Controversy, Schmontroversy

posted by J.T. at 14h01 EST on Feb 25


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Boy, I like Jaro Halak. You have to admire a guy who was drafted in the ninth round and who was never supposed to be an NHL player standing on his head in junior, becoming an All-Star in the AHL and stepping in for the injured Cristobal Huet, nearly dragging the sliding Habs into the playoffs in 2007. (In some quarters, the debate about whether the Canadiens would have made it if Halak had started that last game against the leafs instead of Huet is still raging.) You have to respect someone who was fully, and rightfully, expecting to have a spot on the big team as Huet's backup last year after a strong showing the season before and performing as the best goalie in training camp...only to be sent to the minors in favour of Carey Price without a complaint. He went to Hamilton and did his thing, got called up to replace a struggling Price and never started a game before getting sent down again. And still no complaining. That's a team player. So, when he has a fantastic game in a time when the team really needs him to pull one off, it's no more than he's proven he can do in the last two seasons.

I also really like Carey Price. I watched him win the World Junior Championships. I followed just about every game of his 2007 Calder Cup run. In both cases, he was fantastic and proved he has a lot of talent and knows how to win. He was doing really well after Huet was traded last year, before fatigue and poor conditioning caught up with him in the playoffs. Again this year, he was playing well until felled by injury. As is the case with other good goalies, he's having some trouble finding his game again since his return. Off-ice controversy isn't helping him either, but his recent game in Washington showed he's not that far from returning to form if he keeps working at it.

The Habs have two really good, really young goalies who have both had their ups and downs and can expect to have more of each in the coming years. So, I don't understand why fans and media and casual observers say it has to be one or the other.



It's almost ridiculous. When Price is doing well, everyone wants to trade Halak for a centre. When Price is struggling and Halak comes up big, people are screaming to either dump Price because he's a lazy, overrated bum or dump Halak because his value will never be higher. It seems you can either be a Price supporter or a Halak fan, but not both. In some fan forums (fora?), people zealously defend their goalie of choice against the "gloating" of the other guy's fans when one is doing well and the other isn't. The idea that trading one of them would likely bring back something of value is probably true. But the question that raises is whether the "something of value" would be *more* valuable or important than the comfort of having reliable depth in goal.

The thing is, it's time for the idea of having one "real" goalie and a scrub backup...held by everyone from fans right up to team management...to change. I think the days of the number-one goalie who can play seventy games a year are over. If we look at goalies who've put up those kinds of numbers in the last few seasons, like Roberto Luongo and Martin Brodeur, it's notable that they haven't had outstanding playoffs. One theory for that is simple exhaustion. Playoff hockey is intense, hard and fast, and a goalie who's been worn down by a heavy workload over the course of a season has got to be nearly superhuman to raise his game to a higher standard in April.

The other argument for teams going back to a more traditional platoon goalie system is injury prevention. Most young goalies today employ the butterfly style, and it's been proven that, with the speed of the game and number of shots goalies are facing, butterfly goalies are sustaining more hip, groin, knee and ankle injuries than in the past. A reliable backup who plays a significant number of games helps relieve the physical stress on both goalies. More work for the backup also alleviates the overwork problem for the starter.

The current school of thought, which focuses on a number-one guy and a relatively insignificant backup, depends heavily on the starter's durability. The Devils were really lucky this year to have Scott Clemmenson step up after Brodeur went down long-term. But not every team's cheap backup is able to do that. The usual system also sees the starter spelled by a backup who must step in cold and keep the team winning after he hasn't seen a game in weeks. It's tough to find a backup able to do that consistently, which would support the argument that the work should be spread more equitably between the two goalies for the good of the team. Ideally, since every single win is important, a team needs a number-one guy playing about fifty games, and a backup playing a solid thirty or so. That way, someone's always ready, no one's getting overworked or risking unnecessary injury and each goalie has a chance to gain the confidence of his teammates and his place on the ice. On the other side of things, if the starting goalie is struggling, the roles can switch around. It's a system that worked for one of the greatest teams in history, when Ken Dryden and Bunny Larocque shared the Habs' net in the seventies. Patrick Roy and Brian Hayward worked on a 45-35 game split in the late eighties, and won three Jennings Trophies for having the best team goals-against average in the league. Grant Fuhr and Andy Moog split their games nearly evenly in the same time period and their team won four Stanley Cups in that stretch.

The Canadiens are really lucky to have Price and Halak who are young, cheap, talented and...when they're on their game...able to beat anyone in the league. It's a valuable combination to have, especially when neither of them has proven he's the number-one, in the way that Luongo or Brodeur or DiPietro, is a number-one goalie. While they're both developing, Price and Halak have upside we can't yet calculate. But while they're working on becoming the goalies they'll be in five years from now, they could be a very strong tandem with a more even division of games. It would be good for them and good for the team.

The trick to making it work is obviously an understanding and agreement between the two goalies about how the games will be divided. That means one guy has to be content with playing fewer games. And the guy with more games has to accept he won't beat some of the records other goalies will set because he won't have a comparable number of career starts. It means both goalies have to sign contracts that make neither of them cap-space casualties. It's hard to imagine a player taking less just to keep his spot in a good situation, but it's something for a smart goalie to consider. There are lots of cases of a goalie receiving the number-one mantle and the big contract that goes along with it, only to falter under pressure and end up waived or traded for little return. Jose Theodore collapsed in Montreal and Martin Gerber did the same in Ottawa. Other goalies who were once valuable members of a team, like Ilya Bryzgalov and Manny Legace, have been let go with little fanfare. Life's not easy for an NHL goalie, and their futures are only slightly more secure than those of NHL coaches.

I don't expect the dominant mindset on how the goaltending position should be filled to change overnight. But there are compelling reasons for a team to keep two strong, competent goalies on the roster to truly share the netminding load. In the meantime, though, while the Canadiens are trying to decide how to use their young goalies, it would be nice to see supporters of the team really support both of them.  They're not enemies, and if they can both find a way to play well, they can be the best friends the team can have. 


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/jshakka/ Well,i don't agree one bit with what BOb ,is doing to Halak..Guy Carbonneau would have know better to play Halak.its a team game.Bob,has to learn to put the team first.Bob seems he can't read his team.As the team plays soooooooooo much better when HAlak is in.They would have won last nite w/ Halak . How can he be sooooo blind,after what Halak ,done in the game before,stopping all those shots,most of them difficult.When montreal needed saving,halak comes in and pulls of 4 great victories,and he gets a flu,and losses his starts,that's sooo wrong..All i know that no NFL guarteback,has lost the starting job to a sickness.Gainey is trying to prove all wrong about Price,and putting that ahead of the team success.Even Price knows Halak,should start ,for the betterment of the team. All the players know too,by the way they paly in front of HALAK..i hope he plays next game at least.You se gainey thinks hes smart...After sittitng halak for a while.Guess who he plays against ,the next time.The nite of Martin Brodeur record in wins..Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,,,I knew damm will ,he will halak..Why ..1-No matter what,new jersey wasn't going to loose that game.So throw in Halak..right BOb,and he has an ok game,we lost.Cmon,throwing ,him to the wolfs..why didn't he play his BOY price that nite eh...Very sadden,about the make up of the team in nets,its sickening to see. Halak,so professionally,so much better,than Price now..just sucking it up.I hope he goes to the World Championship,and has a great run... In the long run,for me halak,has more character than price.he has been thru more adversity in his life ,,he's our man in nets ,not Price..gainey has to go,,if it was going to like this..Why did he let GUY go,to do a worst job..and messing up things more.....I wonder what KOvlov told halak,in the game against Boston,in the 3rd period,after making all those great saves..he either said,...look for me ,for a break away pass,or simply..halak,your the man,were try to talk to BOb,for you.for the next game....remember the guote Henri richard,said after one game with Halak.Never have i seen a goalie play like that since..jacgue Plante....am i the only one that sees,that HALAK Is wayyyyyyyyyyyy,better than Price.. And if he starts ,halak,next game...Again ,he puts this boy in ridiculos situations..to save us. The funny thing is when halak,lets in One soft goal,he never plays again..PHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH,PRICE.....lol..all his goals are soft on him..seshhh cmon Bob..I know you picked him blah blah....Put the team first,ok..Now it mite be to late,but try anyone..ok...

GP HABS FAN's picture
I like 'em both! ------------------- DRIVE FOR 25!!!! GO HABS GO!!!!

Thank god Gainey thinks his goalies are the ones. All these "TRADE PRICE HE STINKS!" or "TRADE HALAK WE NEED BIG CENTERS" drives me up the wall... Nothing is wrong with having a 1A/1B tandem. It's even better that they're under the age of 25 which means they have a whole world of growth ahead of them.

oshawahabsfan's picture
Great article J.T. I completely agree with you, the workload on number one goalies is just going to lead to more and more injuries. A team would be stupid to not want two quality goalies. We are lucky to have such a tandem and should appreciate that and do whatever it takes to keep them together as they'll become the two premier young goalies in the league.

The M's picture
excellent piece

Y's picture
"Life's not easy for an NHL goalie, and their futures are only slightly more secure than those of NHL coaches. " Agreed. 100%

Sbah Reverof's picture
Absolutely. Give a 50/50 split in games played, a decent 3-5 year contract, and most of the mental battle will already be won. That leaves them free to concentrate on winning games, supporting the other guy, and some security for the future. It also breeds a better team spirit. The camps are divided because of the unusual hype surrounding Price, and some have bought into that. Hell, if we had a third goalie of that calibre, I'd play him too, and focus on winning playoff games by playing to each goalie's strengths. Who cares who's in nets as long as we're consistent?

mon_chums's picture
The team who has best utilized a two goaltender system in recent years is Detroit. The Hasek/Osgood combo was excellent and now the Osgood/Conklin combo is excellent. Not young goalies, but you get what I am saying. It can be done affordably.

More precisely, Conklin is excellent and makes Osgood look ok. Osgood has been downright atrocious all year and is posting fringe-ECHL goaltending stats. The only reason the Wings are where they are is Conklin - it might even be argued that had Conklin started 50% more games, they would be on top of their conference instead of trailing the Sharks by a couple points. But your point is correct, as is JT's. I completely agree that a good goalie combo is the best way to do the job and I hope Gainey is gearing the Habs in this direction.

dylan151's picture
Well Done JT! I totally agree. Many successful teams in the past have proven you need 2 quality goalies to get the job done. It is in the Canadiens best interest to keep both goalies. DON'T TRADE HALAK BG! Right now Halak deserves to be the go to guy. He gave the Habs what they needed. A game that was stolen by the goalie when the forwards and defense were being outplayed. Also, he gave a major confidence boost that this team may be headed in the right direction. Now is the time to add that one piece we need a Big 1st or 2nd line Center. Halak proved that he can do it many times in the past and has not cried a single tear about why he is not #1. Folks, That is a team player, who the Habs need badly. He is willing to do whatever it takes to win, a good road map to the cup if you ask me. Having a tandem is a positive edge for the Habs. Each goalie knows if he is winning then he will keep playing, while the other guy is looking for his spotlight to shine. It is more of a matter of morale boosting and confidence building than creating some controversy. The Habs can get what they need at the deadline without giving up the most important positional players, the goalie. The Stone in a teams foundation. Everyone knows now that if you do not have a goalie who is fresh and confident going into the playoffs you will not last long. Also, it is important to keep the other team guessing on who will start. It provides less of a chance to expose the goalies week parts of his game.

Chris's picture
I share your concerns with the 1-goalie system. I'm not convinced it has ever been the best way to go. If you look at the teams that have superstar goalies, they also have a team committement to airtight defence, from the goalie out to the forwards. This is why a guy like Brodeur can go down to injury and a journeyman back-up like Scott Clemmensen can step in and achieve comparable stats. We've also seen it in Florida (Vokoun and Anderson) and Detroit (Hasek/Osgood/Conklin/the kid down the street). Halak and Price are both young goalies, and I would prefer that neither of them approach 60 games. I'm quite content with a 50-30 or 45-35 split for a few years, if not forever.

You could repeat this every year when the habs have a fake goalie controversy.

There is no doubt both those goalies are good. Neither is consistent. On Tuesday night Halak played very well. He took a month and something to get to that point. Price is the same way. The worst thing that Price has done so far is to believe the All Star votes weren't rigged. Me I think Huet was an excellent backup, and could play consistently, until the big game which he never won. Huet has three playoff series, three losses. And Huet has the infamous "TO end of the season and we're in" game that he blew. At what Huet is making this year I better be wrong. Since the only thing that matters is winning 4 of 7 four times in a row I don't think the Habs have it. Maybe next year, maybe 2011, maybe never. But a consistent goalie, like Brodeur has been, lets a team believe there will be someone around to save the day. Roy/Hayward, Fuhr/Moog, they were consistent. One could step in for the other when things went off track. Price/Halak, not the same. I wouldn't want to lose either one, but both could use a mentor to get their heads on straight.

Willy the bum's picture
I used to play street hockey every Saturday mornings during my high school years, and I was mostly the goalie. And the guys called me Halak 'cause it rhymes with my last name, while the others who play goalie called himself a Roy or a Price 'cause they tend to "made incredible stops." And boy, how times has passed. :D Now when I think of this, making unbelievable saves and fancy moves doesn't make a better goaltender as much; it's the confidence and the passion to play hockey which made not only a great goalie but also a team player too. And I'm sure both Price and Halak should bring their confidence into the team sooner and really play their hearts out. GOOD LUCK, PRICE AND HALAK! P.S. I won as a goalie mostly all the time since then.... HA! ---------- "Old-time hockey?" - Steve Hanson (Slap Shot)

BoomBoomMax's picture
YOU ARE GENIUS J.T.!!! ____________________________ "F*ck it Dude! Let's go bowl!"

Olay Olay Olay's picture
I've been a Halak fan since the 2007 run and I thought he's been treated unfairly since. But there's no denying Price's skill and the fact that he has all the tools necessary to be a superstar. I just question his maturity at this point, I think Gainey made an Error in bringing him up so early and should have left him down for another year but who cares about the past. Right now I'm happy that we have two number 1's, and am comforted in knowing that Halak can really come through in big games if we need it.

RiverviewCanadien's picture
I agree with you completely about Halak, I have been a fan of his for a long time, and I too feel he has got the raw end of the deal for the past couple of years, just hope they treat him better down the stretch. But this is a nice problem to have (at least when sCarey Price is playing well)

Fant-HAB-ulous's picture
I agree with you. But I also think that the tandem-goalie mentality is already here. How many teams ACTUALLY have a #1 goalie set in stone? Maybe 5 or 6? Most other teams switch it up being two, three and in one case four goalies.

BoomBoomMax's picture
And what does that comment make you? A D!ck on legs? ____________________________ "F*ck it Dude! Let's go bowl!"

100Years...25Cups...25Percent's picture
You referring to me as a D!ck makes you what exactly? Do we know each other? Am i your friend your pal? Or you're just a constipated loser behind a keyboard getting his kicks out of other people's hahahas on his impolite posts? Get a life..

BoomBoomMax's picture
I wonder why your comment has been erased... In Bob, we trust!

A little disingenuous of you to accuse someone of being 'a constipated loser behind a keyboard' 'on his impolite posts' when your first post is quite insulting.

100Years...25Cups...25Percent's picture
A girly approach is an insulting thing to say? Why is that? Please explain.. That's exactly how i felt when i read the post.. and i didn't use any impolite big words unlike your friend there... weird... really really weird...

J.T.'s picture
Okay, I'll bite. What do you mean by "girly?" As an intelligent woman who appreciates and knows hockey, I wrote the post with an idea and an argument to back up the idea. If, by "girly," you meant invalid or silly or pedestrian, then, yes, it's insulting. http://habsloyalist.blogspot.com

100Years...25Cups...25Percent's picture
Well for starters i had honestly no idea that J.T. is a woman and NOOOOW i understand why some people took my comment as an insult. I apologize if it sounded that way, but it wasn't meant to sound that way. Second, what i meant by a girly approach was the fact that when i read your post, i immediately said to myself, if i was Patrick Roy or Martin Brodeur or Luongo or Hasek or Fuhr or any other goalie who proved over the years that not only they can play most of the regular season games and win a lot of them, but also carry their teams deep into the playoff rounds and almost single handedly win Stanley cups, if i was one of these great athletes and read your post i would immediately be kind of insulted by the way today's media is trying to cover the new kids on the block who have no idea about what true commitment is, about what it means to be paid to do a job, about what it takes to be dedicated and become winners. Again, maybe my choice of words was wrong but i had no idea and it wasn't meant to be taken that way and again i apologize..

BoomBoomMax's picture
Girly just doesn't belong in the whole debate! I read a lot of what you post J.T. and if anything, you're a better "writer" than most of our montreal journalist... On top of that, you know what you're talking about... One last thing. I just learned last week that you were of the opposite sex, so NO, it doesn't make a difference on a journalistic level... I had to take your defense because your articles are great and you shouldn't have to be depicted as a "women" with a "womanized point of view"... You're Fan and a Journalist first unless you decide to present AND offer your views AS a lady... Otherwise, it's sexist to relate to your opinion with that angle! The "D!ck on Legs" bit might of sounded arch, but in fact, was meant more as a sarcastic remark than an actual insult... I apologize for it... That's all! In Bob, we trust!

BoomBoomMax's picture
Thank you! In Bob, we trust!

crabvader's picture
Ha....ha...........ha...........

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