Plus ça change ...

posted by Mike Boone at 19h40 EST on Jul 1


When the free agent market opened for business at noon today, the Montreal Canadiens needed a big centre and number four defenceman.

It's 8 p.m., Bob Gainey.

Do you know where your needs are?

Mats Sundin is pondering an offer by the Vancouver Canucks: two years, $20 million.

Brian Rolston has returned to the New Jersey Devils, the team that drafted him.

Brian Campbell is going to Chicago.

Michal Rozsival is staying in New York.

The Rangers also signed Wade Redden to a six-year contract at $6.5 million per.

The Edmonton Oilers, active on the trade front today, are going hard at Marian Hossa.

Canadiens fans are disappointed. Mats Sundin would have been a perfect fit, and Gainey moved heaven and earth to sign him.

It didn't work – and please, can the second-guessing. 

The Vancouver offer is crazy. Should the Canadiens have offered Sundin more than the combined salaries of Saku Koivu and Alex Kovalev?

How would that have played in the room?

 



The Canadiens have locked up Andrei Kostitsyn for three years at $3.25 million per. Huge raise – he made $612,000 – but not outlandish, given the contagion of profligacy that is sweeping the league.

Canadiens are $11 million or so under the salary cap limit of $56.7 million. There is room to maneuver, but the pickings are becoming slim.

A deal for Patrick Marleau?

Markus Naslund?

Jagr? Avery? Selanne?

How about trading for a defenceman? Dan Boyle? Bryan McCabe?

Brooks Orpik?

Mark Streit?

Stay tuned.


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Greg's picture
Bryan McCabe! yeah we should give him $20 million for 2 years. Naslund is another Koivu but not as good. We need size. We need Gui! with hands that aren't made of stone. If Avery signs here I'll eat my hat. Marleau has a no-trade clause, and i'd be surprised if he was willing to waive it in the first few days he has it... and for who? it's not worth it to give up Higgins and Lapierre for Marleau... If he was a free agent, sure. But we don't have a lot to trade, especially now that we lost Ryder and Streit. The Bulldog guys (Grabovski, d'Agostini, Stewart, Locke) don't have a lot of trade value, not if we're looking to sign an "impact player". Maybe Sundin will want a Cup more than a few more million dollars, and maybe Bob knows something we don't, but if you ask me (and I realize no one has), we should all be getting used to the look of the team now, because I don't think it's going to change much. Start counting days until training camp!

There's an old saying where I'm from. #$%^ them! Now let's get on with building our team without overpriced questionable talent.

Vid's picture
Tough luck but I don't expect to see any significant acquisitions in the free agent market this summer probably 5th Dman and 3rd line forward at most for depth purposes. Without looking at training camp and assuming we do sign our RFAs, the lines would likely appear to be: AKosts Pleks Kovy Tangy Koivu SKosts Higgs Laps Lats Begin Chips Kosto Stewart? D'Agostino? Grabs* Markov Komi OB* Hammer Cube Gorges* Dandy Price Halak* PP units AKosts Pleks Kovy, Markov SKosts Higgs Koivu Lats, Tangy Hammer Not bad really. Although one or two key injuries on D or forward lines could send us crashing down. Even without Streit I think we our a better team overall. We probably won't have the #1 PP anymore but I think we'll make up for it in even strength offense. Not sure if you'd really be able to trade Begin or Dandy. Grabs if signed could be traded but not for much really. If nothing happens in the summer, I have no worries even if other teams in the East get better, a trade might come up during the season that could benefit us.

Greg's picture
Higgins is wasted with Laps and Lats.

ryder gone to boston..4m per year for 3 years

MikeL's picture
The craziness continues. Boston signed Ryder for 3 years at 4 mill per year.

Good for Ryder. I'm happy for him. He was treated like sh8t by Carbo. He may come back to haunt him (Carbo).

lol,,ya beat me.

Lemur's picture
That 7 million is all we really have to offer. Its definitely not a question of spending money for this organization, and it never really was. Now we finally have a management team that is holding itself accountable, and making the right moves, unlike some other franchises in the NHL. We still have 3 players to sign (all important to this years team), let the rest of the GM's overpay for the talent that's out there, and we'll pick the best player that's left over after all is said and done. By the way, this was only day 1, this could last all summer. lemur out

Well, can't say I'm surprised that Gainey stayed out of this lunacy. Of the "top" free agents that I would have gone after if I were G.M. (for what incredibly little its worth) Sundin remains available. Rolston and Streit were signed by other teams...I don't think Rolston was ever coming to a Canadian team, and Streit cashed in on a career year (a la Sheldon Souray) and I wish him the best in New York. Montreal has far too many defence prospects kicking around to be offering contracts of long enough term, so Redden, Campbell and Roszival were never real possibilities. Stuart decided to stay in Detroit, and who can blame him. For those of you who are whining about the lack of action by Gainey, please check out the salary structure of the Detroit Red Wings this past season: when you get past Lidstrom at $7.6 million and Rafalski at $6.0 million, nobody else made more than $3.5 million (http://static.fantasysports.ca/NHLSalaryData/globe/team-Det-eff.html). Their free agent signings last summer were Brian Rafalski, Dallas Drake and Dominik Hasek. Two summers ago, it was Dominik Hasek, Greg Johnson and Danny Markov. Let's look at another "model" NHL franchise, the Anaheim Ducks. In 2006, they signed Ian Moran and Travis Green (and also acquired Pronger by trade). In 2007, they signed Todd Bertuzzi, Matt Schneider and Shane Hnidy. Both teams got where they were from building a strong talent base and tweaking it as necessary. Gainey has built a strong core, and is now starting to tweak the lineup. In 2006, he signed Sergei Samsonov (while also acquiring Niinimaa and Johnson by trade). In 2007, he signed Kostopolous, Hamrlik, Smolinski and Brisebois, all of whom contributed to a great regular season and first-round playoff win, all the while providing crucial mentorship to our core of young players. This year, Alex Tanguay has already been added and I wouldn't be suprised to see a couple of depth players also added. With the addition of Tanguay, I would be a bit surprised to see Montreal make a run at Hossa. Gainey's moves are not always right (see Samsonov, Sergei and Niinimaa, Janne) but I hardly think he is gun-shy. He just realized that the teams with the biggest splash on July 1 don't always win the Cup. In fact, they almost never do. But as Gainey leads the Canadiens back to being a contender and a classy organization, Montreal will once again become a desirable destination.

MikeL's picture
great post. agree 100%

HAB-PROFESSOR's picture
look at this logically....Gainey has kept his money because he is going to sign Sundin, thats why he didn't go to plan B,C,D etc... he is still on PLAN A!..thats why Sundin is not signed YET. If Sundin was going somewhere else, Gainey would have made a move today.

..... pure speculation. You could also said Gainey's attempts at concluding plan b or even c hasn't materialised today therefore our original offer to sundin still stand as we speak..... and will stand as long as we dont sign a new player and as long as sundin remains open to offers.

howtathor's picture
The bottom line for today's "free agent frenzy" seems to be overpaying. I hear the Canadiens are going in another direction vis a vis Sundin. Isn't it time for us to up the ante and join the fray to acquire an impact player? Heck, we have the BEST market in hockey. I can't fathom that it's a matter of dollars and cents (aside from the cap). It's time to stop acting so nebbish and holding on to that 7 mil a year offer because it just ain't going to cut it in this day's market. C'mon George, loosen those purse strings. Sundin, Hossa...still available!

Chorske's picture
You can bet that Bob has the green light from Gillett to max out on the cap.

..... he always had it and will always have it.

Corporate's picture
I haven't posted on yet today.. Here is my evaluation of the da so far... One word says it all... Overpayed.. Huet, Campbell, Sundin.. and many more.. Is there anything wrong with a building a team from within.. It worked for us for years and we have the talent to go real far with the talent we have... As for the Canadiens.. I do not blame Bob for not signing any UFA yet... He offered something very reasonable and I thought high for Sundin.. I hope that he doesn't give contracts and are unreasonable.. In my honest opinion I believe Sergei K. will center spomeone this year. He has great vision of the ice and he is tough enough to work both ends of the ice... So I truly believe he will be a centre in training this year, and he will do great... Players win games, teams win championships. - Bill Taylor

..... building from within is an overstatement.... we didn't draft kovalev neither did we Hamrlik..... Rafalsky and Stuart wasn't draft by detroit either..... its clear that teams are the sum total of many different things. I see alike you about SK being a potential center and its one of the reason that i am hoping that gainey could still bring in an offensive capable winger from this year's market...... I would love to see our three first lines next year displaying top notch scoring prowess and speed.

ebk's picture
After picking up Cole, Edmonton doesn't seem to have the cap room to sign Hossa.

MikeL's picture
I vote Habsfan09 and FORDTOUGH off the island. Damn, that only works on tv.

twocents's picture
Well this contraption has a screen like a TV...you sure we can't make it work?

Corporate's picture
Monreal Canadiens fan yet don't know Bell Canada Inc. never owned the team.. Shame on you... Second... Are you out of your mind... This is a different era.. It isn't the Canadiens from the 50's, 60's, or 70's... Players now know the pressure of playing here.. I rather have a player that plays with is heart out and truly loves the city (Koivu, Kovy, A. Kostitsyn), then players that will buckle under pressure (Briere). Players win games, teams win championships. - Bill Taylor

Bean's picture
SALARY CAP. Look into it. The fact we sell out every game doesn't mean we can suddenly bypass the cap and throw everything the organization pulls in at every player that tickles your fancy.

Chuck V.'s picture
Yeah man totally our owner not wanting to pay the cash. What's he doing putting a "cap" on our team salary? How come we can't offer every player 15 million and just get them all to play for us? Maybe then we could have an army of the world's best players, all paid exorbitant sums of money! Yeah!

MikeL's picture
The salary cap might have a bigger impact than the "cheapskate owner". Gainey offered Sundin a 2 year deal worth at least 7 or 8 million. The other teams are over paying. How did not getting Daniel Briere last year work out for us? We finished first in the east, while Briere became a PP specialist who was -20. You're one of those winer fans who ya never hear from unless there is something to bash.

twocents's picture
Ah... Bell has never owned the Habs, Molson's did.

TommyB's picture
You can't expect a Habs fan to know that!

bigdave's picture
I hope this recent turn of FA non-signings doesn't necessarily guarantee another year of Breezby in Montreal.

I think Mr Gainey has done very well to keep his head. For the amount of money being thrown about what is everybody getting? The best of what is available. It is the players who do not seem available that the Habs need. The ones who can make a difference and lift a team to the next level.

Robert L's picture
Do us all a favor and go hang yourself.

24 Cups's picture
Robert L - you have too much class as well as respect on this site to take the bait like that. It's just not worth it. The Original 24 Cups

The Teacher's picture
LMAO, I echo that sentiment 10-fold LMAO nice one Robert, truly simple and to the point. I'm still laughing 10 minutes after reading it.

Chorske's picture
You're full of horse poop. The key difference is that Montreal fans are brutal when the Habs lose. The entertainment argument only applies in showy markets like Tampa. In Montreal, it's all about winning. And oh LOOK, we're the reigning Eastern champs. What a maroon, that Bob Gainey.

MikeL's picture
Seeing all of the ludicrous signings makes me appreciate Gainey so much more. The only sensible signing I seen today was Brain Rolston. Maybe Brian Campbell, but that's a lot of money. Wade Redden at 6.5 million? Wow, he has 2 horrible years and gets rewarded with the same overpaid contract. Unbelievable. Mike Commodore makes Sheldon Souray look like Bobby Orr. Ridiculous signing. Do these GM's even watch hockey? Wouldn't they have seen how horrible Mike Commodore was for Ottawa last year? And then we have Jeff Finger. I cannot wait to hear Cliff Fletcher's explanation for this one. Just when I thought the Leafs were cleaning house and rebuilding, they sign an almost 30 year old who has under 100 NHL games under his belt, for 3.5 million a year. He would have been lucky to get 1.5 anywheres else. Unbelievable. For the first July 1st in years, I'm happy the Habs and Gainey were quiet.

Chorske's picture
There is this thing called a cap. It's decided by the league, based on revenue. Team GMs are free to spend that money as they see fit. Some of them went nuts today, and will be paying for it later. This post takes the cake for sheer stupidity. I'd like to see a rule change that forbids buying out a player, making a team completely responsible for a player for the full length of his contract. Now THAT would smack some sense into the GMs.

Exit716's picture
Checking slug? Congrats. You are in the running for stupidest post of the year.

ebk's picture
Brian Rolston $5m per year at 35 and at most 60 points. That's a lot of scratch for that type of production.

Chorske's picture
seriously, I want you to whip out a calculator and tell me how to distribute- what, $55 million- among 23 guys. (I'm guessing the numbers here but you get the gist) so that works out to 2.3 mill per player. How much would you offer Sundin? WOuld you match Vancouver's 10 million? Your remaining salary drops to 1.9 million per player. Oh, Kovy and Koivu already account for 10 million or so? That leaves 1.5 mil per player. And so on. The "new rate" is only for sucker GMs who are going to short-change every aspect of their team to sign one or two "impact" players. I can see a bunch of losers like Tampa or Toronto doing that (PS, where WAS Toronto today? Nowhere). But I can't see the reigning Eastern champs doing it.

Exit716's picture
Why do you care? It's not your money...Are Detroit being cheapskates? Enlighten us oh Mr Hockey genius??

MikeL's picture
Detroit hypnotizes players to accept less money than they are worth. I am sure of it. He could have gotten 3.5 million in Toronto.

FORD TOUGH's picture
People!!! Montreal will not land any STARS. They were luckey to land Tanguay........

coutNY's picture
They sign a huge up in coming star named Kostitsyn.

FORD TOUGH's picture
HA HA

Blitzen's picture
I just came back and I can't believe the contracts I'm seeing handed out. What were the Blackhawks thinking with Huet? And if Redden is worth that much moolah, imagine how much Komi will want. _____________________________________________________ Remember February 19th: The Comeback

Oh crap! Good luck Mark!

FORD TOUGH's picture
If that "FOOL" Gainey would have controlled his "PET" Carbonneu with the whole Ryder mess, Ryder would have been here next year a better player.

idle's picture
Enough. It is not the coaches responsibility to pander to the players. These players are supposed to be PROFESSIONALS. They are paid millions of dollars to play hockey and they can damn well play it the way they are asked to. Any player that wines about the way they are being utilized should go work a factory shift for a couple years until they get their f'ing heads in order.

FORD TOUGH's picture
Did U hear Ryder Whine Idle? Not me.... Carboneau will not win a Stanley Cup as the Coach of Montreal.............

showey47's picture
oh yeah because gainey has never won a cup as a g.m., oh wait he did in dallas.

Robert L's picture
Yeah it looks like 29 teams are hot on Ryder's trail!

FORD TOUGH's picture
Not after Carbonneu ruined him! When a coach is out of hand, the GM has to set him straight. PERIOD...

Connecticut Man1's picture
New York Islanders sign defenceman Mark Streit to a five-year contract worth $20.5 million Dagnabit... Hate to see him go.

JB_15's picture
So long Streit. Won't miss the poor defensive play but might miss the shot, depending on what happens from now till september.

SPORTSNET HAS STREIT TO ISLANDERS FOR 5 YRS AT 20.5 MILLION

bakersresin's picture
WOW... Way too much. LMAO. Suckers. He is not THAT good.

showey47's picture
apparently streit may take a 5 year deal with the islanders. It was posted as an e4 on hockeybuzz, which normally doesn't mean much but i've been following the site (among others) all day and he has been pretty accurate.

done deal 20.5 million

Robert L's picture
Good for Marky, he'll be oblivious there for years and will never have to worry about the playoffs. He should have reupped with the Habs for one year, proven he wasn't a fluke, and let the quality teams chase him instead of the also ran's.

24 Cups's picture
Robert L - I think he made a great move. He's a tier two free agent and picked up a contract that will last him a lifetime. He's like Huet - an above average, but not great player, who's taking full advantage of the NHL madness while he can. Better safe than sorry when your talent level is only slightly above average. The Original 24 Cups

I said it this morning. Gainey comes up empty handed, and the French media begins pointing fingers. And here we are, 8:00PM, no big signing, and morons on CKAC are already starting. I'm not upset. There is still some talent out there, but if we don't get anyone, fine... James Duthie said it, 75% of signings go bad, especially for us in recent years. Remember these names? Donald Audette, Mariusz Czerkawski, Sergei Samsonov? Ouch!!! Who cares... If we get through all of this with our current squad and an upgrade from Tanguay, then I'd say we are doing just fine. If we could agree on terms with Streit, then even better. Worst case scenario - we keep our millions, wait to see who actually plays well this season, and make a big move midseason. We are in good shape In Bob I trust!

Robert L's picture
Two of those were trades, only Samsonov was a UFA signing.

Woops! That's right, I remember now. I think Asham was part of that deal for Czerkawski. Anyway, you know what I mean. Often big names mean very little.

Robert L's picture
At that time, the Habs were sucking royally, and those guys were considered upgrades. We've come a ways since then. They were 1st liners then...that type would be 4th liners now.

twocents's picture
When you think about it, it's amazing how far we have come. Thanks Bob, keep us on track.

I am not dissapointed at all..in fact after seeing sheer lunacy of the Huet, Redden, Finger and Co. contracts I am Relieved Bob did not went wacko. I trust him and he trusts our boys. We will be just fine!

Bob is a wise man. He probably sitting with a beer having a laugh at these idiot GMs They have just totally mortgaged the future of their teams, some possibly in a desperate attempt to save their jobs. If I were Bob, I know I'd be laughing, for more reasons than one.

joeybarrie's picture
Or we could have paid Huet 6 million... Give Gainey a chance to land someone without giving up the farm. He has proven to be one step ahead already...

TommyB's picture
Sundin, Hossa, and perhaps Jagr....the same 3 or 4 teams are mentioned as being at the forefront with offers for their services. Those teams are: New York, Detroit, and Montreal, with the odd one here and there for one of the three, but not all three. So, it seems reasonable to me that if indeed Gainey has targeted one of these three, then he has a good chance of landing one of the three. I don't think there is a team out there who can take on two of those contracts. I don't pretend to guess who Gainey has targeted beyond Sundin, but only go by the reports on TV. Those who want to jump all over Gainey for "doing nothing" would fare no better if they were in his shoes. Should not one of these players, or any other "significant" player (in the minds of the all-knowledgeable fans) end up in Montreal, we are still one very good team that will be better this fall.

ebk's picture
I think Hossa goes to Detroit if he wants to win the cup and Edmonton if he wants the $$$.

linp's picture
LOL! You must be still dreaming. Vancouver offers two years 20 mil for Sundin. Edmonton said that they will match any offer to Hossa.