Scratch Hossa from Habs plans

posted by Kevin Mio at 13h02 EST on Jul 2


Marian Hossa, one of the most sought-after free agents, has signed with the Stanley Cup champion Detroit Red Wings.

Hossa signed a one-year, $7.4 million deal with the Wings, the team that defeated Hossa`s Pittsburgh Penguins in the Stanley Cup final last month.




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FORD TOUGH's picture

I am eager to see who will be Carbonneau's "Whipping Boy" this comming season now that Mr. Ryder is gone on to get the respect he deserves.

I say Higgins. He was not too impressive last year. Was practally invisable in the playoffs.....

It was funny how everyone was on the Ryder bandwagon the first three years he was a Hab.

Higgins will suffer the same fate.......


Most people respected Ryder for what he was in his first 3 years with the CH ... a good sniper doing his thing on a regular basis and helping out his team while doing it ... he was appreciated for what he was nothing more, nothing less... players like him are great when scoring but have very little value when they are not.


TommyB's picture

$7.4 million on a one year deal. Oh yeah, Hossa is more concerned about winning than money. Closer to the truth is: Hossa saw that teams weren't knocking his door down with mega-buck long term deals or one like Vancouver is rumoured to have offered Sunin. So, a year from now the free agents list may not be as bountiful as it was this year. He may be the only top dog available. That would be the time to cash in and Hossa knows this. Playing for Detroit this year can only enhance his value. $7.4 mil this year is nothing to sneeze at, but next year....Ka Ching!


Grabbed The Cup's picture

You took the words outta my head Tommy, precisely what I thought when I heard of the deal.


TommyB's picture

TSN has reported tha Hossa turned down a multi-year offer from Edmonton, but did not say how long multi-years was. Two years could be considered multi-year. If Hossa did turn down a long term contract with more money offered than Detroit, then I retract my statement. However, until I see those details rather than TSN's blanket statements, I will stay with my original comment.


Watching the Wings playing last season left no doubts in my mind that here we had, 3 years after the new officiating regulations were put into place.... the first concrete and most complete exemple of how teams should want to play the game if they want to become and remain top teams and cup contenders in a newNHL.

I see the high-tempo two-way offensive game displayed by the Wings as being a formula without equal in the new on-ice environment of the NHL.

Its all about being offensive literally and collectivelly ... with and without the puck.

Teams having the most speed and puck handling habilities down their lines have the most chances to succeed when adopting the pro-active anti-passive system of play that is required to compete at the highest of level possible in this league.

Most traditional hockey fans would now probably have expected a team like the Wings to bring in some basic toughness and grittyness to round up their profile for the next season but Ken Holland is no traditional hockey fans and his team will keep moving ahead because of it.... and now with a dash of Marian Hossa to make shure of that.


For those who want to criticize Bob Gainey for not being as good a GM as Holland or Pollock, you are comparing apples with oranges.

Holland and Pollock, great GMs, inherited winning teams with solid organizations. Gainey, however, took over a totally dysfunctional team left over from the latter part of Molson's ownership days. The Habs did not even have a scout for the province of Quebec. In a short period of time, he's built one of the best organizations anywhere in the NHL. There is not one GM who could have done a better job, especially in this lunatic asylum of a Province.


It is refreshing to read someone who has the ability to think. You are absolutely correct in your post.


TommyB's picture

Jim, good to see you posting again, at least occasionally. The site could use a shot of reality.

People don't have to be honour students of hockey to know what a decent job Gainey and Co. are doing with the Habs. You only need a little bit of common hockey sense. You know it's always the small dog who barks the loudest, and it seems to be true on this site as well. No shortage of small dogs on HIO.


Tommy,

The sad thing about this site is that you can leave for six months, come back, and still read the same old negativity about the Habs. Even though they finished 1st in the East. It's laughable.

I'm glad to see that some of the old gang is still around.


Spider-Man NL's picture

I agree that we are fine with Gainey ( specially now that he's defined the franchise hockey philosophy of our futur as being of a fast offensive team on the attack ).

I disagree though that ken holland inherited a winning team in a solid organization....... Detroit had been awfull for years when he got the job and Bowman was nowhere in sight in the organisation.

Defining the Province as a lunatic asylum doesn't make me trust your intelligence.


Chuck V.'s picture

I disagree. On both points, but more specifically on your assessment of his intelligence. I happen to think, in fact, that calling La Belle Province a lunatic asylum might just be one of the more accurate descriptions out there...


Bouleau Noir,

You really should check your facts out before you reply. I thank Teacher for informing you.

If you don't think that this province is a lunatic asylum when it comes to hockey(that's what I was referring to, btw.), then you are very well insulated.


Just noticed I had been corrected, so thanks teacher about providing the year that holland got the top job for the wings..... even though his contribution to the rise of the newwings in 97 were in a significant part related to the excellent job he did as detroit chief of scouting and ass.gm the years preceding his promotion in 97..... and as I remember reading about it ... the very reason of his promotion.

As for my critism on the comment made by Jim M when refering to the Province as a lunatic asylum.... well pardon my french but I erred and didn't get the specific connection in which it was made.

Yes its a little over the top with hockey at time in the belle province and you are right on when suggesting that I am insulating myself from the worst of it..... when one does there is some good gems out there ... La Zone is one of them on french cbc at 11 pm ... Dany Dube analyst at ckac radio during games and there are some good writers also.... but let it be knowned that none of them come anywhere close to the type of delivery we are getting from Mike Boone ... most addictive indeed ... and the best context I know of about reading and talking about hochey (and practicing my english I might add).


Bouleau Noir,

Thank you for responding. I like your comments about notre equipe and did not want any hard feelings between us. That's why I replied and added that I was referring to hockey to straighten things out just in case you misunderstood me. I look forward to reading more of your comments.


The Teacher's picture

P.S. . On July 18, 1997, he was promoted to his current position of General Manager, Executive Vice President and Alternate Governor of the Detroit Red Wings. So yes, he inherited a system that was well into its productive years.


Revolution No. 9's picture

Here's my theory:

As far as overspending goes, a good GM needs to balance the payroll to provide a good balance of salaries not just in a single year but over multiple years. As players improve and their salaries increase, it only makes sense to plan to let players go as their projected value exceeds a GM's ability to pay it under the cap (eg: Streit). Imagine all of our players have better years this year, and the next, etc. Even without adding new players or retirement, as they contracts expire we would eventually blow out the cap.

A good GM needs to identify their core, lock them in for their best value years and then let them go if they don't become a core player (eg: Ryder). The reality is that a GM also needs to overpay for the top talent required to compete for the cup. They also need to provide a steady influx of young undervalued recruits to be able to overpay for the top end talent.

We have seem to have all of these ingredients except the top end talent and we also have room under the cap. Once we're done signing our remaining RFAs, we should have 7-9 million left; we're currently at 10.9 million available. This suggest we can sign a player you or I might value at 5-8 million, ie: top end talent @ 7-9 million)

I say spend it if the owner will allow it and your core is locked in. There is no bonus for building a cup winning team under the cap. There is no award for points per million spent. We have a great team locked in for this year and finishing the year with 10 million of cap space benefits no one but the owner.

Now, even if we miss the boat now, we have a second kick at the can in Feb at the trading deadline so I won't be too upset if we come up empty but finishing the year with cap space in a year you are poised to make a run while missing a key ingredient, that would be powerfully uncool.


temekuhabs's picture

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C-Dawg's picture

I am re-posting my post from below, as I hadn't meant it to be a reply to any particular post.

To all the Gainey bashers who've been posting.
Bob, IMO, is doing a great job. Regarding the comment below that Detroit has never gone thru a rebuilding process, I guess the poster is young....Detroit went decades without winning the Cup. Where did they learn their winning tradition??? Scotty Bowman, who learned it in Montreal.
Sadly, there were many reasons why the Habs were in the state they were before Gainey came along, ownership issues, poor management and drafting, and the Canadian Dollar. All of those issues have been dealt with, and BG has now rebuilt the Habs to be a team to be reckoned with. Where did Bob learn?? From playing for and watching Scotty Bowman. The past decade is what it is, but what Bob is doing now will reap years of winning seasons and restore the Habs to what they've been throughout most of their history. Once we have won a Cup or two, which will happen very soon, we will be regarded at the same level as Detroit, and vets will take a pay cut to sign for the chance to win a Cup, just as Hossa did today. As it is, were are now on the short list of many elite players. Why, because they see the potential this team has.
To use a quote from the movie "Field of Dreams"..."build it and they will come"....well Bob is well on his way to having this team built.
Just sit back and enjoy and watch them come.
Best wishes to all Habs fans, whether you agree or disagree.


The Teacher's picture

Builder Bob....you got that right.

Great post.


Revolution No. 9's picture

Can he fix it?
Yes he can!


The Teacher's picture

And he already has!


Itsik's picture

Guys, its not the GM its the player and their agent...commmmmmon its very simply they simply would like to play somewhere else because they are all seissup - they're afraid of the media, taxes, schools, language, i don't know if i would be a hockey player that can be a hero in montreal, in its 100 anniversary year, after the year the habs had....wow....i will definitely take it


Team 990 had James Murphy from Hockey Talk on and he said that Gainey now has many trade talks going on and a few have ceased but others are ongoing.


The Cat's picture

Ive been/am critical of Gainey, but this time I approve of him. Some of these contracts being given out are just completely ridiculous (Redden, Streit, Theodore, Finger, etc), and a lot of them are by first timers who don't know that much about hockey. I mean Id like an impact player but not at any cost.


Ed's picture

It's a smart move by Detroit to sign Hossa for only one year, plus Hossa is showing that he wants to win the cup badly. Imagine if Detroit and Pittsburgh are finalists again next year, and Pittsburgh wins the cup. Then it would be poor (in the Stanley Cup cents) Hossa.


Vid's picture

Another cup for Detroit.


I would just like to make clear that my critical comments about Bob are related to his position as GM, not the person. We all are aware of the tragic events which have impacted his life, and how he has absorbed them with quiet dignity. I cannot imagine how I would react to such horrible occurrences. As a player, and as a man I have the utmost respect for him. Bob Gainey exemplifies the word CLASS.
BUT, I withhold the right to be critical of his record as GM. Please do not confuse the man, with the job. Thanks.


Robert L's picture

Point taken, but have some balance in your criticism of his GM duties. There's 25 or 27 worse GM's out there. Bob's got to be doing many things right, no?