (3) make a trade using some of our young assets for a decent centre. Point #3 could be done during the summer or during the winter once a few teams start to tank and want to make a deal to shake up their team. No use spending money now just because you have it. And no long term deals. Strictly one or two year contracts for any UFAs.
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Submitted by J.T. on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:22.
Why though? The Habs aren't a bad team. They don't have any gaping holes. I think if Sundin is telling the truth about not knowing where he wants to go, and I have no reason to think he's full of crap, then Bob probably knows the true state of things better than anyone. Maybe he has reason to believe Sundin will sign with him if he decides to play at all. Maybe he thinks the team is fine as it is and Sundin is the piece that will put it over the top. You can't just replace that kind of piece with some other player. So, maybe it's worth waiting for him. The one thing every pundit out there agrees on is that Sundin isn't likely to retire. He's strong, healthy and has just come off a really good offensive season. So, if it's one of his quirks that he take forever to make up his mind, why not let the Habs be there waiting with a ton of cash in hand when he does? Let every other team jump at the secondary players if they want. But I hate to think that Sundin might finally decide to come back for a year or two and Gainey would have no money to pay him.
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Submitted by Chuck on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:52.
Do you think that a well-rested Sundin would play half a year for 3-million?
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Submitted by TommyB on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:29.
I think Gainey would have to be darn sure that Sundin would in fact sign with Montreal if he did take that long to make up his mind. Could Gainey be that sure? Other teams are interested, but one point in your favour is the Rangers do not have a track record of being patient. They would want to sign somebody NOW...Hossa, if they can afford him. But Detroit on the other hand may be willing to wait it out with Montreal.
I think Gainey wants to improve his team this year and take it a little further than last year if possible. To do this, he may have to tweak things a little. So, if he can't add that big centre he may look at some other way of improving the Habs chances. No matter where else he looks for help, the pricetag is going to be high, as we have seen in recent days with signings of other middle of the pack players.
Submitted by J.T. on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:36.
I think he's already improved the team's chances with the acquisition of Tanguay. One of the regular complaints about the team last year was that only one scoring line was going at a time, for long stretches. Part of the problem was that Ryder wasn't producing. Now you've got a major upgrade on Ryder in Tanguay. So, with his proven track record of producing, you might finally see two consistent offensive lines. Add the expected improvement of the young D-men and goalies and I think the team will inevitably improve overall. So what if Gainey can't add a name tomorrow? So what if he can't add Sundin in two months' time? It's still a very, very good team. But if it's to be a great team, you have to add just the right part, and I think Sundin's it. It's worth waiting for. If he doesn't sign with Gainey, so be it. But if he does...wow.
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Submitted by TommyB on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:41.
Solid logic, and I agree with you. I'm just wondering what Gainey has going through his mind, I guess. I've posted earlier basically just what you have said. We still have a very good team...perhaps great team with Sundin added...no need to chase every name that becomes available. Does Gainey see it that way? Time will tell.
Submitted by Chuck on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:54.
I have a feeling that Gainey could outwait a glacier.
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Submitted by J.T. on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:48.
I hope so, Tom. I really do. I just think Gainey's in the driver's seat and he doesn't neet to panic about paying top dollar for a name, just so he can say he got one. The team will be just fine as is. We haven't even seen what the players will do in camp. We can expect OB to be closer to becoming a real number 4 this year. Gorges will improve. Price and Halak too. Chipchura may be closer to sticking as a shutdown centre. I just don't want to see a repeat of the Samsonov disaster, with a guy signed just because Gainey went with Plan E. I guess we can cross our fingers and hope for the best tomorrow. And if nothing happens, I'm fine with that.
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Submitted by linp on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:50.
Do you really think Toronto would let Bob talk to Sundin if they think there is a chance that Sundin may go to Montreal? Just handover your captain to your closest competitor. Just keep dreaming guys!
Submitted by Chuck on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:59.
On Toronto radio today, Fletcher said that he didn't want to lose Sundin for nothing, so he traded the negotiating rights to the team that he felt had the best chance of signing Sunding before July 1st.
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Submitted by TommyB on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:01.
Yes I do ....Fletcher wanted to trade Sundin to Montreal at the deadline last February but Mats told him to stuff his trade. Fletcher wants something from Montreal. Montreal has a stockpile of young roster players and good prospects, perhaps more than any other team in the league. At the deadline in February, it was Higgins apparently. Fletcher knows that come July 1st anyone can make a bid on Sundin and the Leafs get squat, so he tried to gain something from it. Fletcher and the Leaf organization don't want Sundin, and don't give a rat's ass where Sundin goes. Montreal being Toronto's closest competitor hasn't been a fact for the last 30 years, except in the minds of some of us fans.
Submitted by linp on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:45.
I'll remind you about your broken dream come September. so long!
Submitted by TommyB on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:49.
Huh? My broken dream? Man, you lost me on that one.
Submitted by showey47 on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:42.
Toronto isn't montreals closest competitor, toronto will be to busy competiting with florida and the islanders for last place in the conference. Also competiting with the bottom feeders of the west for the taveras sweepstakes.
Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:07.
totally agree, end of story.
Submitted by TommyB on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:07.
One other thing....if your plan is to tank and thereby increase your chances in the Tavares sweepstakes next June, why not send your captain and best player to a team that you will play, what, 6 times next year? Fletcher ain't no Sam Pollock, but I'm sure he's heard of him.
Submitted by ebk on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:46.
actually on a serious note, I believe Fletcher worked for Pollock
Submitted by twocents on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:15.
Fletcher ain't no Sam Pollock, but I'm sure he's heard of him.
LOL
Wow, lively evening in here!
Submitted by sidhu on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:20.
Hey Teach, here's a pic of Sundin's lady friend:
http://multimedia.thestar.com/images/cb/34/fce870e347bcb81175102372571f....
According to RDS, Super Sexe has offered her a 3 year, $10/hour contract plus tips to be paid in all singles.
Submitted by The Teacher on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:51.
She seems happy at least.
Thanks.
Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:08.
seen better.
Submitted by SmartDog on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:42.
I offered her a 1 week contract at $20/hour with room and board AND a metro pass. But she said length was the most important thing. Not sure exactly what she meant. :P
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Submitted by saku11saku11 (not verified) on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:10.
dog - obviously you didn't have the guaranteed "length" she needed. i offered her the length she needs but she is not willing to relocate to a small market town.... sigh.. we both lost out!!
Submitted by SmartDog on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:29.
Hard to compete with a guy who's 6'4"! I hear his shoes are a size 14!
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Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:40.
guess she likes bald.
Submitted by Shiloh on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:43.
Bald? Is that the correct spelling?
Submitted by mrhabby on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 19:39.
haha..lol
Submitted by TommyB on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:28.
That the best you can do?....LOL
Submitted by The Teacher on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:01.
My friend in T.O.
Take it for what it's worth says Rolston offered 6 years @ 28.5 million
Submitted by SmartDog on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:50.
No-one's gonna sign Rolston for 6 years. Your friend must have been reading the TSN story where they said he was 25. And BTW, get another friend! This one has bad hockey info!
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Submitted by Blitzen on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:07.
I guess Tampa is using the Yankmee/Mangers way of building a team.
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Submitted by Rooster on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 17:56.
Also...not to mention the little fact that if Gainey in fact does sign Sundin, it'll only be for a year.... 2 years at the most.
Submitted by The Teacher on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 17:57.
But that's ok, that's what we want.
Submitted by Rooster on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 17:58.
yeah I know, so if he only signs for one year, and then retires / signs somewhere else...that frees up 8+mil..
Submitted by The Teacher on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:00.
2 is fine with me as well.
Submitted by Rooster on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:03.
I'd prefer 1.
Would you rather have sundin?
or Higgins, Sergei, and Komi?
Submitted by The Teacher on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 17:45.
Huh, Roberts gets 1.25 million plus 10,000 per game. Interesting
Submitted by SmartDog on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:38.
If he's smart he'll just play one game. 1.26 Mil for one game would be the best sports payday in history... and from there it's downhill - even if he only plays 10 games he's only getting a hundred grand each. Chicken's feed compared to the BIG money one game will bring.
I think I should become a sports advisor.
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