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The Canadiens open the home portion of their schedule on Thursday as the Colorado Avalanche visit the Bell Centre to kick off a six-game homestand.
Pat Hickey, Dave Stubbs, Mike Boone and Kevin Mio set up Thursday's game and look back at the five road games the Habs played to open the season. We also address the loss of Andrei Markov and the lack of secondary scoring.
And next week, we will also be using one reader question for our panel to answer, so add them as a comment here or email kmio@thegazette.canwest.com, but please label them as Podcast Question. Thanks
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Our scribs have the same apprehension I have about the fans at home if things get out of hand Thursday night. Even if some booing is deserved by some rationale, it is going to hurt not help. Come to think of it the booing does help the opposition.
Thanks.
Respectfully,
Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Major-General of Fort Gainey Demolitions Depot, Rear Admiral of the II-Class Destroyer Red Armada, and Under-Secretary of Defense of The Flannel.
...after listening to THIS version of 'PodCast' ...I thought to Myself ...Where Is Red Fisher ...when ya reallly NEED Him ?
...Pat ? ...Dave ? ...Mike ? ...Kevin ? ...Come Prepared ...BEFORE thowin' one of these together next time ...please ?
Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
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Kevin Mio states,"that Metropolit also commented on Saku Koivu and why he's happy to be out of here".
As well, none of the panel seems that keen on our start to the year.
I think he meant the Finnish reporter that wanted to interview Metro, not Metro.
We must not get too negative about the negativity.
Avs: 21 GF, 13 GA
So the mention of Vladamir Malakhov got me thinking about a subject that came up around here a couple of summers ago. If you were to chose the ten best defencemen to play for the Habs, post Chelios, do you include Vlad? As maddening as he was.
Here's a quick stab at my list.
Not too many elite defensemen on the team the last 20 years are there? That's not a hugely impressive list below Schneider (first tour obviously).
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I would...he was a good player forced into too big a role. That sentence pretty much sums up the Montreal Canadiens, 1995-2009. :)
Here's my top 10...
Honourable mentions: Quintal, Hamrlik, Dykhuis (always had a soft spot for him), Bouillon and Dandenault
petr svoboda ?
Elmer Lach's #16 jersey should be raised to the rafters.
What no Brisbois or Dufresne or Traverse
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Beliveau- his legend is 600' tall and growing...
Okay first question - does Price "fan" on the first Avs shot -2nd or 3rd ?? - how long does Gainey/Martin stay with this guy ? - I could see it if they had nobody else (like the Leafs) but Halak has shown enough to be playing much more than he does. He's way more consistent and I'm sure the boys in front of him have way more confidence in Halak than Price right now.
I'd be more worried with the confidence that the goaltending has in the defence, not the other way around.
Just an FYI (not a complaint),
The iTunes link is not a true iTunes link, it's a duplicate of RSS link.
And if one uses iTunes to subscribe to the puckcasts, the latest there is from Sep 9th.
habs talking to Dallas.... maybe about Brunstrom.
and the only untouchables on the habs(as fas as trade bait) are Markov, Gionta, Cammalieri
and PK Subban. all the rest are mediocre to crap and must go.
What is the scouting report on Brunstrom? Would they part with Morrow for SK, MaxPac and Halak?
Awesome avatar. :)
I also think that Lats needs a Koivu, someone to bounce the puck off him into the net, and I think that means he should play with Cami and Pleks - two guys who play with grit but can also find their man.
So based on the players we have now (at least when Metro comes back), here are my lines:
Lapierre - Gomez - Gionta
Cammalleri-Plekanec-Latendresse
Pacioretty-Metro-Moen
D'Agostini-Chipchura-Laraque
--------------------------------------------------- `Could this team miss the playoffs? Who knows?' - Bob Gainey on the new Habs.
Did we trade A. Kostitsyn?
There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey...
Sorry to disagree but Laps is nothing more than "pin ball wizard".
If Gainey is talking to Dallas I pray to God he is not asking for a downside veteran. This guy scares the hell out of me.
mjames
"I have this thing stuck in my head that Lapierre is a top 6 forward."
I'm quite the opposite from you...I can't get it out of my head that Lapierre is the best fourth line center in the NHL and a decidedly average third line center that Habs fans seem to over-value. He does not create anything for his linemates unless it is off a rebound, he takes stupidly long shifts where he changes at the worst possible time and I don't see the offensive skills that everybody else seem to find obvious.
I agree. Though I think he could still improve as a third line centre and be considered a solid one.
I think you're wrong.
Let's have this conversation again in six months.
--------------------------------------------------- `Could this team miss the playoffs? Who knows?' - Bob Gainey on the new Habs.
I'm game. And I hope I'm wrong.
But Lapierre has never been a scorer at any level. I think it's fair to say that his passing acumen is below average. He throws hits, but when was the last time you saw a Lapierre hit actually make a guy wince? He isn't that great positionally (yet, but I am at least confident that this area of his game will improve).
Lapierre is a good penalty killer that is good on faceoffs but who often exhibits very poor judgement. This is why I put him as a mediocre third liner. Like Eric, I think he has the potential to improve, but I think it is perhaps unrealistic to ever expect him to surpass a third line role.
So..you suggest taking our winningest face-off guy off of centre and put him on the top line where he is expected to do what?
Cammallerri should be put on center!!!
I see you're liking my idea.
There's a saying "the main thing is to make the main thing the main thing". And the main thing is scoring goals. Apparently Chips has a good faceoff percentage (up from being lousy last year), so a) he might fit the role and b) winning faceoffs is teachable - the other qualities Laps has are not.
-------------------------------------------------- `Could this team miss the playoffs? Who knows?' - Bob Gainey on the new Habs.
If you don't have the 20 minutes or so you need to listen to it, here is a summary.
Problem. Problem. Problem. Martin kicked Laraque and Kostitsyn *** - good thing. Problem. Cynicism. Problem. Koivu very happy to be out of Montreal - isn't everyone. See you next time.
Nobody's forcing you to listen to it if you don't want to.
To Boone, Stubbs, Mio, and Hickey, thanks for taking the time.
Thanks. I thought I had to listen.
Thanks. I was afraid to listen for just that reason. Sometimes these guys offer ZERO insight. You'd think they would come prepared with a few tidbits at least - new ideas or information - to spice it up. The podcast sometimes is a joke.
--------------------------------------------------- `Could this team miss the playoffs? Who knows?' - Bob Gainey on the new Habs.
That's a little harsh.
True.
Sometimes the podcast is really good too.
But it's very dissappointing on those occaissions when these insiders seem to have little more to offer than I can pick up here.
--------------------------------------------------- `Could this team miss the playoffs? Who knows?' - Bob Gainey on the new Habs.
Bergeron is the savior? Wow. Dramatic.
So the word is that Ilya Kovalchuk is seriously being shopped around the league. One of the top four forwards in the NHL and the Habs hands are tied because of the dubious moves of Bob. Hmmmm, Gomez or Kovalchuk? BG has sentenced us to five more years of mediocrity. Some legacy Bob.
It is actually very depressing to see the predicament we are in. It is sad, very sad.
mjames
The only thing sad is your opinion of a player who hasn't even played at home yet. I imagine when he scores 30 goals and rakes up 50 assists you'll shut up.
There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey...
Do not get me started on this topic. Don't do it. I will turn into a rage-iholic. This has been my nightmare scenario since July 1.
The new Habs tradition isn't handing the torch of champions anymore, it's the torch of mediocrity now. 8th to 10th place forever baby!!!!
Gomez is a center and Kovalchuk usually plays on the wing. And we could still trade people you know.
Trade any of the recently signed free agents and say goodbye to ever getting one to commit to Montreal again.
So that leaves the holdovers from the purge: Plekanec, the Kostitsyns, Markov, Hamrlik, Subban and a bunch of second-tier prospects, a whole bunch of third and fourth-line forwards, Price and/or Halak.
Trade away any roster players and you've got a team that has even less depth, which is what is killing us now. Our prospects are simply nowhere close enough to warrant a player of Kovalchuk's calibre.
And because you can't trade any of Gomez, Gionta or Cammalleri, you don't have the salary to sign Kovalchuk anyways, so it becomes a one season rental.
That ship, the one where you land a legitimate superstar player, sailed when Bob tied up his cash for the next 5 years on July 1st.
The Habs are now in the market for complimentary players. Our top three forwards, at least for a couple more years, are Gionta, Cammalleri and Gomez.
We'll never know now, which was the point of my post.
Bob chose to attach his wagon to Gionta, Cammalleri and Gomez for the next 5 years, spending all his big money in the first summer he had it as opposed to finding some stop-gaps and waiting to see if any better players came up on the market this year as teams looked to dump salaries before losing them for nothing.
I think he rushed it and tied that wagon to fading horses. Time will tell if he made the right choice or not.
That's why your not a GM. You think you know more than Bob - trust me, you don't. If you believe "the word" you and Eklund should hang out. The thing armchair GM's need to understand - not a lot of players out there want to come to Montreal. It's a fact. We got Gomez because we were willing to pay his salary - if we didn't get him, who would we have now? Koivu was leaving. Kovalev probably would have stayed. His 1 goal, -4 and terrible play so far is not making me miss him much. Gomez has been playing well. We haven't had a guy able to carry the puck out of our zone in years. Comparing Gomez to Kovulchuk is just plain stupid. There are 4 guys in the league with his talent. Just be patient with this team.
"The thing armchair GM's need to understand - not a lot of players out there want to come to Montreal. It's a fact."
Ilya Kovalchuk craves the spotlight more than any player in the NHL except for perhaps Alex Ovechkin. If there are two guys in this world that WOULD want to play in Montreal or Toronto or New York because of the media glare and all spotlight and not despite it, they are Alexander Ovechkin and Ilya Kovalchuk.
Look, Chris. I respect your point of view. You write great posts. You're a friggin' HIO guru, albeit a gentlemanly devil's advocate with a slight tendancy towards curmudgeoning ;-) but now you're entering speculative territory that goes even beyond eklunding. I do not under any circumstances want to get into a bidding war for Ilya Kovalchuck. Woe be to the team that signs him.
With nutbars like Burke et al around I wont even for a second consider what might be next year. At any rate it is teams of the Pittsburgh/Chicago/Washington mould which are the up and coming power houses, not us or anybody who plunks down insane cash for Ilya Kovalchuck.
Woe be to the team that gets a guy who has scored 302 goals in 548 career games?!?? Unless you have Alexander Ovechkin, who benefits a little from having a vastly superior supporting cast, Ilya Kovalchuk is the best pure goal-scorer that we've seen since Gretzky and Lemieux.
Unlike many European players, he has no problem playing feisty when he's engaged, and he's one of the most passionate players in the NHL. I rank him as one of the top 5 players in the NHL, easily. You want to win a Stanley Cup, you need an elite player. We don't have one, nor are we getting one without tanking.
That means that to get one, we do it by trade or by FA signing. That is the reality. Gomez and Gionta are good players, possibly even stars, but not elite players. Cammalleri is closer, but he's really not even close to the level of a guy like Kovalchuk.
I've wanted Kovalchuk for a couple of years, and if you go back to July 1, that was the basis for a lot of my complaints. It was flat out stupid to tie up all that money in a trio of guys that are good to very good, but not elite, when the league is entering a financially uncertain time. The other big fish in the NHL are out of the picture...that is part of the reason we were able to get Cammalleri in the first place. Unless Atlanta miraculously turns it around in the first 20-25 games this year, Kovalchuk was destined to become available.
With so many of the choice destinations cap crunched, the Montreal market appearing to be fairly desirable for Russian players and a speedy, offensive minded team sitting with cap space, I feel extremely confident in "Eklunding" that Kovalchuk would love to play in the spotlight of Montreal, Toronto or New York. He wants out of Atlanta because he is tired of losing. Toronto is clearly not as good as Montreal, and New York has no cap space.
"Unless you have Alexander Ovechkin, who benefits a little from having a vastly superior supporting cast, Ilya Kovalchuk is the best pure goal-scorer that we've seen since Gretzky and Lemieux."
I think Pavel Bure would say otherwise.
seriously? so you want bob gainey to hold out and not sign anyone in the slight hope that atlanta might give away ilya kovalchuk and then keep him for 2 months with an uncertaintiy of resigning him???
ya your right you should be the GM, your approach is waaaaaaaaaaaay better
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Kovalev [ka-va-leov]: A player who makes you jump out of your seat with a wicked deke or a sick shot and makes you say: "Did you see that!!"
I think Gainey learned his lesson with the Sundin fiasco.
Exactly, of course I would have attempeted to get draft choices for the free agents instead of letting them walk for nothing. Stock the team with young players and stockpile cash and draft picks. Look at Pittsburgh and Washington. Fininshing last for a few years is the only way to reach the Cup, midde pack teams is a recipe the Leafs have taken for decades. It is a sign of a franchise that is more interested in the bottom line than it is in winning the ultimate prize. Bob gutted the Habs in order to save his job and mortaged the future.
So when we were holding a playoff spot at the trade deadline last year we should have traded all of our ufa's and went with prospects for the rest of the season? That makes great sense.The bottom teams get better because they get higher draft picks and they also get more picks because they are constantly dumping players at the deadline because they are not making the playoffs.But when you make the playoffs every year you can't unload veteran players. Do you suggest we lose on purpose in order to get high draft picks? That,my friend is the battle cry of the losers. You can be a competitive team every year without selling out your pride. I,for one,have too much pride to be a sandbagger.
unlike you Bob Gainey did not have the option of hindsight.
maybe you have a short memory but let me remind you that last year we were a team that finished first the eyar before, loaded with talent that was just going through a rough patch. now imagine gianye owuld have given awaay all the free agents when the team is just struggling for a bit.
you, as well as many other fans would have creid bloddy murder and demanded his job, obvisouly he couldn't trade the free agents while we were in 4th position in the east at the time. now that would have been stupid.
and tanking is not for this team, there is something to be said for pride
--- we need a kovalev
Kovalev [ka-va-leov]: A player who makes you jump out of your seat with a wicked deke or a sick shot and makes you say: "Did you see that!!"
Hindsight? It only required some hockey sense and the ablility to assess the team objectively. Check the archives. I said at the time that the team had overachieved, the combination of career seasons by several players and an incredible PP. I also said Carbo was a terrible coach and should be fired or the team would falter. Bob had more than enough time to determine which players he wanted to keep. His inability to make timely decisive descions is his biggest failing as a GM. Why is Markov still not signed to a long term contract? This is asinine!
well i guess Bob Gainey isn't as knowledgable in hockey as you are.
but i will agree that he should act with contracts a little faster, the only person that i am upset who we let get away is mark streit.
other then that i don't have any objections with the palyers that left.
and who would you have traded away?
the 2nd longest serving captain? our powerplay quarterback and fan favourite kovalev? dandenault/boullion and give the french media an aneurysm.
may ir emind you that when we picked up schneider our pp was 25%. so can't trade him after just picking him up.
trade tanguay? he was injured for a big part of the season so he had no trade value as was lang.
things aren't as simple as they seem.
--- we need a kovalev
Kovalev [ka-va-leov]: A player who makes you jump out of your seat with a wicked deke or a sick shot and makes you say: "Did you see that!!"
Is it not possible to have a differing opinion in this world without having the "Well you clearly know more than Bob Gainey" argument thrown at you? Sheesh.
I don't see too many fans here holding back from mocking decisions made by Brian Burke or Mike Milbury or Brian Murray or countless other GM's. So what's the difference? Because all of those guys probably "know more hockey" than any of us as well.
Because you played hockey or have won Stanley Cups in the past does not necessarily mean you won't make mistakes as a coach or GM, regardless of how much you "know hockey". Ask Mike Keenan as coach/GM or Glen Sather as a GM.
I continue to be amazed by the blind loyalty some of these guys have. If one looks at the team objectively you can clearly see it has structural problems. I still do not understand the Gomez trade. it is almost as if Gainey was trying to get back at the fans by sabotaging the team's future. I am beginning to believe that Gainey purposely sabotaged this team.
mjames
You need to see a professional about his obsession you have with the Gomez trade. You're gonna have a nervous break down and find yourself sitting in the shower, nude and saying, Say no to Gomez, Say no to Gomez...WHY WHY WHY??? Please get Higgins back... What about that prospect... DUDE GET OVER IT. He is going to be an Assistant Captain on our team. Maybe you should go ahead and get yourself a Nordiques Jersey.
There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey...
LMFAO, yes please get the amazing higgins back. As of right now only voros and brashear are the only forwards who has less points then chris "miss the net or hit the goalie in the chest"higgins.
chris "miss the net or hit the goalie in the chest"higgins
Yep, and as bad as HE shoots, check out Gomez's shooting success sometime... :)
compare their points/season sometime. Gomez is a great playmaker,higgins hasn't provided offence in 2 years and has been injury prone. Higgins is also a ufa after this year and may walk.Something he probably would have done in montreal had we kept him,Then the whiners would be complaining that we let another first rounder walk away for nothing.
I've followed the absurdity of this series of posts for a while now but this one, this single comment, has got to be the funniest I have read on HI/O in months. Thanks for the chuckle. Please...sagotaged?...on purpose?
punkster, would it be rude to vote for that as assinine post of the year?
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
i have no problem with different points of view. like i stated myself the not signing of mark streit was a huge mistake.
but if you poitn of view makes no sense such as "trade everyone when you are in a palyoff spot" and then blasting the GM for not doing it, makes no sense to me
--- we need a kovalev
Kovalev [ka-va-leov]: A player who makes you jump out of your seat with a wicked deke or a sick shot and makes you say: "Did you see that!!"
True enough...but you do have to ask yourself why so very many Habs free agents have been allowed to walk away with no return.
The only guy dealt by Gainey over the last two years was probably the one guy he shouldn't have dealt: Cristobal Huet. Price probably didn't need the extra pressure that trade brought down on his head, and Huet's personality seemed to be a glue in the dressing room.
Water under the bridge, though.
"Fininshing last for a few years is the only way to reach the Cup"
Detroit.... Anaheim...
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New Jersey... Carolina... Dallas...
You people have obviously not heard of the salary cap era. This is a new NHL and the old ways are no longer workable.
Looks like you have a memory of about 3 months. Detroit has been in the last 2 Stanley Cup finals, and won one. Without ever tanking. Anaheim won before that, without tanking.
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didn't the hurricanes win the year after the lockout and a tanking team like tampa bay havent done anything since?
--- we need a kovalev
Kovalev [ka-va-leov]: A player who makes you jump out of your seat with a wicked deke or a sick shot and makes you say: "Did you see that!!"
The same time last year, we (or some of us) were saying 'except Price and Markov, everybody is tradable'.
Right now, who is the exception??
For Kovalchuk - all things being equal, trade ANYBODY. But his contract expires at the end of the season, so that makes it very risky. We sure do need that big scoring winger though.
How about:
Andrei and Sergei, Hal Gill and next years 1st rounder!
--------------------------------------------------- `Could this team miss the playoffs? Who knows?' - Bob Gainey on the new Habs.
Done
mjames
Yes well let's be reasonable - why do you assume he would sign here? What if he didn't get Gomez? What if Cammy and Gionta went elsewhere without one of their apparent reasons for signing? Then what if Kovalchuk didn't sign? The habs would be left with nothing.
Say what you will about BG, but he did what he could with the resources he had. Getting Gomez attracted 2 very good UFAs. I'd say that's a success. Say what you want about the cap, but THREE good players is better than one.
Gionta clearly said Gomez had nothing to do with him coming here so that's wrong.
And while Cami said it meant something to him he's also on record as wanting to come east and not wanting to play in Toronto. So he had his sites on Montreal (at least in the mix) already.
I agree the Gomez contract was stupid. Stupider is that Bob overpaid. The Rangers were desperate to shake him loose. And look at them now - with Gaborik. And then look at us.
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Don't kid yourself SD...you're smarter than that. Gionta didn't want to say Gomez was part of the reason cause it takes away from the "I love Montreal...who wouldn't want to play here" answer.
I'm POSITIVE Gomez being here had something to do with why Gionta and Cammalleri signed here.
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
As you are know to ask. Proof please?????
mjames
Not sure if my assumption about Gionta signing because of Gomez, given their history, quite compares with your assumption that Jacques Martin hates Russians.
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
Especially since Cammy SAID IT, while Gionta and Gomez are a known duo. They had a chance to be re-united. I wouldn't doubt that Gionta might have signed with New York had the trade not gone down. You are welcome to disagree, but we'll never know (and I prefer it that way - I like Gionta even if he requires Gomez)
Unless there's interest in the brothers K, a lifetime supply of poutine, and a bunch of free passes to Wandas, you're right, we're SOL.
--------------------------------------------------- `Could this team miss the playoffs? Who knows?' - Bob Gainey on the new Habs.
Interesting comments from Rene Fasel, president of the IIHF, about Gary Bettman's stance on NHL participation in Winter Olympics not hosted in North America.
Have to say, I agree with him 100%. The NHL is just so unbelievably pig-headed when it comes to its treatment of its European partners: they steal their best talent away for little or no compensation and then try and throw monkey wrenches into international tournaments (the Olympics, world championships) that help sustain and grow the internation fan base of ice hockey.
I suppose I could live with Bettman's musings a little easier if he hadn't shown time and time again that he and his cronies are completely and utterly inept when it comes to developing the fan base for hockey in general and the National Hockey League in particular.
The way Bettman said that the olympics being outside North America does nothing good for the leauge bothers me. Why the hell are we playing NHL games in Europe then Gary? let the players play!!! If Bettman doesn't allow russians t play in the olympics in 2014, we're going to see mass defections to the KHL.
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Gary meant it does little for putting butts in the seats in NHL cities. Sochi is 8 or 9 hours ahead of Eastern time and the hockey games will be on too late for most people in north america to watch.
Elmer Lach's #16 jersey should be raised to the rafters.
If any so called "Habs Fan" start of the very first game and boo their team and then begin to cheer for Kovalev or Tucker, they are not true fans and they can't argue otherwise. A true fan sticks with his team during the lows as well as the highs. It's fine for everyone to jump on the Habs bandwagon when things go well, but have a gut check when things go bad. It's not like the players want that to happen.
Another thing I don't understand is what's up with this chant of Carbo,Carbo. If I remember correctly there was a huge consenus to have Carbo fired last season because he couldn't coach. What has happened to change the mindset of the fans now. Was it a French thing or what. If Carbo was such a good coach, why isn't he coaching now or even an assistant somewhere. The reason is because everyone else in the league also thinks he can't coach.
A true fan sticks with his team during the lows as well as the highs.
when has there been a "HIGH"?
I guess if you're 12, 1993 seems reallt far away. In the real world of the NHL, very few teams win it much more frequently than that.
Go Habs Go!! "I can't hear what Jeremy (Roenick) is saying because my Stanley Cup rings are in my ears" - Patrick Roy
If you want to play the averages with a 30 team league, then by all rights we shouldn't win another for 14 years or so.
Whoa Slapshot - we're Habs fans, not Masters of Logic.