posted by Kevin Mio at 16h25 EST on Jan 12


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The Canadiens are in the middle of a four-day break before starting a stretch that sees them play four games in six nights starting Thursday against the Dallas Stars. Montreal has won 6 of its last 10 games, many of those thanks to Jaroslav Halak. And just as the team was getting healthy, the Kostitsyn brothers have both been shelved with injuries, dealing a blow to the team’s offence.

Gazette sports writers Pat Hickey and Dave Stubbs, as well as columnist Mike Boone and Kevin Mio discuss the goaltending situation, the play of Andrei Markov since his return from a serious leg injury, the injuries to the Kostitsyn brothers and how well Guillaume Latendresse and Benoit Pouliot have played with their new teams.

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Here's another one: http://www.habsradio.com/2010/01/25/well-take-hyde-please/

We just keep pumpin them out! ;)

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New Habs Radio Podcast up:  http://www.habsradio.com/2010/01/19/ok-guys-quit-playing-around-now/

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Les Habitants's picture

crosby/ovechkin to mtl for bgl


linp's picture

Talking about trade with Edmonton, I wouldn't mind Halak + 2nd round for their 2010 first round.


24 Cups's picture

linp - Edmonton is already out of the playoff picture.  There is a very good chance that their 1st pick this year might be Taylor Hall.   No chance they would even think about that deal.  In fact if I'm Edmonton, I'd be a seller at the deadline and finally get a player that they can build a team around.  They haven't had one since they won their last Cup.


Bugs's picture

A num1 goalie would be a good place to start, no?

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24 Cups's picture

Bugs - You would trade Taylor Hall for Halak? 


Nahlsy's picture

If I was Montreal I would. Edmonton, not so much.


Bugs's picture

Trade a potential great forward who's shown nothing in the NHL for a goalie who's shown he can be a num1 in the NHL?

I'd certainly think about it.

A num1 goalie drafted 1st overall isn't unheard of as the Pens can testify. Would it now be your position that Fleury has a talent that Halak could never equal? Because if he can, than one pick or another makes no difference except for roster appointment. Oilers need a goalie more than a forward in the foresseable future, no?

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Chris's picture

I'd think about it as well.  But what's the harder commodity to find:  a goal-scoring forward or a top-20 goaltender?  My vote is the forward.


SeriousFan09's picture

I'd trade Price, Markov and Cammalleri for Halak myself...


Edit: Sorry, I was experimenting with the "Generate a Trade" Engine, it was put together with the combined expertise of Eklund and Milbury.

 

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Wow,that's funny.Not.  Fail


pic1983's picture

For sure, but edmonton has khabibulin signed for 4 years (!!!!) and seeing as hes over 35, that salary doesnt come off the books retirement or not.  Can you imagine the kind of raise they would have to give halak if he seized the number one job from khabibulin?  They would have a huge chunk of their cap erroded in two goalies.

If we were to trade halak to edmonton, curious what youre expecting in return bugs?

I think, realistically were looking at like one of their underachieving young players (like an andrew cogliano) and maybe 2nd rounder.  Dont know if i would make that deal.

 

and I thought the habs had problems...were looking great compared to edmonton!


Bugs's picture

I have no idea.

I want Penner. I want Eberle. I want Svensson-Parjaavi (only because his name sounds super cool). What else? Feh. I dunno.

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Bugs's picture

Interesting...

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RiverviewCanadien's picture

Khabibulin to have surgery

Maybe there is more to the rumor afterall? Maybe they want a YOUNG goalie?


Georges Laraque’s demise as an NHL enforcer -> http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/?p=9403


HabsoluteFan's picture

Guys, when AK46 comes back, what would be your combinations for the top 2 lines ?

Would you keep them as they were before Andrei got injured : MC13-TP14-AK46 and BP57-SG91-BG21

Or do you think the team could benifit of having MC13-SG91-BG21 carrying the offensive load and having a line of BP57-TP14-AK46 supporting them ?  I remember our 3 summer acquisitions giving the other team quite a hard time when they played together earlier in the season.  Are they too small of a line to carry this team in the 2nd half of the season ? I beleive it would have the same effect of putting saku, kovy and tanguay together at the end of the season.  The message is we spent good money on you guys and we need you to produce and be key players for this team.  I think those 3 would enjoy that role and the spotlight. 

Now does it downplay the excellent performance of TP14 this season ? Not really, as I think his new line could be as dynamite without Cammy.  BP57 has great skills, can score and most importantly plays a sound defensive game (wich cammy sometimes seems to lack).  Pleks now finds himself with 2 big wingers who can fly and give him more room. 

Just and idea...would be nice to have 2 HEALTHY scoring lines providing some scoring somewhere down the road this season.

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SeriousFan09's picture

I like the play of AK46/Pleks/Cammy a lot and that of Pouliot/Gio/Gomez, AK gives them a physical weapon to employ with his checking power that the Gio/Gomez/Cammy line couldn't deliver, while Pouliot gives a nice size boost to the Gomez/Gionta line, it gives a physical edge to lines with smaller players that they could use.

 

 

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Chris's picture

In honour of Smart Dog, here's my 5 Questions based on decisions Bob Gainey has to make this summer with tight salary cap restrictions.

The context:  Montreal currently has the following guys to re-sign or replace this summer (current cap hits in brackets):

  • RFA - Pouliot ($583 k), S. Kostitsyn ($592 k), D'Agostini ($500 k), Price ($2.2 M)
  • Arbitration Eligible RFA - Lapierre ($688 k), Halak ($775 k)
  • UFA - Mara ($1.675 M), Bergeron ($750 k), Metropolit ($1 M), Plekanec ($2.75 M)

With about $45 million already committed, the Habs have approximately $10-11 M to re-sign the above guys or their replacements.  When doing this, keep in mind that the following summer, Andrei Markov, Roman Hamrlik and Andrei Kostitsyn are due to be re-signed or replaced.

Questions:

1 - Considering that there is almost certainly no cap space to re-sign them with, do you try and trade Metropolit and Mara at the trade deadline for picks or young roster players?

2 - Arbitration eligible, Lapierre will have leverage to negotiate a pretty significant raise.  Do you trade him at the deadline, or risk having to commit a bigger salary to him?  (Recall that Plekanec secured a hefty raise as an arbitration eligble RFA after a brutal season this past summer.)

3 -  Would you trade Roman Hamrlik or Jaroslav Spacek at the deadline for assets to free up cap space, knowing that such a trade would likely dampen the team's playoff aspirations?

4 - How high a cap hit would you be willing to give Tomas Plekanec?  If he and his agent don't seem willing to consider that contract offer by the deadline, do you trade Tomas Plekanec for assets rather than risk losing him as a UFA?

5 - Are you comfortable with one or two of P.K. Subban, Mathieu Carle or Yannick Weber playing top-4 minutes for the Habs next season if one or both of Hamrlik and Spacek are traded?


HabFanSince72's picture

1. No one will give you anything for Mara, and  probably not much for Metro.

2. Lappy can go to arbitration. His numbers are considerably worse than Pleks were.

3. Yes, but who would take Spacek?

4. $4.5M

5. Absolutely. We need to rebuild this team from the ground up. Let the young ones play.


jmsheehy19's picture

1) Mara definitely and Metro possibly. I love both of them, but there is definitely no room for Mara and assuming we keep Laps, I feel it might be time to bring up Maxwell or one of the other kids.

2) Similar to my first answer. Decide between Laps or Metro, and trade the other. But I can't see Laps getting more than about 1 million per.

3) I would trade both of them if possible simply for cap space. Once again I'm a fan of both, but with Gomez, Gionta, and Cammy already on the books for big money, and Markov and Pleks and at least one goalie in line for considerable raises, we need to make room somehow.

4) 5 million per 2 or 3 seasons seems like a fair value. He will probably end the season as our points leader, so it's difficult to give him less. This way he gets a large pay increase and still has a chance to make bank at 29 or 30.

5) Yes, another reason I'm more than willing to trade Hammer, Spacek, and Mara. I think PK can fit in top 4 minutes next year, and I think Belle and Carle can both play bottom pairing minutes. If our D pairings next year ended up Markov-Subban, Gill-Carle, Belle-Gorges, I agree we probably wouldn't be competing for the cup, but I really think with a year of experience that could be a good D corps.


1:I'd keep metro as a 4th line ctr with 4th line pay. I'd trade mara at deadline,evn for a late rd pick. need to see what belle or carle can or can't do.

2:If we keep metro,I'd trade/release Laps.Poster boy of what's wrong with this team

3:Spacek is untradeable this year with his contract.Hammr has been our best d-man.see what the return would be.i would for a rivet type return

4:Very tough one. $4yr/16m,offer now,if he doesn't take it,trade and let the rebuild begin

5:No top 4 minutes for any of those rookies next year. Absolutely not.

 


24 Cups's picture

1.  Depends on where we are in the standings but I don't have a problem with it.  Neither guy is part of a future run at a Cup.  Although I would love to bring Metro back for a slight raise.

2.  If we trade Metro and Pleks walks, who the hell is going to play centre for us?  I don't think that Laps will get a ton on money in arbitration.  He'll also bounce back next year (or later this year).  As well, what is Martin doing to help bring this guy around?

3.  Spacek is close to untradeable seeing that he has two years left on his contract of 3.8M and can't be cut or bought out.  Not many teams will be willing to take on Hamrlik's 5.5M for next year.  You don't trade players/contracts like this - you basically just dump them.

4.  $5M.  If he won't sign, then you have to trade him (just ask Martin about Bouwmeester).  I expect Pleks to slip a bit in the 2nd half and after the Olympics so that might lower his value slightly.

5.  None of those guys will be able to play top-4 minutes next year.  And you sure as hell can't start the year with all three of them on the D next year unless you are totally into a rebuild mode.  Subban should be here for sure and hopefully either Weber or Carle will catch on as a 6th or 7th guy.  None of them bring size or shutdown ability.  You always need to keep a balance  between the two contrasting skill sets on the blueline.


Chris's picture

I'll answer them myself, too...

1 -  I'd keep them both unless somebody knocked my socks off (high 2nd round pick would be my limit there).

2 - I don't know what to do here...unlike many of you, I think that Lapierre will get a significant raise and I'm not convinced that his career potential is all that hot.  But he is a center and the Habs are short there, so I'll grudgingly keep him and hope for a sane arbitrator if it gets that far.

3 - Honestly, I would trade both of them if the right deals were offered.  The Habs need prospects at forward and they need cap relief.  I love Hamrlik, so if I had to choose one to keep my heart would say him.  But his contract is the bigger anchor, so my head says that he would be the one to go, with Spacek moving to his natural left-side to fill the void and mentor one of Carle or Subban for the next couple of years.

4 - Anything above $4.5-4.75 M, and I'm trading him.  He's bring in a very healthy return from a contending team, and he and Gomez provide the same skillset.  Take the money and try and find a more complimentary center to play behind/in front of Gomez, who is not going anywhere.

5 - Not really, but I think this team has to start re-building, which means a couple of rough years.  The cap situation prevents the Habs from re-stocking via free agency, and they don't really have prospects that I think will make enough of an impact for the team to improve next year.  If you aren't improving, you should be building...so give them some ice time and let's find out what we've got.  Subban is not Doughty, so that comparison isn't really fair to him.  Doughty was a much more solid all-around player than Subban at every level (OHL, international play).


SmartDog's picture

I agree with most of this but I think Spacek is better than everyone else seems to.  I love Hamrlik too... but his cap hit is high, and I think Spacek would be more consistant if moved to his natural side. 

When you say that Pleks and Gomer have the same skillset, I disagree. I think Pleks is better not just becuase he's a head of Gomez in points or because he's younger and going up whereas Gomez is going down, but also because Pleks makes the people around him better. For this reason I would keep Pleks even at a high cost and move heave and earth to get rid of Gomer if I had to.

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Chris's picture

Gomez is not going anywhere, so Pleks is the odd man out.  I'm not completely convinced that Plekanec makes the players around him better...if he does it this year, that is realistically the first time in his career he has done it with any consistency.  Plekanec plays well with elite-level talent.  His two best years came with Alex Kovalev (a 2nd-team all star) and Andrei Kostitsyn or Andrei Kostitsyn and Mike Cammalleri, a point-per-game player over the past three years, as his wingers.  Not exactly guys that needed Plekanec to flourish.

I like Spacek, and would be okay with him staying and Hamrlik leaving.  But one thing that people sometimes overlook is that we have no other players on our roster who know better than Roman Hamrlik what it is like to deal with heightened expectations.  Hamrlik came into the NHL as a 1st overall pick...the pressures and burdens he faced and how he thrived through it make him an excellent mentor for our young defenceman coming through the system.  He also has an established track record of mentoring young defencemen, as he is often credited with helping Dion Phaneuf's rapid rise in the NHL.


24 Cups's picture

"but I think this team has to start re-building, which means a couple of rough years."

Chris - If that's true, then you clean house of any player that you honestly feel won't be part of a Cup run five years from now when your rebuilt team is ready to seriously challenge. No more band-aids, Hail Marys, or wornout saviours.  Even Markov might have to go if the return was good enough.


Chris's picture

You can't clean the house entirely.  You need veteran players to mentor the younger guys...otherwise you end up in a permanent state of re-building, like the Islanders, Thrashers or Panthers.

But I share the core of your sentiment...I've said it a few times, but I can't for the life of me figure out what this team is supposed to be.

They have too many holes to be a contender, but don't have the cap flexibility anymore nor impact prospects to climb to that status anytime soon.

They have too many high-priced veterans signed to long-term deals for them to be truly considered to be re-building.

The current Montreal Canadiens roster is too good to be a lottery team, but too weak to be a contender.  Just like pretty much every other season in the past 15 years.


24 Cups's picture

I'm just starting to preview Dallas and they are basically in the same boat as us.  They fit your description exactly. Not good enough but not lousy enough.


Habsrule1's picture

I still say we're on the right track. If the younger players (Laps, D'Ags, MaxPac, and SK) had progressed (some argue that's the team's fault-might just be the players), this team would be in pretty good shape.

If we believe these guys can get better, and PK & Carle are on the brink of the NHL, there's no reason not to be optimistic if you add in a couple decent trades to free up some cap space.

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seems like we agree that our biggest problem,aside from injuries and we're pretty healthy now,is the lack of development from those 4,and Lats when he was here. Those 4 have 8 combined goals.not good enough. We all hope and expected them to be a big part of this team,but their point production has been awful along with Pyatt,white,Stewart and any other callups

Chris's picture

You highlight my concern...none of the guys you mention is a sure-fire impact player.  We are hoping that they are more than they have appeared thus far, both in their junior careers and their short professional careers.

Lapierre is a defensive forward...can we really expect much progression over his "great" season last year?  Or is it reasonable to say that such a season would be a reasonable level for him?

D'Agostini is a late round draft pick that, with the exception of a hot start last year in the AHL, has never torn up any level he has played at.  Last year, he was projecting out to about 15 goals...based on his career stats, 15-20 goals would be a pretty reasonable target for him.

Sergei certainly has some room to improve, as he showed the most offensive promise.  But he is a playmaker on a team that is already set for playmakers in its top-6...where is he going to play?

Pacioretty still has significant upside, but so did Chris Higgins.  Thus far, Pacioretty has shown a similar hustle and willingness to compete and battle that we saw out of Higgins in his career, but we've also seen that his hockey IQ is not as good as we had hoped.  I think a lot of people are hoping he becomes a 25-30 goal scoring power forward, but perhaps a more reasonable target would be a 15-20 goal scoring power forward a la Taylor Pyatt.


Timo's picture

Mara can go. His minus gazillion won't be missed.

I am sorry Chris, but what leverage does Lapierre have? He sucked this year, very very badly sucked. His only leverage is his mother tongue, that's about it.

I don't care much for either Hammer or Spacek. They both can go if they want. It's not like they are making out team into a contender so if their departure opens the door to signing somebody with size, wheels and grit, I am all for it.

To me Plecks is no more than a 4 mil/year player. If he wants more, well... we already have Gomez.

Nope, but like I said above, whether we are losing by 1 goal or by 3 we are still losing, so it won't make much of a difference.


SmartDog's picture

"His only leverage is his mother tongue"

LOL

That's what SHE said.

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Chris's picture

Arbitaration is not about how you played...it is about how much comparable NHL players are paid.  And in that regard, he has leverage with an arbitrator.

I don't think any of you expected to see Plekanec get a raise from $1.8 M to $2.75 M after his dreadful season last summer, either.  But arbitrators scare the heck out of GMs, so they often give the player more money than you might have expected just to avoid the process, where they could lose even bigger.


SmartDog's picture

I've been reading the replies and a couple of things jump out...

1. PLEKS - in my mind anyone who thinks we can sign Pleks for anythign under 4.75 is dreaming (Harani, shame on you!).. and I think closer to 6 is likely (and likely worth it).  How could you suggest we pay Pleks LESS THAN Gionta, Gomez, and Cammalleri????

2 BUILDING - a lot of posters are suggesting we go for trades if it can help us build.  We are NOT ready for a real run this year... BOB!!! Are you listening!!  We are NOT ready!  Sacrifice today for a better tomorrow and we will understannd! Sacrifice tomorrow for a better today and we will be pissed!

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Habsrule1's picture

Easy answer, Smartdog. They've all had more than one great season. I would let Pleks walk before giving him more than $5M per season. You sign him for more and next year he has a season like last year....then what?

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SeriousFan09's picture

1. Given the constraints of the cap and keeping on the young talent for the future move them for youth or picks if possible seems like not a bad idea, but if at all possible, keep on Metropolit.

2. Depends on his play up to the deadline, he seems to have rediscovered his old form of late and we do need some young centres to stay on and he's much farther along than White, Maxwell or Pyatt. I'd say keep him.

3. If it delivers an asset that can put us in a better playoff position next year, move one of them, preferably Spacek, Hamrlik's the better half of that pair without a doubt.

4. No more than 4.25 a season, he's significantly improved over last year but can he maintain it for 5 years straight? A lovely idea but one that can't be proven without a time machine.

5. Subban definitely, I've not seen enough of Carle or Weber to say they look like they belong with the Habs yet, but Subban's AHL numbers are quite impressive and he seems the most NHL-ready of the group.

 

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avatar_58's picture

Markov better be considered. If he loads our capspace for the next 3+ years and forgets Markov is going to be a UFA this team is doomed.


SLONCOLD's picture

1. yes

2.don't trade just yet unless u get something equal in return

3. yes

4. u have to trade him if you can't sign him. 5.5 would be the cap hit i would live with.

5. i like both weber and subban.


adesbarats's picture

1. Find a way to keep Metro, trade Mara.

2. Trade at deadline

3. Trade Spacek and bring up Carle

4. 5 mil

5. Yes, I think Carle is ready.


Harani's picture

1. I want to keep Metro. Especially because he plays really well with Moen and MaxPac. Mara, Eklund says he might be traded so he's not going nowhere.

2. On Lappy, I'm indifferent. There are many guys like who play like. I even think Ben Maxwell can be our fourth ine centre or Tommy Pyatt. Lapierre is expandable to the team according to me.

3. Specially someone is willing, Hammr. Because he has another year on his contract with a hit of 5.5mil. Spaceman, I don't know what to say.

4. I would be willing to go upto a maximum of 4.25 with a 3-4 year deal.

5. It has to start somewhere, so I don't mind. They'll make mistakes but that part of their learning curve. Similar to someone like Drew Doughty who's had the chacne to play top minutes and developped through TOI.


SLONCOLD's picture

7.3 gomez

6 camy

5 gionta

 

if plekz has more point than all of them how to you justify 4.25?


SmartDog's picture
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SmartDog's picture

Hey Chris - I've had my head down all day and JUST happened to log on.   GREAT five questions... no-one could pick up that ball any better. 

1. TRADE THEM!  I love Metro (not Mara) but you're right, there's no space so for crazy sakes, get something for these guys.

2. Laps is a big question... I can't see him being in a very strong position with such a bad performance this year.  Keep him if you think he'll come at a bargain, if not punt.

3. Trade either or both ONLY if the return was strong.

4. I'd go 6 million because I think we need to. Otherwise you not only lose an awesome player - the best forward to come out of the Habs organization in a decade, but you send the message that home grown players can't make the bucks that imports can. ... all very bad.

5. YES. I don't know who... but on D I think we've got the pot cooking and it's almost suppertime.

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twocents's picture

1. Not worth the savings, considering the disruption to team harmony to go shopping them. If a team comes knocking and a decent pick is offered, sure, but not just for the sake of saying they didn't get away for nothing.

2. At the rate he's going he'd be lucky to have an arbitrator award much more than 1.0. Keep him, but try to avoid arbitration with a two year offer averaging .9- 1.0.

3. If Subban is as ready as his stats indicate, yes. Especially if you can you can another GM's nuts in a vice.

4. I'd be willing to go 5 million. But, 4.5 should do it on a shorter term, say 2-3 years. Leaving him capable of testing the waters while still in his prime.

5. Yes, In Subban's case that's what I think would be ideal for him. Carle should be integrated on the third pair eventually and likely so should Weber with extra PP time. 


andrewberkshire's picture

Good questions Chris.

1 - Mara yes, Metro no. I think Metro wants to play for this team more than we know, and he'll take the same salary he's earning now to stay.

2 - I don't think Lapierre has much leverage, even with arbitration. I doubt he could get more than a million in salary at this point so I'm willing to take that gamble. He's more valuable in the long run than he'll fetch in a trade.

3 - I would heavily consider it based on where we are. Hamrlik would both fetch more on the market as well as free up more cap space for signing players in the summer so it would be highly probably if I was GM that he would be traded, despite his stellar play. It could always be done at the draft as well, although you would get less back.

4 - Ideally 4.5 million per year over 5 or 6 years. I don't know if Plekanec will accept that however. If Hammer was moved I'd consider going a bit higher

5 - Carle I think might be ready for top 4 minutes next season, but I don't think he'd be forced into them if only one of Spacek and Hamrlik are traded. Ideally O'Byrne would continue to progress and our top 4 would be Markov, Spacek, Gorges and O'Byrne. I wouldn't be comfortable giving Weber or Subban top 4 minutes this early.

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I know it's not that big of a deal, but I think it's very good that Ryan O'Byrne went and did that, because from the sounds of it he spent the last 10 days or so in a hospital in BC and knowing what that's like  doubt he wanted to go back. But he did, and was all smiles for those kids. Just excellent.

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sholi2000.com's picture

It's the one thing players should do more of, and I mean all players.

They call me Shane


crabvader's picture

Eklund seems convinced a deal is "all but finalized" between the Oil and the Habs.

Personally, the only guy(s) I want on that team are: Dustin Penner (who they probably won't give up), Lubomir Visnovsky or Ladislav Smid. [Grebeshkov would be nice too]

If we did trade with them, however, I'm willing to bet Andrew Cogliano will be part of the deal.


Will Longlade's picture

According to Eklund the deal is linked to "a definitive, and highly likely circumstance occuring." Seems like that circumstance may have already occured. It was announced today that Khabibulin (sp?) will have surgery for a herniated disc and is out indefinitely. I've always though the Oilers and Habs would make good trading partners. Maybe there is some credence to Eklund's blabberings this time around.

 


crabvader's picture

Once, every blue moon... :P


sholi2000.com's picture

The Oil would be fools to do anything to improve their team right now.

Eklund is a tool and every time you click his site he makes money off you.....JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS 

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crabvader's picture

As long as it's not coming out of my pockets.

Sure, tank, get good players. I hope you don't mind making NO money on ticket sales for a whole year.


sholi2000.com's picture

Check out their attendence, they're fine.

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SeriousFan09's picture

Eklund seems convinced of a lot of things and the Oilers player chart is bereft of anything we could take on really, we can't spare top forwards or decent D-Men to trade for the same.

Though if we can rip Eberle off of them, I won't complain.

 

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crabvader's picture

You want another short-stack? I'm not convinced about his defensive game. Besides, we don't have Eberle but Subban is almost the same type of D-man...only better defensively now.

Oilers have loads of players we, or any other team, could use. Like I said, Dustin Penner, Lubomir Visnovsky or Ladislav Smid. Grebeshkov is also solid.

Also, I wouldn't mind getting a guy like Zach Stortini or J-F Jacques as bonuses.

That team is in a tail-spin because they thought Pat Quinn was the answer and MacTavish ruined them.

[Edit] Sorry, I kind of digressed from your point. We could take on some young d-men like Smid or Grebeshkov in exchange for guys like Hamrlik or Mara.

I'd say Halak and Sergei are Edmonton's targets.


SeriousFan09's picture

Eberle's a forward btw and I just like his clutch ablity, he always comes up big when he's needed to do so and that can't be dismissed for me. Not big no, but he seems to have that will to compete and give it all for his team.

Subban is part of the team's blue-line future no doubt, I love his AHL stats and next year he could be suiting up full-time with the Habs. Penner seems a good piece but he seems unattainable since he's their one big scoring star, Visnovsky and Smid seem like good defencemen but swapping Hamrlik would slam them with cap troubles I believe and Edmonton's right up against it much like Montreal is. Taking their youth for our veterans doesn't seem like a bad concept, but their GM while not brilliant, might not get so easily taken in such a deal.

 

 

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Eberle is a forward.

Are you thinking of Ryan Ellis?


crabvader's picture

Ugh, yeah. I confuse those two's names a lot. My fault.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=305925

This story might have Edmonton in panic mode for a tender, though.


SeriousFan09's picture

I thought the Bulin contract was going to be a problem for Edmonton down the line but back surgery at his age and so soon into the contract? This has disaster written all over it.

 

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ParrySoundHabber's picture

regarding the Burrows vs Auger saga: wasn't Burrows the clown who beat up a goalie with his stick in a Quebec summertime beer league game resulting in criminal charges being laid?  He's a bum and that doesn't mean I'm taking sides on the issue. enuff said.

 

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"enuff said" and all of its similar pronunciations and spellings are trademarked.

nuff sed

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Harani's picture

Since many of you don't like the sound of "Spatch", come up with nicknames for Jaroslav Spacek and we'll decide on one.


Flabadagub's picture

Anything Space. Spacer (my personal fav), Spaceman, Spacehead, Spacecheck.....


kempie's picture

We call him Space Kay


Xtrahabsfan's picture

Yep"Spatch" don't cut it..."Retirecek"


Bugs's picture

Spatch sounds like something you mortar a straw hut with, and that doesn't make any kinda sense, you will agree.

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It sounds like some sort of growth you might get having athlete's foot.

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Bugs's picture

It sounds like something a slug lives under.

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ParrySoundHabber's picture

I've been calling him Montreals new 'Spaceman' since the moment he signed.

 

“Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” Jean Beliveau


Bugs's picture

Hey! I'VE been callin'm Spaceman. No copying without authorization!

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ParrySoundHabber's picture

haha...I'm willing to share...even though you borrowed my idea back in July lol

 

“Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” Jean Beliveau


"Whiff"


SeriousFan09's picture

Matt Bradley of the Washington Capitals will avoid supplementary discipline after jumping into a fight that nearly started betyeen his teammate Alexander Ovechkin and Tampa Bay's pest, Steve Downie. Ovechkin had dropped the gloves and removed his helmet when Bradley, who just managed to avoid the jumping the bench rule violation to put himself between the two players, he jumped in to prevent the Franchise from involving himself in a brawl and had the fight himself.

I know Ovechkin's been criticized for his behaviour in the past and his refusal to fight but really, Bradley did the right thing in my opinion, better he has the fight than Ovechkin.

 

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Harani's picture

I actually thought that was appropriate to. There is n reason for Ovie to be fighting a guy like Steve Downie. And I've people say that he can't fight or he's too scared, I think otherwise. If he were to fight, I think he can pound anyone. That being said, in a 7-4 game in the third period is unnecessary and uncalled for.


Harani's picture

Hey guys! I left practice a little earlier coz it was more crowded than FutureShop on Boxing Day. I swear. And I was 5 minutes early. People were there, coffee cup in hand. I stood there and watched and then my craving for coffee took over and I can't stand Van Houtte and it was way too overpriced. Long story short, I got the info I wanted and left.

  • First, I think JM woke up on the right side of the bed. The D-pairings make soooo much sense. Check it out for yourself.
  • MARKOV - HAMMR
  • SPATCH - MARA
  • GILL - GORGES - O'BYRNE 
  • Cammi and Pleky talk a lot to each other and figure things out. They tried to include D'Ags. But I'm telling, even in practice, he's useless!!
  • BGL looked so much faster maybe I was hallucinating.
  • Price made some good saves when they were practicing 2-on-1 and 3-on-1s. (I don't know for Halak coz he was at the other end.
  • Anothing good news: 3Ms stay together!!! Even in practice, a lot of energy and they hit and grind it out. It was exciting to see. I took a few shots of the general arena but couldn't get a good view cos there were to many ppl. Will post later when I get it out of the cam.
  • On a side note, when I was leaving at 11:30. there were already people lined up close to the players' garage to wait for autograph and the practice wasn't even over. And it's FREEZING! Montreal....*sigh* I honestly wouldn't wait for another 2 hours in the cold like this. There better things that you can sacrific for.

Thanks for that informative piece, keep 'em coming!

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Timo's picture

"BGL looked so much faster maybe I was hallucinating."... that's your coffee withdrawal talking.


Bugs's picture

The Hamr can't play on the right, what kinda sense does that make? Won't last 3 shifts in a game. If it does, can't wait to see it.

And please, anything but 'Spatch'. Sounds like a more virulent form of the clap. I know my 'Spaceman', is kinda feh so I'm sure we can all come up with something better by working together.

Yo.

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Chris's picture

Agreed...moving veteran defencemen that have played their entire careers on one side over to the other is a recipe for disappointment.  One need look no further than Spacek (what's wrong with using his name?).

Ugh.


Bugs's picture

His NAME?

You're no fun, Chris, you know that? No fun at all.

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I've been calling him Checker, Spatch sounds like something that might clog your toilet.

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Bugs's picture

It's the sound Spider-Man's webbing makes when it hits you in the face.

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Habsrule1's picture

That made me laugh, Bugs......

"Hey, Doc-Oc....you're in for it"..............!

"SPATCH!"

"From your friendly neighbourhood Spiderman""

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Natrous's picture

I think they used to call him 'Space-K' in Buffalo...


Chris's picture

Call me crazy.  I've always found it amusing when people type in nicknames that are the same length or even longer than the name they are intended to replace.  :)


I feel the same way, but when saying their nicknames, for example, yelling at each other on the rink, it may be spelt longer than the actual name, but linguistically(?), it is much easier to say and more noticable from a distance.

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