Number 33 to join immortals?

posted by Mike Boone at 7h05 EST on Aug 29


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La Presse reports the Canadiens will retire Patrick Roy's jersey number in November. 

The club would not confirm the story. Columnist Richard Labbé was told the team plans to announce its centennial activities on Sept. 24.

Roy's number 33 already has been retired by the Colorado Avalanche.

 



If the story is true, at least one pundit won't be happy. In March, Red Fisher wrote:

"Canadiens owner George N. Gillett Jr. and team president Pierre Boivin should know it's a bad decision - and has been from the start ... what they must do is look long and hard at it and then decide whether retiring his No. 33 is good for the game and for the organization.
"It is not. In my view, Roy abdicated his rights to that honour with his capitulation to irrationalism on Dec. 2, 1995, when a stunned Forum crowd saw him allow nine goals on 26 shots in an 11-1 meltdown to the Detroit Red Wings. It was only then that he was taken out of the game by coach Mario Tremblay.
"Anyone who was there or viewed the game on TV can still see a furious Roy shouldering his way past Tremblay to Canadiens president Ronald Corey sitting in the first row behind the players' bench, leaning over and telling him he had played his last game with the team. That film clip has been shown over and over again following last Saturday's hockey version of road rage - and for good reason. It was unprofessional and a gross disrespect for the sweater he wore. Four days later, he was shipped to Colorado."

That said, you can't argue with numbers. Roy's team records include games played (665, including playoffs), fewest losses in a season (five in 1988-'89), longest home winning streak (14 in '88-'89), longest home undefeated streak (29 in '88-'89), most playoff games and most saves in a playoff game: a mind-blowing 60 in a 2-1 overtime conquest of Boston in 1994.

The Canadiens would not have won their two most recent Stanley Cups without Patrick Roy. Factoring in the quality of his supporting cast – in comparison to Ken Dryden's and Jacques Plante's – Roy is arguably the greatest goaltender in the team's 100-year history.

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There are rumours that another number may be retired during the course of the centennial season.

Broadcaster Ron Lapointe has lobbied for raising the number 3 to the Bell Centre rafters as a tribute to Emile "Butch" Bouchard. 

And you could make a very good case for number 6, worn by Toe Blake during the distinguished playing career that preceded his brilliant run as coach of a team that won five consecutive Stanley Cups.


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Roy is deserving of this, but I'm pretty sure most Habs fans will have some mixed feelings about retiring his number after the infamous "Le Trade" era, and the whole ordeal with his last game in a Canadiens uniform. Congrats Patrick, long overdue. - - - - - - - - - - The drive for 25...

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The past 3 seasons it was hard for Mezaros to get into the top 2 on D. Whenever he was given the chance he really shined. I think with Redden gone this would have been a really good year for Mezaros, maybe they should stop screwing around with the D and get a goalie. I guess choosing Redden over Chara was a good call eh? NOT(Borat voice)

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The Cat's picture
Thats quite an undertaking on your part Robert L, of course opinions will difer, but Id have put Roy before Dryden; Claude Lemieux above Mario Tremblay; I also think Gainey and Geoffrion should be higher, but Im splitting hairs.

24 Cups's picture
Rpbert - great post that's sure to stir lots of debate. I'll start! Dickie Moore doesn't belong in the top ten. I can think of 3 players who are more deserving - Geoffrion, Robinson, Cournoyer. By the way, I understand and agree with your 'choice' for 1st overall. The Original 24 Cups

Robert L's picture
Your Moore argument is very logical. I gave Dickie the nod based on a pair of scoring titles - one with a busted up wrist. Moore was also the closest to hitting the 100 point barrier before Espo smashed it wide open. all just details, really! If I were ranking players I have seen play in my lifetime, it would be Flower, followed by the Roadrunner, and the Pocket.

Remember in the mid 70's when LaFleur was out (was it when Sittler hacked his wrist?) and the press was all over the team? Would Cournyer be able to lead the team? Could Yvan pick up the slack? Wow, they really gave it to them. And the team just played it's game. If I'm not mistaken Yvan scored big time that next game, maybe five. That shut everyone up:) There have been some great Montreal teams, and great players Robert. But during the 70's, man, that was a team. When the Red army came to play the NHL the Flyers beat them up, but the Habs simply said let's play whatever game you like. The game was a tie but there was no doubt in the end we had just seen the best two teams in the world play hockey. LaFleur must have gone through a deck of smokes. Did the players make that team, or did that team make the players? Great list, everytime I would think about moving a player up or down, there was a reason not to. Gilles Tremblay was so good, nice to see him on there too. Thanks

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I agree for the most part, I think Jan Bulis should be in the top ten somewhere. LOL, good job Robert. I never really understood all the hype about "The Rocket" but after watching that movie I now know. What a great story.

Jimmy Roberts was a great guy but top hundred Hab players of all times...nah.

Robert L's picture
I understand your take, but Roberts did alot of what Gainey did, minus the body slams. He shut down some great offensive players, like Hull and Esposito, without much fanfare. Both incidently, were products of the Peterborough Petes.

Sen's GM Murray on the trade .. Ottawa Sun Excerpt ..... It got to the point where the dollars were just too much for us," Murray said in a conference call last night. "We thought it was at a point where we weren't going to be able to do it. I wasn't able to make the adjustment with my salary structure. "The last two years, (Meszaros' play) has left a lot to be desired. I know Filip Kuba well and he's really going to help us. I know he's excited about this change. As for Picard, he's local guy with a lot of potential. We feel good and the first-round pick is also going to help us." Murray said Kuba, Chris Phillips, Anton Volchenkov and Jason Smith will be club's top four blueliners this season. The word is the Lightning didn't want to part with Picard, but the Senators insisted that he was part of the deal.

24 Cups's picture
Bryan Murray may have finally done something right since he first joined Ottawa. We all realize that the NHL salary structure for young, unproven players has gone to hell in the past few years but I iamgine it the was length of term that finally broke off negotiations. Meszaros could be a great defenseman for years to come but the jury is certainly out on that happening anytime soon. Ottawa still received a 1st round pick and Picard is at least worth a 2nd rounder in anyone's eyes. As well, Ottawa gets Kuba who can step in right now and perform. He has to be a better choice than a 3rd rounder, as very few 3rd round picks ever make the NHL as regulars. Kuba would have been a great addition to tighten up our defense for this year. More and more Plan B players are disappearing as we continue the Sundin watch. It's pretty well a lock now that Brisebois will be our 7th defenseman for this year. Cross your fingers that nobody gets hurt on the Montreal blueline this season. The Original 24 Cups

Steve - First of all i'm not sold on Meszaros at all but he is young and could be an all around "D" for years but IMO he is not nearly as good as Dean The Blow Hard Brown and the Ottawa press made him out to be but he does have an upside potential and fits the model of future "D" in the New NHL. I like Kuba but he's been caught playing with a strict defensive team (Wild) and the opposite with the Bolts and as one scout said at intermission last year on Tampa radio that he felt sorry for Filipa cuz he turns it on when he should lay back and then vice versa , in other words he was mixed up especially when Boyle was out. Picard was shopped around for a year and a half before Tampa bit and is known to be error prone and his defence hasn't improved but theirs talent there but unproven and the 1st round pick would probably be around the 25th. I think Murray got the best of the deal but after losing Redden and Meszaros whose going to move the puck for them ?

Nightmare ; TSN poll has 61% agreeing with you.Believe the 1st rounder puts it over the top big time.

It seems as we stand today ,they are planning on Dandy being the 7th defenseman.

24 Cups's picture
HaFab - If Dandy is our 7th defenseman for the entire year then you can kiss any chance of a Cup goodbye. He's much better off filling the role of being an extra forward. I don't think he played more than a handful of games on defense last year. In fact, it may have been a handful of shifts rather than games. The Original 24 Cups

Talk to Gainey then, they have him back on defense on the roster and there is no room for him up front.

24 Cups's picture
Frank - Most websites and magazines have Dandy listed as a Dman but I don't put much stock in that. Gainey and Carbo sure didn't play him much on the back end even though he has a long history of being a defenseman. Right now, I would imagine that Dandy and TTB are the two 'subs' on the Habs depth chart at forward. Presently, we are one player under the limit in terms of signed contracts so that will probably go to Brisebois depending on the Sundin saga. Either way, Dandy won't be happy being a bench player (at forward or on defense). Regardless of where he plays, I'm not happy paying a spare player $1.7 for the year. I'm not dumping on Dandy as a player as he has been a solid Hab, it's more the circumstance that surrounds his spot on the roster and the possible role that he might play this year on the team. As I stated before, we'll be in big trouble if one of our top three guys gets hurt because there is no suitable long term replacement in sight. The Original 24 Cups

Steve,think that until training camp is over, all is moot and we are just playing GM's.However, it is the Canadien's website that I quoted,and just for kicks, we are carrying 3 goaltenders for our 23 player roster at the moment,either out of respect or condition of signing Denis.As for Dandy's future, so much depends on whom we finish off our roster with.I believe that Gainey will ride out the Sundin thing to the end and then go after a player from the teams over cap (bargain shopping) plus he knows that nightmare wants that money spent.And that until further developments, Dandy is our 7th defenseman and honestly don't see much difference between him at 32 and Brisebois at 37.

Robert L's picture
My gauge has always been that the team who gets the best players usually wins. I see Bryan Murray destroying a strong Senators club one move at a time. And I'm loving it!

24 Cups's picture
Robert - Glad to see that you were listening during the Pollock years! In fairness to Murray, this wasn't a typical NHL trade. Many moves are made today due to cap/budget circumstance. I still think this is a better deal than taking the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft picks from a declined offer sheet. As I mentioned in my original post, Murray hasn't done much in Ottawa. In fact, his actions remind me of the Quinn/Ferguson regime in lafftown. Death by a thousand cuts. The reality is that the Sens have basically wasted their window of opportunity to win the Cup while they had the best line in the NHL. The Original 24 Cups

Robert L's picture
"The reality is that the Sens have basically wasted their window of opportunity to win the Cup while they had the best line in the NHL." Very succinct! I wonder if Eugene Melnyk seizes this as well! Murray should have signed Mez, and then traded him. He got spare parts in return for what could be a stellar D-man one day. The Senators have Phillips and Volchenkov returning from last season. After adding Jason Smith, the remainder is a patchwork defense. Yikes!

The Pens and the Bolt's are still working on a minor deal which should involve the Lightning's excess forwards while Mike Russo of Russo Rants reports ..... The Wild has had a number of talks with the agent of longtime checking center Stephane Yelle, but right now, Yelle’s agent Larry Kelly says the Wild has informed him they are “holding off.”

Paper Plane Observer Francois Gagnon will join Michel Bergeron on RDS this coming season for the Habs hockey broadcasts , Bergeron will replace Benoit Brunet who became the new color man when Yvon Pedneault was fired (french version) .. by Pierre Trudel .. lapresse.com ..... http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080829/CPSPORTS/808290810/6881/CPSPO...

Ed's picture
Paper Plane Observer - lol. Show me the pictures Francois. If Gagnon is the observer, what does that make Mr. Boone who so quickly grabbed on to this big story, & gave it the attention it deserved? We have: Paper Plane Pilot - Michael Ryder Paper Plane Observer - Francois Gagnon Critic of Paper Plane Pilot - Mike Boone

Ed - LOL , that one was for you. I like that Paper Plane Pilot and i'm hummy it to the old Beatle tune Paper Back Writer and it's a bit appropriate.

Robert L's picture
Paper Plane Ryder?

Ed's picture
I had a feeling that you were like the salmon fisherman, throw out the bait & see if you could get a rise out of me. Of course, I could not pass it up. It's funny as I too thought of that Beatles song, but unfortunately I can't carry a tune.

Great minds think alike and fools seldom differ.

Ed's picture
OK, into which category would you slot yourself, me & Boone?

No comment.

24 Cups's picture
Ed - Fools rush in, where wise men fear to tread.... The Original 24 Cups

Robert, there is an article in the Gazette today about a player in the 40's .Don't know if any use to you but a head's up .

Robert L's picture
Thanks, it's Gerry Plamondon is anyone wants to check it out. http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/sports/story.html?id=0165495a... There also a Gainey in Halifax story that I've beaten NM49 to. Gainey knows expectations are high for Habs this season http://thechronicleherald.ca/Sports/1076037.html

Robert L - Hab Fan is from Halifax , lol.

Only for last 18 months dude,grow up and went to school in West Montreal. And after working there,Vancouver,Calgary,Toronto, Saint John and now here makes me what?...a Canadian?

Robert L's picture
Totally and truly!

Ed's picture
I believe that you are now recognized as the top gun, & even the professional bloggers like Robert L, want to boast when they beat you to a story. When you read this story, it sounds like Gainey is saying that the European players needed some toughness added to the team, & thus the need to acquire Laraque.

Robert L's picture
"professional bloggers like Robert L"....hell when did start getting paid for all this?

Ed's picture
Robert, I meant professional in your style & the tremendous effort you put into your work. IMO, your site is of a professional quality,& I am sure that many agree with me. If you were paid for the hours you must put into your site, you would be much richer than you already are.

Robert L's picture
Much richer...isn't that great a stretch! I've made a whole $120 off Google ads! But in smiles and kind words and compliments from readers - I'm a millionaire! Thanks so much for the lift - it means a lot!

Ed's picture
I was joking about the much richer part, but everything else is very true. You should not be thanking me. I have to thank you for all the work you do for free for the enjoyment of all us Habs' fans. Of course, you are probably the biggest fan of all to give up so much of your time, so that you can produce so much reading material for the rest of us Habs' fans.

Robert L's picture
Ed, I appreciate those sentiments very much. It is for kind folk like you that I carry on. I'm humbled and at a loss for words, but I just hope the series retains your interest as I go forward.

And if he would publish his Canadiens 100 Years series then he would be rich.By the way Robert ,Bob Gainey said he knows of at least two books being written for the Centennial.There is also supposed to be a DVD showing 9 of the 10 all time greatest Hab games .Apparently ,they could not find a copy of the other game or it was before TV.

Robert L's picture
If I published the series...I might get sued! Copyright photo's and all! As much as there is writing of my own, and rewording, a great deal is accumulated via the works of others before me. I simply cultivate, gather, and add POV. The sharing and smiles are he best part. I'm please you are enjoying it. There are about five books on the go, as far as I have read. If you know which game was voted in, that is unavailable, please let me know. A reader at my site recently wrote to inform me that he has audio cassettes of classic Habs games, and that if he is ever able to transfer such things to disc, he will send me copies. How'd you all like to hear Danny and Dick from 1976? Wouldn't that be a treat!

That is why publishing firms employ the big lawyers for.Re the games ,he didn't say which one was missing and only talked about two games...New Years Eve and last year's come from behind Rangers game.Sounded like he felt similar to myself in regards to the Red Army game as "it was surreal" and spoke of it being a tie .Was at that game and felt after that it was a bit unreal and that something was missing...came to rationalize later that it was because it ended in a tie.Some felt that one of the greatest games ever, should fittingly end as a tie, but I felt like I had kissed my sister.I think my favorite game that I ever attended, was in the '73 finals against Chicago and we LOST 8-7 or 7-6.Dryden and Esposito in nets,back and forth in play and goals all night...non stop action.We went on to win the Cup in Chicago ,believe it was the game Lemaire scored on a slapper from center and the Pocket scored two.Later read that Dick,Danny or Red had it in their list of 10 top Hab games.

Robert L's picture
My entire recollection of the New Years Eve '75 game, when I was all of 13, was that ol' Kenny really sucked it rhat night!

Yes, he never did well against the Russians.With him ,it was all about the size and science. Except with Boston and then he was so far into their heads that they still probably dream nightmares.

Sundin will have his old friend Joe Nieuwendyk lobbying him with Fletcher when he arrives for "Right to Play" charity hockey event in the center of the universe .. by laffs writer Paul Hunter .. Toronto Star ..... http://www.thestar.com/Sports/Hockey/article/488025

And if he is going to retire,this would be the perfect opportunity.

Tampa Bay's beat writers look at the Meszaros Trade : Erik Eriendsson .. TBO.com ..... http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/related/C189/ .................. Damian Cristodero .. TampaBay.com ..... http://blogs.tampabay.com/lightning/

First of all i'd like to wish everybody a great and safe labour day weekend and when it's over we all be focusing on the center of the universe for that block buster trade of McCabe and the landing of the King of Sweden for a charity hockey game and checking out his new palace in Burlington,Ont. but now we have to settle for the Empty Netter .. by Seth Rorabaugh .. Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ..... http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/emptynetters/default.aspx

Off topic, but a slightly interesting read. always good to see the habs topping lists of any kind, right? http://mvn.com/nhl-wild/2008/08/27/the-best-and-worst-fans-of-the-nhl-th...

Rovell's picture
Man o man... what rabid replies on that blog... yeesh..

CHsam's picture
Oh god I just hafta post this one. The translation accent is ridiculous and hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-JPMFuHu6w

CHsam's picture
For those of you still up late at night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T-pQkCzi3Q&feature=related Some Komi plays with mic. Some priceless quotes, especially at the very end. LMAO Enjoy

teamplayer's picture
they shouldve got rid of tremblay instead of roy and then this wouldnt even be a discussion

Rovell's picture
Tremblay leaving Roy in the nets was not cool at all but there is absolutely no way they would have fired Tremblay, even if it was the cause of all this. It's very dangerous to side with a player and fire your coach over an incident like this because it sends the wrong message that the player is invincible and I know Patrick Roy would like to think he is/was, but from a managerial point of view, you cannot do that and expect to maintain control. What terrible years to be a habs fan though... I remember watching the game and then recalling how disappointed I was with the players we got in return... Rucinsky, Kovalenko, Thibault and we had to give away our captain at the time too man... just terrible... We went through so many goaltenders until we were saved by Theodore for a few years before he changed. I think my favorite goaltender of the bunch was Jeff Hackett.

Ben's picture
Alright, I'm throwing my two cents here as a younger fan (born in'86). Roy is the reason I'm a Habs fan, so I'm biased, and I think he's the greatest goaltender ever. (I even grew up in Buffalo with Hasek being "Incredible"). That being said I think Roy deserves his number retired. Other than Koivu (who is the second best Hab of my generation), he is the main ingredients of the Montreal teams of the past 20 years, I don;t care if he left the team on bad terms, its about what he accomplished for the CH he was wearing at the time (and what I believe J,T, said so much earlier we would be celebrating the 100th year and the 30th year of winning a Cup without him.) I don't care what happened off ice, it's all about what he accomplished for the team, let alone himself. I'll be there in November (hopefully te 24th cuz thats when I;ll be buying tickets) cheering on the greatest goaltender ever, as his number raises to tthe rafters of the most prestigious franchise in sports. Theres a reason nobody's woren 33 since Roy left the team...

Now this, is just too funny http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/2008/08/29/johnson_name_change/ "Give Koivu a Lifetime Contract"

Shawn S's picture
Just saw that. Hilarious!

sidhu's picture
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but on canadiens.com there is an article which states "Canadiens opponents may not know Komisarek by name...." Seriously? Komisarek is one of the best defensive defenseman in the league. Any player who doesn't know Komo by name is in the wrong league. http://canadiens.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=...

Well Hab fans ,after reviewing todays postings. There is a lot of PASSION out there! but we knew that already.Looks like HIO's very own training camp and everyone is in shape to go.Bring on the season! GO HABS !!

xaverian001's picture
I love Roy, but I've always been amazed by how easy Mario made the game look (Lemieux not Tremblay).

Your enthusiasm is astounding! "Give Koivu a Lifetime Contract"

gmd's picture
Since Roy and the Habs parted on such bad terms, does Roy even want his number retired by the organization?

Gary320's picture
Well according to Roy.. “C’est sûr que je serais très flatté de recevoir un tel honneur de la part de l’organisation du Canadien" He would be very flattered. Roy isnt upset at the organization as a whole, but the managment in the years before he was traded.. thats what I would say. I am more than happy his jersey might be retired.. I feel he deserves it.. class is important.. but I dont think its as important as what he has done for the team in its history.. and being that we are in our 100th year.. I think its fitting that an idol in Canadiens history.. has his jersey retired. I mean, look at people everywhere when they think of Canadiens, they think of Lafleur, Robinson, Richard, Drydren and for sure Roy... its only fitting. Perfect year too..

GHG33's picture
About time!

Ian Cobb's picture
Hey out there, does anyone in Montreal know where I can pick up a couple of Mtl. Als. football tickets for Sun. Oct. 26. the day after the summit, 1pm start. Trip to Mtl. might as well see it all. Andree loves her football as I love hockey.