Revenge!

posted by Mike Boone at 16h07 EST on Nov 28


José Theodore hangs a shutout on the team he broke in with.

Missing four defencemen and three forwards, the Washington Capitals win 3-0 against a team that seems to be missing at least six hearts. 

 

 


J.T. on the turd period:


-I hope Santa brings Pleky a linemate or two for Christmas. He kills himself to score and gets stuck with Kovalev game after game. It's 2006 all over again. Kovalev is the anchor to his sailboat.

-Ovechkin: I have no words. English is such a limited language.

-Lang for a D, and sign Sundin anyone?

-When Jose Theodore shuts you out, your offence has about as much bite as the Conservative environment policy.

-Dominating the Stanley Cup champions in one game, then losing to a team with eight regulars out of the lineup in the next one. The Habs continue to baffle, confuse and annoy the faithful.

-I don't mind that Carbo did what he threatened and actually put the fourth line out on the PP. It couldn't be worse, and they deserve the time.

-If this team had a theme song tonight it'd be "I Hate Myself For Loving You."

-Poor Halak. He played well.

-I wonder how much money Theo had on the table for this win tonight? Too bad the Habs didn't make it hard on him.

-Is it required somewhere that before winning the big one, a team must face humiliation at the hands of every former player it's moved elsewhere? And is this what the Habs are going through? If so, who's left? Souray. Ryder hasn't really unloaded on them yet. Huet. Garon. The list goes on. It's going to be loooooonnnnnngggg year.

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3P 1:00:

He's going to get a shutout

3P 2:22:

Pleks line on ... the ice, anyway. On their game? No.

3P Break:

The guys who work hard can't score and the scorers don't work hard

3P 3:00:

Kovalev and Plekanec benched

3P 4:00:

Koivu always plays like it's 0-0

3P 5:00:

Behind the net, Bouillon plays it up the boards

3P 6:00:

Higgins hurt

3P 7:00:

Team slogan: "La rondelle lui échappe .."

3P Break:

This team can drive you nuts. Just folded like a tent in this period.

3P 9:20:

Bégin, Lapierre and Kostopoulos on the PP. Then Dandenault.

3P 9:50:

T the B on the PP?

3P Break:

Another PP. At least ruin his shutout! Geez.

3P 11:13:

Two Kovalev turnovers. Steckel, checked by O'Byrne, redirects Lopisto shot

3-0 

3P 12:00:

Great PK

3P 14:03:

a 5-on-3

3P 14:21:

Another O-zone hook by Lang, this season's Koivu

3P 15:34:

No finish around the net. They make it easy for Theo

3P 16:19:

What are you gonna do?

2-0 

3P 17:30:

My bad: Breeze block

3P 17:50:

Lang block keeps it 1-0

3P 18:45:

hamrlik makes a great play or Kozlov finds Ovechkin behind O'B

3P 20:00:

Props to Halak, eh? Good on the road. Should have played in Toronto that night

Boone jinx:

Gee, I wonder if Theo will get a SHUTOUT!!!!

Michel Bergeron:

Relentlessly promotes Latendresse. Can't figure out why Tom the Bomb, rather than Gui!, is playing with Koivu. Duh! Maybe because they were great in Detroit. Bergeron is very entertaining but God, he can be a schmuck.

J.T. on the second period:


-Worst thing about elevating Tom the Bomb to the first line: now he thinks he should stickhandle.

-This game is a good illustration of how tough it is to get offence going when you lose most faceoffs. Sometimes watching the Habs feels like going back to hockey kindergarten.

-Koivu in the corner with Ovechkin is like a rabbit in the corner with a great white shark.

-If Halak drinks all the beers his teammates owe him in one sitting, he'd better leave his keys and wallet at home.

-One thing I love about Josh Gorges: He might lose the puck, but if he does, he makes darn sure he gets the guy who took it instead.

-Does Ovechkin think that going permanently without his left front tooth is a fashion statement? I think it reveals a pathological fear of dentists and the Habs should make low buzzing sounds whenever they pass him.

-The Habs would have been great military scouts. Deadly on the perimeter.

-I swear before this game all I knew about Fleischmann was that someone distantly related to him sells yeast.

-I don't think I've seen a team dominate so thoroughly with so little reward since last May.

-Kovalev is not listening to the Lord.

Gui!:

Praised by Demers and Bouchard. Demers says cycling wears down Washington D.

Ovechkin :

Four shots, another five blocked and six hits

2P 00:00:

Can't say they're not skating and trying

2P 1:40:

Pleks a backpass to ... no one

2P 2:04:

Backstrom nearly sprang Ovechkin

2P 3:30:

Good work on Ovechkin and his line

2P 5:30:

Bégin with Pleks and Kovy

2P Break:

All Canadiens. But they can't score.

2P 6:50:

Gui! wins a race!

2P Break:

AK46 with Dandenault and Lapierre? Brisebois with Markov?

2P 9:29:

Too many icings. Gonna cost eventually.

2P 10:00:

Theo is heating up

2P Break:

Nice pressure by fourth line. No way Theo holds the fort behind that defence tonight.

2P 13:20:

Halak is keeping this close

2P 14:00:

Ovechkin comes close from close in. Koivu had a chance to clear but got no help

2P 15:24:

O'BYRNE!!!

2P 16:00:

There have to be more chances against that AHL defence

2P 16:30:

AK46 has awakened ... for now

2P 17:02:

Arrrrgh! Kovy offside

2P :

Halak getting his mask fixed after an Ovechkin shot dinged him

2P :

Very shaky start

2P 20:00:

Hamrlik and Gorges

2P 20:00:

yay! RDS gives us the faceoff

Biggest gee whiz! interviewer on TV:

Renaud Lavoie. No one's close.

Welcome back! J.T. on the first period:


-I think Ovechkin is built of the same stuff they make airplane black boxes out of. If the Caps' plane went down, only the black box, some pre-packaged snacks and Ovechkin would emerge from the wreckage.

-The Caps have Theo and an AHL defence tonight. If the Habs' PP can't score in this game, it needs to be sent to the junkyard and crushed. Then the little cube that used to be the PP can be packaged in a trade for a hard-shooting pointman.

-It's not hard to tell Jaro hasn't played in two weeks. He's treating the puck like a vial of nitro.

-Medical mystery: How does a heart the size of Saku's fit in that body?

-There's really no need of the excessive siren when Washington scores. That's just childish.

-Bouillon's been watching advance copies of O'Byrne's forthcoming DVD: How to Play Defence, the Rhino Way. If that goal was a living thing, it would be an earwig. Completely disgusting, dirty and of no benefit to humankind.

-If anyone needs to spend Christmas in Steeltown, it's Sergei K. Switch him for D'Ago and make him earn his way back. The boy is nowhere close to being the player he was last year. Then, tell Andrei he's not getting his brother back until *he* steps it up too.

-When the Caps are up and Ovie hasn't scored...you spend the rest of the game waiting for the other skate to drop.

-Overall, the Habs look like they're just disappointed the Detroit game is over. They need to get back to work now.

Joël Bouchard:

If he were in the room after the first period: "Boys, that's not the goal that's going to beat us."

Phil Kessel:

12 goals already. Turning into a helluva player. And Blake Wheeler got his 7th.

Stats:

washington advantage in shots, hits, faceoffs and, oh yeah, the scoreboard.

1P 00:00:

One lucky goal

1P 1:04:

Another good night for the fourth-line pluggers

1P 2:00:

Nice team defence on Ovechkin

1P 3:00:

Lively crowd in D.C. Good to see hockey alive

1P Break:

Bad play by AK46. He's taking his time getting untracked this season.

1P 4:29:

Dumb hook by Fleischmann

1P 5:23:

O-zone hook by Sergei. Bad

1P 5:35:

Official stats showno giveaways for Bouillon. Wassup with that?

1P Break:

Dandenault continues to skate well. If they can keep it to 1-0. What a brutal turnover that was.

1P 7:00:

Plekanec line bottled up and has to ice it.

1P 8:00:

Canadiens have to regain composure. That goal was brutal

1P 8:57:

What a gaffe by Bouillon

Fleischmann

1-0 

1P 10:11:

Very few whistles

1P 11:00:

washington D looks very vulnerable

1P 12:00:

Canadiens 5-0 system kicking in

1P 13:00:

Sergei is good tonight

1P Break:

Gonna be a tough one. All those Washington subs play hard.

1P 14:00:

Another good shift for the Ovechkin line

1P 15:40:

Sergei did a great job coming back with Ovechkin. Other than that and, a quiet PP ... though Higgins had a chance

1P 17:39:

How did AK46 miss that? That's a goal last season

1P 18:20:

Capitals playing like they've been shot out of a cannon. Halak will have to be hot early

1P 19:15:

Ferocious forecheck produces chance for Brashear

1P 19:95:

RDS blows the opening faceoff

1P 20:00:

An intelligent, defensive game like the one in Detroit will be just dandy here.

O'Byrne:

Patience, says Demers. Boiuchard on Ovechkin: Don't wake him up. Trying to run him won't work.

Ovechkin on O'Byrne:

I can't bear to think about it

Price on stopping Ovechkin:

"Close my eyes and hope it hits me."

Joël Bouchard:

Says jaroslav Halak has to be careful of lose pucks near the net because Ovechkin can score from anywhere ... thinks Kovalev, with his strength, should go to the net more

Number 36:

D'Agostini skating in the warm-up

Plekanec:

More emotional, says Benoit Brunet. A good sign.

Theo's stats:

Not good: 3.24 GAA, save percentage of .885. Anyone still wondering why the Canadiens drafted Carey Price?

New jerseys:

Today for Flyers and Bruins, who annihilated the Islanders (two goals by Ryder, a dirty hit from behind by Lucic: unpenalized)

Doug Jarvis:

Is away because his father is ill. Roland Melanson will be behind the bench tonight.

Ovechkin:

10 goals, 14 assists in November. Different player since he got back from visiting the ailing Gramps in Russia.

Caps:

Deadly at home. 

Jacques Demers says:

If it were the playoffs, Tanguay would be in

RDS Top 10:

Alexander Ovechkin's highlight goals, at 6:30

Tanguay:

Skated a bit this morning, talked to Graham Rynbend and that was it. Probably hard to move his head, which can be important in hockey.

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Comments

gumper's picture
From inside Bob Gainey's head. The ship is floundering. My defence, which I assumed would be my Achilles heel this year is bearing up nicely despite key injuries. The big fella is making a few mistakes, but I think he'll come along, and the added ice time will bring him along more quickly. Komi is back soon. My goalies are good enough and getting better. From the blueline in, no need to panic, but if I can find another D-man with a shot without mortgaging the farm I'll certainly make a move. As far as my forwards are concerned, well, they're not scoring. What's the problem? Last year, no problem, thanks in large part to the power play. Should I have let Streit go? He was good, but I just can't believe removing that one piece is the reason we've moved from #1 to #23. When you change personnel you have to change your strategy to adapt it to the strengths of the guys you have. If we don't have a bullet from the point we have to crash the net more, for example. I'm not seeing any radical change in our PP strategy. 5 on 5 we are getting our chances, but we don't seem to have any finish. Kovy needs to be better, for sure, but A.K. Plek,s Higgy, Saku, Tanguay all need to be potting goals. Everybody's gone cold at once. Experience tells me that, one by one, they'll warm up again, but how long should I wait? Maybe I should move one or two of my upcoming UFAs. Kovy and Higgy would free up Sundin money, and I should be able to find a good D-man for those two. I just wish to hell that indecisive Swede would step up. And what about Carbo? Sometimes he looks like a genius, then the next day he'd have trouble finding his way home from the rink. Problem is he's a good friend and I just extended his contract. What to do? What to do? What to do? I wish to hell this 100th anniversary thing were next year not this. Think for now I'll leak to Hickey that I'm working the phones, to give the impression I'm doing something, and curl into the fetal position till Christmas. Santa, please bring me a great big Swedish centre in my stocking.

And there you go folks,it is the end of November, the cobwebs are shaken off the league, and we present you your 2008-2009 Montreal Canadiens. Middle of the pack team, sometimes better, sometimes worse. May make 94 points and the playoffs but out easily in the first round, second round if the other team has bad luck. Cash registers overflowing. Also ran once again. Footnote in history. For 20 points Sports Trivia please: Once dominating team torn asunder by horrific management/ownership, last won the Stanley Cup in the previous century, revenue generating, players idolized but when traded tumble into obscurity? Just another Toronto, plenty of revenue, plenty of profit, no guts. With apologies to those who do not read of other religions, John 11:35

G-Man's picture
What a stinker. IS there no one on this roster that can inspire the team? Gilbert 2008/09 is the season of the Habs

likehoy's picture

likehoy's picture
if habs drop to 500...mark my words: carbo will be fired, or there will be a big trade.

ok, here comes some negative... last year seems to be proving a fluke. and if you add up the years between 1994 to now, we have a losing team. sure there is plenty of talent, but there is no will. no "heart". habs don't want to or simply can't compete this year. maybe its the pressure of playing for a storied franchise in its 100th year. maybe not. maybe its been denigrated to contract years and payoffs. i will still watch and root, but i am gonna stop believing for a little while. come a knocking come february habs. please.

P St. Pierre's picture
Honestly, where the hell did the Kovalev of last season go? I feel bad for Tomas Plekanec. He plays his heart out every game, while Kovy just floats around. I think both Andrei and Pleks would wake up with a new linemate, possibly Chris Higgins or Sergei. They don't necessarily need a super-skilled winger, just someone who can bring some energy. Gui-Koivu-Tanguay (D'Ags for now) Higgins-Pleks-Andrei Sergei-Lang-Kovalev Begin-Lapierre-Kostopoulos Markov-Gorges Hamerlik-Dandenault Boullion-Breeze D'Agostini is third in AHL scoring...surely he can help this struggling offense.

Dallas continues to suck. Anyone want Ribeiro back? Ha ha! -5 with the same points Saku. BG worst move firing CJ.

Xtrahabsfan's picture
Dandy for Ribs

Dandy to Dallas for ribs!! Oh, and the Texas BBQ sauce. Man those are so good.

Habitant in Surrey's picture
For a fan, last season was like finding a lush oasis after a long, long walk through a burning dry desert. We were spoiled with almost beautiful, exciting hockey from players whom appeared to be like boys playing for the pure pleasure of competing and entertaining us. After quenching our thirst from the cool well and savoring the sweet dates from their green trees, this year it appears our heroes are intent to ride our plodding camels back out into that burning dry desert. I wish the players could recognize a good thing when it is before them, because returning into the desert will be remorseful and cruel. What will it take to turn their camels back to the oasis ? We all have our opinions. Beyond my own personal opinions of what should be done, I just hope they would just go back to that camaraderie, effort and joy they had last season, whether we come close to winning a Stanley Cup or not.

Get your sandals. Big desert.

BIG-D's picture
You people can say this & that til the Cows come home. Montreal is going no where FAST. They will be fighting for 7th or 8th place this season. Learn to accept it Habs Fans. "NO CUP IN THEIR 100th YEAR" Bunch of over paid Millionaires........

craz11's picture
Uh.. I agree with Bergeron. Gui! should have played with Koivu and Higgins.

Someone should have played.

Blarneylad's picture
montreal loses another stinker...i have zero confidence in montreal's cup hopes this year

Kaptain K's picture
your picture depicts what Kovalev was doing during his "therapy session" today --- Bench Kovy..chant with me if you agree!

BIG-D's picture
YA THINK!!!!

punkster's picture
The panic in the streets is comical. Have a look at the year-to-date stats compared to last year (up a point) and the year before (down a point). Does the team have issues? Yes. And when doesn't a team have issues? When they win 100% of the time. And how many teams win 100%?

Actually they have been hyped as better. The fan response is quite natural. The fans sit and wait for players to develop. They see Lang and Tanguay arrive, see Price steady down, see the big contracts. See a worse performance and no motivation. Don't have to compete for a job, stop competing at all. Heck of a team work ethic. What is likely comical is fans who continue to believe through 15 years of futility that this is anything other than a profitable business. If the Habs were in Nashville or Atlanta they would draw about 8000 a game and fold.

Geeeee, Wilburrrr. I must have been a function of line combos!!!

I feel the frustration on here about the amount of ice time the 4th liners are getting. I'm just confused because I thought Carbo didn't want to number his lines this year, and the players seem to agree as the first liners are not playing like "Stars". At what point do we start to notice that production by line has been roughly equal since before the "4th liners" were used to leaven the doughy play of our offense? We need to load up our lines to beat an AHL-defence core? If Kovy is the Hab's answer to superstars like Ovechkin then I'm sure we all agree that the habs are going to have to go to their character guys. Post Script: it would seem tht Ovie managed to lead and inspire the call-ups tonight; maybe Koivu should get a chance to inspire some hamiltonian desire...

Habitant in Surrey's picture
Please...., Just ever when has Kovalev played like Ovechkin ? ....... When ??? With the Habs amazing legacy of great competitive WINNERS over our 100 years, I am continually bemused by the blind awe of so many here whom consider Kovalev as a "superstar". Rather, Kovalev is indeed the greatest "illusion" in Montreal Canadiens history. Maybe we have been so long without a genuine superstar that some have morphed Kovalev into one through their sheer power of delusion.

Wheeere's Moey? I need some comfort after a loss like that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm-MYqXhXFg&feature=related

Gary320's picture
3P 7:00: Team slogan: "La rondelle lui échappe .." And the most redundant sentace of the month of november is.. "La rondelle lui échappe .."

Geeeeee Booner, is it me, or did the Habs really suck tonight? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGZwmelwnBU&feature=related

Robert L's picture

Now I know why Detroit lost, Babcock thought the Habs sucked and played Conklin. Because of this mistake, the rest of their team played like crap. I don't think anyone who has watched Ovechkin or the Washington team in general when they play the Habs, would think of games against them as "gimme games"

Robert L's picture
But Conklin is the better of Red Wings goalies. Maybe you missed the part about seven regulars out of the Washington lineup.

Steiner's picture
On a completely different note (I'm avidly trying to ignore what happened this evening)... what the hell is wrong with Marty Turco??? Five goals tonight on 19 shots. Dallas is floundering!

Gary320's picture
Has long as Ive seen Marty Turco play... he is by far the most inconsistent goalie I have ever seen.. Especially in the play offs... 3-0 S/O win one night and 5-2 loss the next.. He can be really good and really bad IMO.

Y's picture
Inconsistent....He'd be a perfect fit for the Habs

Gary320's picture
Wouldnt mind trying So tommorow, me thinks D'Agostini should play. I think giving him a chance would be good.. put some fear into the players eyes.. bench a guy (maybe one of the Kos Bros) if Tanguay plays.

Ian G Cobb's picture
On a positive note. PK Subban has another 3 point night as the Belleville Bulls beat the Guelph Storm 4 to 3 in OT. He is absolutely tearing up the league this year, both ends of the rink. He is an Ovechkin on Defence.

Blarneylad's picture
lets not get too ahead of ourselves lol

Ian G Cobb's picture
I absolutely don't like what I'm about to say, but here goes, and I do believe this is a very strong possibility. Gainey and Carbo go back a long time and are very good friends, but Carbo has not found the right fit and chemistry for this club this year. If he can not get this ship turned around, in the next month,then I beleive Carbo will be working in the front office and Bob will get back behind the bench. Players better start to play properly with some desire and heart or they will find themselves on another roster. It won't take him long to find the cancer. Not a nice thing to have to say about a coach that was runner up to MVP coach of the year last year. But this cannot continue much longer if this indeed was to be a break out year to progress past the 1st round. .

G-Man's picture
Sorry, Ian, but it is the players. Look at the thing of beauty Wednesday night when everyone on the site was saying the Habs executed a brilliant game plan. That plan comes from Carbo. It's time Carbo benched underperforming and uninterested players like AK46. What will it take to break the team out of its funk? The players actually showing up like they did against Detroit. Taking the night off against a goalie that can't stop a beachball is unforgivable. I'd have them all skate until they puke this morning. Other than that, I'd definitely stop the mile long passes to wingers who are standing still or skating the wrong way. Gilbert 2008/09 is the season of the Habs

BIG-D's picture
Gainey done QUAT when he was behind the bench before in Montreal. NADA! NOT A DAMN THING....

Habitant in Surrey's picture
Exactly my opinion too Ian. Other than a major trade or unlikely signing of Sundin, Gainey taking over the bench is only way to light firecrackers up their a$%H*^es. They need direction and emotion. Gainey might seem phlegmatic but is a passionate competitor, as he was as a player. I believe his style of 'psychology' will be more effective with this group than Carbos (especially vis-a-vis the Europeans !). Carbonneau had a great year last year as the underdog, but does not seem able to get our Habs emotionally or strategically prepared to counter other teams preparation for our style. Carbonneau has a 3 year contract so the likelihood of him leaving the Habs is unlikely. Like Ian says, find Carbo a position upstairs for balance of the year. Gainey take it from here. Carbo is relatively inexperienced as a head coach and himself is learning. Give the coaching reins back to Carbo for 2009-10 season if he would accept it. Carbo is a proud guy, possible he won't, but eventually Carbo will be a great coach and he should be part of 25 in 100 if we do attain the goal.

Ian, Carbo isn't goin' anywhere, anytime soon. BG signed him to an extension. These guys are going to bumble-*** their way to the post season, at which time BG might make a move. Go watch Major Juniors or NCAA D-1 until the playoffs.

Steiner's picture
The Montreal Juniors won 5-2 tonight! Indeed! Go watch Major Junior!

twocents's picture
It's hard to figure out what is at the heart of this malaise. I am not sure it is Carbo's fault. But I do think he has been doing some questionable things. The thing that worries me most are the reports that make it seem like practices are not very disciplined or hard. I also wonder why they got a day off after a lost a few weeks ago, that seemed strange. He seems to be a very psychological coach and the effects of that can be hard to assess when you are not in the inner circle. I just don't know.

Ian G Cobb's picture
I don't think it is Carbo's fault alone. It is as much Gainey fault, don't forget he brought all these guys in here. The screening and scouting dept fell down on the job bringing in players with this kind of attitude. Only takes one or two to bring down the whole wall.

twocents's picture
I agree it only takes one or two. If that's the case, maybe it makes the most sense to identify them and send them on their way. But, the question remains if Carbo's style creates these problems sometimes or is it just bad eggs.

Shiloh's picture
Bergeron and Demers relentlessly promoting Gui is ridiculous. Maybe the kid will start to believe these "analysts". Gui belongs in Hamilton - plain and simple.

fun police's picture
carbo is losing the team, plain and simple. he spits in the face of everyone by throwing 4th liners on every line. we will not win many games with Begin playing 14 minutes. as much as i like our fourth liners, for crying out loud they are there for support not scoring. It is almost like Carbo has been elected president of the pluggers association and is doing his part to get them as much ice as possible. His strategy worked last game and now it will take him 5 games to make the next adjustment. we can't trade away our team, so do like the blackhawks and make a change. i know it won't happen, but holy cow, our fourth line gets way too much time.

Gary320's picture
Thats it.. there is nothing wrong with showing your players a little toughness and give ur working line ice time.. but THAT MUCH?.. it doesnt work.. You are pissing off people for the wrong reasons.. then you make Begin play with kovalev and Pleks... what???? how is that going to work.. maybe put Lang wtih those two instead.. something but that wasnt going to make u score goals.. I dont get him tonight... i really dont.

Gary320's picture
I don't know.. I understand if you wanna give O'Byrne confidence. But he had 22 minutes of ice-time tonight.. He wasn't THAT spectacular. He had more ice time than all the D's excluding Markov and Hamrlik. He was -2. I don't get it.... give the guy confidence by playing him,not by giving him the MOST ice time.. i wont blame him for the loss.. but give me a break. Kostopolous with Koivu and Higgins I don't get it. Kovalev gets 14 minutes of ice time.. god knows whats going to happen now that Carbo benched him, it wont be a process of telling him "GET UP OR WE BENCH YOU" It's probably going to turn around for bad.. I dont think Carbo shouldbe blamed for the loss, maybe SOME blame, but with some of his changes tonight.. I question what he is thinking too.. I hope O'B does not play more than 13 minutes tommorow, infact I wouldnt mind if he's benched.. the only good thing abot tommorow would be that OB faces the music.. besides that, its going to be a long night for him. I am happy for Theodore.. Good for him, Im sure it's a big finger to alot of people.. was he Theodore of old? No.. but he did enough to keep the game 3-0. Good for him..

JasonM's picture
I disagree. Ryan was -2 but wasn't at fault for either goal. For one Lapierre didn't cover his man and the other was a deflection in the slot. You can't blame someone for that. This is whom I blame : - A weak team collective psyche. Able to give us the best and the absolute worse. This wasn't a hard loss, this was simply giving the game away. - A popgun offense. When the last time we scored more than 3 goals now? When will players shoot properly? Middle of goalie chest shots are frustrating. - Poor defensive work. - Lines that make little sense. Kostopoulous with Koivu? Begin with Kovalev? Is this an exhibition game I watched? What the hell. - 4th line on the PP. A very strong message. I'm not sure the team can handle such a stand... :-( - Dumping the puck in without 2 players chasing it in earnest, always late. - Too many passes. When you have no confidence you tend to give the puck to someone else.

The Habs haven't iced a squad with this much intensity or ability since 1993. Yea, right!!! These guys are freakin' hot. They come to play every night. They are jusy a f'n joke, please!

ross's picture
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Wizard_troll_doll-low_res.... ^ I think I found you a new avatar. No, but seriously: we get it. You're impressed with their play and wish them many happy returns on their intense and consistent investment of effort during each and every game so far this season. The point of a discussion forum like this is to discuss, but all you've done is rant the same message in about a dozen posts in a row. I think you're trolling, though maybe not intentionally: nothing you're saying is promoting any discussion, so why post it over and over again?

That troll thing was the best you could come up with? Please, you're just so, dare I say, dildonic!

ross's picture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DildoNewfoundland.jpg ^ I'll change my avatar, if you change yours. ;)

twocents's picture
It's called venting and that's how some around here respond. Yeats has posted here for a long time, he isn't trolling. But, he is on record for promising to wait until the game against New York on December 4th before beginning to rant.

ross's picture
I know Yeats has been around forever, and I know he's venting, and I know that there's a lot to vent about, and I don't think he's actively trying to be a Troll. But. Although I think it's fair to vent, there comes a point where it's just upping the noise-to-signal ratio more than anything else. I only mentioned it because it really was something like the tenth or eleventh post of Yeats' I had read in half an hour or so, all one-liners, and all fairly redundant after the first few. And it doesn't mean I necessarily think he was wrong. :)

I don't know if I can hold out. This is what I hope for, but alas i think the result will be the same: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRZj48Ys25U

twocents's picture
I don't have the patience to watch that right now, I will later. You know Yeats, these tough stretches can be turning points in a season but they usually have to resolve with some kind of change being made, to have that relaunching effect. Sometimes it can be subtle and unseen to us fans, until later when players identify it, sometimes it can be something more drastic. I feel sure something will happen fairly soon and I have my inclinations but, I don't think the answer is obvious at this point.

Geeee TwoCents, even I know the current roster ain't gonna win a Stanley Cup!

twocents's picture
No Ed, the current roster isn't, but a couple of changes can make a big impact on how the team performs. And... I was talking to Yeats.

As a new trumpet once said to Wynton Marsalis, "Shut up and blow me!"

Thay just plain suck. Ray Charles could see that they suck, as Stevie Wonder. Crap, The Who's Tommy could sensed that they suck! What else is left?

Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
Theodore in post-game interview looks like he stole a hat from Red Fisher's closet!!!

gumper's picture
All right, fools rush in and all...I'm not on board with all the Kovalev negativity. Agreed, he seems to have lost his game right now, but who hasn't. A.K. is woeful in terms of production, as are Pleks and Higgins. If these guys are totally dependent on Kovy to get them going, then that's a problem. To lay the team's lackluster performance (on any given night) totally at Kovy's feet seems quite unreasonable to me. I think this 100th anniversary thing has really gotten inside players' heads, and as a result, the hands are holding the sticks a little tighter. Nobody who should be scoring IS scoring with any consistency, and I mean NOBODY. Carbo has got to find a way to get this team settled, quickly. I can see a strategic trade being effective, and certainly bringing on a player like Sundin could inject a shot of confidence (these two would have to go hand-in-hand) but benching your star players in favour of unproven rookies only sends a message to the whole team that you've reached the desperation point. I don't believe in getting people motivated through punishment. In the long run it wears thin.

ross's picture
But when A.K, Pleks, and Higgins are doing poorly, they just don't score. Kovy actively harms our team by giving the puck away on the rush, or holding on to it at the hash-marks until long after a play would have been effective, or playing vapid on defense so that the attackers have more room to move. Pleks and Higgy are starting to hustle a little, and even A.K. looks like he has a pulse now and again, despite their collective scoring slump. But I keep waiting for even a spark of life in Kovalev's play, and I keep getting disappointed. Maybe you're right though, and it is the 100th year celebration stuff. And if so, that could mean we're in for a very, very, very long winter.

RH's picture
3P Break: The guys who work hard can't score and the scorers don't work hard That about says it all.

ross's picture
I'm in absolute agreement.

Ian G Cobb's picture
There will be some moves very soon Yeats, they cannot play this kind of hockey and not be run out of town. I don't like to lose you can be sure, but we can not play at this level with such poor energy and pride. I am positive that the phones are engaged right now after reverting back to this stuff. If they think Gillett is going to continue signing huge cheques for this level of play, they are very mistaken.

showey47's picture
how can anyone really be surprised by the results? We have 4th liners playing all through the lineup. Poor koivu playing with 2 wingers who can skate but can't score,pass or stickhandle. Begin with pleky and kovy? Meanwhile we have one of the top scorers in the ahl sitting in the pressbox who is very hungry to get one crack at a roster spot. We can't replace tanguay with t.k. it doesn't work. We had our chances in the second but as usual no finish. The stinker on halak and the 5 on 3 put us away. That carbo powerplay special was one of the worst things i've ever seen. I guess carbo thought he would humiliate pleky and kovy by benching them for the powerplay but what he really did was embarass dandy,laps and begin by putting them in a position to fail miserably. Well we did split on a mini road trip, i guess thats about all the optimism that could be said.

twocents's picture
So you figure the problems all start with Carbo? I am not trying to argue, I am curious as to your point of view. I gather you've played hockey at a higher level than many of us. When a team is this inconsistent do you think that usually points to the coach?

Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
not to answer for showey, but his points were well made and a good coach would never do those things. Carbo did as good a job as his goal scorers tonight! It's really not that complicated.

twocents's picture
Yeah, I agree his points were well stated. I guess I am curious if he thinks the larger picture is mainly Carbo's fault. I agree some of his decisions were questionable tonight. Carbo is clearly frustrated. That's why I was asking Showey if he thinks it goes beyond tonight and whether he thinks his coaching is at the heart of the team's problems.

showey47's picture
I think he is trying to install more work ethic on each of the lines but its coming at the expense of offensive creativity. I do not totally blame carbo, i blame his players for putting him in this position to make continuous line adjustments because a few players refuse to do what it takes to compete every night. Carbo is doing whatever he can to spark his players but is starting to run out of options. As i posted much earlier, d'agostini should of played tonight. Nothing would stir the nest more then having someone from hamilton come in and try to steal someones job. This is how you get their attention. I think carbo is going to be a very good coach in this league, hopefully with us because i am tired of coaches getting fired just to become jack adams award winners somewhere else. Carbo is very frustrated and i think it starts and ends with kovalev. I wonder if he would of iced the same lines had this been a home game? Could you imagine the fans reaction losing 3-0, going on the powerplay and seeing the 4th line come out on the ice? I don't think it would of been pretty.

twocents's picture
showey, when you expand on your thoughts like that, I see that we see it in a very similar way. I agree that D'Agostino would have been a good tool to change things up. I also agree that Carbo's frustrations are centred on Kovalev. It seems to me there may be some psychological warfare going on between these two. I also think that Carbo may be feeling some heat and is maybe praying things will resolve, instead of being tough minded enough. I wonder if he didn't play D'ags as a 'reward' to the disenchanted for winning the Detroit game. If it was, that was some bad decision making. I also agree that I don't want to see Carbo fired, without being given more of a chance to sort this out. The 2 to 3 year revolving door is bad for the organization. I say the first change that should be made is a personnel move, trade, a callup, a signing, and that should happen soon. If shaking up the roster a bit proves no real results by the mid point of season, I might feel differently about Carbo. Thanks for responding, I did worry after I wrote my first post that it may have come off like I was looking for an argument but, in fact, I was sincerely interested in your opinion. Let's hope for a strong game tonight.

Gary320's picture
I dont wanna hate on Carbo and I wont blame him completely... but today... I think he deserves some blame for the L.

twilighthours's picture
Agreed on the PP comment. All Carbo did was embarrass his 4th liners and embarrass himself for letting such a great PP go to sh!t. I'm not a Carbo hater but when it comes to the PP I've lost my patience with him. It's sucked for 20 games - do something about it!

Nobody would take Kovy. Isn't he a UFA at then of this season? We would not get any value back because he has little value to a "team" game. We rode his wave last year but nothing more than a ripple this year. BG needs another walk and talk with him. He plays an unothordox style which works when its on but hurts his linemates and the team when it's not. He's predicatable and soft. I love the last years Kovy but opponents have cut him down by playing him tighter, cutting his angles, and taking away out options which makes himvunerable to turnovers and lost battles. Funny that in Detroit, he was dumping the puck instead of handling the puck along the boards and it worked. He may not like it, but he needs to keep that mentality to help his linemates do what they can do to be more effective. If he doesnt do it, bench him until he gets that its a team game and his "freestyle" is no longer helping them win often enough - including last years playoffs.

Well said. Unfortunately, I don't know if he can change his style to be a passenger and not the pilot. He is awful this year, and unless a miracle happens, he is not getting any better. Pleks and AK46 are forced to change their game with Kovy playing this way and it is a waste of their talent. Something's gotta give.

I think kvoy is taking Kovio chance at a cup away.

Habbu's picture
Package Kovalev before nobody is interested. How can a guy lose it like that over one summer? Perhaps if BG has another one on one chat with him down by the river. This team seems to lose interest very easily in competing. Guys when you lose the puck TRY and get it back!!

MD's picture
Seriously... Tonight i got a little bit angry at the following: 1. Lang 2. Kovalev 3. Carbo, benching the powerplay line. I am not paying those crazy basic satellite + RDS fees to watch 4th line forecheck on powerplay!

ross's picture
1. Really? I thought he was a bit invisible, as were Lats and Kostopolous (to my layman eyes), but did he do anything particularly "bad"? 2. Yes. Oui. Ci. Ja. Aap. Da. Ndiyo. Those are the first seven, I'll leave you to fill in the remaining 993. 3. The fourth line was our only line tonight though, no? I can always tell when it's them on the ice, even from across the room, because they're in the offensive zone, or behind the offensive net, and alwaysalwaysalways driving for the puck. Our PPs usually lack intensity/energy/whatever, and this time even lacked shots on net. Putting out the fourth-liners was a good move in my book. (And if you want to avoid those satellite fees, visit: http://habsonlinetv.blogspot.com/ )

Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
sorry, gotta disagree - 4th line on the PP is never a good move and that PP was living proof of that. To forecheck relentlessly is one thing, but to set up a play and control the O-zone is completely another, one that the 4th liners are incapable of doing. Carbo was just ticked with his other 'talented' guys, so he was trying to teach a lesson - a bad one at that!

ross's picture
I think I actually missed the 4th line PP by being in the kitchen, so maybe I'm just speaking out of my rear on this one... :) But it seemed like a decent idea to me, in theory. It's a potentially expensive lesson, I agree: but a high-energy PP with zero goals is better for morale than a two minute passing clinic with zero goals. I guess Carbo figured he couldn't do any worse by putting them out.

Gr8stFranchizEvr's picture
Carbo's post game comments: "I don't know what's going on with this team." When the coach of the greatest NHL franchise in the history of the game starts sounding like a fan, we are in deep doo-doo.

Kaptain K's picture
What would you say if you were coach right now....I dont think Carbo is a bad coach, i just dont think he is scary enough. --- Bench Kovy..chant with me if you agree!

Chant. Chant. Chant...

Stop making excuses, they suck. Tomorrow, the will likely suck as well. I think we all have to make the transition folks. It's got nothing to do about winning Stanley Cups. It all about putting a "creditable" vision of the Montreal Canadiens on the ice. And, yea, the management has done that!

twilighthours's picture
Yeats, I disagree. I think most of us believe that Bob wanted to make a serious run for the cup this year. SO far it's not working... but, for Bob, this year isn't about the illusion of greatness, it is about winning the cup. This team is not the Leafs. We actually care about winning. And Bob will fix it. If not for this year, then for next, when all the cancerous agents are gone from the dressing room.

Exit716's picture
Maybe last year was the year and Gainey messed it up by trading Huet for a 2nd round pick that might make the team in 2014.

WestHab's picture
The last place to be tomorrow is Montreal, I hate it but it will be a boooooo fest. Bring them to Calgary, or to Edmonton or even Detorit where we don't see them so often and we been looking forward to Chanting Go Habs Go! That was a lackuster affair tonight....mixed emotions.....Perhaps I'm too old for this....I was at the 71 parade. In Bob we Trust.

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